Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Aditya,

On Mo, 10 Dez 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Ubuntu gusty ships with libpoppler 0.6.2.1. However, I do not get any 
 suggested updates because I am using amd64 architecture, and I see that 

Ok, for you
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/

I will upload amd64 as soon as I can build them. In the meantime you can
do:

- add the above to /etc/apt/sources
- aptitude update
- apt-get source luatex
- cd luatex-0.20.1
- dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot -b
- cd ..
- dpkg -i luatex*.deb

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] how to change 'figure 1.1' to '?? 1.1'

2007-12-11 Thread Dalyoung Jeong
I am sorry that there is a mistake in the previous mail that I sent.

On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Jeong Dalyoung wrote:
 methods give me more choices.
 Then the \completecontent and \completeindex follows the above setup  
 of chapters.

 My question was how to make the head title setup of contents and of  
 indices free from the chapter setup?

 Now, I find that  the prefix{(a character) (chapter no) (a  
 character)} can be suppressed using prefix=no parameter in  
 \setupcombinedlist for contents and indices.

I may do a wrong test for this.
Without the prefix=no, \comletecontent has no prefix. But  
\completeindex has chapter no and it is not suppressed even the  
commnad \setuplist[index][prefix=no].

I am sorry to list wrong result.

Thank you for reading,

Best regards,

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Re: [NTG-context] how to change 'figure 1.1' to '?? 1.1'

2007-12-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/12/11, Dalyoung Jeong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I am sorry that there is a mistake in the previous mail that I sent.

 On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Jeong Dalyoung wrote:
  methods give me more choices.
  Then the \completecontent and \completeindex follows the above setup
  of chapters.
 
  My question was how to make the head title setup of contents and of
  indices free from the chapter setup?
 
  Now, I find that  the prefix{(a character) (chapter no) (a
  character)} can be suppressed using prefix=no parameter in
  \setupcombinedlist for contents and indices.

 I may do a wrong test for this.
 Without the prefix=no, \comletecontent has no prefix. But
 \completeindex has chapter no and it is not suppressed even the
 commnad \setuplist[index][prefix=no].

 I am sorry to list wrong result.

 Thank you for reading,

 Best regards,

 Dalyoung

Hi,

the difference between completecontent and completeregister is,
that the first use \title to place the header and the second use \chapter
to place the title and produce therefore a heading number.

You can now use ConTeXt's document structure and place completecontent
between \start/\stopbackmatter or you can use \title in combination
\placeindex, this produce a index without a header.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What's the ps_name of AdobeMingStd-Light?

2007-12-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/12/10, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

  Slow is no word for the speed with CJK, I have a document with Adobe
  Kozuka Minchi and Gothic and run takes up to 3 to 4 minutes.
 
  The same document needs with XeTeX about half a minute and using the
  same fonts in plain TeX took only a few seconds.
 
  This is really something LuaTeX need to be faster, but it is always faster
  than using the cwTeX in truetype format with pdfTeX ;-)

 it all depends on what's done with the font ...

 -- we can only locate a bottleneck when we have the font and a test file
 -- when you're low on memory, the garbage collector of lua becomes a
 problem
 -- dynamic features are faster (less loading)

 3-4 minutes ... we use mk.tex as test doc, and that one loads cjk as
 well as zapfino and arab ... runtime on my machine is 15-20 sec,
 depending on the console used an din bachmode we go under 15 seconds
 (140 page document)

 so, what kind of machine do you run luatex on?

 Hans

I run LuaTeX on a songle core pentium M with 1.7 GHz and 512 MB ram,
I made now a smell test file and the problem the speed with this file is not
so bad, the compile time increases with every \switchtobodyfont in my
document and not every of them can be replaced.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What's the ps_name of AdobeMingStd-Light?

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 2007/12/10, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Slow is no word for the speed with CJK, I have a document with Adobe
 Kozuka Minchi and Gothic and run takes up to 3 to 4 minutes.

 The same document needs with XeTeX about half a minute and using the
 same fonts in plain TeX took only a few seconds.

 This is really something LuaTeX need to be faster, but it is always faster
 than using the cwTeX in truetype format with pdfTeX ;-)
 it all depends on what's done with the font ...

