[NTG-context] context vs texinfo

2010-07-08 Thread Shiv Shankar Dayal
Hi,

I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.

Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?

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Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo

2010-07-08 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal
shivshankar.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
 approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
 Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?
Do you have an example ?

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Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo

2010-07-08 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Hi,

Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
 approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.

A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a
document with  'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a
second! :)

 Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?

Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second
half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower
thanks to extra complexity.

I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo
cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there
are a few other reasons as well:

* context usually needs three runs the very first time you process
a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it
does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex
until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well,
often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one
run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link.

* context typically is set up to use much larger values for the
internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You
can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint
to just what is needed for your own typical document types
(dont forget to regenerate the formats).

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo

2010-07-08 Thread R. Bastian
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 02:54:40 -0400
Shiv Shankar Dayal shivshankar.da...@gmail.com scribit:

 Hi,
 
 I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
 approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
 
 Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Shiv Shankar Dayal

WORKING WITH lINUX:

May be your context-path is bad.

Open a console.
Try to find the file setuptex
Then source THE_PATH_FOUND/setuptex

The tip is somewhere in the contextgarden.


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www.musiques-rb.org
http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk/


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[NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity

2010-07-08 Thread Alan BRASLAU
This is totally off-topic:
but given the fairly strong Dutch implication
in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising
that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down
recently.

Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else
on the mailing list, either...

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] context vs texinfo

2010-07-08 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal
shivshankar.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
 approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
 Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?

 --
 Best regards,
 Shiv Shankar Dayal
texinfo is not able to do this
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf
while context can easily mimic texinfo, at least for pdf ouput.
Anyway, without an example it's like compare apples with oranges.


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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Vnpenguin
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom t...@tuxedo-press.com wrote:
 What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who
 writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills.
 He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever
 and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates.
 Problems would far outweigh additional features for him.


ConTeXt is under development, so IMHO there is no stable version.
If you need it you have to live with it, no choice :-)

Maybe ConTeXt minimal (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals) ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Vnpenguin vnpeng...@vnoss.org wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom t...@tuxedo-press.com wrote:
 What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who
 writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills.
 He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever
 and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates.
 Problems would far outweigh additional features for him.


 ConTeXt is under development, so IMHO there is no stable version.
 If you need it you have to live with it, no choice :-)

 Maybe ConTeXt minimal (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals) ?
ConTeXt mkii is *stable*
ConTeXt mkiv is under very active development,  so it's unstable --- but usable.

Both come with minimals.


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Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity

2010-07-08 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 This is totally off-topic:

  Well, this is OK, it does not harm to mix Apple and Oranjes from time
to time ;-)

Arthur
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Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity

2010-07-08 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8-7-2010 9:49, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

This is totally off-topic:
but given the fairly strong Dutch implication
in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising
that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down
recently.

Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else
on the mailing list, either...


When I was at tug our main (rather new) NAS crashed (used for internal 
use as well as projects). Then, when back, I set up the backup one (also 
new) and it crashed as well. So, I ended up with installing yet another 
one (this time I took our fallback app server). In the process I need to 
redo backup schedules etc as well (as other machines now have to be 
used). This all happens in jet-lag mode.


So, next week I hope to be back to context etc.

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote:
 What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who
 writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming skills.
 He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever
 and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent updates.
 Problems would far outweigh additional features for him.

TeX Live 2010 should work fine.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Tom




-Original Message-
From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On
Behalf Of Mojca Miklavec
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:14 AM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 02:03, Tom wrote:
 What would be the best version of ConTeXt to recommend to a friend who
 writes novels on a PC running Windows? The person has no programming
skills.
 He would probably require some assistance installing Tex-Live or whatever
 and would need a stable version because he couldn't manage frequent
updates.
 Problems would far outweigh additional features for him.

TeX Live 2010 should work fine.

Mojca


I don't expect there will be much ConTeXt activity from our Dutch friends
today due to the big game, but I will risk a question anyway.

