Re: [NTG-context] For the Mac users: AppleScript to launch ConTeXt in a flexile way
Impressive work! On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Floeren t...@mac.com wrote: Updated (1.2.3). http://dflect.net/context-typeset-tool/ Changes: 1.2.3 (60) (2015-03-29) Added update switch --modules=all. Removed the update switch --keep. When updating ConTeXt first-setup.sh will get updated, too. 1.2.3 (58) (2015-03-28) Added to the GUI (Tools section): Possibility to quickly remap ConTeXt directories to the “Beta”/“Current” slots. This should be useful if you are switching between more than two ConTeXt installations, for example an old Current, an older (but working) Beta and the latest Beta from last night. (Formerly you had to rename the ConTeXt folder on disk in order to force the script to prompt for new locations.) Slightly changed wording in main window. Updated and extended the manual. best, -- Tom ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden wiki down
Thanks for the quick fix Taco! On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: Hi again, All services are back up again. Best wishes, Taco My coworker has to go up and check it out in person, so it will be down for a bit longer still. I’ll send a new message once everything is working again. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] The on-going process of the Proceedings for Context Meeting 2011
Hello all! It's been very quiet in regards to the Context Group's first publication, the Proceedings for Context Meeting 2011. We've been hammering out the details of a new design and house style with Adrian Egger. This process is almost complete, and we are very excited for you all to see the inspiring new design! But there is, of course, the issue of getting the final content together for this issue. And here is where I need the help of those who agreed at last year's meeting to submit an article for the proceedings: We would like to publish this years proceedings along with last years in a double edition. I've lost the list of those who wanted to submit last year, so if you remember being one of those nice and awesome people, please consider writing up a short article and sending it! *Of course we also welcome any Context-related articles! *There has been a lot of cool stuff happening in the community over the last year, and it would be great to have some further documentation on them. A very warm thanks to those of you who sent me material already--know that it was not in vain, and that your work will indeed be published. The *deadline for submission is 1 November*, with the double-edition proceedings landing on doorsteps in time for the winter holidays. For those of you who have not yet joined the Context Group, please consider doing sohttp://group.contextgarden.net/register.shtml ! Looking forward to hearing from you, John ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MLA Bibliography
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar hajt...@gyza.cz wrote: Thanks Mojca for comments. I agree that the output format can be set as needed (a lots of time of experimentation). But I needed a special sort of bibliographic items (numbering according to their occurrence in the text) and that I have unfortunately failed. For average amateurs are code modifications beyond its capabilities. I just want to say that ConTeXt is absolutely amazing tool, but sometimes without professional advice the desired result is unattainable. When time is pressed and help not comming, sometimes a lot can be stressful. However, to not complaint BUT it is the mere statement. This conference is above standard and willing to help to laity. FWIW, I decided to just hand-write all the (MLA-style) citations in my masters thesis. In case you are not too far into your writing, an option would be to use pandoc which has CSL support. There are multiple MLA styles for CSL ( http://zotero.org/styles), though I have no idea if they are good for your purpose. This would be the equivalent of pre-rendering your citations as you translate from Markdown to Context. So by Context they should already be plain-text and require little or no special handling (you might need to add a command to make the bibliography at the end of 'overhanging'). ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new look for wiki
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: On 09/27/2011 11:52 PM, Martin Schröder wrote: 2011/9/27 Martin Schrödermar...@oneiros.de: Indeed. But where is the option for it to use the full width of my browser window? Found it, sorry for the noise. Just login and choose a different skin. :-) We could easily have a ContextSkin and ContextSkinWide, but I personally think that ctrl-+ is better. Also we could have a javascript function which zooms the content to the width of the current screen. Apple behavior (apple-+ modifying font size rather than zooming) does make the just zoom it approach less trivial though. The reason I suggested a non-liquid layout for Context garden is that, in my opinion, the normal wiki / liquid text style reflects poorly on a project which promises beautiful typography. For an example of additional precedent for this approach, the Textmate wiki is also a fixed width layout: http://wiki.macromates.com/Main/HomePage Best wishes, Taco __**__** ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/** listinfo/ntg-context http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/**projects/contextrev/http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net __**__** ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new look for wiki
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: 2011/9/27 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de: Indeed. But where is the option for it to use the full width of my browser window? Found it, sorry for the noise. Just login and choose a different skin. :-) Rather simpler, and still with the same skin, is zooming with 'ctrl+'. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] [OT] Research into Generative Typesetting
Hi everyone, As some of you may know, in 2010 I attained a masters degree in New Media from the University of Amsterdam. The title of my thesis is Grammars of Process: Agency, Collective Becoming, and the Organization of Software. * [PDF](http://drippingdigital.com/gop/grammars_of_process.pdf) * [TeX](http://drippingdigital.com/gop/grammars_of_process.tex) * [HTML](http://drippingdigital.com/gop) * [thesis-groomer.rb]( https://github.com/ab5tract/new_media/blob/master/thesis/infrastructure/thesis-groomer.rb), in case you are interested in the glue. Linked above are the PDF and HTML versions of the thesis, which attempts to examine generative typesetting (ie, going from one input into multiple outputs with various properties) through the lens of new media theory and the 'transductive' cybernetics of Gilbert Simondon. The introduction is particularly heavy with new media theory, but as the chapters progress I think it becomes more readable for those unfamiliar with this discourse. The 'Operating Systems' chapter was quite fun to write and hopefully contains some interesting history and reflections. One of the things this list might be excited about is the typography itself. I use many of Robert Bringhurst's suggestions, and I think the output is much the better for his advice.[^1] The HTML version was never totally finished (I'd prefer it to have JavaScript interaction and more Web-specific functionality). In fact, I had quite some plans for it, but as the deadline of the thesis approached, I necessarily poured my efforts more into content than presentation, and where presentation was concerned I was much more preoccupied with the Context version. All in all, I am happy with the thesis but I also know that it could use some work. If you have any feedback, please let me know. [^1]: If anyone is interested, I'm thinking I might make a module that sets up the environment according to these conventions. Because I was concerned with both PDF and HTML output, I chose to work in Markdown with Pandoc as my input format. Through the course of trying to manage a generative workflow, I had to make some unfortunate concessions: on the one hand, I had to process some of the input in order to get some basic things I needed, such as a blockquote environment for Context, handling the title page layout and abstract, among other things; and on the other hand I was forced to avoid bibliographic automation and instead had to be very careful to manually cite all my references. (This was because, at the time, Pandoc did not have the any capacity to do citation management that would work within HTML; with its new CiteProc support it seems that this is now feasible). Tagged PDF support is out of the question due to Pandoc generally only having MkII support, including lacking newer stuff like \startchapter..\stopchapter and \hyphenatedURL. The main conclusion I had about generative typesetting is that we are missing a crucial glue layer. I have written some on a system which I call Subtext, a mutable translation layer where one is in control of both the syntax and the translation effects from a configuration file. Pandoc is great, but Subtext approaches the edge cases of generative typesetting differently by encouraging output-specificities without requiring anyone to learn Haskell to gain a little more control. Looking over Hans' new `m-markdown` code, I am beginning to see a clearer vision of how to go about implementing this. I've done some presentations on generative typesetting: * [Generative Typesetting @ Libre Graphics Meeting 2011]( http://river-valley.tv/generative-typesetting-with-context/) * [Textual Liberation @ The Unbound Book Conference]( http://e-boekenstad.nl/unbound/index.php/john-haltiwanger-generative-typesetting/ ) * [Sozi notes]( http://drippingdigital.com/conf/unbound-book/textual-liberation.svg) Anyway, I thought that perhaps someone here might find some bit of this interesting. Have a great weekend! Sincerely, John ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markdown
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 19-7-2011 7:25, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: The code is derived from luamark (but a few 100% faster so I might have messed up). And of course, being the markdown evangelist, John will answer all questions. With pleasure :) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt to Markdown (was Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional)
