Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 17-12-2010 11:35, Philipp A. wrote:

 2010/12/17 Jonas Steinn...@jonasstein.de

 i'd like to make a small presentation for friends about
 context.
 Why do we use lua and not python or perl or...


 you can. google for “luatex lunatic”.
 you’ll have to build a little module defining the macros you use, though.
 (like \ctxpython, \directpython and so on)

 Where can i find the features for lua for this job?

 In what sense? Context core code will never use \ctxpython, \ctxruby,
 \ctxperl, so it will be module specific as one cannot depend on libraries
 being on the system, at least not before luatex is stabelized. Btw, I'm not
 sure if Luigi made a module for it
no ( but can be interesting )
(if he still uses python at all).
yes, for plone

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] quvira fonts

2010-12-18 Thread Steffen Wolfrum

Am 17.12.2010 um 22:57 schrieb luigi scarso:

 http://quivira-font.com/

nice ;o)

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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Vnpenguin
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:26, Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch wrote:
 Hi,

 I have mentioned it at the last context conference: I am looking for a person 
 (or a group) to take over the server contextgarden.net. Not only the wiki or 
 the modules section or ..., but the complete server.

 I have started everything more then seven years ago and we (= you) have all 
 made it possible that contextgarden.net is now used by more then 500 unique 
 visitors each day (the wiki alone). The average time a user spends on the 
 wiki is three and a half minute (according to the stats, but this is 
 inaccurate, of course), I think that is pretty good!

 But as usual in a setting like this, I have shifted my focus. This does not 
 mean I like ConTeXt less then several years ago! By no means! But I am too 
 busy with my new job and my family so there is pretty much no server 
 maintenance (except for a reboot once in a while).

 I really hope that someone steps in and I can hand over all the 
 files/databases and the domain name before the next conference.

 Not that some parts are already maintained by other people: most prominently 
 the minimals are done by Mojca with help of Arthur (I hope I've got it right).

 Patrick


Why not move all to Sourceforge.net ?

Just my two cent
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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:12, Vnpenguin wrote:

 Why not move all to Sourceforge.net ?

Apart from being ugly, sourceforge doesn't even come close to the
desired functionality of contextgarden.net. The garden is in
suboptimal state, but moving to sourceforge wouldn't simplify the
things in any single way.

It's not so much about doing regular server maintainance (which is
very low once the server is set up), but about implementing new
creative ideas. Improving application for modules, implement new
features on wiki, creating some safe environment to enable running
mkiv on the server, maintaining some version control of ConTeXt,
improve and update source browser, improving reference for commands
(both develop the application as well as adding descriptions) etc.
etc. etc.

I don't know what sourceforge supports and what it doesn't, but I
don't believe that I could get ssh access, consume 40 GB of disk
space, run arbitrary cronjobs and offer rsync access to start with
(all needed for minimals).

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Taco Hoekwater

On 12/18/2010 10:36 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


I don't know what sourceforge supports and what it doesn't, but I
don't believe that I could get ssh access, consume 40 GB of disk
space, run arbitrary cronjobs and offer rsync access to start with
(all needed for minimals).


And on top of that all, I want to repeat the ugliness argument :)

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/12/18 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com

 creating some safe environment to enable running
 mkiv on the server,


I'm actually working on this specifically. It will
Python/Django/PostgreSQL-based and it will (hopefully) be ready before
summer semester starts here, which is 1.3.2011. We will use it inside of a
virtual machine, so I can't speak for security.

Regards,

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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Philipp Gesang
On 2010-12-18 01:50:29, Philipp A. wrote:

snip lines=some/

 well, i just like it. and since i don’t know lua (well, that’s not exactly
 true, but i can’t write a normal sized script without looking things up),
 and tend to do things like i would do them in other languages i know. e.g.:
 how do you loop elegantly over table values? “for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v)
 end” creates a throwaway variable k, which doesn’t seem right. some things

Depending on whether you want to access the non-hashed content as
well you might want to use the “next” iterator instead as it’s
slightly faster (according to my tests, that is). You won’t get
around the local variable, though; I have no clue and no time to
check if it’s even technically feasible to iterate a hash table
without accessing the hashes.

 are totally counter-intuitive for me like tables beginning with index 1, and
 so on.

Feels natural after some time, I guarantee. And you’ll never look
the same way at a fencepost again …

What you’ll miss most is all the nice shortcuts and syntactic
sugar like “setdefault(k,[]).append(v)” (two lines in Lua) and
the lazy handling of arrays, strings c. as sequences that can be
iterated over like it was all the same, and probably the error
handling. Nothing you can’t live without.

