Re: [NTG-context] Why do \startlines and \crlf give different results in this example?
Am 12.03.2011 um 05:48 schrieb mathew:
% First request no space before
\setuplines[before=\nowhitespace,after=\nowhitespace]
% Now use startlines...
\framed[width=fit,align=right]{\startlines One
Two
Three\stoplines}
\framed
[width=fit,align=right,strut=no]
{\startlines[before=,after=]
One
Two
Three
\stoplines}
% ...then compare with \crlf.
\framed[width=fit,align=right]{One\crlf
Two\crlf
Three}
\framed
[width=fit,align=right]
{One\\Two\\Three}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Am not getting Roman numeral page numbers in MKIV
Dear Tom, Since I am an enduser of ConTeXt, I couldn't expalin what happens here. I just run your code in the mail and got the following results. 1. Front matter page numbers are not lower-case Roman numerals although they are listed as such in the TOC. The Roman numerals in both front part and in TOC. 2. The Introduction is not listed in the TOC. Same as your output. No 3. Page numbering isn't reset to 1 in the bodymatter section. Same as you, but if I change \startstructureblockenvironment[bodymatter] to \startstructureblockenvironment[bodypart], then Introduction starts from page 1. So I guess that there are something between [bodymatter] and [bodypart]. best regards, Dalyoung ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] change interwordspace twice
Am 11.03.2011 um 19:56 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Am 11.03.2011 um 12:36 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum: Hi, one time it works, the second it doesn't: \starttext \interwordspace 20.7pt Big Space \par \interwordspace 2.7pt Big Space \par \interwordspace 20.7pt Big Space \stoptext Does someone can explain how and when interwordspace is successfully set? That’s the only context way to change it: \starttext text text text \setuptolerance[space] text text text text \stoptext Is there only one space or s is possible to set more fine-tuned values? Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Portable Context
For a usb stick install, it would be nice if there were no
hard-coded paths anywhere. A texmfcnf.lua with content
return {
TEXMFCACHE = kpse.var_value('TEXMFSYSVAR')
}
appears to be read but ignored. Moreover, the fndb lua files under
luatex-cache/context/xxx/trees contain hard-coded paths.
Is there any way to avoid hard-coded paths?
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Re: [NTG-context] Portable Context
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Siep Kroonenberg si...@cybercomm.nl wrote:
For a usb stick install, it would be nice if there were no
hard-coded paths anywhere. A texmfcnf.lua with content
return {
TEXMFCACHE = kpse.var_value('TEXMFSYSVAR')
}
appears to be read but ignored. Moreover, the fndb lua files under
luatex-cache/context/xxx/trees contain hard-coded paths.
Is there any way to avoid hard-coded paths?
Isn't minimals path-aware ?
With setuptex I can put context wherever I want.
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Re: [NTG-context] Portable Context
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:44:49AM +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Siep Kroonenberg si...@cybercomm.nl wrote:
For a usb stick install, it would be nice if there were no
hard-coded paths anywhere. A texmfcnf.lua with content
return {
TEXMFCACHE = kpse.var_value('TEXMFSYSVAR')
}
appears to be read but ignored. Moreover, the fndb lua files under
luatex-cache/context/xxx/trees contain hard-coded paths.
Is there any way to avoid hard-coded paths?
Isn't minimals path-aware ?
With setuptex I can put context wherever I want.
This is in the context of TeX Live. But I'll have a look at how
minimals does it.
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Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:37:28 +0100
Jean Magnan de Bornier jm.born...@free.fr wrote:
Fair enough. Here:
.
\setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio]
\setuppublications[alternative=apa]
\starttext
{\bf Bibliography}
\nocite[hh2010a,hh2010b,Eijkhout1991]
\placepublications
\stoptext
Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or
\placepublications[criterium=text]?
biblio.bib is a file already known to some:
So it's sample.bib. It would have made helping easier if
you had said that.
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem
Le 12 mars à 11:09:55 Thomas Schmitz tschm...@uni-bonn.de écrit notamment:
| On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:37:28 +0100
| Jean Magnan de Bornier jm.born...@free.fr wrote:
| Fair enough. Here:
| .
| \setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio]
| \setuppublications[alternative=apa]
|
| \starttext
|
|
| {\bf Bibliography}
|
| \nocite[hh2010a,hh2010b,Eijkhout1991]
| \placepublications
| \stoptext
|
| Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or
| \placepublications[criterium=text]?
These are working, thanks.
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Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem
Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or \placepublications[criterium=text]? Hi Thomas, you gave me exactly the same hint last week. We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). In the beginning it was not clear to me, that http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the MKII implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest to rename Bibliography to Bibliography_mkii and create an alias Bibliography that redirects to Bibliography_mkiv instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that the page is related to mkii/mkiv only and link to the other page. Do you think this is reasonable? I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle files and add space for sharing reference styles of different journals. What do you think? In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? Best, Florian ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem
Hi Florian, On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:45:16 +0100 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or \placepublications[criterium=text]? Hi Thomas, you gave me exactly the same hint last week. Not only that, but someone gave exactly the same hint to Jean in December... We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. In the beginning it was not clear to me, that http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the MKII implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest to rename Bibliography to Bibliography_mkii and create an alias Bibliography that redirects to Bibliography_mkiv instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that the page is related to mkii/mkiv only and link to the other page. Do you think this is reasonable? I had begun rewriting the page. There is now http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliographies which links to the other pages, and which is linked to on the front page. But another context-related project kept me away from this and I never finished this, so fell free to shuffle and rewrite things! I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle files and add space for sharing reference styles of different journals. What do you think? Again, that's a very good idea, but we should maybe wait just a bit till the dust settles a bit. In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? Just my 2 cents on this: difficult, because you won't be able to make everybody happy. Every now and then, I see a new user on the list who asks about installing mkiv and doesn't realize that it is not really something which you have to install additionally. We shouldn't scare those users because in so many cases, mkii and mkiv are exactly identical, so that would be an arguments against a too stric separation. But of course you're also right that it's frustrating for users if they can't find relevant information for the areas where the two differ. As long as mkiv hasn't settled, this is not easy... All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] cals tables
Dear all,
First the good news: I have succeeded in typesetting a table!
