[NTG-context] pagenumber suppression howto?
My goal is pages without header info at the top and text plus a pagenumber on the bottom. This can be accomplished by: \setupheader[state=stop] \setupfooter[text][before=\hairline,style=small,location=left,strut=yes] \setupfootertexts[some text][pagenumber] I want the first page without that footer, to be done with: \noheaderandfooterlines But then comes the problem, because afterwards the default takes over and on the subsequent pages the pagenumber starts to appear in the header (the default setting apparently). Thus the \noheaderandfooterlines annuls the \setupheader[state=stop] I did not find out how to get rid of the default pagenumber. \setuppagenumber[state=stop] kills all pagenumbering, the programmed one in the leftbottom corner too. \setuppagenumbering[state=stop] kills all pagenumbers, included the one I want to appear. \setuppagenumbering[location=none] merely puts the pagenumber in the middle of the footer, obviously location=none has no meaning in ConTeXt. So, I am at the end of the possibilities I can think of. How to? Hans van der Meer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 15 Jul 2014, at 16:42, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: ConTeXt comes with full source code, so users can easily study the source code. This is crazy. Sorry, you can’t expect users to be able to do that. Lamport created LaTeX *and* wrote the “LaTeX User’s Guide and Reference manual”. The authors mentioned below were all developers too. You need that level of understanding to write a manual. The project could easily employ two people to work full time just to keep up with the pace of development (once they would catch up). I would expect it to be far less than that once you have the documentation. What a project needs is discipline. If the ConTeXt stays a tinkered-tool-in-flux (because that is how Hans needs it for his own work), a decent manual will never arrive unless there is the discipline that any new functionality is documented (“user manual reference”) in full before proceeding to the next development. On 16 Jul 2014, at 00:26, David Wooten d...@trichotomic.net wrote: It’s suspect to take umbrage on another’s behalf, but “tinkering researchers may not be inclined to do that, they want to tinker” — It’s absurd to suggest that Hans co. are “tinkering” for the sake of tinkering. I never suggested that. Hans Co tinker because they want to make progress and develop functionality they need. But because the project is in constant flux, even if you would have time (money) to fund documentation, the documentation would be out-of-date soon. I would immediately buy any book that explains ConTeXt such as the books that are there for LaTeX. But then, LaTeX is moribund and doesn’t change at all. An easier target. Hans Taco: how much money would need to be raised to produce something of the quality of Kopka Daly’s “Guide to LaTeX”? or Goossens, Mittelbach Samarin’s “The LaTeX Companion”? Because, I don’t think this will happen unless some money is raised to pay for it. I would gladly donate in a crowdfunding initiative for a good book. But how much is needed to make it happen? G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 20 Jul 2014, at 14:14, Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl wrote: I would gladly donate in a crowdfunding initiative for a good book. But how much is needed to make it happen? BTW, as I have become a publisher in recent years I know now what to do, I can maybe help by acting as the publisher for the book. If an author of a group of authors can write a manuscript, I would be happy to fund the production of the book and host the sales of a PDF version (see http://bit.ly/1iNacG8 for how selling both print and PDF would work). If money is needed in advance for authors so they can live while writing, we could crowdsource that and repay the investors form the proceeds of the book. When the investment has been paid back, we could distribute the PDF for free or use the proceeds to fund updates and such. G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pagenumber suppression howto?
Am 20.07.2014 um 12:03 schrieb Meer, H. van der h.vanderm...@uva.nl:
My goal is pages without header info at the top and text plus a pagenumber on
the bottom. This can be accomplished by:
\setupheader[state=stop]
\setupfooter[text][before=\hairline,style=small,location=left,strut=yes]
\setupfootertexts[some text][pagenumber]
I want the first page without that footer, to be done with:
\noheaderandfooterlines
But then comes the problem, because afterwards the default takes over and on
the subsequent pages the pagenumber starts to appear in the header (the
default setting apparently). Thus the \noheaderandfooterlines annuls the
\setupheader[state=stop]
I did not find out how to get rid of the default pagenumber.