  Anyhow, I don't like languages that need religious arguments to become
  popular.

 or are you talking about lua having been invented at a catholic university
 and thus being a product of a sect somehow?

Never looked at it that way. There should be a “fun facts”
section on the wiki to list all the confusing mysteries
surrounding context.

Regards,
Philipp


PS:

 kross is the project for bringing consistent scripting to KDE, and it is
 just awesome, since it allows you to write stuff in the scripting language
 of your choice.

Apart from being OT, you can always switch to a window manager
that uses your favorite scripting language instead -- mine has
Lua inside which is a lot cleaner than doing configuration in
e.g. bash or something.



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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Daniel Grycman

 It's not so much about doing regular server maintainance (which is
 very low once the server is set up), but about implementing new
 creative ideas. Improving application for modules, implement new
 features on wiki, creating some safe environment to enable running
 mkiv on the server, maintaining some version control of ConTeXt,
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 (both develop the application as well as adding descriptions) etc.
 etc. etc.

Sound interesting to me to participate :-).

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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Hi,

On 12/18/2010 01:50 AM, Philipp A. wrote:


like… which one? i only know of the tabs vs. spaces


The significant whitespace is why python would not have been
an option for the core extension language in luatex even if
it was twice as small and twice as fast as lua. Forced indentation
simply does not work out well if data and program are intermixed
in the same source file.

Which is not saying that I don't like python, but (also taking account
the other differences to lua) it is simply the wrong tool for the job.


my dream for luatex/context would be a built-in lua interpreter (because
lua is so fucking small) and optional modules for other, heavier,
scripting languages (perl, ruby), which you don’t have to install.


An extended version of luatex-lunatic (or some similar project) would
potentially allow that. A lot of the lua functions that 'talk' to the
internals are nothing more than wrappers for argument and return value
grabbing, and it would be pretty easy to (re)code those bindings for
any other scripting language.

The remaining functions that are not trivially implemented are the
ones that we need to work on before 1.0, because these are the exactly
the areas where the TeX source is too messy to be easily interfaced,
in any scripting language.


Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 12:03, Philipp Gesang wrote:

On 2010-12-1801:50:29, Philipp A. wrote:

snip lines=some/


well, i just like it. and since i don’t know lua (well, that’s not exactly
true, but i can’t write a normal sized script without looking things up),
and tend to do things like i would do them in other languages i know. e.g.:
how do you loop elegantly over table values? “for k,v in pairs(t) do print(v)
end” creates a throwaway variable k, which doesn’t seem right. some things


Depending on whether you want to access the non-hashed content as
well you might want to use the “next” iterator instead as it’s
slightly faster (according to my tests, that is). You won’t get
around the local variable, though; I have no clue and no time to
check if it’s even technically feasible to iterate a hash table
without accessing the hashes.


indeed, for k, v in next, sometable do ... is faster as it saves one 
function call (i.e. pairs returning the next, table)


for indexed iteration using for i=1,n do ... is much faster than ipairs 
as it involves no function calls



are totally counter-intuitive for me like tables beginning with index 1, and
so on.


Feels natural after some time, I guarantee. And you’ll never look
the same way at a fencepost again …


indeed, I also like the start at 1 very much, as you say .. natural


What you’ll miss most is all the nice shortcuts and syntactic
sugar like “setdefault(k,[]).append(v)” (two lines in Lua) and
the lazy handling of arrays, stringsc. as sequences that can be
iterated over like it was all the same, and probably the error
handling. Nothing you can’t live without.


and often you can roll out your own without carying the truckload of 
(mostly soon forgotten) lib code



Anyhow, I don't like languages that need religious arguments to become
popular.



or are you talking about lua having been invented at a catholic university
and thus being a product of a sect somehow?


Never looked at it that way. There should be a “fun facts”
section on the wiki to list all the confusing mysteries
surrounding context.


I was refering to python related religious (with the programming 
language being the gospel) discussions, so far I never ran into a lua 
one. All those 'one should use this language over that' or 'this 
operating system over that one' are wasted on me as languages come and 
go, as do operating systems and related concepts. Pointless discussions 
when seen over a 1000 year period of time. Printing used to be done 
using wooden blocks and that was high end and the best at some point, 
then came lead (too poisonous now), then film (short fashion), now ...



