Re: [NTG-context] Simple itemize format that eludes me

2005-02-19 Thread cormullion
Willi Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on 2005-02-16, 20:14 (+0100 GMT):

 may be not a very nice solution but ...
 
 \startitemize[none,packed]
 \item LONG-UGLY-STRING-LIKE-THIS
 
 \startnarrower[left]
   A few sentences, indented somewhat from the left margin, that
   relate to the long ugly string above. The indentation allows the
   reader to scan the ugly strings (which might well be in
   alphabetical order.
 \stopnarrower
 \stopitemize

Thanks - this works fine. (I think this might be the DD/DT construct in HTML 
that Im trying to reproduce...) :-)
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[NTG-context] Which version is best for MSWindows users.?

2005-02-19 Thread John Culleton
I am writing some e-books on free software. I am recommending TeX (of course) 
and Context instead of LaTeX. The vast majority of my readers will be using 
some flavor of MSWindows. Unfortunately there have been problems in 
synchronizing Context releases and Miktex releases, in re. hyphenation and 
fonts in general. I need to recommend a download package for readers who will 
be newcomers to the world of TeX. Which is the safest pointer? I see Miktex 
as a possibility but also the stripped versions of the TeX distribution 
maintained on the Context site. So how would you start an absolute newbie to 
e.g., Context and pdfetex? Where would you point them for their first 
download?
-- 
John Culleton
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[NTG-context] Navigation of pragma-ade.nl site.

2005-02-19 Thread John Culleton
I had problems recently navigating the pragma-ade site. I use Slackware Linux 
but I also have Win 2000. Unfortunately the browsers haven't kept up with pdf 
navigation of sites, except for Internet Explorer. The others I tested, 
Konqueror, Opera,  Mozilla, Lynx etc. cannot navigate the site because they 
use external plugins for interpreting pdf code, and the environment for those 
interpreters is local to my computer and not to pragma-ade.nl. (Lynx of 
course doesn't have pdf facilities at all.)

It is possible to navigate through many Context pdf pages using the forward 
and back buttons as suggested by Hans but this facility is not universal. 

Formerly the pages gave a choice between html navigation and pdf navigation. 
If it is not feasible to restore this dual pattern then perhaps we need to 
find another solution. Even Windows user often do not want to use IE on line 
because of security reasons. And of course many present/potential Context 
users may have Linux or OS X as their base systems. 

If a change is made in this direction I would be happy to run my various 
browsers against the Pragma site to make sure everything works as expected. 
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John Culleton
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Re: [NTG-context] Navigation of pragma-ade.nl site.

2005-02-19 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi John,
Please do this:
1. goto http://www.pragma-ade.com (html page)
2. click on 'about' link (top menu, opens new html page)
3. Now you can navigate using 'previous' and 'next' links (right bottom)
4. idem for the main links 'overview', 'download', 'links', 'documents'
This is not what you want?
Greetings, Taco
John Culleton wrote:
I had problems recently navigating the pragma-ade site. I use Slackware Linux 
but I also have Win 2000. Unfortunately the browsers haven't kept up with pdf 
navigation of sites, except for Internet Explorer. The others I tested, 
Konqueror, Opera,  Mozilla, Lynx etc. cannot navigate the site because they 
use external plugins for interpreting pdf code, and the environment for those 
interpreters is local to my computer and not to pragma-ade.nl. (Lynx of 
course doesn't have pdf facilities at all.)

It is possible to navigate through many Context pdf pages using the forward 
and back buttons as suggested by Hans but this facility is not universal. 

Formerly the pages gave a choice between html navigation and pdf navigation. 
If it is not feasible to restore this dual pattern then perhaps we need to 
find another solution. Even Windows user often do not want to use IE on line 
because of security reasons. And of course many present/potential Context 
users may have Linux or OS X as their base systems. 

If a change is made in this direction I would be happy to run my various 
browsers against the Pragma site to make sure everything works as expected. 
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Re: [NTG-context] Which version is best for MSWindows users.?