I first changed all tag names from table, entry, row to cals:table,
cals:entry, cals:row, etc. Then the table is read in.
However, the table setup cannot be manipulated by means of the directives,
because - according to the log file - the directives inside the cdx-file are
not found (lxml: no directives found in 'x-cals-test.cdx').
Without the directives, the cals table are typeset according to a rough
standard (framed). I typeset them in a separate document (pdf), which I insert
as a pdf graphic (mediaobject) file in my main document. This works to some
extent for short tables, but not for tables that cover more than one page. This
procedure is also cumbersome, for some font specifications etc. have to be
transferred to the tex file, and if you change one file, you have to change the
other as wel. I am now thinking to typeset them with latex instead.
Since one of the main problems seems to be that the cdx file is loaded, but
that the directives are not found, I tried to solve this problem by putting the
directives in my docbook xml file, but that did not work either. (I also tried
a number of other things.)
Can anyone give me a straight minimal example of what to write in my
environment file or in my docbook file in order to typeset a text that contains
the adapted cals tables? Which xmlsetsetup do I need?
I have read Hans' brief explanation of the directives
(http://www.ntg.nl/maps/37/06.pdf), but well, I am not a programmer, I need a
more straightforward example in order to understand the logics.
Or is it too early for these wishes? Perhaps should we accept that, in spite of
everything, for the time being docbook files that contain cals tables simply
cannot be typeset with ConTeXt?
Regards,
Robert
P.S. I use a minimal installation on Mac OS X 10.6.
Op 11 mrt 2011, om 09:35 heeft R. Ermers het volgende geschreven:
Dear contexers,
I get the impression that cals tables need to be processed separately from
the main docbook file.
Instead of table and tbody, etc. the tags are changed into cals:table,
cals:tbody, etc.
I first tried to process the file x-cals-test.tex pointed to by Hans.
This file loads two other files
\starttext
\xmlloaddirectives{x-cals-test.cdx}
\xmlprocess{main}{x-cals-test.xml}{}
\stoptext
However, the file x-cals-test.xml is not valid.
Therefore I took one of the simple cals tables from within that file, making
sure it contains one of the cdx attributes (cdx=vertical) and saved it in
x-cals-test2.xml. My xml software says that the file is valid, and it opens
normally.
The file are processed now, but the table is not typeset.
Instead there is an error message printed in the pdf file: invalid xml file -
parsed text.
The log file says: lxml: no directives found in 'x-cals-test.cdx'
(more log information further)
It seems that the directives are not processed.
x-cals-test2.xml
Regards,
Robert
systems : begin file cals-test.tex at line 50
lxml: no directives found in 'x-cals-test.cdx'
systems : end file cals-test.tex at line 53
)
mkiv lua stats : used config file -
/prog2/context/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua
mkiv lua stats : used cache path -
/prog2/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b37116f3b39a5afbaa249111be7bfbba
mkiv lua stats : input load time - 0.008 seconds
mkiv lua stats : stored bytecode data - 261 modules, 56 tables, 317
chunks
mkiv lua stats : loaded tex modules- 1 requested, 1 found (*-cals), 0
missing
mkiv lua stats : cleaned up reserved nodes - 30 nodes, 9 lists of 411
mkiv lua stats : node memory usage - 18 glue_spec
mkiv lua stats : node list callback tasks - 6 unique task lists, 1 instances
(re)created, 397 calls
mkiv lua stats : used backend - pdf (backend for directly
generating pdf output)
mkiv lua stats : result saved in file - cals-test.pdf
mkiv lua stats : fonts load time - 0.197 seconds
mkiv lua stats : luatex banner - this is luatex, version
beta-0.65.0-2010121316
mkiv lua stats : control sequences - 29719 of 165536
mkiv lua stats : current memory usage - 41 MB (ctx: 42 MB)
Op 9 mrt 2011, om 14:30 heeft Hans Hagen het volgende geschreven:
On 8-3-2011 9:00, R. Ermers wrote:
Dear ConTeXers,
I still have not been able to find out how to proceed with my docbook xml
document, which contains a number of cals tables.
The cals module is loaded by means of \usemodule[cals].
How to proceed from here?
Any clue is appreciated!
x-cals-test.*
in the test suite
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[NTG-context] why this error?
Not so long ago no problems with typesetting.
OK in ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.05 11:37 MKIV fmt: 2011.2.5 int: english/english
Now in: ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.25 22:03 MKIV fmt: 2011.3.11 int:
english/english
an error:
(.././literature.tex
resolversmodules loaded: 'bib'
(/Users/hans/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/m-obsolete.tex
! Undefined control sequence.
system tex error on line 3 in file .././onderwijs.tex: Undefined
control sequence ...
1 % $Revision: 43 $ $Date: 2011-02-15 14:31:42 +0100 (di, 15 feb 2011) $
2 % Project file voor cryptografie onderwijsprodukties.
3
4 \startproject onderwijs
5
6 % environment setup for all products
7 \environment mainsetup % algemene macros
8 \environment literature % citation setup
9
10 % environment setup for specific products
11 \startlocalenvironment[college]
12 \writestring{THIS IS FOR THE PRESENTATIONS ONLY}
13 \enablemode[screen]
argument writestatus(\m!systems
,\!!bs skipping obsolete module\!!es )
\ctxcommand #1-\directlua \zerocount {commands.#1
}
l.3 ...estatus\m!systems{skipping obsolete module}
?
Process aborted
Who can tell where this comes from and how it can be repaired?
Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] change interwordspace twice
Am 12.03.2011 um 10:01 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
Am 11.03.2011 um 19:56 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Am 11.03.2011 um 12:36 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
Hi,
one time it works, the second it doesn't:
\starttext
\interwordspace 20.7pt Big Space
\par
\interwordspace 2.7pt Big Space
\par
\interwordspace 20.7pt Big Space
\stoptext
Does someone can explain how and when interwordspace is successfully set?
That’s the only context way to change it:
\starttext
text text text
\setuptolerance[space]
text text text text
\stoptext
Is there only one space or s is possible to set more fine-tuned values?