Regards,
Philipp


PS:


kross is the project for bringing consistent scripting to KDE, and it is
just awesome, since it allows you to write stuff in the scripting language
of your choice.


like .net


Apart from being OT, you can always switch to a window manager
that uses your favorite scripting language instead -- mine has
Lua inside which is a lot cleaner than doing configuration in
e.g. bash or something.


sure, and performance seldom is an issue I guess on todays machines.

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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 12:14, Daniel Grycman wrote:



It's not so much about doing regular server maintainance (which is
very low once the server is set up), but about implementing new
creative ideas. Improving application for modules, implement new
features on wiki, creating some safe environment to enable running
mkiv on the server, maintaining some version control of ConTeXt,
improve and update source browser, improving reference for commands
(both develop the application as well as adding descriptions) etc.
etc. etc.


Sound interesting to me to participate :-).


Question for mojca: will the garden eventually move to your new context 
server?


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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 1:50, Philipp A. wrote:


but don’t get me wrong, i love context and luatext, i just like other
languages better than lua (you weren’t content with latex and created
context, so this shouldn’t be alien to you)


Sure, it's just that the core of context will be tex/lua only as it 
needs to be portable and mixing languages will not help at that level.


Probably the best way to use other languages in applications of context 
/ luatex is to do something lunatic that luigi did, the overhead of 
wrapping is probably neglectable. We can look into that around luatex 
version 1.0.


For me personally the only reason to look into pyton (or ruby or perl or 
php or ...) would be that it's needed in a project but so far i never 
had such projects i.e. could choose my own languages (so it was ruby at 
some point and lua now). Who knows what the future brings.


Hans

ps. I once read about Icon as language and somehow that one also had 
some appeal. I never had a running environment. Smalltalk is also nice, 
esp the (original) books (esp the historic one), and Lisp (in relation 
to tex) also has some appeal. Live is too short to learn all those 
languages and stay fluent in them, i.e. one simply forgets a lot when 
usage zeros.


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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Philipp Gesang
On 2010-12-18 12:35:38, Hans Hagen wrote:
 On 18-12-2010 12:03, Philipp Gesang wrote:
 Depending on whether you want to access the non-hashed content as
 well you might want to use the “next” iterator instead as it’s
 slightly faster (according to my tests, that is). You won’t get
 around the local variable, though; I have no clue and no time to
 check if it’s even technically feasible to iterate a hash table
 without accessing the hashes.
 
 indeed, for k, v in next, sometable do ... is faster as it saves one
 function call (i.e. pairs returning the next, table)
 
 for indexed iteration using for i=1,n do ... is much faster than
 ipairs as it involves no function calls

Well, according to a quick test using “next” with hash tables has
only a *very* slight advantage (in time) over pairs. With arrays
the difference to ipairs() is much higher; in mixed arrays/hashes
it might turn out even higher.

For tables I came up with this relation (“” meaning less
execution time than):
  while  for  repeat  next  ipairs
where “repeat … until” and “while … do … end” check if the final
index has been reached. But the difference between the three
loops is rather neglegible.

What always baffled me is that in the manual Roberto advertises
ipairs() as the iterator of choice (at least in the v.5.0 doc).
Compared to the other options using it is just, well, erratic.

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Re: [NTG-context] New to this

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 7:00, Anand Raj wrote:

Hi,

I have a html page containing mathml and svg content.

How can i make use of the pragma script?

How can i integrate with php?


In what sense? What do you want to achieve.

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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 ps. I once read about Icon as language and somehow that one also had some
 appeal. I never had a running environment. Smalltalk is also nice, esp the
 (original) books (esp the historic one),
it's easy to try squeak
http://www.squeak.org/


and Lisp (in relation to tex) also
 has some appeal.
True, see
http://www.nongnu.org/skribilo/
(there is also a context support)
A binding  to libguile should be no difficult to achieve.

Live is too short to learn all those languages and stay
 fluent in them, i.e. one simply forgets a lot when usage zeros.
we should start to think how to to become immortal.


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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 2:06, Philipp Gesang wrote:


What always baffled me is that in the manual Roberto advertises
ipairs() as the iterator of choice (at least in the v.5.0 doc).
Compared to the other options using it is just, well, erratic.


