Re: [NTG-context] Best version of ConTeXt

2010-07-09 Thread Taco Hoekwater

On 07/08/2010 11:10 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:


There are only 2 different versions of ConTeXt, called Mark II and Mark
IV (MkII, MkIV). They are always distributed together and still share a
lot of code.
MkII is stable, MkIV is the development version with several enhanced
features and a completely new font handling.


I've added a FAQ entry based on this reply:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_does_ConTeXt_versioning_work.3F

Best wishes,
Taco
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[NTG-context] Installing Context Minimals on Windows

2010-07-09 Thread John Devereux

Hi,

I normally use linux, but I now need to install context on Windows (7).

Right now the minimals installation fails for me in various ways,
depending on how I do it.

Running the graphical installer I get two dialogs 

update failed error code 1 and make failed error code 1.

Using the command line method I get a message about a vtable error when
I try to run context. (It looked like the one mentioned in earlier
postings, sorry I don't have the exact message now).

I want just MKIV + extras (and intend to try TexWorks).

Any hints appreciated.

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Re: [NTG-context] horizontal alignment

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Murphy

On 09/07/10 01:32, Michael Goerz wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to do some horizontal alignment, for typesetting poetry.
How would you solve this kind of problem? I've considered defining a
macro \BrokenLine[line1][line2] that does the above. But, there are
also instances where there are two or more lines as a continuation of
one previous line. Maybe there is a possibility to mark a horizontal
position temporarily, and then jump to that position later?


Didn't know you were into ConTeXt...

Anyway, this is a crappy solution and you could probably make it better. 
As far as I'm aware, there is no way to get the current horizontal 
position across the page at any particular moment. The method below 
essentially just measures the length of the line that you want to enter, 
and sets this as the indent.


\dimendef\indentl=10

\def\savewidth#1{%
  \setbox0=\hbox{#1}%
  \copy0%
  \indentl=\wd0%
}

\def\addtosavewidth#1{%
  \setbox0=\hbox{#1}%
  \mindent\copy0%
  \advance\indentl by \wd0%
}

\def\mindent{\hskip\indentl}

\starttext
\startlines
  here we now see you ~~  already in grief
  as you see ~~  yourselves ~~  as the last of the lasts
  \savewidth{we are mirrors of your consciousness }
  \mindent as you see the end
  \savewidth{and you see us ~~ deep }
  \addtosavewidth{in }
  \addtosavewidth{the spring }
  \mindent of the universe
  seeing you deep ~~ in the gravity well of the heat death
  we are dying ~~ in the spring as we watch you die
  we are grieving in the spring as you begin to grieve for all
  we are talking about bone-dry at the bottom of the well of time
  \savewidth{we are already parched }
  \mindent for time is transparent
  \savewidth{and we are all rats in the glassy }
  \mindent labyrinth of time.
  \stoplines
\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] Installing Context Minimals on Windows

2010-07-09 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52, John Devereux wrote:

 Using the command line method I get a message about a vtable error when
 I try to run context. (It looked like the one mentioned in earlier
 postings, sorry I don't have the exact message now).

Does it help if you re-download the zip (for the command-line approach)?

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Re: [NTG-context] Installing Context Minimals on Windows

2010-07-09 Thread John Devereux
Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com writes:

 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:52, John Devereux wrote:

 Using the command line method I get a message about a vtable error when
 I try to run context. (It looked like the one mentioned in earlier
 postings, sorry I don't have the exact message now).

 Does it help if you re-download the zip (for the command-line approach)?

I tried that.

But I tried it again, and got something different for some reason, the

unknown script context.lua... message.

After a few attempts it looks like for me I need to initialise with a plain:

  tex\setuptex.bat (as per wiki)

rather than 

  c:\context\tex\setuptex.bat c:\context\tex

(Which is what I was told to do by first-setup.bat)

And then it is working!

Thanks,

John


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Re: [NTG-context] m-barcodes error

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Green

On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 07.07.10 20:34, schrieb Hans Hagen:

On 7-7-2010 7:35, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Am 07.07.10 19:18, schrieb Michael Green:

I can’t get the example in the m-barcodes module to work. I have no
urgent need to print barcodes; I was just curious. I'm writing  
in case

I found an easily corrected bug.