 -- we can only locate a bottleneck when we have the font and a test file
 -- when you're low on memory, the garbage collector of lua becomes a
 problem
 -- dynamic features are faster (less loading)

 3-4 minutes ... we use mk.tex as test doc, and that one loads cjk as
 well as zapfino and arab ... runtime on my machine is 15-20 sec,
 depending on the console used an din bachmode we go under 15 seconds
 (140 page document)

 so, what kind of machine do you run luatex on?

 Hans
 
 I run LuaTeX on a songle core pentium M with 1.7 GHz and 512 MB ram,

it helps to have a gig or more

 I made now a smell test file and the problem the speed with this file is not
 so bad, the compile time increases with every \switchtobodyfont in my
 document and not every of them can be replaced.

eventually you can share most instances and load only once (i.e. 
normally only 4 fonts need to be loaded + some math)

Hans

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[NTG-context] extended dictionary / hyphenation patterns

2007-12-11 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi,

I guess German is famous for its monstrous compound words ;o(

So I have a manually collected lists of hyphenation patterns (like  
\hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}).
This I'd like to keep as a two separate files: on for usage with the  
body-text set in \mainlanguage[deo] and one for \mainlanguage[de].

Is there a handy way to automatically assign and include one of these  
files (HyPold and HyPnew) to the usage of the respective \mainlanguage 
[deo] and [de] ?

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] extended dictionary / hyphenation patterns

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I guess German is famous for its monstrous compound words ;o(
 
 So I have a manually collected lists of hyphenation patterns (like  
 \hyphenation{Selbst-kon-troll-ein-rich-tung}).
 This I'd like to keep as a two separate files: on for usage with the  
 body-text set in \mainlanguage[deo] and one for \mainlanguage[de].
 
 Is there a handy way to automatically assign and include one of these  
 files (HyPold and HyPnew) to the usage of the respective \mainlanguage 
 [deo] and [de] ?

you can copy them to lang-de.hyp

of just :


\mainlangage[de] \input yourfile.tex


in mkiv i will provide options for multiple files (runtime)


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Re: [NTG-context] What's the ps_name of AdobeMingStd-Light?

2007-12-11 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
 I run LuaTeX on a songle core pentium M with 1.7 GHz and 512 MB ram,
 I made now a smell test file and the problem the speed with this file is not
 so bad, the compile time increases with every \switchtobodyfont in my
 document and not every of them can be replaced.

It seems to generate pages at an acceptable rate, it is just the
font loading that is slow. Do you agree?

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] What's the ps_name of AdobeMingStd-Light?

2007-12-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/12/11, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
  I run LuaTeX on a songle core pentium M with 1.7 GHz and 512 MB ram,
  I made now a smell test file and the problem the speed with this file is not
  so bad, the compile time increases with every \switchtobodyfont in my
  document and not every of them can be replaced.

 It seems to generate pages at an acceptable rate, it is just the
 font loading that is slow. Do you agree?

 Best wishes,
 Taco

Yes, only the font loading takes very long, the document processing
is a little bit slower than normal but it is ok. Only the font embedding
or whatever happens at the end of the documents takes more time
than normal but this could be related to the font size.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What's the ps_name of AdobeMingStd-Light?

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 2007/12/11, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 I run LuaTeX on a songle core pentium M with 1.7 GHz and 512 MB ram,
 I made now a smell test file and the problem the speed with this file is not
 so bad, the compile time increases with every \switchtobodyfont in my
 document and not every of them can be replaced.
 It seems to generate pages at an acceptable rate, it is just the
 font loading that is slow. Do you agree?

 Best wishes,
 Taco
 
 Yes, only the font loading takes very long, the document processing
 is a little bit slower than normal but it is ok. Only the font embedding
 or whatever happens at the end of the documents takes more time
 than normal but this could be related to the font size.

most probably a memory problem

btw, are you sure that you copied luatex.exe to texluac.exe? otherwise 
you don't get compiled font tables (if not, then copy and delete the cache)

hans



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Re: [NTG-context] Project file structure

2007-12-11 Thread Jeff Smith
On Dec 11, 2007 4:39 AM, Wolfgang Schuster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You can set subdirectories with \usepath and \usesubpath.