You can define your own space.
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal]
[smallspace]
{\spaceskip.2em plus.1em minus.05em\relax}
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal]
[mediumspace]
{\spaceskip.33em plus.25em minus.1em\relax}
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal]
[bigspace]
{\spaceskip.5em plus.25em minus.25em\relax}
\starttext \showframe[text]
\start \setuptolerance[smallspace] \input tufte \par \stop \blank
\start \setuptolerance[mediumspace] \input tufte \par \stop \blank
\start \setuptolerance[bigspace]\input tufte \par \stop \blank
% default:
\input tufte
\stoptext
Greeting
Andreas
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[NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? Especially answers from new users to the first three points would be helpful to answer the fifth point I guess. In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? Just my 2 cents on this: difficult, because you won't be able to make everybody happy. Every now and then, I see a new user on the list who asks about installing mkiv and doesn't realize that it is not really something which you have to install additionally. We shouldn't scare those users because in so many cases, mkii and mkiv are exactly identical, so that would be an arguments against a too stric separation. I understand the problem. Having said that, pages like Using Mark IV or Install Mark IV should be renamed to installing/using context. Maybe it would help to include a little box important things to know on the installation page and explain shortly that for historical reasons mkii and mkiv are distributed together and that the former is regarded deprecated. Maybe link to a new page: Differences between miiv/mkii and how both are invoked (context vs. texexec). Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name The ConTeXt MINIMAL distribution that kept me. The name minimal somehow suggested something incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would suggest leaving out minimal and advertise the superior instead. But of course you're also right that it's frustrating for users if they can't find relevant information for the areas where the two differ. As long as mkiv hasn't settled, this is not easy... In deed. I guess this has most relevance for people new to context, especially those who know latex already and are used to find help easily. We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. OK, fine. I'm curious what new feature this will bring to us! criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. In the beginning it was not clear to me, that http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the MKII implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest to rename Bibliography to Bibliography_mkii and create an alias Bibliography that redirects to Bibliography_mkiv instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that the page is related to mkii/mkiv only and link to the other page. Do you think this is reasonable? I had begun rewriting the page. There is now http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliographies which links to the other pages, and which is linked to on the front page. But another context-related project kept me away from this and I never finished this, so fell free to shuffle and rewrite things! I see. I was not aware of this page. I usually find information on the wiki by searching for: site:wiki.contextgarden.net placepublications. So if there are actually disambiguation pages for mkiv/mkii it makes sense to include mkiv/mkii on both pages (not just one). I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle files and add space for sharing reference styles of different journals. What do you think? Again, that's a very good idea, but we should maybe wait just a bit till the dust settles a bit. All right. Best, Florian ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] renderbuttons where?
\button{\symbol[StartRendering]} [StartRendering{#1}]\enspace
\button{\symbol[StopRendering]} [StopRendering{#1}]\enspace
\button{\symbol[PauseRendering]} [PauseRendering{#1}]\enspace
\button{\symbol[ResumeRendering]}[ResumeRendering{#1}]}}
The above statements used to produce buttons for start/stop playing, etc. Like:
inline: render.tiff
Now I don't get them anymore. Has something changed here?
inline: not-render.tiff
Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On 2011-03-12 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? Because the old manuals only mention mkii and many things have changed in mkiv and don't work in mkii. It is not easy for beginners to choose between mkii and mkiv. And many are not aware of the two different (and incompatible) versions and mix them up. 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? First: Users like to install software using the package management system. Installing software manually is considered evil. For software that is updated frequently usually ppa links are provided for the repository. Second: You mentioned it already. Users tend to install »maximals«, not minimals, they don't like rectricted versions if you can get the whole. ;) 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? Make it clear that the minimals are the standard way of using ConTeXt, not TeXlive when they want an up-to-date ConTeXt distribution. A clear advise for mkiv and contra mkii. mkiv is the way to go in the future. 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? I don't see a problem there (but still, maybe other people have). Searching the mailing list, the garden or google for context + pragma usually points to the right direction. 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? Provide examples using the described features, so they have a point to start from. This is solved in a good way in the pdf documents, not really on the wiki. I understand the problem. Having said that, pages like Using Mark IV or Install Mark IV should be renamed to installing/using context. ACK Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name The ConTeXt MINIMAL distribution that kept me. The name minimal somehow suggested something incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would suggest leaving out minimal and advertise the superior instead. Very true. But it's an established name, I don't believe that it's likely to be changed. Marco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] movies no longer recognized?
This used to work:
\defineoverlay[tannenberg][%
{\externalfigure[tannenberg.jpg][width=\overlaywidth,height=\overlayheight]}]
\hfill\framed[offset=0pt,strut=no,background={foreground,tannenberg}]
{\externalfigure[%
/Users/hans/Cryptografie/College-Movies/Tannenberg.mov]
[width=1.33\makeupheight,height=\makeupheight]
}\hfill\null
Now the second \externalfigure makes ConTeXt hang.
Because leaving out the .jpg suffix makes the first \externalfigure a hang, it
might be possible ConTeXt (no longer?) recognizes a .mov, but .mp4 suffers the
same.
How can I update this to a working version again?