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: 2011/7/19 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: When you find them, I would be interested in them. And maybe I can improve on them. Pandoc. :-) Pandoc does not support Context as an input. Nor does it support modern mkIV conventions (\startchapter..\stopchapter; \hyphenatedURL; etc). If anyone knows Haskell, maybe we can submit some patches to Pandoc to create a --mkiv switch for Context? Don't get me wrong, I use Pandoc all the time. But it is not a panacea, particularly for existing Context documents. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markdown
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: Hi Khaled, I took a look at the lunamark code, and ran it on some (copied) sample. As it was much slower than I'd expected from lpeg I messed around a little and could bring down the runtime on the sample from 2 sec to 0.1 sec. Anyhow, there is room for improvement so I wonder If I should take the code, wrap it up a bit, and make a module so that we can directly process markdown in context. (Of course we then need to keep an eye on how the original develops, if mkdown develops at all.) Markdown, in its official form, does not seem to evolve very much. However, there are extensions to the original syntax, such as those provided by Pandoc (including nice new reference functionalities) and also the Python Markdown processor. Anyway, this is great news! Can't wait to see it in action :) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com Found them. The names are all lowercase. I have: ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on them? I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough to learn to work with it. This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it would still refer to all the same pages. If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a WYSIWYG tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately). -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough to learn to work with it. This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it would still refer to all the same pages. If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a WYSIWYG tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately). The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. Or can I generate from my tex file something that has the meta information and can be edited in Scribus? Nope. As Mojca mentioned, PDF does not account for this kind of thing. I mentioned those tools as a basis for constructing an entire document from scratch. They have automatic page referencing similar to Context, but not in a post-hoc fashion. If they are only copy editing, I think you would be best served by exporting to xhtml. I generally write all my documents in Markdown and convert using Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. If they are doing layout.. Ouch. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com: Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. MkIV can create XML. :-) That is something I have heard much more than I have seen. If it can so easily do so, could a wizard please intervene and provide a recipe for producing XHTML from standard Context input?[^1] I have no doubt it can, but documentation of this relative necessity in this age of multi-output publishing is suboptimal.[^2] I swear that this information will go down throughout the ages as a conduit for better typography (and the wiki page dedicated to this process will become a keystone of expanded possibility in the future). Cecil, I don't think its fair to constrain yourself from ever using Context again. What does 'competely independent' mean? If you have been asked to hand over layout decisions, the best is to reproduce your document in XHTML, copy it into a word processor, and let them proceed with their own desing in their proprietary WYSIWYG software. Even if they just want to make textual changes, this is probably still be your best bet. You can then relatively easily convert them back to Context (a matter of re-mapping text into Context). There is a plan I have to produce an easier-for-point-and-clickers interface to collaborate on high quality Context based layouts, but the time hasn't appeared to materialize it yet. If you search through the archives for 'pandoc' you will see that many of us have chosen to abstract ourselves from direct dependence on Context for our document 'coding'. There is a tangible flexibility provided by writing in a visually semantic preformat like Markdown. It helps during the editing stages because it is easy to generate other formats that people are more familiar with (OpenOffice can be converted to Word---then it is a matter of 'backporting' changes to the Context source). If they weren't clear about planning to take on this design responsibility--which they should have long before the deadline--than I feel it is the fault of the editors and not the fault of Context. Under such conditions I would have written text for these people in something they understand, like an word processor document (LibreOffice can save as MS Word easily enough). Sorry to hear you are having trouble with this. I know what it is like to face the edge of a deadline. PS. For what it is worth, I do not think it would be _too_ hard to create a Context to Markdown translator.[^3] Since the backend supports XML, it should be able to map to a different semantic markup without much trouble.. right? [^1]: No CSS necessary, just classes and/or ids mapped to environment names. Apologies to anyone who has answered this question before: just point me towards where the answer is and I will make sure it finds its way to a prominent place on the wiki. [^2]: I understand that there is a description at the wiki, but it is many years old, maybe older than LuaTeX (the history says it is from 2007). Something fresher is in order I think. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] First baby steps with MKIV
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:03 AM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com wrote: -- source /home/safe/context/tex/setuptex context $1 better source /home/safe/context/tex/setuptex /home/safe/context/tex context $1 -- I haven't seen this before. What is the advantage of the second argument to source ? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Changing Body Font
Please take a look at the simplefonts module. \usemodule[simplefonts] \setmainfont[Ubuntu] \switchtobodyfont[11pt] (please correct me anyone, if I'm wrong). On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Hey list, I am trying to change the body font of my document in the environment file to use the Ubuntu font provided at, /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family/Ubuntu-R.ttf , by the ttf-ubuntu-font-family package. I have tried the following, but it did not appear to change anything, \setupbodyfont[ubuntu,11pt][file:ubuntu-r][features=default] I also tried, \setupbodyfont[ubuntu,11pt] Any help would be appreciated. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?
I hope my question does not come off as too aggressive, but why on earth are we still using BibTeX? Or, more accurately, when can we _stop_ using BibTeX and move onto something that has native UTF-8 support and can also integrate with a reasonable configuration environment such as CSL? What is the next step for bibliographies in Context? Surely we won't be chained to BibTeX (which has seemingly been largely been in practice for the sake of BibLaTeX) forever? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Javascript PC Emulator - Technical Notes
FWIW, it runs faster of Jaeger Monkey (Firefox 4) than it does on V8 (Chrome). Shouldn't the bogomips be relative to the performance of the processing layer? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote: 2011/5/17 Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch: so it's only a matter of time when TeX runs in the browser. I don't know how/if it is possible to access local files, but that should be doable (dropbox,...) s/run/crawls/ This emulates a pc with 20 bogomips and 30MB RAM. It's probably slower than the machine DEK used for development of TeX78. :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How to produce a dotless i with ConTeXt?
LuaTeX has total unicode representation in terms of content (are unicode characters possible for macro declarations? this is unclear at this point but clearly useful..) So, the last thing you need to do is abstract your special characters. Just input them according to how you would normally make them appear in a text field on your screen. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Thomas Schmitz tschm...@uni-bonn.dewrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:23:54 +0200 Verhaag, G.C.H.M. verhaagg...@ziggo.nl wrote: Thanks for the answers! Only one suggestion doesn't work for me; inserting the #305; (it looks like an HTML code not ConTeXt code!?) in my source file. Well, I prefer to use \dotlessi and \i, and don't like #305 or \char0131, because I'm not very good at remembering number codes! As Mojca already pointed out, I meant typing the character directly. I'm using a web mail interface which unfortunately replaces the character with this strange entity. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?
I've putthis on the psuedo-smallcaps wiki page as a more appropriate solution going into the future. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:38 PM, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote: Oh my! So close and yet so far... It works. Thank you very much! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2011 12:56 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta? Am 04.04.2011 um 12:50 schrieb C.: In MKII \sc switch to a different font but MKIV can just enable the smcp feature. Adding smcp=yes doesn't work as option for \setmainfont because you can use \definfontfeature and overload the default set, the only valid options from \definefontfeature are script, expansion and protrusion. [I'm using MKiV.] MkIV ;) Ok, let's leave the small capitals with \sc alone, they work when I specify script=latin in setmainfont. Now, how would I activate the feature c2sc (small capitals from capitals)? It worked like this in the past, but does not anymore: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[c2sc][default][c2sc=yes] \definefontfeature[c2sc][c2sc=yes] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?