From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only?

The Wiki suggests that command-line and GUI installers can be downloaded
from there and that either a stable or beta version can be selected from
either of the installers. Is this the recommended method for non-technical
types to get Tex Live? I assume that the beta version is the latest 2010
version, bugs and all, and that the stable version is the one suggested by
Mojca and is close to the one that Taco says will go physical in September.
Will anything else, such as Ruby, be required? 

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Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity

2010-07-08 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Thursday 08 July 2010 10:33:08 Hans Hagen wrote:
 On 8-7-2010 9:49, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
  This is totally off-topic:
  but given the fairly strong Dutch implication
  in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising
  that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down
  recently.
  
  Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else
  on the mailing list, either...
 
 When I was at tug our main (rather new) NAS crashed (used for internal
 use as well as projects). Then, when back, I set up the backup one (also
 new) and it crashed as well. So, I ended up with installing yet another
 one (this time I took our fallback app server). In the process I need to
 redo backup schedules etc as well (as other machines now have to be
 used). This all happens in jet-lag mode.
 
 So, next week I hope to be back to context etc.
 
 Hans

Oh! I thought that you were off in South Africa... :)

No, seriously, I hope that you did not misunderstand.
My post was not a complaint, not at all.
Rather an acknowledgment of the success of Holland
(and of Spain) so far.

Alan

P.S. Nevertheless, now that you are back and your servers
back on line, we expect ALL outstanding bugs to be quickly
and expertly resolved.
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Thursday 08 July 2010 13:54:57 Tom wrote:
 
 I don't expect there will be much ConTeXt activity from our Dutch friends
 today due to the big game, but I will risk a question anyway.

The BIG game will be on Sunday.

 
 From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only?
 

At least the Americans went much further than the French!

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] OT: mailing list activity

2010-07-08 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8-7-2010 2:16, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

On Thursday 08 July 2010 10:33:08 Hans Hagen wrote:

On 8-7-2010 9:49, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

This is totally off-topic:
but given the fairly strong Dutch implication
in creating ConTeXt, it may not be surprising
that traffic on the mailing list has slowed-down
recently.

Not to ruffle the feathers of everyone else
on the mailing list, either...


When I was at tug our main (rather new) NAS crashed (used for internal
use as well as projects). Then, when back, I set up the backup one (also
new) and it crashed as well. So, I ended up with installing yet another
one (this time I took our fallback app server). In the process I need to
redo backup schedules etc as well (as other machines now have to be
used). This all happens in jet-lag mode.

So, next week I hope to be back to context etc.

Hans


Oh! I thought that you were off in South Africa... :)


no way


No, seriously, I hope that you did not misunderstand.
My post was not a complaint, not at all.
Rather an acknowledgment of the success of Holland
(and of Spain) so far.


well, i must admit that i haven't seen any match -)


P.S. Nevertheless, now that you are back and your servers
back on line, we expect ALL outstanding bugs to be quickly
and expertly resolved.


i'll give 'm a try at sunday -)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 13:54, Tom wrote:

 From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only?

http://www.tug.org/texlive/pretest.html
http://www.tug.org/texlive/mirmon/

 I assume that the beta version is the latest 2010
 version, bugs and all, and that the stable version is the one suggested by
 Mojca and is close to the one that Taco says will go physical in September.

Yes, Taco only said that DVDs will be sent to members in September.

 Will anything else, such as Ruby, be required?

Ruby is not needed for MkIV, but if he is planning to use MKII, you'll
want to install Ruby anyway.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/7/8 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 Yes, Taco only said that DVDs will be sent to members in September.

Images will be available in August.