\setuppagenumber[state=stop] kills all pagenumbering, the programmed one in
the leftbottom corner too.
\setuppagenumbering[state=stop] kills all pagenumbers, included the one I
want to appear.
\setuppagenumbering[location=none] merely puts the pagenumber in the middle
of the footer, obviously location=none has no meaning in ConTeXt.
So, I am at the end of the possibilities I can think of. How to?
Context performs only a check for a empty argument of the location key
(i.e. \setuppagenumbering[location=]) and in all other keys checks the argument
for a valid keyword, all unknown keywords are ignored. The ignored “none”
keyword
can be added by a simple change in the file page-txt.mkvi and I think such a
change
would make sense because there are many places “none” is used when you disable
a function.
\unexpanded\def\strc_pagenumbers_set_location
{\edef\p_strc_pagenumbers_location{\directpagenumberingparameter\c!location}%
\ifx\p_strc_pagenumbers_location\m_page_layouts_page_number_location
% unchanged
\else
\let\m_page_layouts_page_number_location\p_strc_pagenumbers_location
\page_layouts_reset_page_number_location
\ifx\p_strc_pagenumbers_location\empty
% set otherwise
-\else
+\else\ifx\p_strc_pagenumbers_location\v!none
+ % set otherwise
+\else
\page_layouts_identify_page_number_location
\page_layouts_set_page_number_location
-\fi
+\fi\fi
\fi}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] pagenumber suppression howto?
Am 20.07.2014 um 21:35 schrieb Meer, H. van der h.vanderm...@uva.nl: Thanks. Please let us know if this addition of location=none will be taken up in a future beta. I also realised that the effect wanted can be obtained by dividing the single \noheaderandfooterlines into two additional macros \noheaderlines and \nofooterlines Is that a viable idea too? When you want disable only one element you can use the \setupheader or \setupfooter command. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pagenumber suppression howto?
On 20 Jul 2014, at 21:51, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.commailto:schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote: Am 20.07.2014 um 21:35 schrieb Meer, H. van der h.vanderm...@uva.nlmailto:h.vanderm...@uva.nl: Thanks. Please let us know if this addition of location=none will be taken up in a future beta. I also realised that the effect wanted can be obtained by dividing the single \noheaderandfooterlines into two additional macros \noheaderlines and \nofooterlines Is that a viable idea too? When you want disable only one element you can use the \setupheader or \setupfooter command. I guess no. That was just the thing that did not worked out, because the \noheaderandfooterlines did the effect of the \setupheader vanish. Hans van der Meer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] pagenumber suppression howto?
Am 20.07.2014 um 22:02 schrieb Meer, H. van der h.vanderm...@uva.nl: On 20 Jul 2014, at 21:51, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote: Am 20.07.2014 um 21:35 schrieb Meer, H. van der h.vanderm...@uva.nl: Thanks. Please let us know if this addition of location=none will be taken up in a future beta. I also realised that the effect wanted can be obtained by dividing the single \noheaderandfooterlines into two additional macros \noheaderlines and \nofooterlines Is that a viable idea too? When you want disable only one element you can use the \setupheader or \setupfooter command. I guess no. That was just the thing that did not worked out, because the \noheaderandfooterlines did the effect of the \setupheader vanish. What \noheaderandfooterlines does is to call the following two setups: - \setupheader[state=empty] and - \setupfooter[state=empty] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote: Sorry, you can’t expect users to be able to do that. Lamport created LaTeX *and* wrote the “LaTeX User’s Guide and Reference manual”. teasing Indeed. Sorry, you can't do that to users. Christian Schenk also created MikTeX (I still have MikTeX files from 23 years ago) *and* is still developing it actively and answering emails from users. /teasing The authors mentioned below were all developers too. You need that level of understanding to write a manual. What kind of developers? Did they contribute to the LaTeX core? (Many ConTeXt users are developers, but it highly depends what you count as a developer.) The project could easily employ two people to work full time just to keep up with the pace of development (once they would catch up). I would expect it to be far less than that once you have the documentation. (a) You probably