Hans van der Meer
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[NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
Requesting a non-existing picture does not produce a warning message, but makes ConTeXt hang. An abort is the only thing that helps. It would however be nice if a missing file warning is given. A minimal example that shows me the hang: \starttext Hello a picture?\par \externalfigure[./Figuren/figure.xxx] \stoptext ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
On 12 mrt. 2011, at 14:23, Hans van der Meer h.vanderm...@uva.nl wrote: Requesting a non-existing picture does not produce a warning message, but makes ConTeXt hang. An abort is the only thing that helps. It would however be nice if a missing file warning is given. A minimal example that shows me the hang: That is not supposed to happen, I think. Normally, you would get a gray box in thr pdf to indicate that the figure was not found. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Am not getting Roman numeral page numbers in MKIV
Thank you for taking the time to look into this for me, Dalyoung. I changed bodymatter to bodypart in two places and got the same results as you did. Page numbering is reset to 1 for the Introduction. However, I still don't get Roman numerals in the front part and, as you also experienced, the TOC is not listed in the TOC. I am using Texlive 2010, which I downloaded on February 11, just two months ago yesterday. One would expect such basic functions to be rock solid in MKIV by now. What version are you using? I have avoided downloading Minimals for the reasons mentioned in the thread currently running on documentation plus that I don't want to be constantly downloading new versions because of serious bugs and having simple things that formerly worked to no longer work due to one of these bugs. I am not using advanced features by any means. This is very frustrating. BTW, where did you read to use front part instead of frontmatter? Tom Benjey 717-258-9733 voice 717-243-0074 fax blog: www.TomBenjey.com -Original Message- From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Jeong Dalyoung Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:35 AM To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Am not getting Roman numeral page numbers in MKIV Dear Tom, Since I am an enduser of ConTeXt, I couldn't expalin what happens here. I just run your code in the mail and got the following results. 1. Front matter page numbers are not lower-case Roman numerals although they are listed as such in the TOC. The Roman numerals in both front part and in TOC. 2. The Introduction is not listed in the TOC. Same as your output. No 3. Page numbering isn't reset to 1 in the bodymatter section. Same as you, but if I change \startstructureblockenvironment[bodymatter] to \startstructureblockenvironment[bodypart], then Introduction starts from page 1. So I guess that there are something between [bodymatter] and [bodypart]. best regards, Dalyoung ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] no mp4 recognized?
Doesn't ConTeXt recognize .mp4 as movie suffix? Hans van der Meer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Portable Context
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:53, Siep Kroonenberg wrote: Is there any way to avoid hard-coded paths? Isn't minimals path-aware ? With setuptex I can put context wherever I want. This is in the context of TeX Live. But I'll have a look at how minimals does it. This has been changed after the version of ConTeXt for TeX Live has been frozen. So you would probably have to take a recent enough version of ConTeXt (most probably even the version on tlcontrib is too old, but at least it should not be too difficult to take the most recent version just for testing). You can have a look at http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/misc/web2c/texmfcnf.lua, but you need a recent mtxrun for that. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
Hi, On my installation of ConTeXt, there is no hanging: maybe there is an issue with your intsllation? The output shows a grey rectangle with name : dummy file: figure state: unknown written on it. For your information, I tested your code on a Mac OS X 10.6.6 and the minimals (version 2011.02.25). Best regards: OK On 12 mars 2011, at 14:23, Hans van der Meer wrote: Requesting a non-existing picture does not produce a warning message, but makes ConTeXt hang. An abort is the only thing that helps. It would however be nice if a missing file warning is given. A minimal example that shows me the hang: \starttext Hello a picture?\par \externalfigure[./Figuren/figure.xxx] \stoptext ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
Well, here it does hang. I also have MacOSX 10.6.6 but then I have the minimals ver: 2011.02.05 11:37 MKIV fmt: 2011.2.5. The later version: ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.25 22:03 MKIV fmt: 2011.3.11 does work as advertised though. Pity I have to use the older version until another incompatibility is solved: resolversmodules loaded: 'bib' (/Users/hans/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/m-obsolete.tex ! Undefined control sequence. I hope to hear soon about that one. Hans van der Meer On 12 mrt 2011, at 15:07, Otared Kavian wrote: Hi, On my installation of ConTeXt, there is no hanging: maybe there is an issue with your intsllation? The output shows a grey rectangle with name : dummy file: figure state: unknown written on it. For your information, I tested your code on a Mac OS X 10.6.6 and the minimals (version 2011.02.25). Best regards: OK On 12 mars 2011, at 14:23, Hans van der Meer wrote: Requesting a non-existing picture does not produce a warning message, but makes ConTeXt hang. An abort is the only thing that helps. It would however be nice if a missing file warning is given. A minimal example that shows me the hang: \starttext Hello a picture?\par \externalfigure[./Figuren/figure.xxx] \stoptext ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 14:05, Marco wrote: On 2011-03-12 Florian Wobbe wrote: Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name The ConTeXt MINIMAL distribution that kept me. The name minimal somehow suggested something incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would suggest leaving out minimal and advertise the superior instead. Interesting point :) Very true. But it's an established name, I don't believe that it's likely to be changed. Well, I have been warned several times that we should change the name. I'm procrastinating for over a year already to finish and release a new version (that will be even more minimal, but with more optional fonts etc.) on the new server. It would be an option to rename it to The ConTeXt Distribution, but the pet name minimals will probably stay :) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] module bib outdated?
I suspect the cause of the problem in an earlier post is due to the line: \usemodule [bib] resulting in an error about an outdated module. What should I use instead? Hans van der Meer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 14:39, Taco Hoekwater wrote: On 12 mrt. 2011, at 14:23, Hans van der Meer wrote: Requesting a non-existing picture does not produce a warning message, but makes ConTeXt hang. An abort is the only thing that helps. It would however be nice if a missing file warning is given. A minimal example that shows me the hang: That is not supposed to happen, I think. Normally, you would get a gray box in thr pdf to indicate that the figure was not found. I'm not sure, but until yesterday ConTeXt kept hanging in most unexpected moments for not-really-predictable reasons and maybe that is just one of them. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] module bib outdated?
