Re: [NTG-context] object in use

2010-04-14 Thread Hartmut Henkel
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Hans van der Meer wrote:

> Any idea what can cause the following error? I never encountered such
> a thing so I don't know where to start hunting. The error is new in
> mkiv, did not occur in mkii.
>
> ! LuaTeX error ...beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/lpdf-ini.lua:534:
> pdf.immediateobj() object in use

rather likely this was a luatex bug, hopefully fixed in SVN 3617.

Regards, Hartmut
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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...

2010-04-14 Thread Willi Egger

Hi Otared,

thanks for your file. It does not look like that there are relevant  
differences with the version I used.
I tried to setup a new tree with your file. The result is the same,  
after the first bits the procedure is stopped with the mentioned bus  
error.


Kind regards

Willi
On 14 Apr 2010, at 12:27, Otared Kavian wrote:



On 14 avr. 2010, at 11:56, Willi Egger wrote:


Tiger 10.4.11 on a Macbook-intel

running texlua -- version works.

However running mtxrun without any option results in a bus error.

Furthermore, I wanted to update the minimals in the usual way with  
first-setup in a new tree. No chance, it stops after downloading  
the first bits:


sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
total size is 5610517  speedup is 33198.33


Hi Willi,

Two weeks ago I had a similar problem on my MacBook Pro running  
Snow Leopard 10.6.
The issue seemed to be with an old first-setup.sh file: when I  
updated that file everything worked fine.
As a test to reproduce your experience, I just created a new  
folder, copied the file first-setup.sh there and installed anew the  
minimals: they work without any problem here.
Just in case, I send you the file I have on my machine, and you can  
compare with yours.


Best regards: OK

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Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail

2010-04-14 Thread Steffen Wolfrum

Am 13.04.2010 um 13:16 schrieb Peter Münster:

> On Tue, Apr 13 2010, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>>> \starttext
>>> text1\footnote{1footnote}
>>> \stoptext
>>> 
>>> This will produce four instances of the numeral '1'.  Suppose I want
>>> them all to look exactly alike.  In other words, suppose I didn't want
>>> either footnote mark to be rescaled or elevated at all.  How could I
>>> do that?
>> 
>> \setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
> 
> And textstyle:
> 
> \setupfootnotes[numbercommand=, textcommand=, style=, textstyle=,
>  bodyfont=]
> 
> ;)
> 
> Cheers, Peter



It must be "localbodyfont=", right?

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work

2010-04-14 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
>  but for several personal reasons I can't join any
> of the international TeX user groups

  I don't know what your reasons are, but you realize that you can't
blame the user groups for your not wanting to join, right?  TUG sends
its publication worldwide at its own expenses, and living in Egypt you'd
qualify for the membership discount for "countries with modest
economies" (their wording).  You really can't blame TUG for your own
choices.

>  for
> example, there was that time I needed badly some article about OpenType
> math published in TUGBoat, but I've to wait for a year to read it

  One year is nothing.  It may be too late for your particular project,
but opening the archives after one year is really early.

  By the way, I suppose you know TUG'11 will take place in Cairo, so you
should really come if you have the opportunity :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work

2010-04-14 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 04:21:27PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 13-4-2010 8:07, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> 
> >Apparently not, again for some reason I'd always the feeling that they
> >are not interested in feedback (I also usually try to provide fixes with
> >my "bug" reports, but I can't really do here).
> 
> If you'd met them in person you'd probably written your mails
> differently. They are quite open, very active in the tex community,
> spending a lot of time on tex things and deserve a bit more respect.

I'm pretty sure I'd, also I never meant any disrespect, I may look a bit
rude, but, as free software zealot, I owe great respect to any free
software project, whether or not I completely agree with it.

> (Actually this is one of the things I dislike about mailing,
> bloging, etc. .. criticizing people without knowing who one's
> dealing with and what one's intentions are.)

True.

> Most of this info can be found in publications (and presentations)
> on the project. Ok, if one's not a member of a user group, one will
> not notice but that not the teams fault.