2005-02-19 Thread Matthew Huggett
 
   I am writing some e-books on free software. I am recommending TeX
   (of course) and Context instead of LaTeX. The vast majority of my
   readers will be using some flavor of MSWindows. Unfortunately
   there have been problems in synchronizing Context releases and
   Miktex releases, in re. hyphenation and fonts in general. I need
   to recommend a download package for readers who will be newcomers
   to the world of TeX. Which is the safest pointer? I see Miktex as
   a possibility but also the stripped versions of the TeX
   distribution maintained on the Context site. So how would you
   start an absolute newbie to e.g., Context and pdfetex? Where would
   you point them for their first download?

I think both MikTeX and Hans' minimal tree are good.  The MikTeX
installer might feel a bit more familiar to a newbie, but if you give
them instructions on how to install the minimal tree, it shouldn't be
anymore challenging than MikTeX.  Also, I think it's easier to stay in
sync with Hans' development of ConTeXt using the minimal windows
distribution and updating via the texsync script.  Although, using
texsync would also entail installing Ruby and Cygwin (to get the Rsync
program).

I think the only unexpected thing I had to do to get the minimal
windows tree working was to make the files in texmf-mswin\bin
executable (the permissions were not right).

Matt

  

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Re: [NTG-context] Navigation of pragma-ade.nl site.

2005-02-19 Thread Matthew Huggett

   I had problems recently navigating the pragma-ade site. I use
   Slackware Linux but I also have Win 2000. Unfortunately the
   browsers haven't kept up with pdf navigation of sites, except for
   Internet Explorer. The others I tested, Konqueror, Opera, Mozilla,
   Lynx etc. cannot navigate the site because they use external
   plugins for interpreting pdf code, and the environment for those
   interpreters is local to my computer and not to
   pragma-ade.nl. (Lynx of course doesn't have pdf facilities at all.)


As far as I can see, everything on www.pragma-ade.com is html except,
of course, for the manuals.  I don't see what is difficult about using
the site.  If people can't load PDFs in their browsers, they can
always download the files and load them offline in their PDF reader of
choice.  Loading PDFs in IE and Mozilla-based browsers should be
trivial anyway.  As far as the forward and back buttons not working,
I'm running both Firefox and IE, and both seem fine.  I'm sure
Konqueror must be fine as well.

Regards,

Matt   

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Re: [NTG-context] Navigation of pragma-ade.nl site.

2005-02-19 Thread John Culleton
On Saturday 19 February 2005 09:52, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Hi John,

 Please do this:

 1. goto http://www.pragma-ade.com (html page)
 2. click on 'about' link (top menu, opens new html page)
 3. Now you can navigate using 'previous' and 'next' links (right bottom)
 4. idem for the main links 'overview', 'download', 'links', 'documents'

 This is not what you want?

 Greetings, Taco

As usual, Taco to the rescue. It is not self-evident that one must go to the 
About button first. I was going directly to some of the other buttons along 
the bar.  Now following the above instruction everything works perfectly of 
course.

If you remember the previous home page it had distinct and labelled anchors 
for html navigation versus pdf navigation. 

When I refer people to the page I will need to mention the requirement to 
select About first when navigating via html (as many of us have to.) 

Thanks, 

John Culleton
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Re: [NTG-context] Navigation of pragma-ade.nl site.

2005-02-19 Thread John Culleton
On Saturday 19 February 2005 14:23, John Culleton wrote:
 On Saturday 19 February 2005 09:52, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
  Hi John,
 
  Please do this:
 
  1. goto http://www.pragma-ade.com (html page)
  2. click on 'about' link (top menu, opens new html page)
  3. Now you can navigate using 'previous' and 'next' links (right bottom)
  4. idem for the main links 'overview', 'download', 'links', 'documents'
 
  This is not what you want?
 
  Greetings, Taco

 As usual, Taco to the rescue. It is not self-evident that one must go to
 the About button first. I was going directly to some of the other buttons
 along the bar.  Now following the above instruction everything works
 perfectly of course.

I still didn't fully understand. It is only the Showcase button that one must 
be wary of.  That takes you to PDF navigation. Live and learn :) 

-- 
John Culleton
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