Re: [NTG-context] status-of-update.lus

2010-06-04 Thread jelle


 Today first-setup.sh ended with
 status-of-update.lus
 instead of expected
 status-of-update.lua
 Is it
correct ?

I don't know, but I get the status-of-update.lus file
too (Linux 64 bit)

Jelle
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 09:32, luigi scarso wrote:

 2) why python ? We have lua in luatex; mkiv has a lot of lua code about fonts.

Hmmm ... the guy who spent most of his time in community trying to
make python work with ConTeXt is now complaining about the programming
language? Come on ... :)

Whenever I write something I use the language I master most (even if
it's not the most suitable language for that task), so I guess that
must be the reason. But if the script proves to be useful, it's still
short enough that anyone could convert it to Lua to get rid of
dependencies on yet another language.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] floatcombinations, localfloats [mkiv]

2010-06-04 Thread Marius
Hello, I can't get it to work too. When we could expect it to be
fixed? Or maybe somebody knows a work around to place two floats side
by side?

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Thomas Floeren
thomas.floe...@boschung.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I can't get floatcombinations to work in mkiv:

 \starttext
 \placefigure [none]{}
 {\startfloatcombination [2*1]
 \placefigure {.}%
 {\externalfigure [.]}
 \placefigure {.}%
 {\externalfigure [.]}
 \stopfloatcombination}
 \stoptext

 (some definitions are missing: forcelocalfloats, resetlocalfloats, 
 noflocalfloats)

 Best wishes
 Thomas



 This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.1-2010052906 (Web2C 2010/pretest) (rev 3685)
 ConTeXt  ver: 2010.06.01 00:18 MKIV  fmt: 2010.6.1  int: english/english

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Re: [NTG-context] status-of-update.lus

2010-06-04 Thread Marius
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:58 AM,  je...@jhnet.nl wrote:
 Today first-setup.sh ended with
 status-of-update.lus
 instead of expected
 status-of-update.lua
 Is it correct ?

 I don't know, but I get the status-of-update.lus file too (Linux 64 bit)


Confirm that this is the case on windows too.
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 10:03, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 09:32, luigi scarso wrote:


2) why python ? We have lua in luatex; mkiv has a lot of lua code about fonts.


Hmmm ... the guy who spent most of his time in community trying to
make python work with ConTeXt is now complaining about the programming
language? Come on ... :)

Whenever I write something I use the language I master most (even if
it's not the most suitable language for that task), so I guess that
must be the reason. But if the script proves to be useful, it's still
short enough that anyone could convert it to Lua to get rid of
dependencies on yet another language.


indeed; th ecore programs with context are on lua as it makes us 
independent of other installed programs but additional tools can be in 
any language (perl, ruby, python etc)


in that sense i think that Michael's script is for otf what texfont.rb 
is/was for type 1 so it's a nice addition


i'm not sure if a binary is needed as most users can simply install python

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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 4-6-2010 10:03, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 Whenever I write something I use the language I master most (even if
 it's not the most suitable language for that task), so I guess that
 must be the reason. But if the script proves to be useful, it's still
 short enough that anyone could convert it to Lua to get rid of
 dependencies on yet another language.
sorry, but you can not program PIC controller with bash just because
you know bash better than assembly


 indeed; th ecore programs with context are on lua as it makes us independent
 of other installed programs but additional tools can be in any language
 (perl, ruby, python etc)
Other languages are fine of course, but in this context lua is best choice.
Lua is all we need.



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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky



I will probably package it as an .exe when I get the option handling done.


Would be great for average Windows users ;)

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Re: [NTG-context] ntg-context Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Saunders
 more acrobat and initialization and so ... some of these things change
 per version; which version of acrobat? test file?

I have Adobe Reader 9.3.2, which I think is the latest.  The following test:

\starttext
\dorecurse{1000}{\tooltip[middle]{test}{test}}
\stoptext

produces a pdf which opens up with the purple band at the top.  There
is a button (which doesn't look much like a button) on the left of
this band that will hide it when pressed.  Still I'd like to control
it.

I have a closely-related question.  I'm preparing a document for
screen reading, and I always have to push the Adobe Read button click
to show one page at a time to make it behave nicely.   I'm guessing
that the command to keep the purple band from my screen is similar to
the one that would push this button automatically and begin the
document in the one-page-at-a-time mode.  I'm using:

\setupinteraction[state=start,color=,contrastcolor=,focus=???]

and I've tried every value I can think of for ???, but maybe that's
not the solution.
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Re: [NTG-context] Please fill out the following form

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Saunders
 more acrobat and initialization and so ... some of these things change
 per version; which version of acrobat? test file?