That one of the things I really hate about TeX development (OK, OK, I'm
not starting again), but for several personal reasons I can't join any
of the international TeX user groups (and we don't have one here) and I
can't also go to TeX conferences, so I always feel outside the loop (for
example, there was that time I needed badly some article about OpenType
math published in TUGBoat, but I've to wait for a year to read it, and
by then I don't think I'll be still in need of it).

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] grid in footnotes, was: Re: footnote marks fail

2010-04-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 14-4-2010 4:51, Michael Saunders wrote:

i was not even aware that \newcommand was there ... probably more a

catch for bibtex issues

I have been using it a lot since, although Context seems to use a lot
of brackets, it won't allow nested ones.  For example, I have to use:

\newcommand{\hfstyle}{\switchtobodyfont[15pt]}
\setupheader[style=\hfstyle]

because I'll get an error from:

\setupheader[style=\switchtobodyfont[15pt]]


\setupheader[style={\switchtobodyfont[15pt]}]

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Re: [NTG-context] grid in footnotes, was: Re: footnote marks fail

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Saunders
> i was not even aware that \newcommand was there ... probably more a
catch for bibtex issues

I have been using it a lot since, although Context seems to use a lot
of brackets, it won't allow nested ones.  For example, I have to use:

\newcommand{\hfstyle}{\switchtobodyfont[15pt]}
\setupheader[style=\hfstyle]

because I'll get an error from:

\setupheader[style=\switchtobodyfont[15pt]]

Is there an easier way?

> > \setupnote[footnote][location=columns,numbercommand=\fnmstyle,textcommand=\fntstyle,textstyle=\addff{su},align={normal,hanging},split=verystrict,interaction=yes]
> >
> > I don't know quite why it works, but it works---except for one little
> > thing---there is a little vertical space between each footnote
> (apparently because of the \switchtobodyfont[12pt]).
> >
> that will indeed define the interlinespace; also, the regular \high
> command does some snapping while with the supp feature you're dependent
> on what the fonts delivers as ht/dp of a glyph

I don't see how could you possibly use \high{} for the footnote marks
(\setupnote[footnote][?]).  Besides, as I understand it, \high{} just
rescales the body font---which always looks bad.   So, I don't want to
use \high{}.  I use my numr feature which gives me exactly the right
shape and height, but I have a little space between the footnotes.
How do I eliminate the space?  Maybe by setting a verytolerant grid
for the footnotes?  I don't know how.
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Re: [NTG-context] grid in footnotes, was: Re: footnote marks fail

2010-04-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 13-4-2010 3:33, Michael Saunders wrote:

Peter M?nster wrote:



\setupfootnotes[numbercommand=, textcommand=, style=, textstyle=,
  bodyfont=]


Thanks, Peter.  With some experimentation I got what I wanted.  For
the record, I'm using:

\definefontfeature[su][body][sups=yes,ordn=yes]%superior
\definefontfeature[nu][body][numr=yes]%numerator
\definefontfeature[po][body][pnum=yes,onum=yes]%proportional old style

\newcommand{\fnmstyle}{\addff{nu}\switchtobodyfont[12pt]}
\newcommand{\fntstyle}{\addff{po}}


i was not even aware that \newcommand was there ... probably more a 
catch for bibtex issues



\setupnote[footnote][location=columns,numbercommand=\fnmstyle,textcommand=\fntstyle,textstyle=\addff{su},align={normal,hanging},split=verystrict,interaction=yes]

I don't know quite why it works, but it works---except for one little
thing---there is a little vertical space between each footnote
(apparently because of the \switchtobodyfont[12pt]).


that will indeed define the interlinespace; also, the regular \high 
command does some snapping while with the supp feature you're dependent 
on what the fonts delivers as ht/dp of a glyph



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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work

2010-04-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 13-4-2010 8:07, Khaled Hosny wrote:


Apparently not, again for some reason I'd always the feeling that they
are not interested in feedback (I also usually try to provide fixes with
my "bug" reports, but I can't really do here).


