Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt (Out of Topic)

2008-06-05 Thread Maurice Diamantini

Le 4 juin 08 à 21:34, Gour a écrit :

 Here is the reply from pandoc main developer:

 ...
 There's a description of a workaround here:
 http://groups.google.com/group/pandoc-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c9ecef59465c12c6
  
 
 ...

Then in the next message:

 ... after a 'port sync', pandoc should again be installable
 using macports. ...

Thank you very much, I'll try it;
(other message not related to ConTeXt could now be send off-list please)
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Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt (Out of Topic)

2008-06-05 Thread luigi scarso
 (other message not related to ConTeXt could now be send off-list please)
true.
My problems is
What is out of topic  in this mailing list ? 
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Hans Hagen
Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
 Hey friendly helpers,
 
 I see, this list is one for experts and programmers, less for simple 
 users. But given that there is no list for beginners of ConTeXt, I make 
 my last attempt to get help in the following problem:
 
 How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?

quick and dirty command (instead one can use enumerations and do some 
complex setup)

\def\mnote{\dosingleempty\domnote}

\def\domnote[#1]#2%
   {\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote\plusone
\inmargin
  {\MyMarginalNote:
   \doifsomething{#1}
 {\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}%
   #2}}

\setupinmargin[stack=yes]

\starttext

bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla 
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla 
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla 
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

in \in {note} [foo]

\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Hi,

Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
 Hey friendly helpers,
 
 I see, this list is one for experts and programmers, less for simple 
 users. But given that there is no list for beginners of ConTeXt, I make 
 my last attempt to get help in the following problem:
 
 How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?

This may be possible, but if it is, I do not know how. I reply
just to let you know that I have read your message.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals

2008-06-05 Thread Siep Kroonenberg
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:56:22PM -0400, John Culleton wrote:
 On Sunday 25 May 2008 05:04:22 pm Hans Hagen wrote:
  Patrick Gundlach wrote:
   Hello Hans,
  
   But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image
   is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig.
   Nice idea, though.
  
   so much?
  
   With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is
   that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only
   the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre
   installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far
   to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with
   this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space.
   Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm
   (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware
   hacks. So this is the smallest part.

The Ubuntu alternate cd lets you do a text-only install. Afterwords,
you can add whatever you want.

  aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ?
 
  Hans
 
 Slackware allows you to pick and choose which software you install. 
 And a CDR variant, Slax, will run from a mini-cdr.  There are other 
 diminutive Linuxes. 

Debian is another distro which lets you pick and choose during
installation.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals

2008-06-05 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Guys,

why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future LuaTeX will
ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web server is already
there, print server and post script interpreter not far away from
being done, fonts are there, editor support may come from Jonathan
Kew, international support is there, login mechanism is probably also
hidden somewhere already [reading from zip files and from web etc.]
...)

The only serious concern being security, but for those who do not care
too much ...

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[NTG-context] Footer issue

2008-06-05 Thread Diego Depaoli
Hi all,
why \setupheader[text][after=\thinrule] and
\setupfooter[text][before=\textrule] both work,
but \setupfooter[text][before=\thinrule] doesn't work?
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Re: [NTG-context] Footer issue

2008-06-05 Thread Hans Hagen
Diego Depaoli wrote:
 Hi all,
 why \setupheader[text][after=\thinrule] and
 \setupfooter[text][before=\textrule] both work,
 but \setupfooter[text][before=\thinrule] doesn't work?

maybe add a \endgraf after the \thinrule

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Re: [NTG-context] Footer issue

2008-06-05 Thread Diego Depaoli
2008/6/5 Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Diego Depaoli wrote:
 Hi all,
 why \setupheader[text][after=\thinrule] and
 \setupfooter[text][before=\textrule] both work,
 but \setupfooter[text][before=\thinrule] doesn't work?

 maybe add a \endgraf after the \thinrule

Thanks

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Re: [NTG-context] Footer issue

2008-06-05 Thread Hans Hagen
Diego Depaoli wrote:
 Hi all,
 why \setupheader[text][after=\thinrule] and
 \setupfooter[text][before=\textrule] both work,
 but \setupfooter[text][before=\thinrule] doesn't work?

has to do with a new paragraph being started or a previous one being ended


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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Joachim Kreimer-de Fries

In friendly and helpfully answering to my late night question

 How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?