I have Adobe Reader 9.3.2, which I think is the latest.  The following test:

\starttext
\dorecurse{1000}{\tooltip[middle]{test}{test}}
\stoptext

produces a pdf which opens up with the purple band at the top.  There
is a button (which doesn't look much like a button) on the left of
this band that will hide it when pressed.  Still I'd like to control
it.

I have a closely-related question.  I'm preparing a document for
screen reading, and I always have to push the Adobe Read button click
to show one page at a time to make it behave nicely.   I'm guessing
that the command to keep the purple band from my screen is similar to
the one that would push this button automatically and begin the
document in the one-page-at-a-time mode.  I'm using:

\setupinteraction[state=start,color=,contrastcolor=,focus=???]

and I've tried every value I can think of for ???, but maybe that's
not the solution.
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Re: [NTG-context] Please fill out the following form

2010-06-04 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Michael Saunders wrote:

more acrobat and initialization and so ... some of these things change
per version; which version of acrobat? test file?


I have Adobe Reader 9.3.2, which I think is the latest.  The following test:

\starttext
\dorecurse{1000}{\tooltip[middle]{test}{test}}
\stoptext

produces a pdf which opens up with the purple band at the top.  There
is a button (which doesn't look much like a button) on the left of
this band that will hide it when pressed.  Still I'd like to control
it.


In my Reader 8, there is a prefs setting:

Edit - Preferences - Forms - Always hide forms document message bar

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Murphy

On 04/06/2010 10:50, luigi scarso wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  wrote:

On 4-6-2010 10:03, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

Whenever I write something I use the language I master most (even if
it's not the most suitable language for that task), so I guess that
must be the reason.


As I said, it started out as a private project, but just wanted to see 
if others found it useful. It is not at all like the 'simplefonts' 
module, since it has absolutely no integration with ConTeXt. It simply 
reads in .otf files and spits out typescripts, which can then be used in 
ConTeXt.


I will try to get an .exe out in the next few days. I'm also starting to 
think that it might be possible to use otfinfo from the lcdf typetools 
to get information about a font, rather than trying to work it out from 
the filename. This might mean being able to use fonts other than those 
from Adobe, which would be nice.


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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:

 I'm also starting to
 think that it might be possible to use otfinfo from the lcdf typetools to
 get information about a font

Just note: you can get an enormous amount of font information with luatex.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Michael Murphy
michael.mur...@uni-ulm.de wrote:
 I will try to get an .exe out in the next few days. I'm also starting to
 think that it might be possible to use otfinfo from the lcdf typetools to
 get information about a font, rather than trying to work it out from the
 filename. This might mean being able to use fonts other than those from
 Adobe, which would be nice.
You can also see
ttx: is written in python
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fonttools/

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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:

 As I said, it started out as a private project, but just wanted to see if
 others found it useful.

What about presenting your work at the ConTeXt conference and in MAPS magazine?

You'll be able to meet the biggest ConTeXt gurus there, learn a lot
from them, Luigi will give you a short lesson on Why I switched from
Python to Lua and The first few steps in Lua for font lovers and
you should be able to work the author of simplefonts module
face-to-face to join the best of his and your work ...

We might even have an official discussion on the schedule about
typescripts and how to simplify and/or improve them.

And of course the delicious Czech beer ...

http://meeting.contextgarden.net/

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 12:21, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


We might even have an official discussion on the schedule about
typescripts and how to simplify and/or improve them.


.. and how those hugs polish font collections spoil any systematic 
approach -)


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Re: [NTG-context] status-of-update.lus

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 10:31, Marius wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:58 AM,je...@jhnet.nl  wrote:

Today first-setup.sh ended with
status-of-update.lus
instead of expected
status-of-update.lua
Is it correct ?


I don't know, but I get the status-of-update.lus file too (Linux 64 bit)



Confirm that this is the case on windows too.


i'll check it


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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 10:23, luigi scarso wrote:


(I hope one day we will end without ruby and perl for mkiv too, if reasonable) .


not much perl used in context tools nowadays and not that much ruby 
either in mkiv related tools



Of course perl, ruby. python,put_your_favorite_language_here
are all goods programming languages
but mixing them together not always make a good pie .


italian restaurants in NL have quite some choices in pizza .. any 
combination possible -)


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:

 I'm also starting to
 think that it might be possible to use otfinfo from the lcdf typetools to
 get information about a font

 Just note: you can get an enormous amount of font information with luatex.
Just a note x you : where is showttf ?