 Wolfgang

Oh, wow, that does the work too! Marvelous. I found how they worked in
very old posts... 2003! I didn't even know about *LaTeX* at this time.
;-)

Thanks a lot. You guys are the best user manual ever!
Jeff
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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-11 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Norbert Preining wrote:

 Hi Aditya,

 On Mo, 10 Dez 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Ubuntu gusty ships with libpoppler 0.6.2.1. However, I do not get any
 suggested updates because I am using amd64 architecture, and I see that

 Ok, for you
   deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/
   deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/

 I will upload amd64 as soon as I can build them. In the meantime you can
 do:

 - add the above to /etc/apt/sources
 - aptitude update
 - apt-get source luatex
 - cd luatex-0.20.1
 - dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot -b
 - cd ..
 - dpkg -i luatex*.deb

Thank you. I needed to install a few packages (libpoppler-dev, quilt, 
fakeroot), and after that everything compiled correctly.

What is required for building a .deb file for amd64 for distribution. Can 
the luatex_0.20.1-1_amd64.deb that I built by the above process be used on 
other amd64 machines? If so, then maybe I can upload the file somewhere.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Problems with Context 2007/12/10 beta

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Santy, Michael wrote:
 There seems to be a problem introduced in the 2007/12/10 beta related to 
 tables with rowspans.  The following doesn't compile:
 
 \starttext
 \setupTABLE[split=repeat]
 \bTABLE
 \bTABLEbody
 \bTR
 \bTC A \eTC
 \bTC B \eTC
 \eTR
 \bTR
 \bTC[nc=2]
 blah
 \eTC
 \eTR
 \eTABLEbody
 \eTABLE
 \stoptext

new beta

for those using natural tables ... they are much faster now (two times, 
especially large tables)

Hans

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[NTG-context] \doifmode{mkiv}

2007-12-11 Thread Johan Sandblom
Is there a test for whether mkiv or mkii is being run? Something like

\doifmodeelse{mkiv}{whatever}

Johan

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Re: [NTG-context] \doifmode{mkiv}

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Johan Sandblom wrote:
 Is there a test for whether mkiv or mkii is being run? Something like
 
 \doifmodeelse{mkiv}{whatever}

did you try?

 rgrep mkiv\] *.mkiv
cont-new.mkiv : 20 : \enablemode[mkiv]


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Re: [NTG-context] Project file structure

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Jeff Smith wrote:
 On Dec 11, 2007 4:39 AM, Wolfgang Schuster
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can set subdirectories with \usepath and \usesubpath.

 Wolfgang
 
 Oh, wow, that does the work too! Marvelous. I found how they worked in
 very old posts... 2003! I didn't even know about *LaTeX* at this time.
 ;-)
 
 Thanks a lot. You guys are the best user manual ever!

just for fun i implemented

\input tree://one/two/three/four.tex
\input tree://one/**/four.tex

but only in mkiv

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Re: [NTG-context] Project file structure

2007-12-11 Thread luigi scarso
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and nothing else matter
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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv

2007-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 On Dec 7, 2007 7:17 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Hi,

 As a prelude to an independent language mechanism for mkiv (the tex
 part) I removes a few thingies. I was wondering ... is anyone using
 language specifics? Active quote stuff? Does that still make sense for
 mkiv? After all we can have more advanced exceptions and we have utf ...
 
 enco-fsl can go away (in mkii as well), but not lang-sla.mki* :)
 
 When looking into enco-fde (the same is true for Slovenian and Croatian):
 
   \def\setupDElanguage
 {\setuplanguage
[\s!de]
[\c!leftsentence=\leftguillemot,
 \c!rightsentence=\rightguillemot,
 \c!leftsubsentence=\leftsubguillemot,
 \c!rightsubsentence=\rightsubguillemot]}
 
 I have suggested another way of handling that a few days ago (no
 conclusions met).

i lost track of this setup thing ...

 Discretionaries should be handled by LuaTeX itself, right? So I guess
 that they're not really needed if they find their way into mkiv.

indeed, much more possibilities there ... just provide me rules and 
files and ...

 Then only a, o, u, s are left for German. (I already wanted to ask
 for c - č, s - š and z -ž mappings for Slovenian once, but I
 have changed my mind. I find it extremely ugly, although I used to
 write that way before someone has told me about
 \usepackage[cp1250]{inputenc}

i hear no germans climing that this should stay ... after all, it's a 
rather ancient way of dealing with things

 I would vote against supporting them (a, o, u) in LuaTeX, but it's
 not up to me.

nobody voted in favor so far ...