Hans Hagen wrote 05.06.2008 at 10:04:
 quick and dirty command (instead one can use enumerations and do some
 complex setup)

Before ending this day, I want to thank you for your endeavour (also  
for Taco's attentive regret).

Dear Hans, you know what your code produces:

- indeed, the marginal notes are numbered (I can live with the fact  
that this is not the kind numbering of notes (cf. footnotes) one -  
the reader - expects);

- indeed the notes are no longer printed one over the other.

BUT:

- the accent sign ( ´ ) placed in the text body before the next word  
following that wich is explained in the marginal note will not be  
accepted and understood by the readers. It must, of course, be a  
superscripts number (the same number as in the referencing marginal  
note).

AND:

You won't really expect that someone outside the circle of you  
programmers who have developed ConTeXt, i. e. a simple (beginning)  
user of ConTeXt - even if highly willing to learn, is able to change  
this code in a way to get the wanted results (which I had illustrated  
with the pdf-file produced under extremly frustrating formating  
effort with OpenOffice Writer).

With two exceptions (\def and \setupinmargin) I did not find any of  
the used commands documented in ConTEXt - the manual or the  
commands quick reference of 2001. I could not verify in the http:// 
texshow.contextgarden.net/
because not available - as almost everytime. But from my last  
remember, when it - for once - was available, they are not in there,  
neither.

On the one hand I have still the impression, that ConTeXt is a highly  
adaptable and flexible typesetting system within TeX (probably my  
intents with marginal notes as help for understanding texts could  
find a solution),

on the other hand I'm almost giving up with my intention, because the  
only program/system with wich I a had hope to resolve this problem is  
not configurable for me, because ... I'm not a programmer or software  
developer, because you ConTeXt-developers don't care enough about  
usable, applicable documentation, because the cultural, didactical  
value of the old (hand-)  typesetting technique of marginal notes has  
come out of fashion, what ever...

N. B. I recommend the provision in ConTeXt for marginal notes in my  
intented sense warmly to you: they are an acquirement of civilization  
with big possibilities for the future and no other - at least no word  
processing program - is able to handle them yet in a acceptable manner!

Nevertheless, be it pure curiousness or still persistant hope in  
acquiring the skills for ConTeXt, I would like to know:

1.
in your sample code, Hans:
between \starttext and \stoptext you write once (the first time of  
occurrence):
 bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla

but in the second time:
 bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla

and then again:

 bla bla bla \mnote{xxx}

Has the [foo] after the first \mnote any relevance and which?

2.
the last row of your document text is:

 in \in {note} [foo]

in my pdf-output this appears as :

in note 2

This is not reasonable and desired (it should not appear). Was it a  
slip of the pen on your side or any purpose, if yes, which one?

All the best and
Goutgaun!
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Tobias Burnus
Hi Joachim,

Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:
 bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla
 
 Has the [foo] after the first \mnote any relevance and which?
   
Preremark: Usually, in ConTeXt, text in curly braces is printed and in 
brackets is not.

In this case, \mnote{xxx} and \mnote[foo]{xxx} print the same, but you 
defined a label foo, which you can access later like in See in my 
margin note 1 on page 22.

 in \in {note} [foo]
 
 in my pdf-output this appears as :

 in note 2
Well, this is exactly the purpose, if you want to refer to a previous 
margin note, you can access it again. \in[foo] prints the margin-note 
number. And \in{note}[foo] prefixes it with the word note. If you 
have an setup interactivity, you can click on note 2 and jump to the note.

It might well be that you do not need that feature, but sometimes it 
might becomes handy.

Tobias
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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Hans Hagen
Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:

 - indeed, the marginal notes are numbered (I can live with the fact  
 that this is not the kind numbering of notes (cf. footnotes) one -  
 the reader - expects);

you can put anything there the way you want

 - indeed the notes are no longer printed one over the other.
 