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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:

 As I said, it started out as a private project, but just wanted to see if
 others found it useful.

 What about presenting your work at the ConTeXt conference and in MAPS 
 magazine?

 You'll be able to meet the biggest ConTeXt gurus there, learn a lot
 from them, Luigi will give you a short lesson on Why I switched from
 Python to Lua
Because it's better
That's all folks -- free time now

The best presentation ever, even better than Taco's one at last eurotex meeting.

I switched from python to Lua x context, this is true;
I'm still using it for other tasks, particularly  Plone,
and sometimes sagemath.
It's not a bad language at all.

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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 12:29:32PM +0200, luigi scarso wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Mojca Miklavec
 mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:
 
  As I said, it started out as a private project, but just wanted to see if
  others found it useful.
 
  What about presenting your work at the ConTeXt conference and in MAPS 
  magazine?
 
  You'll be able to meet the biggest ConTeXt gurus there, learn a lot
  from them, Luigi will give you a short lesson on Why I switched from
  Python to Lua
 Because it's better
 That's all folks -- free time now
 
 The best presentation ever, even better than Taco's one at last eurotex 
 meeting.
 
 I switched from python to Lua x context, this is true;
 I'm still using it for other tasks, particularly  Plone,
 and sometimes sagemath.
 It's not a bad language at all.

When it comes to writing non-luatex code, I'll pick python anytime of
the day, a light language with almost no standard library is not what
one always need.


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Re: [NTG-context] Slides: uncover things piecewise

2010-06-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Marco wrote:


On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:02:24 +0200, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr
wrote:


[...]
Perhaps your pdf-viewer does not support javascript.
I use acroread version 9.3.2 


Cheers, Peter

After short research I found out that most pdf readers don't support Java
Script (so do xpdf and sumatra). So, this is not really a portable solution.

Any hints for achieving the same result in a portable way without Java
Script appreciated.


I think that a luatex solution should be easy (for Hans, hint hint).

Collect everything on a page, and do some attribute magic to reveal it one 
by one (or change colors, etc). Personally, I occasionally use a primitive 
and ugly solution


\StartSteps{4}
\startitemize
 \item ...
 \2{\item ...}
 \3{\item ...}
 \4{\item ...}
\stopitemize
\StopSteps

where \StartSteps collects its body, typesets it 4 times. In the first 
iteration, \1 = \donoting, everything else is \gobbleoneargument; in the 
2nd iteration, \1 and \2 = \donothing and so on.


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Re: [NTG-context] floatcombinations, localfloats [mkiv]

2010-06-04 Thread Rogutės Sparnuotos
Marius (2010-06-04 11:30):
 Hello, I can't get it to work too. When we could expect it to be
 fixed? Or maybe somebody knows a work around to place two floats side
 by side?

MkII?

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Re: [NTG-context] Slides: uncover things piecewise

2010-06-04 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Marco wrote:


On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:02:24 +0200, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr
wrote:


[...]
Perhaps your pdf-viewer does not support javascript.
I use acroread version 9.3.2
Cheers, Peter

After short research I found out that most pdf readers don't support Java
Script (so do xpdf and sumatra). So, this is not really a portable 
solution.


Any hints for achieving the same result in a portable way without Java
Script appreciated.


I think that a luatex solution should be easy (for Hans, hint hint).


Collect everything on a page, and do some attribute magic to reveal it 
one by one (or change colors, etc). 


I was thinking the same thing (including the Hans, hint hint bit :))

By hooking into the output routine using attributes, there would be
no problems with environments and/or macro expansion, and even better,
everything has to be typeset only once.


Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] floatcombinations, localfloats [mkiv]

2010-06-04 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Rogutės Sparnuotos wrote:

Marius (2010-06-04 11:30):

Hello, I can't get it to work too. When we could expect it to be
fixed? Or maybe somebody knows a work around to place two floats side
by side?


Looks like the bit of page-str.mkii that dealt with local floats
is not included in page-str.mkiv (which makes sense, as it looks
like it does not belong there).