Best
   Martin
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[NTG-context] writetolist causes mystery blank

2010-07-08 Thread Michael Murphy

Hi all,

I'm having a but of a problem using writetolist. In principle, I want to 
insert something into the table of contents, but I don't want to disturb 
the flow of the text. Unfortunately, the following code seems to 
generate a blank at the top of the page:


\showframe
\showmakeup

\starttext
\writetolist[section]{}{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext

I've also tried using a section command where the output has been set to 
empty:


\showframe
\showmakeup

\setuphead[section][
  before=,
  after=,
  command=\mydonothing]

\def\mydonothing#1#2{}

\starttext
\section{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext

but that also gets me a blank. Incidentally, the same thing happens with 
writebetweenlist, (except that this seems to sometimes push content onto 
a new page for some reason).


Any ideas?

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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Tom

-Original Message-
From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On
Behalf Of Mojca Miklavec
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:21 AM
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 13:54, Tom wrote:

 From which site should Americans download Tex Live 2010? Minimals only?

http://www.tug.org/texlive/pretest.html
http://www.tug.org/texlive/mirmon/

 I assume that the beta version is the latest 2010
 version, bugs and all, and that the stable version is the one suggested by
 Mojca and is close to the one that Taco says will go physical in
September.

Yes, Taco only said that DVDs will be sent to members in September.

 Will anything else, such as Ruby, be required?

Ruby is not needed for MkIV, but if he is planning to use MKII, you'll
want to install Ruby anyway.

Mojca

I get very confused by all the different versions. For starters, what is Tex
Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? The TUG site has
Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is distributed on DVDs
to TUG members. I get the impression that other Context compilers for lack
of a better term exist and that Context Minimals is a stripped down version
of a more powerful one. How far off track am I?



Tom Benjey
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717-243-0074 fax
Twitter: @TomBenjey


 


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Re: [NTG-context] writetolist causes mystery blank

2010-07-08 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8-7-2010 7:33, Michael Murphy wrote:

Hi all,

I'm having a but of a problem using writetolist. In principle, I want to
insert something into the table of contents, but I don't want to disturb
the flow of the text. Unfortunately, the following code seems to
generate a blank at the top of the page:


mkii or mkiv or both?



\showframe
\showmakeup

\starttext
\writetolist[section]{}{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext

I've also tried using a section command where the output has been set to
empty:

\showframe
\showmakeup

\setuphead[section][
before=,
after=,
command=\mydonothing]

\def\mydonothing#1#2{}

\starttext
\section{}%
\framed{This box has been pushed down}
\stoptext

but that also gets me a blank. Incidentally, the same thing happens with
writebetweenlist, (except that this seems to sometimes push content onto
a new page for some reason).

Any ideas?




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Re: [NTG-context] writetolist causes mystery blank

2010-07-08 Thread Michael Murphy

I'm having a but of a problem using writetolist. In principle, I want to
insert something into the table of contents, but I don't want to disturb
the flow of the text. Unfortunately, the following code seems to
generate a blank at the top of the page:


mkii or mkiv or both?


It looks like it only happens on mkiv.

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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm

Am 2010-07-08 um 20:54 schrieb Tom:

I get very confused by all the different versions.


You asked for the best version, so we supposed you'd know several.


For starters, what is Tex
Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? The TUG  
site has
Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is distributed  
on DVDs
to TUG members. I get the impression that other Context compilers  
for lack
of a better term exist and that Context Minimals is a stripped down  
version

of a more powerful one. How far off track am I?


There are only 2 different versions of ConTeXt, called Mark II and  
Mark IV (MkII, MkIV). They are always distributed together and still  
share a lot of code.
MkII is stable, MkIV is the development version with several enhanced  
features and a completely new font handling.


There are 3 different engines for TeX that work with ConTeXt: pdfTeX,  
XeTeX and LuaTeX. MkIV works only with LuaTeX, MkII with any. Font  
setups (typescripts) differ per engine.


There are several distributions of TeX that contain ConTeXt, the most  
notable are TeX Live (jointly published by most TeX User Groups of the  
world) and MikTeX (Windows only). If you don't need LaTeX, we suggest  
our ConTeXt minimals distribution - at least for MkIV, because it's  
always the most up-to-date one.
Minimals is in no way stripped down (even if it was meant to be a  
bare bones ConTeXt distro), but contains even several tools and free  
fonts.