2011/3/12 Hans van der Meer h.vanderm...@uva.nl I suspect the cause of the problem in an earlier post is due to the line: \usemodule [bib] resulting in an error about an outdated module. What should I use instead? I believe that bib is now part of the core, so that line isn't necessary. Regards, Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 15:27, Hans van der Meer h.vanderm...@uva.nl wrote: Well, here it does hang. I also have MacOSX 10.6.6 but then I have the minimals ver: 2011.02.05 11:37 MKIV fmt: 2011.2.5. The later version: ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.25 22:03 MKIV fmt: 2011.3.11 does work as advertised though. Pity I have to use the older version until another incompatibility is solved: resolvers modules loaded: 'bib' (/Users/hans/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/m-obsolete.tex ! Undefined control sequence. I hope to hear soon about that one. I just commented out a single line in m-obsolete to make it work. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] missing colon in lucida mkii
Dear Hans, there is a block of code that is commented out in math-lbr: \startmathcollection[lbr] \definemathcharacter [:] [punct] [tf] [3A] % unbelievable \definemathcharacter [;] [punct] [tf] [3B] % unbelievable \stopmathcollection As a consequence I get a dot instead of colon with $a:b$. May I request uncommenting these lines again? (Plus, definitions for \colon are also missing, and maybe for some other characters as well, but I didn't check systematically.) Mojca On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:23, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, With the following example I get a dot instead of colon: \usetypescript[lucida][ec] \setupbodyfont[lucida] \starttext \startformula a := b \stopformula \stoptext The particular example in MKIV works fine ... ... except when it doesn't (\sqrt enters ifinite loop, but many other commands seem to be problematic as well). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] hanging on missing picture
Hi, I did the test with your code both with mkii and mkiv (version 2011.02.25, 22:03). In mkii I get what I reported previously and in mkiv I get: name : dummy file: ./Figuren/figure.xxx state: unknown I have noticed the hanging behaviour of mkiv in some other situations, but actually if I wait long enough mkiv comes back and the typesetting goes through… I had the impression of having a cache problem, since if I remove or rename the folder /context-minimal/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache then mkiv gets lost, despite a new folder being created. Maybe in your situation there is an analogous condition? Best regards: OK On 12 mars 2011, at 15:27, Hans van der Meer wrote: Well, here it does hang. I also have MacOSX 10.6.6 but then I have the minimals ver: 2011.02.05 11:37 MKIV fmt: 2011.2.5. The later version: ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.25 22:03 MKIV fmt: 2011.3.11 does work as advertised though. Pity I have to use the older version until another incompatibility is solved: resolversmodules loaded: 'bib' (/Users/hans/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/m-obsolete.tex ! Undefined control sequence. I hope to hear soon about that one. Hans van der Meer On 12 mrt 2011, at 15:07, Otared Kavian wrote: Hi, On my installation of ConTeXt, there is no hanging: maybe there is an issue with your intsllation? The output shows a grey rectangle with name : dummy file: figure state: unknown written on it. For your information, I tested your code on a Mac OS X 10.6.6 and the minimals (version 2011.02.25). Best regards: OK On 12 mars 2011, at 14:23, Hans van der Meer wrote: Requesting a non-existing picture does not produce a warning message, but makes ConTeXt hang. An abort is the only thing that helps. It would however be nice if a missing file warning is given. A minimal example that shows me the hang: \starttext Hello a picture?\par \externalfigure[./Figuren/figure.xxx] \stoptext ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ %% Otared Kavian Département de Mathématiques Université de Versailles Saint-Quentin Bâtiment Fermat 45 avenue des Etats Unis 78035 Versailles cedex Téléphone: +33 1 39 25 46 42 Secrétariat: +33 1 39 25 46 44 Secrétariat: +33 1 39 25 46 46 e-mail: otared.kav...@math.uvsq.fr ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] why this error?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 12:56, Hans van der Meer h.vanderm...@uva.nl wrote: Not so long ago no problems with typesetting. OK in ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.05 11:37 MKIV fmt: 2011.2.5 int: english/english Now in: ConTeXt ver: 2011.02.25 22:03 MKIV fmt: 2011.3.11 int: english/english an error: (.././literature.tex resolvers modules loaded: 'bib' (/Users/hans/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/m-obsolete.tex ! Undefined control sequence. Who can tell where this comes from and how it can be repaired? Open m-obsolete.tex and comment out the only line it contains (the only line that does something). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Why do \startlines and \crlf give different results in this example?
On Mar 12, 2011, at 02:15, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
\framed
[width=fit,align=right,strut=no]
{\startlines[before=,after=]
One
Two
Three
\stoplines}
Awesome, thanks. I added a note to the wiki page about \framed, and
subsequently discovered the information was hidden on the page about verbatim
linebreaks.
mathew
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Re: [NTG-context] change interwordspace twice
Am 12.03.2011 um 13:04 schrieb Andreas Harder:
Am 12.03.2011 um 10:01 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
Is there only one space or s is possible to set more fine-tuned values?
You can define your own space.
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal]
[smallspace]
{\spaceskip.2em plus.1em minus.05em\relax}
Yes this is a possibility but i would prefer something like this:
\definespace[smallspace][width=.2em,shrink=.05em,stretch=.1em]
\starttext
...
\setupspace[smallspace] % Better \enablespace[smallspace] or
\setspace[smallspace]?
...
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Thomas Schmitz tschm...@uni-bonn.dewrote: Hi Florian, On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:45:16 +0100 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or \placepublications[criterium=text]? We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. This is exciting. I think it's very important that we throw out BibTeX altogether in MkIV, and I hope that this work Hans is doing right now is somehow related to it. If it were ever possible to implement bibliography styles with something akin to string.format Lua calls, well, who wouldn't love that kind of flexibility? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] change interwordspace twice
Am 12.03.2011 um 17:00 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Am 12.03.2011 um 13:04 schrieb Andreas Harder:
Am 12.03.2011 um 10:01 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
Is there only one space or s is possible to set more fine-tuned values?
You can define your own space.
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal]
[smallspace]
{\spaceskip.2em plus.1em minus.05em\relax}
Yes this is a possibility but i would prefer something like this:
\definespace[smallspace][width=.2em,shrink=.05em,stretch=.1em]
Me too.
\starttext
...
\setupspace[smallspace] % Better \enablespace[smallspace] or
\setspace[smallspace]?
...