Copying those macros verbatim into the test file works, so it
is probably just an oversight that they do not appear elsewhere
in mkiv. (see attachment)

Best wishes,
Taco



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Re: [NTG-context] Slides: uncover things piecewise

2010-06-04 Thread Marco
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:44:45 +0200, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr
wrote:

 You can also look here:
 
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/SlideWithSteps
 
 and here:
 
 http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-rsteps
 
 and here:
 
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/RawSteps
 
 and here:
 
 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041106.080646.2544e4f3.html
I tried all your suggestions. Here are the results:

 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/SlideWithSteps
Compiling the example code on this page I get the error
! Use of \dospecialabout doesn't match its definition.

 http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-rsteps
Compiling the example code in the module itself I get the error
! Missing number, treated as zero.

 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041106.080646.2544e4f3.html
Compiling the first example on this page I get the error
! Undefined control sequence.
[...]
l.111 \StopSteps

 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/RawSteps
These examples brought me on the right track. It works almost. Using the
following code you can see that the page counter is messed up. Compare
the results compiled with

context test.tex# page counter messed up
context --mode=nosteps test.tex # page counter OK

\usemodule [rsteps]
\usemodule [simpleslides] [style=ThickStripes]
\startmode [nosteps]
  \let\StartSteps\relax
  \let\StopSteps \relax
  \def\FromStep [#1]#2{#2}
\stopmode
\starttext

\SlideTitle {First Topic} \null
\SlideTitle {Second Topic}
\StartSteps
\startitemize
  \FromStep[1]{\item 1st}
  \FromStep[2]{\item 2nd}
  \FromStep[3]{\item 3rd}
  \FromStep[4]{\item 4th}
\stopitemize
\StopSteps

\SlideTitle {Third Topic} \null
\stoptext

The steps result is as I expected. I get 4 physical pages and I can step
through the items. But the wrong page counter makes the it unusable since
most simpleslides styles use them (on purpose). Maybe it's just a small fix.

I wonder why I have to install the module manually. It is not included in
the minimals. I think this functionality should be integrated into
simpleslides (when the bug is fixed). It would make its use more simple.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Best regards
Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Vnpenguin
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy michael.mur...@uni-ulm.de wrote:
 On 04/06/2010 10:50, luigi scarso wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl  wrote:

 On 4-6-2010 10:03, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 Whenever I write something I use the language I master most (even if
 it's not the most suitable language for that task), so I guess that
 must be the reason.

 As I said, it started out as a private project, but just wanted to see if
 others found it useful. It is not at all like the 'simplefonts' module,
 since it has absolutely no integration with ConTeXt. It simply reads in .otf
 files and spits out typescripts, which can then be used in ConTeXt.

 I will try to get an .exe out in the next few days. I'm also starting to
 think that it might be possible to use otfinfo from the lcdf typetools to
 get information about a font, rather than trying to work it out from the
 filename. This might mean being able to use fonts other than those from
 Adobe, which would be nice.


Although a Perl user, I like your Python script, Michael !

Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] Slides: uncover things piecewise

2010-06-04 Thread Peter Münster
On Fri, Jun 04 2010, Marco wrote:

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/SlideWithSteps
 Compiling the example code on this page I get the error
 ! Use of \dospecialabout doesn't match its definition.

Strange, no problem here...


  http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-rsteps
 Compiling the example code in the module itself I get the error
 ! Missing number, treated as zero.
 
  http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041106.080646.2544e4f3.html
 Compiling the first example on this page I get the error
 ! Undefined control sequence.
 [...]
 l.111 \StopSteps

When you use old code, it's worth the effort to try mkii.

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[NTG-context] \MPpos, pxy, initialize_box(), oh my!

2010-06-04 Thread Adam Fuller

hello all,
i finished a presentation (my first ConTeXt creation!), and now i've got a 
couple days to get creative again.

i'm trying to understand how the typeset lines of text in the MetaPost manual 
were outlined in Section 5.1.  i've just discovered that \MPpos only seems to 
work in MPpositiongraphics, and initialize_box sets `pxy' to \hpos's contents 
bounding box.  what if you want pxy to be not strictly a rectangle, but the 
path that encloses text, etc., which is just part of flowing text in a 
paragraph, like page 247 (beginning of Positional Graphics chapter) in the 
MetaPost manual?

i've read the MetaPost manual.  i hope the answer isn't too obvious.

thanks,
adam
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Murphy

On 04/06/2010 13:16, Khaled Hosny wrote:

On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 12:29:32PM +0200, luigi scarso wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:


As I said, it started out as a private project, but just wanted to see if
others found it useful.