If you'd met them in person you'd probably written your mails 
differently. They are quite open, very active in the tex community, 
spending a lot of time on tex things and deserve a bit more respect.


(Actually this is one of the things I dislike about mailing, bloging, 
etc. .. criticizing people without knowing who one's dealing with and 
what one's intentions are.)


The project started already quite some years ago and i dare to say the 
lm and gyre project the community would be in troubles. Also, these 
projects are among the few (user group sponsored projects) that actually 
had quite some outcome. We have had those type one fonts in different 
encodings for ages and in was a pain to support them consistently esp 
when mixing languages. This project could only succees because it was 
done by a few people the way it was done. I kno wthe community well 
enough by now to also know that a larger group would have failed 
(endless discussions for instance) and even this way it already had to 
cross some political tex font boundaries. In the tex community the most 
succesful projects are those done by small groups consisting of people 
who stay around long.


The fonts that were used as starting point were part of tex live for 
many years and for some it's even unknown where the additional glyphs 
came from. Replacing the old fonts with new ones (type 1 and later otf) 
is done under tight control as it may not harm distributions and current 
workflows.


Most of this info can be found in publications (and presentations) on 
the project. Ok, if one's not a member of a user group, one will not 
notice but that not the teams fault. The stages are quite clear: initial 
merge, cleanup (which can lead to removal), math, improve. We're 
currently between the second and third stage. Those sponsoring the 
project are quite convinced that the team can and will deliver given 
time. Criticism is ok, as is passing info and patches to the team, but 
one has to see things in (tex) perspective.


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail

2010-04-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 13-4-2010 10:07, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

Le 13 avril 2010 à 08:13, Taco Hoekwater a écrit:

Sorry, a bit off topic, but: is \setupfootnotes[] a synonym for
\setupnote[footnote][] ?


Yes, the actual definition is:
   \def\setupfootnotes {\setupnote [\v!footnote]}


Thanks a lot.


which reminds me: at some point we should add wiki redirects or
stub pages for

  Reference/en/startitemize =>  Reference/en/startenumeration


So I guess there is a list of all those synonyms available?


no, because they're backward compatible commands and the setupnote is 
the one to be documented (and used), not the setupfootnotes


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Re: [NTG-context] RSFS Font

2010-04-14 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi Troy,

Did you try the following:
 file rsfs-mkiv.tex
% first comes the patch sent by Hans:
\unprotect
\chardef\msfam\plustwo % math symbol
\def\c!ms{ms}
\unexpanded\def\ms{\ifmmode\fam\plustwo\else\setcurrentfontalternative\c!ms\fi}
\chardef\symbolmathmode\zerocount
\def\enablesymbolmath {\chardef\symbolmathmode\plusone  }
\def\disablesymbolmath{\chardef\symbolmathmode\zerocount}
\appendtoks
  \ifcase\symbolmathmode\or\dosetmathfamily\msfam\c!ms\fi
\to \mathstrategies
\enablesymbolmath
\protect % end of patch

\starttypescript [math] [modern,computer-modern,latin-modern]
  \definefontsynonym[mathsymbol][mathsymbol-regu...@symbol-math]
  \loadfontgoodies[symbol-math]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [math] [modern,computer-modern,latin-modern] [size]

  % extras on top of regular and bold
  \definebodyfont
  [4pt,5pt,6pt,7pt,8pt,9pt,10pt,
   11pt,12pt,14.4pt,17.3pt,20.7pt]
  [mm]
%   [ms=MathSymbol sa 1] % I commented out this 
  [ms=rsfs10 sa 1] % I replaced the above line by this

\stoptypescript

\usetypescript[modern] \setupbodyfont[modern,10pt]

\def\scr  {\ms}
\def\script#1{{\scr#1}}

\enableboldmath
\enablesymbolmath

\setupbodyfont[10pt]