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
Hello, my personal opinion(s) (some of them very similar to Marco's ones): 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? (Cannot say; I started with MkIV so for me ConTeXt = MkIV.) 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? The word minimals is a bit confusing. It implies that there must be also Ctx standard or Ctx maximal. Better to be just ConTeXt; and if one finds something missing (e.g. fonts? modules?), he may be directed towards some extras. 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? The problem is too-many-incomplete (or obsolete) information sources. Wiki contains many stubs; there are options for commands which are not explained at all, even not mentioned or demonstrated by an example. Similar for contextref.pdf - there are many todo areas, but be it. But also many command options are not explained at all. From the user's point, when one has a problem, this means 1) search the wiki (he may remember that lately he didn't find an answer, but he should try again, what about if the topic/stub was added/completed?), 2) search the manual (personally, my most favourite source) and 3) to post a question to the mailing list (fortunately, people here do answer swiftly and even very basic questions are answered patiently). In my opinion, one information source would be good, a Ctx reference. It might be divided to several parts (e.g. Fonts, Tables, Document Structure Elements, Layers and Overlays, Colouring ConTeXt, ConTeXt and XML...). It should be decided whether the primary source is to be the wiki or the Ctx manual (.pdf). 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now, if you see a .pdf document and you are familiar with LaTeX, you recognize immediately whether or not it was generated by LaTeX (Word's signature is also unmatchable). If you create a first document with ConTeXt (moreover when migrating from LaTeX), you probably won't be satisfied with the default look (letters too big, heads not bold, spacing before/after heads too different from LaTeX's; and the LaTeX default document looks very symphonic in my opinion) (but also I can imagine that many Ctx defaults cannot be changed due to backward compatibility reasons). The perfect feature of ConTeXt is that all these features may be systematically altered (often [almost] impossible in LaTeX) but you must search enough and study (and maybe ask the forum) to get the result which would fulfil your aesthetic requirements. Treat all above as a personal point of view. I appreciate all work around Ctx and documenting it; and as an active programmer (including writing a user reference) I can imagine effort which must be make to improve a program, to test it and to keep the documentation up-to-date, including adding description of new features (and samples for them) and removing the deprecated ones. Best regards, Lukas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] renderbuttons where?
Am 12.03.2011 um 13:40 schrieb Hans van der Meer:
\button{\symbol[StartRendering]} [StartRendering{#1}]\enspace
\button{\symbol[StopRendering]} [StopRendering{#1}]\enspace
\button{\symbol[PauseRendering]} [PauseRendering{#1}]\enspace
\button{\symbol[ResumeRendering]}[ResumeRendering{#1}]}}
The above statements used to produce buttons for start/stop playing, etc.
Like:
render.tiff
Now I don't get them anymore. Has something changed here?
not-render.tiff
Works here but provide a working example next time.
ConTeXt ver: 2011.03.11 11:45 MKIV fmt: 2011.3.12 int: english/english
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Pagination problem with an intermezzo containing a footnote
Am 11.03.2011 um 20:54 schrieb mathew:
\starttext
This is a sample document to demonstrate a possible bug. You will
probably see a footnote below which appears before the page it's
referenced from.
\placeintermezzo[page][block:example]{Demonstrating a bug}
\startframedtext[width=0.8\makeupwidth]
This is a rather dull intermezzo.\footnote{But it does at least
demonstrate a bug.}
\stopframedtext
\stoptext
This isn’t a bug. The problem with your footnote is that context
reads the note at page 1 where it saw the float and placed therefore
the note on page one but the float itself wasn’t placed because
context saved it and flushed it at the next page.
What you can do is to move the float first to a separate page
first and used a fixed float (force keyword) to immediately flush it.
The saved method is to use local footnotes (you can find example
on the wiki) where the notes are placed below the float.
\starttext
This is a sample document to demonstrate a possible bug. You will
probably see a footnote below which appears before the page it's
referenced from.
\startpostponing
\placeintermezzo[force][block:example]
{Demonstrating a bug}
{\startframedtext[width=0.8\makeupwidth]
This is a rather dull intermezzo.\footnote{But it does at least demonstrate
a bug.}
\stopframedtext}
\stoppostponing
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Minimals installation problem
After installing Minimals apparently successfully on a Windows Vista system, I got the following messages when executing context hello: MTXrun | forcing cache reload MTXrun | resolvers: loading configuration file 'C:/Context/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | resolvers MTXrun | the resolver databases are not present or outdated MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | resolvers: remembering file 'mtx-context.lua' MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua' MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua' The directory name, Context, is not longer than eight characters and has no embedded spaces, so that should not be a problem. Executing texexec hello works fine. However, I want to use MKIV not MKII. BTW, I chose the current option to get a stable version. What could be the problem? Tom Benjey 717-258-9733 voice 717-243-0074 fax blog: www.TomBenjey.com ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] change interwordspace twice
Am 12.03.2011 um 17:04 schrieb Andreas Harder:
Am 12.03.2011 um 17:00 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Am 12.03.2011 um 13:04 schrieb Andreas Harder:
Am 12.03.2011 um 10:01 schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
Is there only one space or s is possible to set more fine-tuned values?
You can define your own space.
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal]
[smallspace]
{\spaceskip.2em plus.1em minus.05em\relax}
Yes this is a possibility but i would prefer something like this:
\definespace[smallspace][width=.2em,shrink=.05em,stretch=.1em]
Me too.