The release notes from 2010.05.08 call this module mkiv only. But
according to the log, the file m-pstricks.mkii is used. And that  
seems

to be the proximate cause of the error.


The barcode module use pstricks and this requires the pstricks  
module
which works only with mkii because the tex file is first  
converted to

postscript and afterwards to pdf. pstricks a separate package (from
Hebrbert Voß) and not included in the minimals.


it should work with mkiv as well but differently


but there is no pstricks pache in the minimals, maybe i make one  
with the required files but not today


Wolfgang




OK. I thought I had installed the relevant files by hand. But it  
appears to be more complex than I realized. Thanks for explaining it  
to me.


Michael
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[NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Talbot-Wilson

I've just installed ConTeXt minimal and had a look at ConTeXt, The
Manual.  I typed in the example document that starts at the bottom of
page 13 (called it eg.tex) and ran context.  It produced the file
eg.pdf and I notice that it ran luatex with the option
--backend=pdf.

Thanks, those who have done massive amounts of advanced work on
ConTeXt and luatex, huge projects which are costing me nothing.  But,
I have a problem.

I have a PostScript printer.  I'd prefer not to have to run pdf2ps.

How can ps output be produced directly?  context --backend=ps eg
doesn't do it and there is nothing about --backend or other options in
the index, of ConTeXt, The Manual, as far as I can see.  There's no
Reference/en/backend on the wiki.
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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Michael Talbot-Wilson m...@view.net.au wrote:
 I've just installed ConTeXt minimal and had a look at ConTeXt, The
 Manual.  I typed in the example document that starts at the bottom of
 page 13 (called it eg.tex) and ran context.  It produced the file
 eg.pdf and I notice that it ran luatex with the option
 --backend=pdf.

 Thanks, those who have done massive amounts of advanced work on
 ConTeXt and luatex, huge projects which are costing me nothing.  But,
 I have a problem.

 I have a PostScript printer.  I'd prefer not to have to run pdf2ps.
Does not AdobeReader help here ?

 How can ps output be produced directly?  context --backend=ps eg
 doesn't do it and there is nothing about --backend or other options in
 the index, of ConTeXt,
pdf and dvi are  the only backend .
In mkiv (I suppose you are using mkiv because of  context )
the pdf backend is actually the only backend.

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Re: [NTG-context] installing metauml in context

2010-07-09 Thread Kevin D. Robbins
Hi all,

I am also interested in using MetaUML with ConTeXt mkiv. I tried compiling
the attached test-metauml.tex with the versions (I updated today):

MTXrun | main context file:
/opt/context/beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex
MTXrun | current version: 2010.06.23 12:45

and

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.2-2010070309

I get the result in the attached test-metauml.pdf, still with the wrong
alignment.

I also tried building the MetaUML graphic in a separate test-metauml.mp file
using mpost -mem=mpost.mem test-metauml.mp (I changed the default font in
metauml_defaults.mp to cmtt12) and the left alignment was correct, but the
background boxes were no longer wide enough so that the text overran the box
background.

Kevin

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 On 17-5-2010 8:49, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote:

 Hi all,

 Thanks a lot for this help. I tried again with modifications and it is
 working
 with wrong alignment. I am tried using simplefonts like


 also in the latest beta?


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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/7/9 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 pdf and dvi are  the only backend .
 In mkiv (I suppose you are using mkiv because of  context )
 the pdf backend is actually the only backend.

Luigi has summarized it pretty much. Even though LuaTeX can actually
produce DVI, I'm not sure if it can be called to do so from ConTeXt.

On the other hand, MkII provides --dvi switch which actually produces
ps using dvips, so you can try that.

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[NTG-context] parsing issue with \math{} inside natural table

2010-07-09 Thread Brian R. Landy
Hi, I ran into a case where a natural table has an issue when it 
contains inline math and an alignment character is used.  Here's a small 
example which triggers the problem:


\starttext
\bTABLE
\bTABLEbody
\bTR
\bTD[alignmentcharacter={.},aligncharacter=yes]{\le 4.0\math{-}}\eTD
\eTR
\eTABLEbody
\eTABLE
\stoptext

However, if I replace \math{-} with $-$, the file works.  Am I correct 
that $-$ and \math{-} should be interchangeable?