 BUT:
 
 - the accent sign ( ´ ) placed in the text body before the next word  
 following that wich is explained in the marginal note will not be  
 accepted and understood by the readers. It must, of course, be a  
 superscripts number (the same number as in the referencing marginal  
 note).

i'm not sure what accent you mean, anyhow,

\def\domnote[#1]#2%
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote\plusone
 \inmargin
   {\MyMarginalNote:
\doifsomething{#1}
  {\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}%
#2}%
 \high{\MyMarginalNote}}

this will put a footnote like number in the text

 AND:
 
 You won't really expect that someone outside the circle of you  
 programmers who have developed ConTeXt, i. e. a simple (beginning)  
 user of ConTeXt - even if highly willing to learn, is able to change  
 this code in a way to get the wanted results (which I had illustrated  
 with the pdf-file produced under extremly frustrating formating  
 effort with OpenOffice Writer).

well, there are quite some users here who change code -)

it takes a while but at somepoint any user can define simple macros; 
maybe the #1 is confusing but that's just the argument

 With two exceptions (\def and \setupinmargin) I did not find any of  
 the used commands documented in ConTEXt - the manual or the  
 commands quick reference of 2001. I could not verify in the http:// 
 texshow.contextgarden.net/
 because not available - as almost everytime. But from my last  
 remember, when it - for once - was available, they are not in there,  
 neither.

i could have used \definenumber or \definelabel but the shown code was a 
quicky; the advantage of the other approach is that you can influence 
their rendering

 On the one hand I have still the impression, that ConTeXt is a highly  
 adaptable and flexible typesetting system within TeX (probably my  
 intents with marginal notes as help for understanding texts could  
 find a solution),

sure; the main probem is that everyone wants something slightly 
different and we end up with many commands that need examples and 
documentation and then get overseen ... the best resource for special 
cases is still this mailing list since others may have needed you 
rfeature before

 on the other hand I'm almost giving up with my intention, because the  
 only program/system with wich I a had hope to resolve this problem is  
 not configurable for me, because ... I'm not a programmer or software  
 developer, because you ConTeXt-developers don't care enough about  
 usable, applicable documentation, because the cultural, didactical  
 value of the old (hand-)  typesetting technique of marginal notes has  
 come out of fashion, what ever...

well, there's actually quite some marginal stuff in context (you don't 
wanna know what we need context for ourselves)

you should keep one thing in mind: tex is a 30 year old system (ok it 
gets updated now) and some things are simply non trivial and marginal 
notes are one of them (the stacking code is quite tricky)

concerning documentation ... if i had 60 hours in a day  keeping up 
with user demands, developments, my work etc etc takes time too

 N. B. I recommend the provision in ConTeXt for marginal notes in my  
 intented sense warmly to you: they are an acquirement of civilization  
 with big possibilities for the future and no other - at least no word  
 processing program - is able to handle them yet in a acceptable manner!
 
 Nevertheless, be it pure curiousness or still persistant hope in  
 acquiring the skills for ConTeXt, I would like to know:
 
 1.
 in your sample code, Hans:
 between \starttext and \stoptext you write once (the first time of  
 occurrence):
 bla bla bla \mnote{xxx} bla bla
 
 but in the second time:
 bla bla bla \mnote[foo]{xxx} bla bla bla

the [foo] is the optional cross reference; i thought that you might need 
that

 and then again:
 
 bla bla bla \mnote{xxx}
 
 Has the [foo] after the first \mnote any relevance and which?
 
 2.
 the last row of your document text is:
 
 in \in {note} [foo]
 
 in my pdf-output this appears as :
 
 in note 2
 
 This is not reasonable and desired (it should not appear). Was it a  
 slip of the pen on your side or any purpose, if yes, which one?

huh? if you don't want it, just delete it; that;s the problem with 
example code ... all users have different demands -)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Joachim Kreimer-de Fries wrote:



In friendly and helpfully answering to my late night question


How to create _numbered_ margin notes in ConTeXt?


Hans Hagen wrote 05.06.2008 at 10:04:

quick and dirty command (instead one can use enumerations and do some
complex setup)


Before ending this day, I want to thank you for your endeavour (also
for Taco's attentive regret).

Dear Hans, you know what your code produces:

- indeed, the marginal notes are numbered (I can live with the fact
that this is not the kind numbering of notes (cf. footnotes) one -
the reader - expects);

- indeed the notes are no longer printed one over the other.