Completely misunderstood the problem from the beginning. Wiki entry reverted. But I still hope that there is an easier solution to resolving a psuedo smallcaps from available capitals in a font in mkIV. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:49 AM, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote: Erm, these are no pseudo small caps! It’s a feature that substitutes capital letters with their small caps counterpart. So the font has actual small caps built into it. I’m using it to generate an “all small caps” title. I made this picture to explain: http://i55.tinypic.com/23tlev7.png You might wanna undo this wiki entry. Cheers! *Von:* John Haltiwanger [mailto:john.haltiwan...@gmail.com] *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2011 22:29 *An:* mailing list for ConTeXt users *Cc:* C. *Betreff:* Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta? I've putthis on the psuedo-smallcaps wiki page as a more appropriate solution going into the future. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:38 PM, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote: Oh my! So close and yet so far... It works. Thank you very much! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2011 12:56 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta? Am 04.04.2011 um 12:50 schrieb C.: In MKII \sc switch to a different font but MKIV can just enable the smcp feature. Adding smcp=yes doesn't work as option for \setmainfont because you can use \definfontfeature and overload the default set, the only valid options from \definefontfeature are script, expansion and protrusion. [I'm using MKiV.] MkIV ;) Ok, let's leave the small capitals with \sc alone, they work when I specify script=latin in setmainfont. Now, how would I activate the feature c2sc (small capitals from capitals)? It worked like this in the past, but does not anymore: \usemodule[simplefonts] \definefontfeature[c2sc][default][c2sc=yes] \definefontfeature[c2sc][c2sc=yes] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] MLA Workscited example no longer works
This worked fine when compiling my thesis last year.
-- test-workscited.tex
% for bibliographic entries
% following hanging indent code (also in workscited) taken from
% http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/005280.html
% [NTG-context] Re: Again: hanging for a lot of paragraphs?
% ~ Patrick Gundlach
\def\hangover{\hangafter=1\hangindent=0.5in}
\definestartstop[workscited][
before={
\page[no]
\indenting[never]
\startalignment[left]
\bibliography{Recommended Reading}
\stopalignment
\setupwhitespace[medium]
\bgroup\appendtoks\hangover\to\everypar
},
after={
\egroup
\indenting[yes]}]
\starttext
\startworkscited
\input{knuth}
\stopworkscited
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Does MKIV take more time as MKII
You can't have it Good, Cheap, and Fast all at once ;) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 14:47, Cecil Westerhof wrote: Both did not work for me. But removing --purgeall from my script reduced the time from 30 seconds to 10. When you don't use --purgeall, ConTeXt calculates different things (for example table of contents, cross-references etc.) and stores them to temporary files. Next time when you compile the same document without too many changes it simply reuses the old data. But if you remove the temporary files with --purgeall, ConTeXt has to recalculate everything from scratch. Out of curiosity I checked that on my own document and realized exactly the same thing. Compile time dropped from 27 to 9 seconds, but only because ConTeXt had to read and typeset the document three times (I thought it usually did it twice). If you remove all the temporary files and call context without --purgeall, it will also take 30 seconds to typeset everything; it is only the second and all the subsequent runs that finish the job faster. Mojca PS: You would get the same kind of behaviour in MKII (however if MKII only runs twice and if there is a speed factor of 1.5, you could declare MKII being three times faster which does make some difference when compilation time is long). PPS (not to be taken (too) seriously): But I wouldn't be surprized if, say, two years from now you would try to repeat the experiment just to find out that MKIV became faster. (Unlikely to happen, but imaging Taco coming to idea to use all the four processor cores of your new machine and Hans reducing the number of required runs from three to two plus some extra optimizations.) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Thomas Schmitz tschm...@uni-bonn.dewrote: Hi Florian, On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:45:16 +0100 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or \placepublications[criterium=text]? We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. This is exciting. I think it's very important that we throw out BibTeX altogether in MkIV, and I hope that this work Hans is doing right now is somehow related to it. If it were ever possible to implement bibliography styles with something akin to string.format Lua calls, well, who wouldn't love that kind of flexibility? ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Line spacing on a cover page
To me the space between 'Freed' and 'by' looks awkward:
\starttext
\startalignment[left]
\bgroup
\switchtobodyfont[72pt]
{\ss Freed \par
by \par
Design}
\egroup
\stoptext
-- Should I be using \start..\stoplines ? or is this a bug?
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Re: [NTG-context] Line spacing on a cover page
Thanks Verdan and Wolfgang. As I suspected, \startlines was the way to go.
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 10.03.2011 um 18:28 schrieb John Haltiwanger:
\startalignment[left]
\bgroup
\switchtobodyfont[72pt]
{\ss Freed \par
by \par
Design}
\egroup
\startlines[align=flushright,style={\switchtobodyfont[72pt,ss]}]
Freed
by
Design
\stoplines
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Text to edges of page
Hi all, I would have though the following code would produce text flush to the edges of the paper, but there is significant whitespace on the right and bottom sides. Probably there is an obvious setting, but it eludes me now: \definepapersize[short][width=600px,height=440px] \setuppapersize[short][short] \setuplayout[ backspace=0mm, topspace=0mm, margin=0mm, header=0mm, footer=0mm ] \setupindenting[none] \setupwhitespace[medium] \setupinterlinespace[22pt] \starttext \input Tufte \input Knuth \input Tufte \stoptext ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Text to edges of page
Nevermind, the answer is simple: \setuplayout[ backspace=0mm, topspace=0mm, margin=0mm, header=0mm, footer=0mm width=600px, height=440px ] On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I would have though the following code would produce text flush to the edges of the paper, but there is significant whitespace on the right and bottom sides. Probably there is an obvious setting, but it eludes me now: \definepapersize[short][width=600px,height=440px] \setuppapersize[short][short] \setuplayout[ backspace=0mm, topspace=0mm, margin=0mm, header=0mm, footer=0mm ] \setupindenting[none] \setupwhitespace[medium] \setupinterlinespace[22pt] \starttext \input Tufte \input Knuth \input Tufte \stoptext ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] TTF fonts and MKIV
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 29.01.2011 um 06:42 schrieb David Rogers: * John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com [2011-01-28 16:39]: Is there a short, simple guide somewhere that shows how to use TTF and OTF fonts in Context? I downloaded the new Fonts chapter but it goes deep into the weeds on typescripts etc. I am looking for a method that allows me to do in Context what I can already do in most other DTP programs: simply designate for use a font or font family that exists in /usr/share/fonts without typescripts, complex and confusing aliasing schemes or tfm files. The Simplefont module by Wolfgang Schuster is very good for my (not highly demanding) purposes. Certainly it is intended to do just what you describe. Or you use \definetypeface and specserif, specsans and specmono, e.g. \definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Times New Roman][default] \definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Arial] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][tt][specmono] [Courier][default] \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [times] [default] \setupbodyfont[mainface] \starttext … \stoptext I've added this to the wiki page on using Fonts in LuaTeX, but since I don't know anything about these spec settings it for now just consists of our example Wolfgang. If you send back some explanations then I will add them to the wiki as well. Are these basically the same settings as used in simplefonts? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How can I properly credit ConTeXt
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Marco Pessotto melmo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello there.
This was meant to be a mail to say thanks to the ConTeXt/LuaTeX teams
for the wonderful work they did and are doing. I'm pretty new to ConTeXt
but I'm really impressed. It happens that I'm typesetting a journal that
will hit the printer soon. Now, the question sounds: how can I credit
ConTeXt/LuaTeX properly? (no, it won't generate any profit so I can't
really donate some bucks; as a matter of fact I'm volunteering this)
I was thinking about something like:
\vfill
\startalignment[center]
Typeset with \ConTeXt\ and \luaTeX\
\goto{\hyphenatedurl{http://wiki.contextgarden.net}}
[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
\blank[big]
Fonts used: Linux Libertine
\goto{\hyphenatedurl{http://www.linuxlibertine.org}}
[url(http://www.linuxlibertine.org)]
\stopalignment
Is it OK?
It should be fine, but why not set it up as a standard colophon?
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[NTG-context] [OT] QTeXEngine
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote: work for ConTeXt and then I would like to know what other alternatives I have. Also regarding rtf or/and odt. Since you do not need any fancy features, a simpler option is to use markdown as your starting format and use pandoc to convert it to context, html, and odt. However, creating even slightly complicated tables in markdown is a pain, unless your editor supports an ascii table mode. This is indeed a decent solution, one which worked for typesetting my thesis in PDF and HTML. (You get RTF and ODT for free, assuming it doesn't take much glue to get it to look the way you want). I had to write a wrapper script to do regular expression parsing to take care of edge cases (pandoc is written in Haskell, so to 'scripting' the application requires working in that language; my choice was to do a more hackish approach that used a Ruby script that generated multiple markdown files) Aditya, do perhaps know one of these editors with ASCII table mode? Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] MAPS journal module oddities
The first strange thing that I notice is that the subtitle is set in a much
more prominent style than the title. This seems backwards to me.