What about presenting your work at the ConTeXt conference and in MAPS magazine?

You'll be able to meet the biggest ConTeXt gurus there, learn a lot
from them, Luigi will give you a short lesson on Why I switched from
Python to Lua

Because it's better
That's all folks -- free time now

The best presentation ever, even better than Taco's one at last eurotex meeting.

I switched from python to Lua x context, this is true;
I'm still using it for other tasks, particularly  Plone,
and sometimes sagemath.
It's not a bad language at all.


When it comes to writing non-luatex code, I'll pick python anytime of
the day, a light language with almost no standard library is not what
one always need.



Oh God, I really didn't want to generate all this fuss, it's really a 
_very_ primitive script. If I have more time, I'll certainly look into 
Lua, but I chose Python because:


a. it handles complicated string operations, io, regex, etc right out of 
the box, all of which were needed.
b. I'm slightly above noob level with python, as opposed to almost every 
other language (except Fortran, which was not exactly a front-runner)
c. I'm rather more than ignorant about almost every other font tool out 
there


I just reckoned that there has got to be a good way of automatically 
writing those long, complicated typescripts. I did start such a thing in 
emacs, but then realised that its not a very portable solution (although 
I do have a whole bunch of macros for converting LaTeX and AMSmath code 
into ConTeXt if anyone is interested).

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Re: [NTG-context] \MPpos, pxy, initialize_box(), oh my!

2010-06-04 Thread Hongwen Qiu

于 2010年06月04日 23:41, Adam Fuller 写道:
initialize_box sets `pxy' to \hpos's contents bounding box. what if 
you want pxy to be not strictly a rectangle, but the path that 
encloses text, etc., which is just part of flowing text in a paragraph
If I'm not misunderstanding some concepts, bounding boxes are sure to be 
rectangles. But why you need `pxy` to not be rectangle. Since you can 
get the center and all the four-corner cordinates (and so it's easy to 
get the diameter if you want to use it as circles or something like that 
latter) of the bounding box, you can construct all kinds of path shapes 
if needed.

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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 18:08, Michael Murphy wrote:
 On 04/06/2010 12:00, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 Just note: you can get an enormous amount of font information with luatex.

 If you can get so much information out of LuaTeX, why do we need typescripts
 in the first place?

1.) The typescripts have been written long before LuaTeX existed.
2.) The typescripts still work is almost exactly the same way as they did before
3.) Your can read a lot of information about a specific font (which
features are available, which glyphs exist etc. etc. etc.), but that
still doesn't give you any information about which fonts you want to
combine together and which features you want to use.

Take Antykwa Półtawskiego. It comes as regular/italic, in 4 weights
(light, normal, medium, bold), in 5 widths (extended, semi-extended,
normal, semi-condensed, condensed), about 5 encodings for MKII. You
need to tell to ConTeXt somehow whether you want to combine light and
medium or normal weight and bold, or maybe normal with semi-extended
bold, you may want the size to adapt automatically when you change
font size. There is also no reliable way to determine which fonts
belong together. You still need to assign a font with a variant
somehow.

Reading info about a font doesn't really solve the problem of being
able to automatically assign rm, bf, bi etc., but I admit that there
*IS* room for improvement for font handling mechanism in a more
user-friendly way (and lua can be of enormous help of course).

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Wrong spacing before and after commas in math(?)

2010-06-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Stefan Müller wrote:


Hi,

if I'm typesetting for example $(a,x,\dots,b)$ I see that the space before the 
x is too small. It should be bigger than the space after the x. I could work 
around it by typing $a,\,x,\dots,\,b$ but this is somewhat inconvenient and 
even a bit too much spacing...

On the other hand, the spacing before \dots is just right, but the spacing after \dots is 
too small: the spaces between commas and periods ,..., should all be the same.

Is this a bug? Can this be changed by a global option or something? Thanks for 
any help in advance.


Does

\setupmathematics[autopunctuation=no] % or yes

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Re: [NTG-context] Slides: uncover things piecewise

2010-06-04 Thread Marco
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:34:25 +0200, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr
wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 04 2010, Marco wrote:
 
   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/SlideWithSteps
  Compiling the example code on this page I get the error
  ! Use of \dospecialabout doesn't match its definition.
 