I did lots of testing (an doptimizing) in critical code but in practice 
one will not notice much difference in a mkiv run. Actually, I changed 
all pairs, ipairs as there was a temporary intention to remove them from 
the lua core.


btw, in for i=1,#t do ... the #t is also a function call (so having many 
in these t[#t+1] = ... cases is also slower but again, seldom noticeable 
as lua in general is so fast


a similar dicussion can be held for strings being hashed but again the 
penalty is neglectable esp if one takes into account that strings only 
have one instance and compare real fast (pointer comparison); in mkiv / 
luatex we have lots of strings (keys, identical values, etc) and it 
really pays off to have them hashed


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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 2:18, luigi scarso wrote:


True, see
http://www.nongnu.org/skribilo/
(there is also a context support)
A binding  to libguile should be no difficult to achieve.


ah, interesting ... we should have a sort of reference context document 
with some structure, itemize, tables, graphics etc and then see how it 
would code in different languages that way (one problem is lazy 
evaluation in function arguments, so it might be that lisp is the best 
variant).


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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Philipp Gesang
On 2010-12-18 14:20:46, Hans Hagen wrote:
 On 18-12-2010 2:06, Philipp Gesang wrote:
 
 What always baffled me is that in the manual Roberto advertises
 ipairs() as the iterator of choice (at least in the v.5.0 doc).
 Compared to the other options using it is just, well, erratic.
 
 I did lots of testing (an doptimizing) in critical code but in
 practice one will not notice much difference in a mkiv run.
 Actually, I changed all pairs, ipairs as there was a temporary
 intention to remove them from the lua core.
 
 btw, in for i=1,#t do ... the #t is also a function call (so having

My fault, I just forgot about that; with the array size stored in
a local variable the “for” loop is faster than “while”, as
expected.

 many in these t[#t+1] = ... cases is also slower but again, seldom
 noticeable as lua in general is so fast

… when adding to an array the “t[#t+1] = elm” approach turns out
to be still faster than table.insert() which, again, is
advertised in the manual. Even python’s append() method is faster
than table.insert() and that means a lot.

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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden.net

2010-12-18 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 13:56, Hans Hagen wrote:

 Question for mojca: will the garden eventually move to your new context
 server?

That depends on the main maintainer. We have 2TB disk space. I cannot
speak about uptime yet, but the admins are sometimes willing to run to
institute at 3am when something of high priority happens (this server
probably doesn't count as high priority, but still).

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[NTG-context] problem with setupwhitespace

2010-12-18 Thread Achim Jander

Hello,
I am trying to setup a layout for a book. Its very simple, consisting 
only of paragraphs. Regularly, there should be no space between them,
but to force the pages getting filled there may be a small space. I 
cannot figure out how to set it up.

In the mailing list I found the sample
\setupwhitespace[3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt]

but in fact, that seems to have no effect, the page ist not filled. The 
Reference-Manual doesnt mention this form, but states that there is some 
stretchability.

How can I define the stretchability?
My simple Example:


\definepapersize [NomosLexSozA] [width=125mm, height=210mm]

\setuppapersize [NomosLexSozA] [A4]

\setuplayout[

header=0cm,footer=0cm,

backspace=2.54cm,topspace=1.5cm,

width=middle,height=middle,

location=middle,marking=on,]

\showframe

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

\setupbodyfont[rm,7.5pt,serif]

\setupinterlinespace[line=8pt]

\setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]


\setupwhitespace[3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt]

%\setupwhitespace[line]

%\setupwhitespace[medium]

%\setupwhitespace[big]


\setuptolerance[horizontal, verytolerant, stretch]

\setuptolerance[vertical, verystrict]

\starttext

\dorecurse{40} {\input knuth}

\stoptext


with big or medium, it seems to work, but that is to much whitespace for 
my layout? Can anyone give me a hint?


Thanks,
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[NTG-context] mkiv: append to buffer

2010-12-18 Thread Thomas Schmitz

Hi all,

i guess this is easy, but I can't find an example to help
me: I want to write a macro that will collect one of its
arguments in a buffer and then collect the other argument 
in a buffer. Difficult to make a minimal example since I 
don't know how to do this, so here is some pseudo-code; 
this is what I want to achieve:


\definebuffer[MyBuffer]

\def\MyGreatMacro#1#2#3%
{\item[#1] #2 \par
 \appendtobuffer{MyBuffer}{\in[#1] #3}}

\starttext
\startitemize
\MyGreatMacro{1}{aa}{AA}
\MyGreatMacro{2}{bb}{BB}
\stopitemize

\page
\getbuffer[MyBuffer]
\resetbuffer[MyBuffer] % so I can reuse the buffer
\stoptext

What I want to do with this is typeset exercises for my 
students, with an itemization for problems and solutions 
which use the same numbering. In real life, this will 
involve xml, but I will try and figure that out myself 
once I know how to use buffers...