never tried to follow how fast ConTeXt is being developed. (b) There's a tricky once in the sentence. Ad (a): I've heard a rumour (that might just as well be false information) that authors of the LaTeX companion or maybe LaTeX Graphics companion had a serious problem. They hardly managed writing as fast as the packages described in the book kept developing. Also, if I see correctly, the book Guide to LaTeX has been published in 2003. Even for LaTeX that's a totally outdated book and doesn't even scratch the surface of LuaTeX, XeTeX and OpenType fonts - the most useful things that most users should switch to nowadays. The LaTeX Companion is probably even more outdated and useless as it doesn't even scratch the surface of many useful packages that surfaced since the last release. I have the LaTeX Graphics Companion on my bookshelf for example, but even if I was still using LaTeX, the book would be almost useless to me nowadays. Almost none of the things I would want to use are covered there (starting with TikZ for example). The beginner's tutorial for ConTeXt is no more outdated than these books are (but of course these books were more complete at the time of writing and probably went under many more proofreading than the ConTeXt tutorial, with professional writers involved). I'm exaggerating a bit on purpose. But not much. Hans Taco: how much money would need to be raised to produce something of the quality of Kopka Daly’s “Guide to LaTeX”? or Goossens, Mittelbach Samarin’s “The LaTeX Companion”? What do you mean with of the quality of these books? Having a similar number of pages written in comparable quality (something like a revised beginner's manual) or so complete in description of the functionality as the mentioned manuals? My estimate would be that a complete context reference with well-described options and including trivial examples would require cca. 10.000-50.000 pages. Maybe others have different estimates, but now do the math. (Existing manuals like MetaFun or the old cont-en.pdf are roughly 400 pages. But that's nowhere near 10 % of the ConTeXt functionality. One would need to document the whole TeX part, the whole metapost part, the whole lua part, the whole xml, all perl, ruby and lua scripts, write better man pages, probably list the whole Unicode to show the ConTeXt names in one appendix ...) Because, I don’t think this will happen unless some money is raised to pay for it. I would gladly donate in a crowdfunding initiative for a good book. But how much is needed to make it happen? I would gladly donate as well. But probably not anywhere near the amount that would suffice even if a nontrivial number of users contributed the same. Mojca PS: the example you linked to asks for 30 EUR for a 220 page book. If the same calculation is applied to my estimate of the number of required pages, 22.000 pages would translate to 3000 EUR per copy. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Figure whitespace overflows page
On 2014-03-26 19:35, Rik Kabel wrote, originally with the subject
Caption whitespace overflows page:
How can I get rid of the space at the top of the first line of text on
page three in the following MWE. The \setupfloats[spaceafter=none]
masks the problem rather than addresses the problem directly. Playing
with the size of the figures (changing them to 3cm) shows that the
caption text is not pushed to the second page, just some whitespace
imputed to them. This happens with TL2013 and with the latest
(20140325) standalone beta.
I may be able to get away with the figure overflowing into the
footnote space by avoiding footnotes, but the space on the next page
is just ugly.
\setuppapersize[A6]
\setupexternalfigures[location={local,default}]
\setupfloats[spaceafter=none]
\starttext
\input{knuth}
\placefigure[left]{Caption}
{\startcombination[1*3]
{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2cm]}{cow}
{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2cm]}{cow}
{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][height=2cm]}{cow}
\stopcombination}
\input{knuth}
\input{knuth}
\stoptext
Can anyone suggest a fix for this, or declare that there is nothing that
can be done except to change the page content? It is still a problem.
The problem is not with caption space /per se/, but with the space taken
for the figure as a whole. I would think that, once the page with the
figure is finalized, additional reserved whitespace below it can be
discarded.
I did notice that it was also raised without apparent resolution in
March 2007 (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg21269.html).