Most distributions contain all engines.

MkII ist called by texexec (a Ruby script, i.e. you need Ruby  
installed), MkIV ist called by context (a Lua script, directly  
executed by LuaTeX).



Greetlings from Lake Constance!
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Tom
-Original Message-
From: ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-boun...@ntg.nl] On
Behalf Of Henning Hraban Ramm
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

Am 2010-07-08 um 20:54 schrieb Tom:
 I get very confused by all the different versions.

You asked for the best version, so we supposed you'd know several.

 For starters, what is Tex
 Live? Is it the full blown Context or is it something else? The TUG  
 site has
 Tex Live 2009 which I assume is a stable version that is distributed  
 on DVDs
 to TUG members. I get the impression that other Context compilers  
 for lack
 of a better term exist and that Context Minimals is a stripped down  
 version
 of a more powerful one. How far off track am I?

There are only 2 different versions of ConTeXt, called Mark II and  
Mark IV (MkII, MkIV). They are always distributed together and still  
share a lot of code.
MkII is stable, MkIV is the development version with several enhanced  
features and a completely new font handling.

There are 3 different engines for TeX that work with ConTeXt: pdfTeX,  
XeTeX and LuaTeX. MkIV works only with LuaTeX, MkII with any. Font  
setups (typescripts) differ per engine.

There are several distributions of TeX that contain ConTeXt, the most  
notable are TeX Live (jointly published by most TeX User Groups of the  
world) and MikTeX (Windows only). If you don't need LaTeX, we suggest  
our ConTeXt minimals distribution - at least for MkIV, because it's  
always the most up-to-date one.
Minimals is in no way stripped down (even if it was meant to be a  
bare bones ConTeXt distro), but contains even several tools and free  
fonts.
Most distributions contain all engines.

MkII ist called by texexec (a Ruby script, i.e. you need Ruby  
installed), MkIV ist called by context (a Lua script, directly  
executed by LuaTeX).


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
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http://wiki.contextgarden.net
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Thank you for being so concise, Hraban. This helps a lot.

Tom Benjey
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Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-08 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On 2010-07-08, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:

 Context Minimals is context-only TeX distribution. If you don't need
 LaTeX, you can use minimals, else install TeXLive 2010 (context Mark IV is
 broken in TeXLive 2009).

But it is true that minimals sometimes break. TL won't change for at
least a year and installing context scheme (or minimal scheme with
context package) doesn't install LaTeX and is hardly bigger than
minimals with all the engines and fonts.

ConTeXt in MikTeX doesn't work any more, at least not until version 2.9 is out.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] horizontal alignment

2010-07-08 Thread Michael Goerz
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to do some horizontal alignment, for typesetting poetry.
There are lines that are continuations of the previous line, and should
be aligned to the end of that previous line. Currently, I'm doing this
by using \phantom text, which for some reason I also have to wrap into
an \mbox to avoid a line break. As an example:

\startlines
here we now see you ~~  already in grief
as you see ~~  yourselves ~~  as the last of the lasts
we are mirrors of your consciousness
\mbox{\phantom{we are mirrors of your consciousness} as you see the end}
and you see us ~~ deep in the spring of the universe
seeing you deep ~~ in the gravity well of the heat death
we are dying ~~ in the spring as we watch you die
we are grieving in the spring as you begin to grieve for all
we are talking about bone-dry at the bottom of the well of time
we are already parched
\mbox{\phantom{we are already parched} for time is transparent}
and we are all rats in the glassy
\mbox{\phantom{and we are all rats in the glassy} labyrinth of time.
\stoplines

How would you solve this kind of problem? I've considered defining a
macro \BrokenLine[line1][line2] that does the above. But, there are
also instances where there are two or more lines as a continuation of
one previous line. Maybe there is a possibility to mark a horizontal
position temporarily, and then jump to that position later?

Thanks,
Michael
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