Thanks,
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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Talbot-Wilson

On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Vedran Mileti?~G wrote:


2010/7/9 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
pdf and dvi are ??the only backend .
In mkiv (I suppose you are using mkiv because of ??context )
the pdf backend is actually the only backend.


Luigi has summarized it pretty much. Even though LuaTeX can actually
produce DVI, I'm not sure if it can be called to do so from ConTeXt.

On the other hand, MkII provides --dvi switch which actually produces
ps using dvips, so you can try that.


Thanks for your reply.  Both.  But Luigi seems to say LuaTeX can NOT
actually produce DVI.  Or is that just ConTeXt?  With minimals I can't
run luatex directly.  It wants a format file that is not there.
Presumably maximals has it.  So I can't try using luatex
--backend=dvi hello_world directly on my hello_world.tex to see if
that option's supported.

The LuaTeX Reference has not yet achieved an index and I don't know
where else a list of luatex command line options might be found.

But if there is no dvi or final ps output I think perhaps ConTeXt is
not for me just now.  Something Unix-oriented would be more usable.
Something alien will throw up other problems.

Oh, yes.  May have a look at MkII.  But does it use LuaTeX?  The
possibility of easy macros in Lua rather than difficult macros in TeX
would be one attraction of ConTeXt.  Maybe Eplain LuaTeX is what I
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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Michael Talbot-Wilson m...@view.net.au wrote:
 Thanks for your reply.  Both.  But Luigi seems to say LuaTeX can NOT
 actually produce DVI.  Or is that just ConTeXt?
LuaTex aims to become the next pdftex, and  it already has a dvi output mode.
ConText mkiv today is very pdf oriented, it doesn't support dvi very
well, if at all.


With minimals I can't
 run luatex directly.  It wants a format file that is not there.
You can build one: see files under
minimals-beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/generic/context
exp. luatex-plain.tex

 Presumably maximals has it.  So I can't try using luatex
 --backend=dvi hello_world directly on my hello_world.tex to see if
 that option's supported.
The option is  --output-format
--output-format=FORMATuse FORMAT for job output; FORMAT is
'dvi' or 'pdf'
If CACHE is the dir of your cache where there are  the formats
(ie 
CACHE=/opt/luatex/minimals-beta-eurotex-2010/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/8951e8d562c3f685559ce86173519cf6/formats
you can try just now with

luatex --fmt=$CACHE/cont-en --lua=$CACHE/cont-en.lui --backend=dvi
 test.tex



 The LuaTeX Reference has not yet achieved an index and I don't know
 where else a list of luatex command line options might be found.
try to search inside the pdf then with xpdf

 But if there is no dvi or final ps output I think perhaps ConTeXt is
 not for me just now.  Something Unix-oriented would be more usable.
 Something alien will throw up other problems.
I'm using Linux from 20years and I must to say that minimal is  full
Unix oriented
(I always though  that with context Hans uses Windows in an Unix way)
I don't understand why you are so tied to dvi.
Even postscript is a bit outdated as final output: pdf is the standard-defacto
and convert pdf to ps is really easy with the suite of programs from
xpdf or acrobat reader.
If you like the Unix way a bash script is trivial.


 Oh, yes.  May have a look at MkII.  But does it use LuaTeX?
no, it uses pdftex

  The
 possibility of easy macros in Lua rather than difficult macros in TeX
 would be one attraction of ConTeXt.
Really True (I sould say TRUE) .
 Maybe Eplain LuaTeX is what I
 need.
No sure: mkiv adds a lots of lua macros that you should rewrite by yourself then


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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Talbot-Wilson

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:


Oh, yes.  May have a look at MkII.  But does it use LuaTeX?  The
possibility of easy macros in Lua rather than difficult macros in TeX
would be one attraction of ConTeXt.  Maybe Eplain LuaTeX is what I
need.