--
Rik Kabel
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Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 20 Jul 2014, at 22:24, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote: Sorry, you can’t expect users to be able to do that. Lamport created LaTeX *and* wrote the “LaTeX User’s Guide and Reference manual”. teasing Indeed. Sorry, you can't do that to users. Christian Schenk also created MikTeX (I still have MikTeX files from 23 years ago) *and* is still developing it actively and answering emails from users. /teasing The authors mentioned below were all developers too. You need that level of understanding to write a manual. What kind of developers? Did they contribute to the LaTeX core? (Many ConTeXt users are developers, but it highly depends what you count as a developer.) Some contributed packages, some other stuff (even printer drivers). They all were deeply involved with the inside of TeX and LaTeX at a level that they would have to understand TeX and LaTeX to the core as they were developers in that environment Hans Taco: how much money would need to be raised to produce something of the quality of Kopka Daly’s “Guide to LaTeX”? or Goossens, Mittelbach Samarin’s “The LaTeX Companion”? What do you mean with of the quality of these books? Having a similar number of pages written in comparable quality (something like a revised beginner's manual) or so complete in description of the functionality as the mentioned manuals? I agree these are now outdated in several areas and less useful as they were half a decade ago. But something that is complete enough for a user (not a TeXnician), doesn’t contain too many white spots and certainly does not contain stuff that isn’t true anymore. My estimate would be that a complete context reference with well-described options and including trivial examples would require cca. 10.000-50.000 pages. Maybe others have different estimates, but now do the math. (Existing manuals like MetaFun or the old cont-en.pdf are roughly 400 pages. But that's nowhere near 10 % of the ConTeXt functionality. One would need to document the whole TeX part, the whole metapost part, the whole lua part, the whole xml, all perl, ruby and lua scripts, write better man pages, probably list the whole Unicode to show the ConTeXt names in one appendix …) If a tool needs 50.000 pages to document its use, you are in trouble (in more ways than one). I think in reality a set of manuals, with core functionality and all kinds of extras a manual of 500 pages and maybe a reference manual of the same size would be something useful and thus meaningful. Stuff like MetaFun can have its own manual and doesn’t need to be in a core ConTeXt manual. A user manual is enough. You don’t need a developer manual. So, documenting all the development you can do with ConTeXt (programming in lua and whatnot) would for me not be what is needed for a user manual. What a user manual does is what cont-en.pdf does, but then up to date and complete. G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
Am 2014-07-21 um 03:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl: My estimate would be that a complete context reference with well-described options and including trivial examples would require cca. 10.000-50.000 pages. Maybe others have different estimates, but now do the math. (Existing manuals like MetaFun or the old cont-en.pdf are roughly 400 pages. But that's nowhere near 10 % of the ConTeXt functionality. One would need to document the whole TeX part, the whole metapost part, the whole lua part, the whole xml, all perl, ruby and lua scripts, write better man pages, probably list the whole Unicode to show the ConTeXt names in one appendix …) If a tool needs 50.000 pages to document its use, you are in trouble (in more ways than one). I think in reality a set of manuals, with core functionality and all kinds of extras a manual of 500 pages and maybe a reference manual of the same size would be something useful and thus meaningful. Stuff like MetaFun can have its own manual and doesn’t need to be in a core ConTeXt manual. A user manual is enough. You don’t need a developer manual. So, documenting all the development you can do with ConTeXt (programming in lua and whatnot) would for me not be what is needed for a user manual. What a user manual does is what cont-en.pdf does, but then up to date and complete. If I might chime in … What we really need (and what „simple“ users like me cannot write, even if I sometimes look into the sources) is a usable command reference, covering all „usable“ commands and all their „usable“ options (i.e. omit too experimental stuff). What we have on the wiki now is much too incomplete in all regards. I don’t know if there’s something (more?) that can be automated. I don’t know if Hans, Taco or Wolfgang (any other candidates?) would be able and willing to do that work, if e.g. DANTE would fund it. Would you, and what do you think how much funding would be required to at least document the current state of MkIV? I would not try to write a (printed/printable) reference manual for ConTeXt, that really makes not much sense. We don’t need to argue about page estimates, that depends too much on layout anyway … I thought the previous ConTeXt meeting was about documentation? Didn’t you agree on a better wiki structure? Greetlings, Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