\starttext
Recall that since ${\scr D}({\Bbb R}^n)\subset {\scr S}({\Bbb R}^n)$, and is 
dense, then we have
\startformula
{\scr S}'({\Bbb R}^n)\subset {\scr D}'({\Bbb R}^n)
\stopformula
This file has been typeset 
on \currentdate{} 
at \currenttime, 
with 
\doifmodeelse{mkiv}
{mkiv, 
LuaTeX version \the\luatexversion,
LuaTeX revision \luatexrevision,
(LuaTeX date stamp \luatexdatestamp), }
{mkii, }
ConTeXt version \contextversion.
\stoptext

On my machine the rsfs font is shown under mkiv, but there a few issues with 
spacing of some characters as you may see in the resulting PDF. Hans gave a 
mission to Aditya, Mojca (and very remotely to me, given my more than limited 
skills…) to track down some of th eissues with math in mkiv. Aditya is right 
now travelling, so without an easy access the internet, beside being busy with 
his thesis. I am sure he will return soon and we will have some insights frm 
him and Hans.

Best regards: OK

On 14 avr. 2010, at 14:08, Troy Henderson wrote:

> Hans,
> 
> I updated my ConTeXt (by rerunning first-setup.sh and remaking the
> format files), but I get the following error when compiling your code.
> 
> Troy
> 
> LuaTeX warning: lua-loaded font [72] (MathSymbol-Regular) has no characters!
> ! LuaTeX error ...mals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:539:
> attempt to index field 'parameters' (a nil value)
> stack traceback:
>   ...mals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:539: in
> function 'register'
>   ...mals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:386: in
> function 'command_2'
>   :1: in main chunk.
> \lowleveldefinefont ...lax , "\relativefontid " )}
>  \edef \somefontspec {at \s...
> \xxdododefinefont ...efont {#4}\newfontidentifier
>  \fi \csname \newfontidenti...
> \dodosetmathfamily ...\currentmathsize \endcsname
>  \else \ifcsname \fontclass...
> \dosetmathfamily ...athfamily \scriptscriptfont #1
>  \let \currentmathsize \!!p...
>  ... \dosetmathfamily \msfam \c!ms
>  \fi
> \synchronizemath ...athfonts \the \mathstrategies
>  \fi
> ...
> l.39 ...script[modern] \setupbodyfont[modern,10pt]
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] RSFS Font

2010-04-14 Thread Troy Henderson
Hans,

I updated my ConTeXt (by rerunning first-setup.sh and remaking the
format files), but I get the following error when compiling your code.

Troy

LuaTeX warning: lua-loaded font [72] (MathSymbol-Regular) has no characters!
! LuaTeX error ...mals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:539:
attempt to index field 'parameters' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...mals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:539: in
function 'register'
...mals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:386: in
function 'command_2'
:1: in main chunk.
\lowleveldefinefont ...lax , "\relativefontid " )}
  \edef \somefontspec {at \s...
\xxdododefinefont ...efont {#4}\newfontidentifier
  \fi \csname \newfontidenti...
\dodosetmathfamily ...\currentmathsize \endcsname
  \else \ifcsname \fontclass...
\dosetmathfamily ...athfamily \scriptscriptfont #1
  \let \currentmathsize \!!p...
 ... \dosetmathfamily \msfam \c!ms
  \fi
\synchronizemath ...athfonts \the \mathstrategies
  \fi
...
l.39 ...script[modern] \setupbodyfont[modern,10pt]

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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work

2010-04-14 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 09:17:41PM +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > Apparently not, again for some reason I'd always the feeling that they
> > are not interested in feedback
> 
>   I wonder how you got that feeling if you never made contact with
> them...

I'm still wondering too.

> >(I also usually try to provide fixes with
> > my "bug" reports, but I can't really do here).
> 
>   Because you can't use the AFDKO?  You can still make suggestions if
> you have some.  For that matter, I've never used the AFDKO either, and
> that didn't prevent me to from discussing issues with Jacko.

I'm used to open source projects where sending patches with your bug
reports is more appreciated, and I always feel it is a bit rude to do
otherwise (specially in an area like fonts where I should be able to fix
bugs myself).