The second concern is that the numbers for footnotes (but not the notes
themselves, thankfully) appear outside of where they should (which is in the
Notes section, with \plcefootnotes). Adding \setupfootnotes[text] to the
template I found on the wiki ( http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules/Maps )
did not seem to have an effect.
\usemodule[maps]
\setupfootnotes[text]
\starttext
\startArticle [
Title=+ Title of the article +,
SubTitle=+ Optional subtitle +,
Number=+ MAP Number +,
Period=+ MAP Period +,
Author=+ Author plus contact details +,
RunningAuthor=+ Author name to appear in the header +
]
% The Author parameter doesn't require any particular structure.
% Add a RunningAuthor parameter if the Author parameter is too
% elaborate or complex for use in a page header.
\startAbstract
+ Write Article Abstract +
\stopAbstract
\startKeywords
+ Write Article Keywords +
\stopKeywords
Any simple footnote adds its number twice.\note[here]
As you can see it happens again\note[there]
\footnote[here]{Right?}
\footnote[there]{ :( }
% MAPS places footnotes at the end of the article
\subject{Note}
\placefootnotes
\stopArticle
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt
I thought I'd give the mailing list a small change of pace---instead of asking how to do it, I will show you :) The short answer is: \starttext My Concrete Poem \startlines All the whitespace will print ! \stoplines \stoptext However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro. I've documented the solution to this situation on my blog: http://drippingdigital.com/blog/2010/09/typesetting-poetry-in-context/ Thanks to Wolfgang Schuster for helping me work it out! ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt
Apologies, as a very significant aspect of this process was omitted in the previous email! Don't forget to do: \setuplines[space=on] first! On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd give the mailing list a small change of pace---instead of asking how to do it, I will show you :) The short answer is: \starttext My Concrete Poem \startlines All the whitespace will print ! \stoplines \stoptext However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro. I've documented the solution to this situation on my blog: http://drippingdigital.com/blog/2010/09/typesetting-poetry-in-context/ Thanks to Wolfgang Schuster for helping me work it out! ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt
I don't usually define macros like that (isn't that more of a
\definestartstop kind of deal?).
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:
Apologies, as a very significant aspect of this process was omitted in the
previous email!
Don't forget to do:
\setuplines[space=on]
first!
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, John Haltiwanger
john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought I'd give the mailing list a small change of pace---instead of
asking how to do it, I will show you :)
The short answer is:
\starttext
My Concrete Poem
\startlines
All the whitespace
will print !
\stoplines
\stoptext
However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro.
What do you mean by that these macros are not available?
Doesn't the following work? (untested, but I will be really surprised if it
doesn't work)
\def\startpoety
{\startlines
% All the remaining setup
}
\def\stoppoety
{%whatever setup you want
\stoplines}
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt
What Wolfgange said :)
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 16.09.2010 um 00:38 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a
macro.
What do you mean by that these macros are not available?
Doesn't the following work? (untested, but I will be really surprised if
it doesn't work)
\def\startpoety
{\startlines
% All the remaining setup
}
\def\stoppoety
{%whatever setup you want
\stoplines}
He use
\def\poetry
{\startlines
line 1
line 2
...
\stoplines}
and this doesn't work.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt
Yeah, that seems like a good way to go. Now I finally understand what
Wolfgang was saying last night :)
Since whitespace wasn't important to this particular poem, it did not matter
(using \par worked fine). But I will update my blog with this for sure, as
in the case of whitespace-sensitive poetry its a much better solution.
In general though, it is completely unnecessary, as poetry generally has no
need to be defined in macros. But it's the edge cases, where I live :)
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 16.09.2010 um 00:38 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro.
What do you mean by that these macros are not available?
Doesn't the following work? (untested, but I will be really surprised if
it doesn't work)
\def\startpoety
{\startlines
% All the remaining setup
}
\def\stoppoety
{%whatever setup you want
\stoplines}
He use
\def\poetry
{\startlines
line 1
line 2
...
\stoplines}
and this doesn't work.
Oh. In that case, I will do
\startbuffer[poerty]
line 1
line
\stopbuffer
\def\poetry
{\startlines
\getbuffer[poetry]
\stoplines}
or even
\def\getpoerty#1[#2]%
{\startlines
\getbuffer[#2]
\stoplines}
That should work (again untested).
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:
In general though, it is completely unnecessary, as poetry generally has
no
need to be defined in macros. But it's the edge cases, where I live :)
On the contrary, typesetting poerty can be very tricky. This is what I did
once to typeset the divine comedy. Don't ask how I figured out the right
value of the inbetween key :)
\setupindenting [medium,yes]
\setuplines[inbetween={\crlf\par\setupindenting[next]\testpage[3]},indenting=next]
\starttext
\startlines
Midway upon the journey of our life
I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost.
Ah me! how hard a thing it is to say
What was this forest savage, rough, and stern,
Which in the very thought renews the fear.
So bitter is it, death is little more;
But of the good to treat, which there I found,
Speak will I of the other things I saw there.
I cannot well repeat how there I entered,
So full was I of slumber at the moment
In which I had abandoned the true way.
But after I had reached a mountain's foot,
At that point where the valley terminated,
Which had with consternation pierced my heart,
...
\stoplines
\stoptext
Yes, but this is an example of what I am saying: in general
\startlines..\stoplines is enough (albeit here with some extra stuff
integrated into \setuplines[inbetween=]). It seems to me that pretty much
only if you are doing something generative would you need to worry about the
specifics of buffers and defining macros for typesetting poetry (as was my
case with writing a dedication page in a pandoc template). No
\startpoem..\stoppoem, or even \poem (though now I am having some nice ideas
for weird poetry.. as I said, I spend a lot of time with edge cases ;)
Interestingly, this conversation has cleared up a few lingering details in
my mind re: ConTeXt. Maybe a poetry typesetting tutorial is a worthy way to
explain some key concepts?
I'd be really curious to see your edition of the Inferno, by the way.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt meeting Lua tutorials
How about including Lua library loading in the tutorial? The discussion of converting from pre-formats like Markdown seems like a good starting point for demonstrating how to load Lua libraries and integrate procedural programming into a ConTeXt workflow. Hopefully I will be there, still rounding up the cash but it looks like I might make it. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 25-8-2010 10:05, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Am 24.08.2010 um 20:37 schrieb Oliver Buerschaper: Hi all, Today I started preparations for my activities at the ConTeXt meeting. There are two small lua tutorials in the program, and I am looking for input on both. There is one that is supposed to be a general beginner's introduction, and one specifically about fonts. For both, I am looking for input on what subjects I should cover? Since both tutorials will end up as articles/wiki pages, it makes sense to ask everybody on the list for input (but requests by actual attendees will be scored considerably higher). Perhaps some example to modify a font at runtime? I don't know whether that's possible at all, but if yes, it would be great to see how one could modify kerning tables etc. Often a font needs to be groomed but its license places some restrictions on modifying the file itself... +1 This is somewhat tricky. Actually I had a mechanism for that but I discarded the code. However there will be a feature like that some day as it needs a rather tight integration in the core of context's font handling. (btw, there is a feature for type 1 fonts that adds 'missing' kerns based on shape codes). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] other markup to ConTeXt
This was exactly what I was wondering last night: How hard would it be to just write the converter into LuaTeX? Does LuaTeX's position as a moving target affect this at all? As you suggest Phillip, it might not be so difficult. It certainly sounds like a worthwhile project. Seeming as how there is an obvious spread of interest, perhaps we can start working on something collaboratively. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Philipp Gesang pges...@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de wrote: On 2010-08-14 07:19:17, Gour D. wrote: Finally, for the high-quality output, we plan to convert to ConTeXt (via pandoc since there is no ConTeXt writer for sphinx/docutils) for high-quality PDF output (if rst2pdf won't be satisfying or if we would like to provide paper putput. Hi Gour, Hraban, John, and the list, did you consider directly processing reST or similar markdown with context using lua? Certainly it has advantages to have a converter output context (backslash style) code and being able to finalize it. But implementing some .rst processing directly in context shouldn't be that hard (and with luatex you could handle the html output as well). Has somebody already made some steps in that way? (I'm thinking about doing so for quite some time now but then, it's not that pressing either.) Philipp ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Simplefonts + Linux Libertine fails to do italics and bold
The following shows a problem I am seeing when trying to use the
opentype version of Linux Libertine with the simplefonts module.