Let me correct that.  Confused ravings.  I was really looking for (1)
font management making it easier to install new and unusual fonts
without delving up to my armpits in tfm, pk, whatever, (2) something
with Metapost more integrated, allowing easy placement of vector
graphics in the document and allowing them to be defined within the
document text file.

It seemed momentarily that ConTeXt might be one way, and since there
was an old version called MkII and a new version called MkIV, that
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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Michael Talbot-Wilson m...@view.net.au wrote:
 On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:

 Oh, yes.  May have a look at MkII.  But does it use LuaTeX?  The
 possibility of easy macros in Lua rather than difficult macros in TeX
 would be one attraction of ConTeXt.  Maybe Eplain LuaTeX is what I
 need.

 Let me correct that.  Confused ravings.  I was really looking for (1)
 font management making it easier to install new and unusual fonts
 without delving up to my armpits in tfm, pk, whatever, (2) something
 with Metapost more integrated, allowing easy placement of vector
 graphics in the document and allowing them to be defined within the
 document text file.

 It seemed momentarily that ConTeXt might be one way, and since there
 was an old version called MkII and a new version called MkIV, that
 MkIV was a sane place to start.

You have dropped dvi and ps constrains, so without no doubt
context mkiv is the optimal choice.


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Re: [NTG-context] horizontal alignment

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Goerz
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Michael Murphy
michael.mur...@uni-ulm.de wrote:
 On 09/07/10 01:32, Michael Goerz wrote:
 I'm trying to do some horizontal alignment, for typesetting poetry.
 How would you solve this kind of problem? I've considered defining a
 macro \BrokenLine[line1][line2] that does the above. But, there are
 also instances where there are two or more lines as a continuation of
 one previous line. Maybe there is a possibility to mark a horizontal
 position temporarily, and then jump to that position later?

 Anyway, this is a crappy solution and you could probably make it better. As
 far as I'm aware, there is no way to get the current horizontal position
 across the page at any particular moment. The method below essentially just
 measures the length of the line that you want to enter, and sets this as the
 indent.

 \dimendef\indentl=10

 \def\savewidth#1{%
  \setbox0=\hbox{#1}%
  \copy0%
  \indentl=\wd0%
 }

 \def\addtosavewidth#1{%
  \setbox0=\hbox{#1}%
  \mindent\copy0%
  \advance\indentl by \wd0%
 }

 \def\mindent{\hskip\indentl}
Thanks, Michael, that works great!

Just out of interest: why does \savewidth create a newline
if there's more text on the same line,
(like this:
   \savewidth{start of line} and some more text
)
while \addtosavewidth does not? The difference is the \hskip in front
of the \copy0%; if I add \hskip0pt in front of the the \copy in
\savewidth, there's also no newline -- but how does that make sense?

Michael
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Re: [NTG-context] Example ConTeXt document: PS output

2010-07-09 Thread Michael Talbot-Wilson

On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, luigi scarso wrote:


Let me correct that. ??Confused ravings. ??I was really looking for (1)
font management making it easier to install new and unusual fonts
without delving up to my armpits in tfm, pk, whatever, (2) something
with Metapost more integrated, allowing easy placement of vector
graphics in the document and allowing them to be defined within the
document text file.
...

You have dropped dvi and ps constrains, so without no doubt
context mkiv is the optimal choice.


Running I think any browser on any Linux system, if I see a PDF file
on the Web and click on print, and then print to a file, I
automatically finish up with a .ps file.  Which I can display with gv.
The PDF format was all the time redundant.

It may be that the graphic arts trade has switched to PDF as its
standard, did long ago make that switch, but no-one told my printer.

And even I prefer to avoid unnecessary conversions of image formats
when I only want to print images.  Using Photoshop I save as EPS,
switch to Linux, run eplain, print a PostScript image (and text) on a
PostScript printer, and that's the end of it.  No double conversion of
images, with the risk of degrading image quality.  Or with the
superstition that there could be such a risk.

I'm not competent to debate the merits of PDF versus PS but I know
what I want.

I would like the high-level conveniences of ConTeXt, the ones I
mentioned, but they don't supersede the rest.

The luatex manpage in luatex-beta-0.60.2.tar.bz2 says:

In  DVI  mode, luaTeX can be used as a complete replacement for the
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