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...

2010-04-14 Thread Otared Kavian

On 14 avr. 2010, at 11:56, Willi Egger wrote:

> Tiger 10.4.11 on a Macbook-intel
> 
> running texlua -- version works.
> 
> However running mtxrun without any option results in a bus error.
> 
> Furthermore, I wanted to update the minimals in the usual way with 
> first-setup in a new tree. No chance, it stops after downloading the first 
> bits:
> 
> sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
> total size is 5610517  speedup is 33198.33

Hi Willi,

Two weeks ago I had a similar problem on my MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard 
10.6.
The issue seemed to be with an old first-setup.sh file: when I updated that 
file everything worked fine.
As a test to reproduce your experience, I just created a new folder, copied the 
file first-setup.sh there and installed anew the minimals: they work without 
any problem here.
Just in case, I send you the file I have on my machine, and you can compare 
with yours.

Best regards: OK



first-setup.sh
Description: Binary data
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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...

2010-04-14 Thread Willi Egger

Thanks for your reply.
As for me there is no need to revert to an older version of luatex. -  
Cautiously I keep one tree which works and update into another tree ;-)


Kind regards
On 14 Apr 2010, at 12:14, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:56, Willi Egger  wrote:

Tiger 10.4.11 on a Macbook-intel

running texlua -- version works.

However running mtxrun without any option results in a bus error.

Furthermore, I wanted to update the minimals in the usual way with
first-setup in a new tree. No chance, it stops after downloading  
the first

bits:


A temporary solution might be to fetch an older luatex from
http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/osx-intel/luatex/, make
it executable, place it to "bin", rename it into texlua and comment
out the line in first-setup.sh that fetches a newer texlua.

But we need to sort this out ASAP. (Temporary I can also revert back
to an older version - later today.)

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...

2010-04-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:56, Willi Egger  wrote:
> Tiger 10.4.11 on a Macbook-intel
>
> running texlua -- version works.
>
> However running mtxrun without any option results in a bus error.
>
> Furthermore, I wanted to update the minimals in the usual way with
> first-setup in a new tree. No chance, it stops after downloading the first
> bits:

A temporary solution might be to fetch an older luatex from
http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/bin/osx-intel/luatex/, make
it executable, place it to "bin", rename it into texlua and comment
out the line in first-setup.sh that fetches a newer texlua.

But we need to sort this out ASAP. (Temporary I can also revert back
to an older version - later today.)

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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...

2010-04-14 Thread Willi Egger

Tiger 10.4.11 on a Macbook-intel

running texlua -- version works.

However running mtxrun without any option results in a bus error.

Furthermore, I wanted to update the minimals in the usual way with  
first-setup in a new tree. No chance, it stops after downloading the  
first bits:


sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
total size is 5610517  speedup is 33198.33
...

MTXrun | state: loaded
MTXrun | update: start
./first-setup.sh: line 93:  1090 Bus error   mtxrun -- 
verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force -- 
engine=all --context=beta --platform=$platform --texroot=$PWD/tex $@


I am stumied ...

Willi
On 14 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 05:40, Michael Green wrote:

Mojca Miklavec writes:

I hit a similar problem on a ppc mac. So it's probably not an  
intel-only

thing.
The .firstsetup script crashes. It worked fine through at least  
March 23,

for what it's worth.
Here's a transcript

...
./first-setup.sh: line 69:  5194 Bus error   mtxrun -- 
verbose

--script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --
update --make --force --engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/ 
tex $@


What about
cd bin
texlua --version
Does that work?

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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...

2010-04-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 05:40, Michael Green wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec writes:
>
> I hit a similar problem on a ppc mac. So it's probably not an intel-only
> thing.
> The .firstsetup script crashes. It worked fine through at least March 23,
> for what it's worth.
> Here's a transcript
...
> ./first-setup.sh: line 69:  5194 Bus error               mtxrun --verbose
> --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --
> update --make --force --engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex $@

What about
cd bin
texlua --version
Does that work?

Mojca
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