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[linlibertineo]
\starttext
Well, {\em this} doesn't work but {\sc this} does... and bold {\bf
neither}
\stoptext
Using a recent minimals and a luatex ~0.60.2 .
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Re: [NTG-context] Simplefonts + Linux Libertine fails to do italics and bold
Thanks, that resolves it! On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.08.10 13:58, schrieb John Haltiwanger: The following shows a problem I am seeing when trying to use the opentype version of Linux Libertine with the simplefonts module. \usemodule[simplefonts] \setmainfont[linlibertineo] You have to use the full name of the font, e.g. \setmainfont[Linux Libertine O] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Footnote numbers not following \setupinteraction color
I seem to be full of problems today:
---
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupinteraction[state=start, color=black]
\setupcolor[hex]
\definecolor[titleRed][h=910A00]
\starttext
This \footnote{should not have a red color, correct?}
\stoptext
---
The footnote number in the page footer inherits color titleRed, though
the footnote notice in the text is properly black.
Also, this doesn't seem to affect links in my ToC (they aren't titleRed).
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Re: [NTG-context] other markup to ConTeXt (was: simplefonts or Typecripts)
This is very similar to a project in which I am planning to engage in the near future. Output to both HTML and PDF utilizing a simple markup seems to be a killer feature that at least some of us are looking for. Cross-media publishing, however, is never painless. It's like a Holy Grail. Pandoc makes me want to either learn Haskell or implement my own markup with a focus towards multiple output formats and typesetting in general (most markups seem to be focused on developer workflows). Anyway, a fruitful space for ConTeXt, thanks to its strive for configurability. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net wrote: Am 2010-08-13 um 21:11 schrieb Gour D.: For now, it can be enough considering that atm we'll mostly write markdown/reST and convert to ConTeXt via pandoc, but later we'll go into final production... Sounds interesting. What's your workflow? Do you use a special editor (WYSIWYM?) for your markup? For a new project I'm planning to use some simple markup (probably ReST) with a Web CMS to create HTML and ConTeXt - PDF. (I won't need math.) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Aligning titles so that they begin in the margin rather at text edge
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such strange inventions. These new words somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... So what do you write instead? Negro? And what's wrong with Negro? AFAIK, it means black, so it just describes the reality. This is what a word should do, right? And btw, the term Afroamerican doesn't really make much sense to me: what would you call a Negro, born in France, and living in Germany, when you wanted to distinguish him from a white man? (Please note that by man, I mean a human being of any sex;).) To be more serious: I accept that there might be a problem caused by the fact that I am not a native speaker of English. I suspect that somehow the neutral term Negro started being used in a derogatory fashion, and that it might be unpleasant to black people to be called Negroes. And that's why I usually say just black people. So what is your issue here then? You are already working by the rules I proposed: using the words that the group wishes to be called by (or at least not using the words which they don't). BTW, 'Negro' is definitely not a term to be used for referring to black Americans. IIRC, it is a positive term in Brazil. The point is to be aware of these things and to respect people's wishes regarding them, rather than blithely pretending that any name you use should automatically be fine simply because, well, YOU don't see the problem with using the term Negro (for instance). 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying, which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled). Well, onerous might not be the best word. Scary might be better. You see, I am quite convinced that trying to manipulate language by hand is a very bad idea. Maybe this is partly because I live in a former Communist country (Poland); we have seen such things in the past. Another reason maybe that it seems to me that one of the first groups to talk about political correctness (maybe even coining the phrase, I don't know) were feminists, who did so much more harm to women in general than we usually imagine. I understand your sensitivity vis a vis Regime Imposed language tuning. You have got to be kidding me with that anti-feminist talk, though. I'm not going to go there with you, especially after your explanation below. This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT (in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a depressing thought. I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well fit for this particular purpose. (Of course, we all know notable exceptions. Also note that better/worse fit for one particular purpose is completely unrelated to better/worse in general.) I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has decided to accept and repeat this fact over and over, and men will generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the attempt), then it will come to appear as true. But that doesn't make it any less BS. Put out some science for that one, dude. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 28-7-2010 1:12, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a):
I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start
a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of
interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.)
I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist
will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more
often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...)
as normally one can swap he/she without problems, we can make a module for
that ..
% Of course one can now wonder if \heshe or \shehe should be defined first.
\getrandomcount\scratchcounter{0}{10}
\ifnum\scratchcounter5
\enablemode[gender:male]
\edef\heshe {he}
\edef\HeShe {He}
\edef\hisher{His}
\else
\enablemode[gender:female]
\edef\heshe {she}
\edef\HeShe {She}
\edef\hisher{Her}
\fi
\let\shehe \heshe
\let\SheHe \HeShe
\let\herhis\hisher
\starttext
I wonder if \heshe\ likes reading this article.
\stoptext
(looks like i need to move some initialization code as the seed is set at
starttext time which is too late)
This is really cool :)
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote: Personally I feel that the political correctness has gone a bit too far, but where the line should be drawn, I don't know. I can provide a few examples of where political correctness *has* gone too far and can actually be even counter-productive: In Slovenia it is rude to call Bosnians Bosanci, Albanians Šiptarji and Gypsies Cigani and the official political correct terms for them are: Bošnjaki, Albanci and Romi. With first two the problem is that they even officially call _themselves_ Bosanci and Šiptarji in their own language. Who is considering it rude? Do the Bosanci consider it rude when you call them Bosanci and prefer that you would use Bošnjaki? Or is it a different set of people who are offended? This is my personal litmus test for navigating the preferred naming of groups (preferred by the groups themselves, that is). There are many cases in American culture at least of groups using a term within themselves that they do not want others to use, but not usually the names used by that population when politely referring to themselves (i.e. generally these terms are loaded slang words appropriated from the dominating culture and internalized in order to redistribute the balance of power that forms around that word.) So I'm wondering if the situation you describe in Slovenia is being driven by these groups, or if those groups would actually prefer to go by the name they call themselves. With the so called Roma people, the problem is even bigger, since to my knowledge Roma are just one of the tribes. So by having to call _all_ gypsies Roma, you are effectively putting one tribe in front of the others and denying the existence of the others. I have to ask the same question: Do the tribes in general prefer Romi over Cigani? Also: am I going to far in assuming that any movement to encourage them to all be called by their individual tribal names would inevitably be referred to as pushing a 'politically correct' agenda? In proper synchronistic fashion, I came across this piece today that fits our topic of discussion: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383131592767868.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read -- Lost in Translation -- New cognitive research suggests that language profoundly influences the way people see the world; a different sense of blame in Japanese and Spanish All this new research shows us that the languages we speak not only reflect or express our thoughts, but also shape the very thoughts we wish to express. The structures that exist in our languages profoundly shape how we construct reality, and help make us as smart and sophisticated as we are. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such strange inventions. These new words somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... So what do you write instead? Negro? 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying, which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled). This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT (in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a depressing thought. I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun. Then, anyone reading can insert he/she or another option to their own taste. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun. Unicode encodes scripts, not languages, so that's outside of its scope. Even if you were to develop a new character that would function as a neutral gender pronoun in English or other languages, it would still be attached to one (or several) language(s). You're of course free to advocate its use in all existing languages with a written standard, but that would take some time ;-) And even then, it would leave out the vast majority of languages, those that are only spoken. I don't see how this applies: there are plenty of characters provided by Unicode that can be used regardless of which language I am writing in.. such as the male/female symbols already mentioned. So in this case, it would be a symbol for the 'language of the internet', not simply for a single language. Some symbols are available regardless of the general language used, correct? Granted, I know next to nothing about font encodings, so I'll defer here to the knowledge of others. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide: it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance. It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he' to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another). Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was adopted because 'one' (the real correct unisex pronoun) is just too awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads surprisingly well. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote: Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is always a bit odd. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Richard Stephens
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On 26-7-2010 11:48, John Haltiwanger wrote:
It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he'
to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another).
Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was
adopted because 'one' (the real correct unisex pronoun) is just too
awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads
surprisingly well.
maybe male authors could use he and female authors could use she
consistently (or we could get accustomed to 'it')
Hans
The trend that I have noticed (and which trips off the tongue most easily
for British english-speakers) is to use the plural 'they' in place of the
singular pronoun 'he' or 'she'. This avoids having to choose! For purists,
it rankles, but then we have to accept that the language will change.
Personally, for serious writing, I use the rather cumbersome, but
grammatically correct, 'he or she'. I personally don't like 'he/she'. The
use of 'one' as a pronoun in British english is pretty much dead and sounds
very stilted to us - only the Queen and old school masters still use it!
Using 'it' is not an option.
Best regards,
Richard
The best thing about switching the pronouns between uses (so, not even
on a sentence basis--in case that is how my first explanation was
perceives--but on the 'usage' of a pronoun. So, generally restricted
to a paragraph) is that you are making the explicit ('he or she')
implicit. You demonstrate that it is equally normal for one to occur
in the place of another in the current of your explanation, without
being cumbersome to speak within any given sentence (unless one is
uncomfortable with the subject noun of a given sentence being
feminine, of course).
The solution of sticking to your own gender is complicated by the
historical-and-ongoing trend to male dominance in academia. The
problematic of the gendered pronoun emerges as male voices normalize
the male as the subject of discourse. In this way Hans' solution would
only perpetuate the issue at hand, which is that feminine pronouns
appear as an other when all you ever see is male pronouns. It's
invocation is, simply by virtue of its disparity in appearance, an
edge case. Language has deep roots in the mind such that a linguistic
framing of something as Other can and in fact does 'other' the subject
at which the framing is directed. Some theorists, both male and
female, take it to the position of only using feminine pronouns in
their examples that require third-person. Others change it within
individual sentences in a more extreme demonstration of juxtaposition.
Personally, I find it a sign of forward-thinking when pronouns are
'neutralized' through this juxtaposition of possibility (ie both are
shown to fit equally the examples provided). Perhaps it is simply the
times I grew up in, but reading a man only ever writing 'he' implies a
crucial non-existence of concern re: the subject in the writer's mind.
I don't throw out their theory as a result of it, but it is certainly
something I note.
Then again, I'm a fringe member of a fringe discipline (new media), so
perhaps what I can do/what is expected linguistically is irrelevant
for the majority.
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Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: Let's distinguish typographical engineering from typographical programming. This will not be a book on the latter per se. Typographical engineering can be done by a non-programmer -- structured and automated processing using the high-level commands of Context. Typographic programming is an advanced topic, for which this book can serve as an introduction. Thanks for the distinction. In that case, I think this is even better. For typographic programming, of course the TeXBook is, if no indispensable, then extremely useful. And for typographical engineering? From your distinction, that is much more what I am looking for. Can you explain what you mean by appendix on workflows? Sorry, I meant editor workflows with ConTeXt (ie Authoring in Notepad++). A community model for feedback on the book would be useful. I don't want it too open at the moment -- can slow down development and I want to get this DONE. But maybe a select audience of test-able volunteers will be the way to go... thnx for that suggestion! Please let me know if I can help. Given the suitability of this book's angle to what I am doing and the level I'm working from I do think my perspective can be useful. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: My 3 cents: if you want to have your thesis done *quickly* and in an easy, howto - recipe - faq way, just use LaTeX (probably with amsrefs/tikz/memoir/a few others). If you want to do more unusual things, and have some spare time to play with them and ask a lot of questions here - use ConTeXt. (Some time ago, on the blog of the Malaysian LaTeX User Group (http://latex-my.blogspot.com/) there was a nice example of having a colourful, good-looking book done in LaTeX, btw, so it's also possible, of course; but LaTeX was *not* designed with such things in mind.) It is not just a matter of typesetting the thesis in ConTeXt---ConTeXt is a subject of study. But even barring that, my brief experience with LaTeX was more than enough to know that the very design of the macro package irks me to a degree I would not like to use it at all, for whatever purpose. It is like Ruby on Rails: convention over configuration. No thank you, I'm not looking for a thesis that looks like an AMS paper, and no matter how hard ConTeXt can be to start learning, my money is that hacking LaTeX to make it look the way I want is much much more difficult. The thesis also has to target both electronic and print PDFs. There is just nothing LaTeX offers me besides a poorly designed (imo) system that will take as much time, if not more, to learn how to customize to my liking than ConTeXt. And please, *do* read the TeXbook - it's so much fun! As I said, it will be read. I was just trying to discern in which order. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:08 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:58 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: Would that make it feasible to somehow chain Parrot's Lua to LuaTeX? parrot ~ luajit cfr. http://luajit.org/ Maybe some day luatex will be jitluatex but I don't see here a priority --- luajit is x86 specific for example. My point of view is not so new COM .NET , plug-in all share the same concept of dynamic loading --- but the don't know the concept of typographical programming. Parrot also knows dynamic loading, so that probably makes much more sense than some ad-hoc tethering of the two interpreters. If I understand the design of Parrot properly, then as soon as one language has defined an interface to LuaTeX, that interface will be usable in other languages on the VM. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu: It is a book on ConTeXt, but NOT a ConTeXtBook, ConTeXt Companion, or other clone. Rather, it aims to introduce Context as a general tool for typographical and typesetting engineering. Some of the philosophy of book design and layout will be discussed, and it will contain a strong reference to commands etc. As the unique nature of typographical programming has lead it to under-documentation, I want to say that maintaining this as a central focus is a brilliant idea. Will Section II involve describing some detail important aspects of ConTeXt's internals? NB: MKIV ONLY! The basic outline is I. Ontology and Theory II. Typographical Engineering in Context [including special topics, advanced techniques of luatex, opentype etc] III. A Typographical Engineer's Reference [organization of options and commands, glossary] IV. Appendix: Authoring in Notepad++ [or some other tool] V. Indices So no knowledge or familiarity with TeX is assumed at all. We will cover some advanced topics as well, including introductions to luatex scripting etc As this is precisely my situation, perhaps I can offer you the benefit of a test-able target audience? Today I am already looking into the best route to learning TeX/mkiv in a holistic (ie not just looking for the 'recipe' I need to meet a given deadline). I have just entered full-time thesis mode, so the question begins Should I just sit down and read the TeXBook? (something that will be done regardless, it's just a question as what is most worthwhile to Getting Something Done Right Now) or would it be that the LuaTeX manual is more directly applicable? Or, perhaps, a chapter from your book? ;) I was not planning to announce this for some time yet, but given the buzz around the topic on ConTeXt documentation Hans thought it would be a good moment to introduce this project and to get your feedback. So please use this thread to make suggestions: What would you all like to see covered in the planned book project: Typographical Ontology and Engineering: Structured and Automated Authoring in Context I look forward to your feedback and suggestions! I think the more you source it with the community, the stronger it will become. That is, our ignorance will most likely help you refine it in ways you wouldn't have expected to need to. But in other ways as well. For example, the appendix on workflows can gain a lot from community input I'd think. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:41 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: As a computer engineer, one of the most import point of luatex-ConTeXMKIV is the possibility offered by Lua of an easy binding with external C/C++ shared library. This adds another dimension to literate programming, and in some circumstances eliminates the separation between documentation and code. For example, you can write an article in mkiv about Computational Commutative Algebra and the article *is* the program because is processed by the binding of luatex to a comp.comm.alg library Or you can write a text about electrical net and, if you have a binding to a spice library, the text is also the program that resolve the net and show the result (in a graphical manner also, thank to mplib). I'm pretty sure that there are others examples in mechanical sectors, financial sectors, combinatorial area and so on, maybe logic too. CPU power and disk storage are not a problem: 8cores-8GigaByte-1Tera computer has already reach the mass-market and context mkiv and luatex are well designed. I've been imagining what opportunities might be available via the Parrot platform, as there is a native Lua on the VM that could ostensibly share objects/classes/methods/code with any other language on the platform. Not sure what kind of bridging options will be available between Parrot and LuaTeX, but I think I remember something about being able to 'inject' Lua statements into the LuaTeX engine (at some point)? Would that make it feasible to somehow chain Parrot's Lua to LuaTeX? I'm not a true software engineer, just a self-taught tinkerer with wild ideas. I hadn't been thinking in such literate programming terms, but that sounds incredibly cool. 2010/4/3 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com: As this is precisely my situation, perhaps I can offer you the benefit of a