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Problems with Context 2007/12/10 beta

2007-12-11 Thread luigi scarso
On Dec 11, 2007 5:35 PM, Santy, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 There seems to be a problem introduced in the 2007/12/10 beta related to
 tables with rowspans.  The following doesn't compile:

  \starttext
  \setupTABLE[split=repeat]
  \bTABLE
  \bTABLEbody
  \bTR
  \bTC A \eTC
  \bTC B \eTC
  \eTR
  \bTR
  \bTC[nc=2]
  blah
  \eTC
  \eTR
  \eTABLEbody
  \eTABLE
  \stoptext

Compile good here.
This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.20.1-2007120806 (Web2C 7.5.6)
(format=cont-en 2007.12.12)  12 DEC 2007 01:56
**test0009.tex
(./test0009.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2007.12.07 19:14 MKIV  fmt: 2007.12.12  int: english/english




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[NTG-context] Unwanted information in PDF files

2007-12-11 Thread Maurí­cio
Hi,

After generating a PDF from a .tex file,
I changed the name of the resulting PDF to
something else. But when I open that file in
'evince', it still shows the old file name.

I opened that file in emacs in saw that I lot
of info is stored in the PDF file: original file
name, creation date, generated by Context etc.

That can be a problem sometimes. For instance,
someone wouldn't want to write a file like
'I_hate_my_job.tex' and then change the result
to 'report_to_boss.pdf', just to see his manager
opening the file and reading the first name. Or,
in my situation, write a file with special
Unicode characters and see evince show the file
name as bogus characters.

How can I instruct Context not to write anything
inside the PDF file that I have not asked for?

Thanks,
Maurício

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Re: [NTG-context] [Dev-luatex] beta 0.20.1 released

2007-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Di, 11 Dez 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 Thank you. I needed to install a few packages (libpoppler-dev, quilt, 
 fakeroot), and after that everything compiled correctly.

Not surprising ;-)

 What is required for building a .deb file for amd64 for distribution. Can 
 the luatex_0.20.1-1_amd64.deb that I built by the above process be used on 

Yes. You can send it to other Hardy users, or put it up somewhere. I
will build an amd64 version for Debian/sid

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv

2007-12-11 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:07:45PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
 
  Then only a, o, u, s are left for German. (I already wanted to ask
  for c - č, s - š and z -ž mappings for Slovenian once, but I
  have changed my mind. I find it extremely ugly, although I used to
  write that way before someone has told me about
  \usepackage[cp1250]{inputenc}
 
 i hear no germans climing that this should stay ... after all, it's a 
 rather ancient way of dealing with things

Hello Hans,

I'm german, and I don't see any reason for keeping those mappings.

  I would vote against supporting them (a, o, u) in LuaTeX, but it's
  not up to me.
 
 nobody voted in favor so far ...

I vote against too.

The only mappings, that make sense to me:
-- and --- since it's difficult to distinguish them from - in a
text-editor
and ~ since it's difficult to distinguish the utf unbreakable space from
normal space in a text-editor.

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[NTG-context] PDF Bookmarks on unnumbered subjects/titles etc

2007-12-11 Thread mir_ctx
Has anyone managed to get ConTeXt to generate PDF bookmarks for
the unnumbered headings such as \title, \subject, etc?

I saw the examples on the wiki page but unfortunately they
did nothing.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF_Bookmarks_and_Headers

\setupinteraction[state=start]
\placebookmarks[chapter]
\setupinteractionscreen[option=bookmark]
\starttext
\chapter{some chapter}
\bookmark{a title}
some text
\stoptext

The above example correctly generates bookmarks in the PDF.

I can't, however, get the same thing to work when using
\subject. Even explicitly placing bookmarks with \bookmark
doesn't work:

\setupinteraction[state=start]
\placebookmarks[chapter] % didn't add subject here as the wiki
 % says it doesn't work, and it's correct
\setupinteractionscreen[option=bookmark]
\starttext
\subject{some chapter}
\bookmark{a title}
some text
\stoptext

The wiki page also has this:

\definehead[Title][Chapter]
\setuphead[Title][number=no]

But that doesn't make the slightest difference.

Anybody got any ideas how to get this to work? I'm using:

pdfeTeX 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
context : ver: 2005.01.31
cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2007.5.21 mes: english

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So far it seems as if most of them have bounced with a strange
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