BUT:

- the accent sign ( ´ ) placed in the text body before the next word
following that wich is explained in the marginal note will not be
accepted and understood by the readers. It must, of course, be a
superscripts number (the same number as in the referencing marginal
note).


A slight bug in Hans's code. See below.


AND:

You won't really expect that someone outside the circle of you
programmers who have developed ConTeXt, i. e. a simple (beginning)
user of ConTeXt - even if highly willing to learn, is able to change
this code in a way to get the wanted results (which I had illustrated
with the pdf-file produced under extremly frustrating formating
effort with OpenOffice Writer).


With two exceptions (\def and \setupinmargin) I did not find any of
the used commands documented in ConTEXt - the manual or the
commands quick reference of 2001. I could not verify in the http://
texshow.contextgarden.net/
because not available - as almost everytime. But from my last
remember, when it - for once - was available, they are not in there,
neither.


The user manual is for already existing features. In order to understand 
how to *extend* context, you need to know how the internals work. See

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Inside_ConTeXt


Let me try to explain the code (slightly adapted). First the adapted code:

\newcounter\MyMarginalNote

\def\mnote{\dosingleempty\domnote}

\def\domnote[#1]#2%
  {\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote
   \high{\MyMarginalNote}%
   \inmargin
  {\MyMarginalNote:
   \doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}#2}}



Now the explaination:

\newcounter\MyMarginalNote

Defines a new counter called MyMarginalNode. Hans did not use this because 
he knows how \increment works internally, but explicitly stating this 
helps in understanding.


\def\mnote{\dosingleempty\domnote}

This is the standard method in context of dealing with optimal arguments. 
See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands_with_optional_arguments


\def\domnote[#1]#2%

#1 is the optional argument (in square brackets), and #2 is the required 
arugment (in curly brackets)


  {\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote

Increment the counter MyMaginalNote. The \doglobal is there so that the 
counter is incremented even when the mnote occurs inside a group, for 
example, something like


\startframedtext
  blah blah\mnote{abc}
\stopfamedtext

   \high{\MyMarginalNote}%

Place the number as a superscript.

   \inmargin

Place the contents in the margin

  {\MyMarginalNote:

Place margin note number followed by colon

   \doifsomething{#1}
{\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}

if #1 is something (that is, #1 is not empty) create a textreference #1 
with the text \MyMarginNote. The expanded is there so that the reference 
is to the value of MyMarginNote when the margin note was created and not 
want the value of text reference was asked.


   #2}}

Place #2, that is the contents of the note.



On the one hand I have still the impression, that ConTeXt is a highly
adaptable and flexible typesetting system within TeX (probably my
intents with marginal notes as help for understanding texts could
find a solution),

on the other hand I'm almost giving up with my intention, because the
only program/system with wich I a had hope to resolve this problem is
not configurable for me, because ... I'm not a programmer or software
developer, because you ConTeXt-developers don't care enough about
usable, applicable documentation, because the cultural, didactical
value of the old (hand-)  typesetting technique of marginal notes has
come out of fashion, what ever...


This is not configurable because it was more like a proof of concept 
solution. There is no documentation because of the same reason.



N. B. I recommend the provision in ConTeXt for marginal notes in my
intented sense warmly to you: they are an acquirement of civilization
with big possibilities for the future and no other - at least no word
processing program - is able to handle them yet in a acceptable manner!


Hans, would it be too difficult to incorporate marginal notes in the core, 
so that one could define \definenote[mnote][location=margin]. Most of the 
pieces are already there.



Nevertheless, be it pure curiousness or still persistant hope in

Re: [NTG-context] Last attempt: numbered margin notes in ConTeXt?

2008-06-05 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:

 \def\domnote[#1]#2%
{\doglobal\increment\MyMarginalNote\plusone
 \inmargin
   {\MyMarginalNote:
\doifsomething{#1}
  {\expanded{\textreference[#1]{\MyMarginalNote}}}%
#2}%
 \high{\MyMarginalNote}}


There should not be a \plusone in the first line. Read the documentation 
of \increment in syst-ext ;)

Aditya
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