Yes. Looks even more contextish :o)
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Verbatim text: intext colors (mkiv)
Am 11.03.2011 um 20:46 schrieb Reviczky, Adam: Line numbers in the text as well as Works here with the last beta. I'm using the latest beta too. Attached is my PDF, do you get something different? I want to have intext numbers (inside the frame), not outside. As I said, works with mkii though. I’m Sorry, I missed the intext part. For MkIV you need “location=text” to move the numbers in the text. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Verbatim text: intext colors (mkiv)
I’m Sorry, I missed the intext part. For MkIV you need “location=text” to move the numbers in the text. Yeah, I just figured it out, though there's still a % todo: text in page-lin.mkiv, but it works. Wolfgang Thanks again. Adam ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
Hello ConTeXist. I installed ConTeXt minimals until pretty late. Before, I used the context in the TeXLive. For a long time I really thought that Minimals are incomplete versions of minimal and that there was something more. I was very pleasantly surprised at how easily Minimals installed and is very good, it is easy to automatically update the version. MkII I completely stopped using to create new documents using the MkII and translate only the old stuff. I know from experience that newcomers and MkII MKIV confusing and I have sometimes a problem with incompatibility, because I have long used the MkII. Personally I would advocate a clear separation of the MkII and MKIV in the garden and change minimals name to the name that is so misleading - eg directly MarkTeX :-). Greetings Jaroslav Dne 12.3.2011 17:20, Procházka Lukáš napsal(a): Hello, my personal opinion(s) (some of them very similar to Marco's ones): 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? (Cannot say; I started with MkIV so for me ConTeXt = MkIV.) 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? The word minimals is a bit confusing. It implies that there must be also Ctx standard or Ctx maximal. Better to be just ConTeXt; and if one finds something missing (e.g. fonts? modules?), he may be directed towards some extras. 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? The problem is too-many-incomplete (or obsolete) information sources. Wiki contains many stubs; there are options for commands which are not explained at all, even not mentioned or demonstrated by an example. Similar for contextref.pdf - there are many todo areas, but be it. But also many command options are not explained at all. From the user's point, when one has a problem, this means 1) search the wiki (he may remember that lately he didn't find an answer, but he should try again, what about if the topic/stub was added/completed?), 2) search the manual (personally, my most favourite source) and 3) to post a question to the mailing list (fortunately, people here do answer swiftly and even very basic questions are answered patiently). In my opinion, one information source would be good, a Ctx reference. It might be divided to several parts (e.g. Fonts, Tables, Document Structure Elements, Layers and Overlays, Colouring ConTeXt, ConTeXt and XML...). It should be decided whether the primary source is to be the wiki or the Ctx manual (.pdf). 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now, if you see a .pdf document and you are familiar with LaTeX, you recognize immediately whether or not it was generated by LaTeX (Word's signature is also unmatchable). If you create a first document with ConTeXt (moreover when migrating from LaTeX), you probably won't be satisfied with the default look (letters too big, heads not bold, spacing before/after heads too different from LaTeX's; and the LaTeX default document looks very symphonic in my opinion) (but also I can imagine that many Ctx defaults cannot be changed due to backward compatibility reasons). The perfect feature of ConTeXt is that all these features may be systematically altered (often [almost] impossible in LaTeX) but you must search enough and study (and maybe ask the forum) to get the result which would fulfil your aesthetic requirements. Treat all above as a personal point of view. I appreciate all work around Ctx and documenting it; and as an active programmer (including writing a user reference) I can imagine effort which must be make to improve a program, to test it and to keep the documentation up-to-date, including adding description of new features (and samples for them) and removing the deprecated ones. Best regards, Lukas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
Hello, I recently started using context. I migrated from latex to xelatex to context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use of \usepackage for this, \usepackage for that. When I read the documentation, I get the feeling that a lot of thoughts went into the options that are presented but it's still easy to customize (if you know how to do it :D) Here is my input to your questions. 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? The difference is not well explained. Also, mkii (which I don't use) sounds like the old version. When I first read about context, it was like well, we have this and that (mkii and mkiv) but it should say we have mkii, [insert here: what can it do, for what users is it recommended, pros/cons] and mkiv [insert info]. If you are not sure what to use, then you should use mkiv, because that is the future. Or something like that. 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty far behind. Plus, it should say Context Standalone because that is what it is. 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? I for one would welcome to see more guides like the titles guide. Nicely commented and explained code, result as picture. For better structure it would be an option to use code blocks that can be hidden, with a small [+] in front that you can click to see the code. 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? I read the manual section, if that does not answer it, I google what I want context. Most of the time that takes me to the mail archive. 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? I don't know. Maybe that helps. Christian -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Florian Wobbe [mailto:florian.wo...@awi.de] Gesendet: Samstag, 12. März 2011 13:21 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? Especially answers from new users to the first three points would be helpful to answer the fifth point I guess. In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? Just my 2 cents on this: difficult, because you won't be able to make everybody happy. Every now and then, I see a new user on the list who asks about installing mkiv and doesn't realize that it is not really something which you have to install additionally. We shouldn't scare those users because in so many cases, mkii and mkiv are exactly identical, so that would be an arguments against a too stric separation. I understand the problem. Having said that, pages like Using Mark IV or Install Mark IV should be renamed to installing/using context. Maybe it would help to include a little box important things to know on the installation page and explain shortly that for historical reasons mkii and mkiv are distributed together and that the former is regarded deprecated. Maybe link to a new page: Differences between miiv/mkii and how both are invoked (context vs. texexec). Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name The ConTeXt MINIMAL distribution that kept me. The name minimal somehow suggested something incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would suggest leaving out minimal and advertise the superior instead. But of course you're also right that it's frustrating for users if they can't find relevant information for the areas where the two differ. As long as mkiv hasn't settled, this is not easy... In deed. I guess this has most relevance for people new to context, especially those who know latex already and are used to find help easily. We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish
Re: [NTG-context] Portable Context
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 03:03:34PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:53, Siep Kroonenberg wrote: Is there any way to avoid hard-coded paths? Isn't minimals path-aware ? With setuptex I can put context wherever I want. This is in the context of TeX Live. But I'll have a look at how minimals does it. This has been changed after the version of ConTeXt for TeX Live has been frozen. So you would probably have to take a recent enough version of ConTeXt (most probably even the version on tlcontrib is too old, but at least it should not be too difficult to take the most recent version just for testing). You can have a look at http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/misc/web2c/texmfcnf.lua, but you need a recent mtxrun for that. Thanks for this information. I installed instead the minimals, which do indeed avoid hard-coded paths. I'll try to fix portability for Context in the next TeX Live once this new version has become part of TeX Live. -- Siep Kroonenberg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On Sat 12 Mar 2011, C. wrote: 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty far behind. Plus, it should say Context Standalone because that is what it is. I think Context Standalone would be a good name: as I understand it, minimals refers to the fact that it doesn't include other TeX formats and associated baggage; standalone conveys the same idea with less ambiguity, and hints at the fact that it won't interfere with your system's package manager. 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? I for one would welcome to see more guides like the titles guide. Agreed. I've been learning Python matplotlib at the same time as ConTeXt, and find that the quickest way is to pick an example plot from the (extensive) gallery that looks similar to what I want, then progressively modify the source code into what I need. A similar collection of common use-cases for ConTeXt would be great for beginners, I think. 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? I don't know. Someone above suggested packaging layouts to approximate the standard LaTeX look, and I too think that this would help. Not that I find the standard LaTeX look very pretty, but familiarity is a powerful force... Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] why this error?