 Strange, no problem here...
Sorry, my mistake. During copy-paste the $$ vanished. Compiles OK.

   http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-rsteps
  Compiling the example code in the module itself I get the error
  ! Missing number, treated as zero.
  
   http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041106.080646.2544e4f3.html
  Compiling the first example on this page I get the error
  ! Undefined control sequence.
  [...]
  l.111 \StopSteps
 
 When you use old code, it's worth the effort to try mkii.
Yep. The example compiles with mkii. I didn't try since I always work with
mkiv.


Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] floatcombinations, localfloats [mkiv]

2010-06-04 Thread Marius
Thank you, Taco, your code works, but I have one more question.

My figures are placed side by side and its captions overlap, because I set

\setupcaptions  [width=0.8\textwidth]

How to set width parameter just for the captions of floatcombination?



On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote:
 Rogutės Sparnuotos wrote:

 Marius (2010-06-04 11:30):

 Hello, I can't get it to work too. When we could expect it to be
 fixed? Or maybe somebody knows a work around to place two floats side
 by side?

 Looks like the bit of page-str.mkii that dealt with local floats
 is not included in page-str.mkiv (which makes sense, as it looks
 like it does not belong there).

 Copying those macros verbatim into the test file works, so it
 is probably just an oversight that they do not appear elsewhere
 in mkiv. (see attachment)

 Best wishes,
 Taco
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[NTG-context] XITS Math font - first beata

2010-06-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
As promised, the OpenType MATH enriched version of STIX fonts, XITS,
is now available.

This early version provides:
* OpenType math constants values, necessary for proper layout of
various
  math elements.
* proper math accent positioning.
* proper sub/superscript positioning (not fine tuned yet).
* extensible radicals, delimiters and math accents.
* oldstyle figures.
* some pre-composed fraction.

Tarball can be downloaded from:
http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/downloads

Feature requests, bug reports and fixes, should be directed to the issue
tracker:
http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/issues

Against the practice of STIX project, this version have not been
extensively tested, only few basic tests through ConTeXt MkIV were
done. Instead, in the spirit of open development model, I'm releasing
early and often and trusting that thee are many people with more
knowledge of math aesthetics and sharp eyes to spot error better than
what I can ever do. Others are highly welcomed to test against other
OpenType MATH implementations, namely unicode-math (with both XeTeX and
LuaTeX) and MS Office 2007 and higher.

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Script to automatically generate typescripts

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 6:08, Michael Murphy wrote:

On 04/06/2010 12:00, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:52, Michael Murphy wrote:


I'm also starting to
think that it might be possible to use otfinfo from the lcdf
typetools to
get information about a font


Just note: you can get an enormous amount of font information with
luatex.



If you can get so much information out of LuaTeX, why do we need
typescripts in the first place?


because it's the only watertight way; other approaches use heuristics

it all depends on the situation

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Re: [NTG-context] XITS Math font - first beata

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 8:30, Khaled Hosny wrote:

As promised, the OpenType MATH enriched version of STIX fonts, XITS,
is now available.

This early version provides:
* OpenType math constants values, necessary for proper layout of
various
   math elements.
* proper math accent positioning.
* proper sub/superscript positioning (not fine tuned yet).
* extensible radicals, delimiters and math accents.
* oldstyle figures.
* some pre-composed fraction.

Tarball can be downloaded from:
http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/downloads

Feature requests, bug reports and fixes, should be directed to the issue
tracker:
http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/issues

Against the practice of STIX project, this version have not been
extensively tested, only few basic tests through ConTeXt MkIV were
done. Instead, in the spirit of open development model, I'm releasing
early and often and trusting that thee are many people with more
knowledge of math aesthetics and sharp eyes to spot error better than
what I can ever do. Others are highly welcomed to test against other
OpenType MATH implementations, namely unicode-math (with both XeTeX and
LuaTeX) and MS Office 2007 and higher.


for testers:

\starttypescript [math] [xits] [name]
  \definefontsynonym[MathRoman][file:xits-math.otf] [features=math]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[xits]
  \definetypeface [xits] [rm] [serif] [termes] [default]
  \definetypeface [xits] [ss] [sans]  [heros]  [default] [rscale=0.9]
  \definetypeface [xits] [tt] [mono]  [modern] [default] [rscale=1.05]
  \definetypeface [xits] [mm] [math]  [xits]   [default]
\stoptypescript



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Re: [NTG-context] XITS Math font - first beta

2010-06-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 08:37:31PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
 
 for testers:
 
 \starttypescript [math] [xits] [name]
   \definefontsynonym[MathRoman][file:xits-math.otf] [features=math]

\mathsizesuffix is needed for proper prime size:

\definefontsynonym[MathRoman][file:xits-math.otf] [features=math\mathsizesuffix]

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Re: [NTG-context] Wrong spacing before and after commas in math(?)