It looks like buffers.collectcontent should be able to do 
this, but I can't figure out how to use it. Any pointers? 
Thanks a lot!


All best

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv: append to buffer

2010-12-18 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Thomas Schmitz wrote:


i guess this is easy, but I can't find an example to help
me: I want to write a macro that will collect one of its
arguments in a buffer and then collect the other argument in a buffer. 
Difficult to make a minimal example since I don't know how to do this, so 
here is some pseudo-code; this is what I want to achieve:


\definebuffer[MyBuffer]

\def\MyGreatMacro#1#2#3%
{\item[#1] #2 \par
\appendtobuffer{MyBuffer}{\in[#1] #3}}

\starttext
\startitemize
\MyGreatMacro{1}{aa}{AA}
\MyGreatMacro{2}{bb}{BB}
\stopitemize

\page
\getbuffer[MyBuffer]
\resetbuffer[MyBuffer] % so I can reuse the buffer
\stoptext

What I want to do with this is typeset exercises for my students, with an 
itemization for problems and solutions which use the same numbering. In real 
life, this will involve xml, but I will try and figure that out myself once I 
know how to use buffers...


It looks like buffers.collectcontent should be able to do this, but I can't 
figure out how to use it. Any pointers? Thanks a lot!


I am not sure what you want to do, and why you want to use buffers. Wont a 
simple token list work?


% Define a token list
\newtoks\mytoks

% Append to a token list
\appendtoks \in[#1] #3  \to\mytoks

% Recall a token list
\the\mytoks

% Reset a token list
\mytoks\emptytoks

For repeating question and answers, there is also blocks.

Aditya

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[NTG-context] running headers on postponed makeup

2010-12-18 Thread Philipp Gesang
Hi all,

after discovering postponed insertions I encountered a problem
when combining it with the makeup mechanism I am so fond of.

···8

\definemakeup[my]
\setupmakeup[my][
  headerstate=start,
  page=yes,
]

\startbuffer[mkup]
  \startmymakeup
\vfill\externalfigure[cow][width=\hsize]\vfill
  \stopmymakeup
\stopbuffer

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided,location=footer]
\setupheadertexts [{\getmarking[section]}] [outer] [outer] 
[{\getmarking[section]}]

\starttext

\startpostponing[+2]
  \getbuffer[mkup]
\stoppostponing

\dorecurse{10}{\section{the Don spake} \input knuth }

\stoptext

···8

Is there way to get the running header on the makeup page?
Tweaking the “headerstate” does not seem to have an effect on
this.

Thanks in advance, Philipp


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Re: [NTG-context] problem with setupwhitespace

2010-12-18 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 18.12.2010 um 16:10 schrieb Achim Jander:

 Hello,
 I am trying to setup a layout for a book. Its very simple, consisting only of 
 paragraphs. Regularly, there should be no space between them,
 but to force the pages getting filled there may be a small space. I cannot 
 figure out how to set it up.
 In the mailing list I found the sample
 \setupwhitespace[3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt]
 but in fact, that seems to have no effect, the page ist not filled. The 
 Reference-Manual doesnt mention this form, but states that there is some 
 stretchability.
 How can I define the stretchability?

You don’t need \setupwhitespace, \setupalign[line] is enough.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv: append to buffer

2010-12-18 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 18.12.2010 um 17:52 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

 I am not sure what you want to do, and why you want to use buffers. Wont a 
 simple token list work?

I can only agree with this, token lists are the easiest solution but the new 
cld manuals mentions the “context.tobuffer” function which allows one to add 
content to a buffer.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 3:17, Philipp Gesang wrote:


… when adding to an array the “t[#t+1] = elm” approach turns out
to be still faster than table.insert() which, again, is
advertised in the manual. Even python’s append() method is faster
than table.insert() and that means a lot.


seems to be faster in upcoming 5.2

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[NTG-context] ascii ribbon

2010-12-18 Thread Philipp A.
hi,
do you really support this obsolete statement?

if so: why?