test-able target audience? Today I am already looking into the best route to learning TeX/mkiv in a holistic (ie not just looking for the 'recipe' I need to meet a given deadline). I have just entered full-time thesis mode, so the question begins Should I just sit down and read the TeXBook? (something that will be done regardless, it's just a question as what is most worthwhile to Getting Something Done Right Now) or would it be that the LuaTeX manual is more directly applicable? Or, perhaps, a chapter from your book? ;) Sorry to reply to myself, but the send button got pressed a bit early. The point is, I want to approach TeX/mkiv in a holistic way. I don't necessarily want to be mired in TeX constraints when it seems LuaTeX will be a) easier b) more relevant c) more powerful. However, I can imagine that knowing the former is important to understanding/learning the latter. Anyway, at the moment I'm content to read Taco's new typography chapter and add a few notes :) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: Pick up a pen and go 'n write On any part of ConTeXt that you like A wiki article, a blog post, are good places to start People reading them will relish the knowledge it imparts You forgot to mention the part where someone said he was planning to do these things ;) I literally haven't had time to launch some real projects using ConTeXt. Everything so far has been ad-hoc environment setups that look relatively decent. My first step is to learn (and document that learning) a project using the structure presented here http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Project_structure . I'll keep you posted. Also, I want to say that this kind of anonymous poetry is, to me, proof-positive of an excellent community. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user context.u...@gmail.com wrote: Pick up a pen and go 'n write On any part of ConTeXt that you like A wiki article, a blog post, are good places to start People reading them will relish the knowledge it imparts Or be brave and reach salvation Like John, use ConTeXt as a topic of your dissertation You forgot to mention the part where someone said he was planning to do these things ;) Corrected :D :D ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2010 19:14:20 John Haltiwanger wrote: Also, I want to say that this kind of anonymous poetry is, to me, proof-positive of an excellent community. Beers all around (in Prague next September)! Ah, another good sign! ;) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book
Ah, I was going to respond in an offlist email to Arthur that I am available for help. My masters thesis, though evolved considerably since I first submitted a vague description some months ago, is still significantly focused on ConTeXt. I will necessarily be documenting the means by which I overcome certain obstacles, achieve certain effects, etc. This will appear through blog posts, and in the end may or may not be typeset into a kind of Excursion-style PDF. All this discussion of poor documentation at times brings fear into my enthusiasm for this thesis. On the one hand I do not wish to rely on mk.II, and on the other I've heard people say that any projects they begin in mk.IV end up being written for mk.II for stability purposes. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Anyway, just wanted to say that there was to be at least one more individual offering help. Too bad it turns out to be a joke :/ Regards, John Haltiwanger On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 2-4-2010 11:57, luigi scarso wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Good news - if it isn't an April hoax. :-) Martin, you're so evil! Don't ever ruin my jokes again -- I didn't ruin yours 3 years again (the one where you announced XPSTeX, and said Microsoft would embed pdfTeX in Word). Fortunately people didn't pay too much attention to your mail :-] To all: it was, indeed, an April Fool's joke I suggested to Hans and Taco. Nobody has offered to pay anyone to write ConTeXt documentation yet, although several people have toyed with the idea of writing a ConTeXt book. But, even with the incentive of money, time and motivation are also a problem. And to the only one who offered help -- Luigi: gloria a te! It's heartwarming to see truly sincere support. I'm sorry I have nothing to provide for the moment, but maybe in the near future things will get moving? Have a nice Good Friday everyone, So let's see this year what I have won; Taco: ++ beers (one for last year...) Hans: + beer Arthur: + beer Martin: 1/2 beer (* I * remember it) but that's a german size which is twice the dutch so ... They are 4.5 beers for me --- a good motive to come bachoTeX...hmm.. 5 then ... i'd better let you update the modules documentation then before you start drinking (there will be a current next week, so you have plenty of time) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: well, i use mkiv exclusively so that might be a sign that it's not that bad; the main issue is to keep mkiv and luatex in sync Good to know :) I would much prefer mkiv as well, as luatex seems much easier to grok than TeX. I have the luck to be entering typographical programming at a new stage. To what degree can luatex be relied on to accomplish all that TeX macros can? Does certain functionality still require TeX code? Re: documentation, Perhaps a thing to do in the meantime is start a section on the wiki where we do a command by command description of what different macros accomplish? (Apologies if I'm mincing terminologies here). Starting with the undocumented ones, but then working back and providing a bit of insight into use cases, such as what 'middle' may mean in a given instance, or that it's the best/required option (this point is still fuzzy to me). The command ref is just not insightful at my level of TeX. The thesis case study is concurrent typesetting of itself in HTML, ODT, and ConTeXt. Part of the idea is to interrogate different capabilities and comparing the processes between the formats for accomplishing the same thing (toggle-able sidenotes instead of footnote/endnote citations in ConTeXt vs HTML, for instance). So in that sense there should be more tutorial style content available for the wiki. I'll be pestering the list for help in those areas, I'm sure. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] RCS/git server (was: Transliterator module, 2nd revision)
Another option is Gitosis: http://swik.net/gitosis from http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way: I have been asked more and more these days, How do I host a Git repository? Usually it is assumed that some access control beyond simply read-only is involved (some users have commit rights). With access control comes issues of security, and that's a whole other bag of cats. This post is about presenting an answer to this question, without the fuss. The rest of this article will be a tutorial showing you how to host and manage Git repositories with access control, easily and safely. I use an up and coming tool called *gitosis http://eagain.net/gitweb/?p=gitosis.git*that my friend Tv http://eagain.net/ wrote to help make hosting git repos easier and safer. It manages multiple repositories under one user account, using SSH keys to identify users. *However, users do *not* need shell accounts on the server, instead they will talk to one shared account that does not allow arbitrary commands.* Git itself is used to setup gitosis and manage the Git repos, which pleases the recursion-seeking orthogonal CS-side of my brain. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2010-03-10 um 23:09 schrieb Mojca Miklavec: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 17:01, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 10.03.10 10:47, schrieb Philipp Gesang: I have opened a bitbucket account in order to not to clutter the mailing list with archives. The tip revision can be found here: http://bitbucket.org/phg/transliterator/get/2fc2b5fbbd46.gz and the precompiled manual over here: http://bitbucket.org/phg/transliterator/downloads/transliterator.pdf Can you also add the module to the module section [1] on the wiki, We urgently need to have some git server or something similar on the garden for modules. Maybe SVN would also do for a while. The current approach is very clumsy to use. see http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#public-repositories If the web server running supports WebDAV, we could use that: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/setup-git-server-over-http.txt Otherwise you'd need to run git daemon (usually on port 9418): http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-daemon.html For my non-public projects I just access the repos on my webserver via ssh, but that wouldn't be enough for ConTeXt modules - or perhaps it would, if everyone gets his/her own user account and you/Patrick can link that into the module store. Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Suggestions on fonts and foundries
This site might provide a good place to ask further advice: http://typedia.com/forum/viewcategory/1/ On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2010-03-01 um 04:54 schrieb Tom: Some time back I recall seeing a message in which someone discussed using fonts available from foundries and recommended certain ones. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find that message. I will probably need one serif font for the text of the book, a plain sans serif font to use for entries in a table, a fancier sans serif font for chapter titles and, possibly a different not-too-plain sans serif font for page headers. Also, I can't figure out how to tell ConTeXt which font to use for page headers. I guess you know http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts ? Without knowing the subject and/or intended audience of your book I can't suggest suitable fonts. Generally I find Palatino (TeX Gyre Pagella) with Frutiger (in a pinch: MS Calibri) a very good combination, even if rather conservative. SIL Gentium is also a very nice body font, if you like a soft, human touch. Linotype Finnegan is a matching sans-serif; perhaps try Libertine Biolinum, if you want a free one. For more technically looking sans's I like LM Sans and URW Grotesk (especially in small sizes). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Footnote Failure
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 06:11:56PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
btw, why not put the url defs somplace in your preamble, that way
you have one spot to maintain them
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\starttext
\useURL[git:2][http://...][][Git Virtue]
\footnote{The views ... \from[git:2] }
\stoptext
And this one aspect of ConTeXt I can't get comfortable with, \useURL is
great and every thing, but it is overkill for my simple url use; I just
need a very simple, one call command, some thing like
\URL[http://...]{foo}.