2010-06-04 Thread Yury G. Kudryashov
Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Stefan Müller wrote:
 
 if I'm typesetting for example $(a,x,\dots,b)$ I see that the space
 before the x is too small.
 Does
 
 \setupmathematics[autopunctuation=no] % or yes
 
 give better result? (Are you using MKIV or MKII)?
I had a similar issue with MKIV. autopunctuation=no fixed it for me.


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[NTG-context] new beta

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

Hi,

I uploaded a new beta to the website (will be synced with the garden 
minimals). I'm in the process of removing old code that is no longer 
needed (after all, luatex evolves).


As part of the process there has been some changes in the generation of 
the format. It works ok on my machine (windows 7) and Taco's (linux). It 
might be that some things are broken but I see no immediate problems.


Keep in mind that as we're now in beta mode again, we also need luatex  
0.60 and we will deviate from the tex live current. Best not drop files 
from the beta into the upcoming tex live but use a separate tree. The 
next current will be around the context meeting when we also plan to 
have luatex 0.70+.


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Re: [NTG-context] XITS Math font - first beta

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 8:46, Khaled Hosny wrote:

On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 08:37:31PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:


for testers:

\starttypescript [math] [xits] [name]
   \definefontsynonym[MathRoman][file:xits-math.otf] [features=math]


\mathsizesuffix is needed for proper prime size:

\definefontsynonym[MathRoman][file:xits-math.otf] [features=math\mathsizesuffix]


fixed. btw, starting one of these days the minimals will carry the xits 
fonts


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Re: [NTG-context] Wrong spacing before and after commas in math(?)

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 8:55, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:

Aditya Mahajan wrote:


On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Stefan Müller wrote:


if I'm typesetting for example $(a,x,\dots,b)$ I see that the space
before the x is too small.

Does

\setupmathematics[autopunctuation=no] % or yes

give better result? (Are you using MKIV or MKII)?

I had a similar issue with MKIV. autopunctuation=no fixed it for me.


the default setup is for coordinates

eventually we will have layer that implements settings for specific 
fields as each demand their own rules (same for symbols)


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Re: [NTG-context] floatcombinations, localfloats [mkiv]

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 4-6-2010 3:39, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Rogutės Sparnuotos wrote:

Marius (2010-06-04 11:30):

Hello, I can't get it to work too. When we could expect it to be
fixed? Or maybe somebody knows a work around to place two floats side
by side?


Looks like the bit of page-str.mkii that dealt with local floats
is not included in page-str.mkiv (which makes sense, as it looks
like it does not belong there).

Copying those macros verbatim into the test file works, so it
is probably just an oversight that they do not appear elsewhere
in mkiv. (see attachment)



ok, will be fixed in next beta

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Re: [NTG-context] \section{\inmargin{}} doesn't work in MkIV

2010-06-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 2-6-2010 10:35, Rogutės Sparnuotos wrote:

I've quickly run a (MkII) document under MkIV after updating to
2010.05.27, but it didn't compile (perhaps this is related to the other
interaction bugs in MkIV):

\setupinteraction[state=start]
\starttext
\section{\inmargin{}}
\stoptext


using inmargin inside a title is sort of unpredictable

\margintitle{...}

\section{...}

with margintext=yes in the head setup might work better


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Re: [NTG-context] floatcombinations, localfloats [mkiv]

2010-06-04 Thread Rogutės Sparnuotos
Marius (2010-06-04 21:25):
 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote:
  Rogutės Sparnuotos wrote:
 
  Marius (2010-06-04 11:30):
 
  Hello, I can't get it to work too. When we could expect it to be
  fixed? Or maybe somebody knows a work around to place two floats side
  by side?
 
  Looks like the bit of page-str.mkii that dealt with local floats
  is not included in page-str.mkiv (which makes sense, as it looks
  like it does not belong there).
 