   - html mail is supported by every mail reader nowadays, and nowhere near
   broken
   - semantic html is way better for blind people than plain text, since it
   is, well, semantically structured. something enclosed in em-tags will e.g.
   pronounced in a accentuated voice by the screen reader.
   - e mail sizes are no problem with today's hd capacity
   - every proper mail reader does block pics from foreign sources for
   privacy reasons

essentially: this was true, and isn't anymore.

if you think http://www.xkcd.com/386 , you are right, i'm like that :)

cu in the context forum,
philipp
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Re: [NTG-context] ascii ribbon

2010-12-18 Thread Philipp A.
wtf, crappy gmail!
this was supposed to go to philipp gesang only (because of his ascii-ribbon
signature)
sorry for posting it here, it was an accident.
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Re: [NTG-context] running headers on postponed makeup

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 6:12, Philipp Gesang wrote:


after discovering postponed insertions I encountered a problem
when combining it with the makeup mechanism I am so fond of.


The next beta will have changes mark behaviour: no reset in everyforget 
cases, and a fix for pages with no text. The first case is experimental 
as I cannot foresee unwanted side effects where a reset *is* expected so 
that might be reverted and done differently.


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Re: [NTG-context] ascii ribbon

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 9:00, Philipp A. wrote:

wtf, crappy gmail!
this was supposed to go to philipp gesang only (because of his ascii-ribbon
signature)
sorry for posting it here, it was an accident.



no problem, the cartoon was nice

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[NTG-context] beta

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

Hi,

I uploaded a new beta (not that much done, waiting for the new luatex 
bins to settle). There's also an updated zip with test files.


There will probably be a current before 2011 but Taco and I need to 
coordinate that a bit.


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] MikTeX and ConTeXt

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 9:09, Jonas Stein wrote:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/MikTeX
ConTeXt is currently broken (possible to do some tweaking to make it work)

this was from 2008 so i suppose its outdated.
Is that already fixed?

(i can not test it as i have no windows operating system)


context in miktex should work ok now

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[NTG-context] confusion: 2 Bugtracker?

2010-12-18 Thread Jonas Stein
On http://minimals.contextgarden.net/

Bug tracker: https://launchpad.net/context;

but on
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page
Bug tracker links to Mantis:
http://tracker.luatex.org/my_view_page.php;

Why are there 2 Bugtrackers?

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Re: [NTG-context] confusion: 2 Bugtracker?

2010-12-18 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Jonas Stein wrote:


On http://minimals.contextgarden.net/

Bug tracker: https://launchpad.net/context;


This is the bug tracker of the minimals installation scripts.


but on
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page
Bug tracker links to Mantis:
http://tracker.luatex.org/my_view_page.php;


This is the bug tracker for ConTeXt and LuaTeX.

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Re: [NTG-context] confusion: 2 Bugtracker?

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 18-12-2010 9:15, Jonas Stein wrote:

On http://minimals.contextgarden.net/

Bug tracker: https://launchpad.net/context;

but on
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page
Bug tracker links to Mantis:
http://tracker.luatex.org/my_view_page.php;

Why are there 2 Bugtrackers?


the launchpad account is used for those who deal with the minimals and 
binaries


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Re: [NTG-context] beta

2010-12-18 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/12/18 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl

 Hi,

 I uploaded a new beta (not that much done, waiting for the new luatex bins
 to settle). There's also an updated zip with test files.

 There will probably be a current before 2011 but Taco and I need to
 coordinate that a bit.

 Hans


Could you please look into alternating green-red color of references? IIRC
Mojca posted a minimal example was back in September/October, but I can't
find it. It can be seen in http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf

Regards,

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Re: [NTG-context] Horizontal space in math subscript generated by Lua

2010-12-18 Thread Hans Hagen

On 15-12-2010 6:11, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:

Hello,

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:06:42 +0100, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:


actually, the luacode was doing the right thing as there is a
protect/unprotect mismatch (will be fixed); puttingthis at the top of
you file works:

\catcodetable\ctxcatcodes


thank you, Hans.

This makes both solutions (Ctx generated and Lua generated) equal -
[wider] spacing is the same.

Just my point of view - the previous native Ctx result (= narrower
spacing in subscript when mixing upper and lower case letters) - seemed
to me a bit prettier; wouldn't be better to keep the old Ctx look (=
result without \catcodetable\ctxcatcodes) and to drive Lua to give the
same result?


no, the question is why the spacing in math is there, the catcode regime 
should indeed be ctxcatcodes ... more something for aditya to figure out


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[NTG-context] Custom XML Pretty Printer

2010-12-18 Thread Renaud AUBIN
Hi there,

See http://gitorious.org/xml-pretty-printer-module-for-context for testing.
As soon as I have made more testing and some improvements (inc. cleaning
up), I'll submit to tlcontrib.

Cheers,

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