On Sat 12 Mar 2011, Hans van der Meer wrote: (.././literature.tex resolversmodules loaded: 'bib' (/Users/hans/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/m-obsolete.tex ! Undefined control sequence. I managed to fix this simply by removing the \usemodule[bib] from my source file -- as if by magic, the bibliography kept working! I assume this is a consequence of the ongoing MkIV bibliography rewrite. Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
Procházka Lukáš wrote: [...] 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now, if you see a .pdf document and you are familiar with LaTeX, you recognize immediately whether or not it was generated by LaTeX (Word's signature is also unmatchable). If you create a first document with ConTeXt (moreover when migrating from LaTeX), you probably won't be satisfied with the default look (letters too big, heads not bold, spacing before/after heads too different from LaTeX's; and the LaTeX default document looks very symphonic in my opinion) (but also I can imagine that many Ctx defaults cannot be changed due to backward compatibility reasons). The perfect feature of ConTeXt is that all these features may be systematically altered (often [almost] impossible in LaTeX) but you must search enough and study (and maybe ask the forum) to get the result which would fulfil your aesthetic requirements. I strongly agree that sample set-up code (ideally well-commented so that it also serves as a tutorial of sorts) to reproduce the style of LaTeX would be helpful. The appearance of LaTeX documents isn't perfect but it produces reasonably high-quality results suitable for complex technical documents right out of the box of the box without any tweaking, whereas ConTeXt requires (at least it did for me) some trouble to set it up for the first time. To some extent this is not because of the merit of the LaTeX design itself but the fact that it is familiar and therefore highly readable to someone used to reading it. It is also the point of departure for a LaTeX user wanting to convert to using ConTeXt; hence, i would imagine many such people would prefer to tweak a LaTeX-like document appearance to better suit their needs rather than starting with something quite different. Certainly, this was the case for me; being basically satisfied with my LaTeX documents but wanting more control and the option to use the advanced features of ConTeXt. Having sample set-up code that emulated LaTeX would have eased the initial transition for me. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 06:21, Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra effort. My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as pdfcrop. I ended up writing my own pdfcrop because I couldn't work out how to get the one from my distribution working at the same time as the ConTeXt minimals. I'd have gone back to my distro's copy of ConTeXt, if it wasn't for the fact that it dates back to 2009 and I'd already hit a bug in it that's fixed in the minimals. mathew -- URL:http://www.pobox.com/~meta/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as pdfcrop. I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock p...@talvi.net wrote: On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as pdfcrop. I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than windows). -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 21:08, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, I recently started using context. I migrated from latex to xelatex to context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use of \usepackage for this, \usepackage for that. When I read the documentation, I get the feeling that a lot of thoughts went into the options that are presented but it's still easy to customize (if you know how to do it :D) Here is my input to your questions. 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? The difference is not well explained. Also, mkii (which I don't use) sounds like the old version. When I first read about context, it was like well, we have this and that (mkii and mkiv) but it should say we have mkii, [insert here: what can it do, for what users is it recommended, pros/cons] and mkiv [insert info]. If you are not sure what to use, then you should use mkiv, because that is the future. Or something like that. For me I don't care mkii. I use only mkiv. It's better to separate completely mkii from mkiv distribution. Yes, I see, in this case there is some work more for ConTeXt team. 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty far behind. Plus, it should say Context Standalone because that is what it is. Yes, agreed ! mkii should be named ConTeXt Legacy ? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?)
On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote: On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock p...@talvi.net wrote: On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as pdfcrop. I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than windows). Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH. I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!), this works just fine, except for a few programs such as bibtex for which I just define special aliases: tbibtex - /usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/x86_64-linux/bibtex etc. I guess that `luatex' is a problem. Maybe the minimals could evolve slightly so that there be *no* name conflicts with texlive except for ConTeXt itself, of course? (It appears that pdfcrop gets broken through a confusion over luatex, perhaps other texlive programs as well.) Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?
On 03/13/2011 12:35 AM, Henry House wrote: Procházka Lukáš wrote: [...] 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now, if you see a .pdf document and you are familiar with LaTeX, you recognize immediately whether or not it was generated by LaTeX (Word's signature is also unmatchable). If you create a first document with ConTeXt (moreover when migrating from LaTeX), you probably won't be satisfied with the default look (letters too big, heads not bold, spacing before/after heads too different from LaTeX's; and the LaTeX default document looks very symphonic in my opinion) (but also I can imagine that many Ctx defaults cannot be changed due to backward compatibility reasons). The perfect feature of ConTeXt is that all these features may be systematically altered (often [almost] impossible in LaTeX) but you must search enough and study (and maybe ask the forum) to get the result which would fulfil your aesthetic requirements. I strongly agree that sample set-up code (ideally well-commented so that it also serves as a tutorial of sorts) to reproduce the style of LaTeX would be helpful. The appearance of LaTeX documents isn't perfect but it produces reasonably high-quality results suitable for complex technical documents right out of the box of the box without any tweaking, whereas ConTeXt requires (at least it did for me) some trouble to set it up for the first time. First, let me say that I don't agree that the default LaTeX appearance is high-quality at all. To me, it looks like crap, and IIRC Lamport actually designed it 'ugly' with to encourage people to create something better looking themselves. Of course most people don't bother (which is typical and he could have seen that coming) but still... The same applies to the default context setup: it is also too ugly to be used for real world documents, and nevertheless many people leave it as is. This means that (for both LaTeX and ConTeXt) the defaults cannot be changed any more because of portability problems in existing documents. But nothing is to stop anybody from creating a different class file for LaTeX or a different module/environment for ConTeXt that produces something 'better'. So, if the intent is to lure people away from LaTeX, why not create a set of environment files to mimic LaTeX's article/book/report and upload them to the garden? Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Minimals
On 03/13/2011 08:42 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote: On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcockp...@talvi.net wrote: On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as pdfcrop. I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than windows). Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH. I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!), If I need lualatex, I just push the TeXLive bin directory to the front of my path. (exact opposite of Pontus' approach). Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