  Copying those macros verbatim into the test file works, so it
  is probably just an oversight that they do not appear elsewhere
  in mkiv. (see attachment)

 Thank you, Taco, your code works, but I have one more question.
 
 My figures are placed side by side and its captions overlap, because I set
 
 \setupcaptions  [width=0.8\textwidth]
 
 How to set width parameter just for the captions of floatcombination? 

Most settings between

  \start
  \stop

are local, so you can simply do

\placefigure[none]{}{
  \startfloatcombination[2*1]
\setupcaptions[width=fit]
\placefigure[here]{}{\externalfigure[01]}
\placefigure[here]{}{\externalfigure[02]}
  \stopfloatcombination
}

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[NTG-context] updating context don´t work anymo re on mac os x snow leopard

2010-06-04 Thread Bernhard Rosensteiner
Hi all,

today i tried to update context and also updated first-setup.sh and now i get 
in terminal:

Bernhards-MacBook-Pro:ConTeXt Bernhard$ rsync -av 
rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
receiving file list ... done

sent 37 bytes  received 91 bytes  256.00 bytes/sec
total size is 3573  speedup is 27.91
Bernhards-MacBook-Pro:ConTeXt Bernhard$ . /Applications/ConTeXt/first-setup.sh 
receiving file list ... done

sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
total size is 5363753  speedup is 31738.18
/Applications/ConTeXt/bin/mtxrun:1932: bad argument #1 to 'osgetenv' (string 
expected, got boolean)

When you want to use context, you need to initialize the tree by typing:

  . /Applications/ConTeXt/tex/setuptex

in your shell or add
  /Applications/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin
to PATH variable if you want to set it permanently.
This can usually be done in .bashrc, .bash_profile
(or whatever file is used to initialize your shell).


i don´t know where the problem lies (obviously mtxrun is complaining). 
the last update i did worked normal (ConTeXt  ver: 2010.05.24 13:05 MKIV  fmt: 
2010.6.1)
Please help!

best regards
Bernhard



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Re: [NTG-context] updating context don´t work anymore on mac os x snow leopard

2010-06-04 Thread Marco
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:06:33 +0200, Bernhard Rosensteiner
brosenstei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 today i tried to update context and also updated first-setup.sh and
 now i get in terminal:
 
 Bernhards-MacBook-Pro:ConTeXt Bernhard$ rsync -av
 rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh . receiving
 file list ... done
 
 sent 37 bytes  received 91 bytes  256.00 bytes/sec
 total size is 3573  speedup is 27.91
 Bernhards-MacBook-Pro:ConTeXt
 Bernhard$ . /Applications/ConTeXt/first-setup.sh receiving file
 list ... done
 
 sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
 total size is 5363753  speedup is 31738.18
 /Applications/ConTeXt/bin/mtxrun:1932: bad argument #1 to
 'osgetenv' (string expected, got boolean)
Error confirmed on linux32.

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] updating context don´t work anymore on mac os x snow leopard

2010-06-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Dear Bernhard  others,

Thanks a lot for reporting the problem.

Please wait for a fix from Hans or (in case that you need to update
for some reason) first disable updating stuff in bin (comment out a
line in first-setup) and then copy the old mtxrun from
tex/texmf-yourplatform/bin to bin/.

If I start fixing/messing up with the system now (at this time of the
day), I'll screw up something else for sure.

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[NTG-context] 3. Re: \MPpos, pxy, initialize_box(), oh my! (Hongwen Qiu)

2010-06-04 Thread Adam Fuller



On 5/06/2010 6:31 a.m., ntg-context-requ...@ntg.nl wrote:

3. Re: \MPpos, pxy, initialize_box(), oh my! (Hongwen Qiu)


hi hongwen,
thanks for taking an interest.

my initial post had a mistake:  i meant to refer to the /Metafun/ manual, not 
the Metapost manual.  that probably didn't help.

i guess what i should have said is, i know that pxy can give me the bounding 
/box/ (the rectangle with the maximum horizontal and vertical extents of its 
contents, be they set in horizontal or vertical mode), but can it give me the 
subset of that, the bounding /path/, if you will, when the contents are text 
which flows over several lines.  the bounding /path/ may not be rectangular, 
although it will be something like the union of the bounding boxes of the 
text's individual lines.

i think if you look at the correct reference, the difference of the effects is 
clear.  i think the challenge is that you don't know where the line breaks will 
occur until you typeset it.   --adam
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