Another good idea, though I seem to remember Hans shooting this down before..
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[NTG-context] Footnote Failure
I'm having trouble understanding why the attached file fails with:
structure : subject @ level 3 : 0.0.0 - Information
! Undefined control sequence.
\dododescriptioncomponent ...entdescriptioncoding
\s!tex \fi \ifx \currentde...
\@@notemakedescription ...list =,\c!bookmark =,][]
\xdef \currentnotenumber {...
l.79 ...r in light of Pasquinelli's presentation.}
If I replace \footnote{} with parantheses, the included source compiles fine.
I've had a separate issue where a URL containing %'s seems to gum up
the system (that is, when I pared down the source to isolate the above
peculiarity I removed the URLs with %s and the other error, which
would stop compilation itself if the parantheses had solved the above
issue, disappeared.) Is pandoc producing the proper, or preferred,
\useURL syntax? I'm assuming pandoc aims for mkII over mkIV, but I
thought I read that the interface had not changed.
Sincerely,
John Haltiwanger
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Description: TeX document
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote:
I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context
development team) is that journals start accepting Context files.
While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am
still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context
files.
In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit
so-called .txt files!
As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more
advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a
standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt,
as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails.
One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX:
Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed
automatically by our AutoTeX software.
Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending
MS-Word files...
Alan
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Perhaps not an appropriate solution in all cases, but the application Pandoc
is able to generate standalone LaTeX files. One has to use something other
than ConTeXt as an input language (it can translate LaTeX input but so far
no ConTeXt; I use Markdown but reStructuredText and HTML are also available.
The standalone LaTeX files generated (meaning they include the header setup)
compile fine, at least the ones I've tested (ConTeXt standalone seems to
require Mk.II).
I must say I'm very impressed with this software. It turned all of my s
into \quotation{}, for instance, and it knows to do {\it italics} rather
than \it{italics}. One could also generate a Word document (via
OpenOffice.org ODT format output). Not to mention HTML.
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
I'd just like to chime in that a new bibliography system would be first
suggestion for ConTeXt. I've only used BibTeX a few times, and never
BibLaTeX (because I'd already switched to ConTeXT), but it's inflexibility
makes it unworkable.
Ideally ConTeXt could provide its general sensible-ness (and Lua power) to
do for bibliographies what it has already done for TeX. CSL support and
something similar to string.format('%s. (%s). %s.', author, year, title) or
something just as easy for defining a new output style would be the two
features most desired. If MLA were finally implemented (or implementable)
for \cite{} in TeX, I would be a very happy masters student indeed ;)
(BibLaTeX's MLA did not work for me in LyX, which is about as far as I'm
going to go into LaTeX).
Until then I'll just use the MLA setup environment from the ConTeXt wiki and
input my refs by hand.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly
logically place (and connect) containers of any sort.
I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0).
This could be made easier.
The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this can
be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be doable
to provide something similar in ConTeXt.
[1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Philipp Gesang pges...@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de wrote: On 2010-02-08 16:12:09, Hans Hagen wrote: fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is already done. 1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module) 2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree 3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions 4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler 1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface Whoops, somehow missed this bombshell while writing my last email. Excellent news! ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts
Hi all,
So the following used to work perfectly, but no longer does:
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Liberation-Serif]
\starttext
I feel so Liberated that {\ConTeXt} can see all my system fonts!
\stoptext
I don't seem to remember changing any configuration in order to get ConTeXt
to see my system fonts (running ArchLinux, so it follows Linux standards).
Yet now I cannot get the simplefonts module to see what it used to see fine.
Has there been some backend changes so that *.ttf files on the system are
now ignored? Do I need to install it to the ConTeXt directory or is there
another alternative?
(Updating my font database does nothing, unless 'luatools --generate' does
not do this?)
% context --version
MTXrun | main context file:
/home/serk17/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex
MTXrun | current version: 2009.11.24 10:13
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts
Alright! Thanks Wolfgang!
However, I'm running into another weirdness: all the text is italicized.
See attached (and for Liberation fonts see your package manager or
https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/).
~
% context --version
MTXrun | main context file:
/home/serk17/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex
MTXrun | current version: 2010.02.01 11:19
% luatex --version
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.50.0-2009122419
~~
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 02.02.10 12:43, schrieb John Haltiwanger:
Hi all,
So the following used to work perfectly, but no longer does:
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Liberation-Serif]
\starttext
I feel so Liberated that {\ConTeXt} can see all my system fonts!
\stoptext
I don't seem to remember changing any configuration in order to get
ConTeXt to see my system fonts (running ArchLinux, so it follows Linux
standards). Yet now I cannot get the simplefonts module to see what it used
to see fine. Has there been some backend changes so that *.ttf files on the
system are now ignored? Do I need to install it to the ConTeXt directory or
is there another alternative?
(Updating my font database does nothing, unless 'luatools --generate' does
not do this?)
For system fonts on Linux you need a entry the OSFONTDIR environment
variable,
how you can do this is explained here:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts_in_LuaTex#Getting_access_to_the_system_fonts
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091026.201256.cbd7927c.en.html
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091027.062301.0a8817d0.en.html
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts
Thanks Wolfgang! simplefonts is an amazing tool to tide me over until I take the time to tackle the native font stuff (which seems to be too in flux to really learn at this point anyway). Perfect for getting short documents together and looking good. So, to clarify, I just wait a few hours and then update my minimals? On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 02.02.10 14:35, schrieb John Haltiwanger: Alright! Thanks Wolfgang! However, I'm running into another weirdness: all the text is italicized. I uploaded a new version today which should fix this, please update your context (it can take a few hours till the minimals use the new simplefonts version). Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 02.02.10 15:18, schrieb John Haltiwanger: Thanks Wolfgang! simplefonts is an amazing tool to tide me over until I take the time to tackle the native font stuff (which seems to be too in flux to really learn at this point anyway). The font system is stable and from the user side nothing has changed since a very long time, you write a typescript where you map the font files to a style (Serif, Sans, Mono) and load it in your document with \setupbodyfont. One new feature is that \setupbodyfont is enough in certain cases and you no longer need \usetypescript. Okay, I guess I've gotten myself confused reading documents describing many new features that were opened up by LuaTeX. Good to know, but still glad to have simplefonts ;) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] A thesis not just using, but on, ConTeXt.
I have narrowed down my subject options for a masters thesis (New Media at Universiteit van Amsterdam) and landed on a software studyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_studiesof TeX through the lens of ConTeXt/LuaTeX (the idea being to document the cutting edge). For instance, the many materialities of a TeX document, the fact that it exists as a source file, an evolving memory heap during compilation, a ready-to-print document, and (often) as a print document. Part of my thesis, and a good reason to investigate ConTeXt, is exploring the material aspects of texts generated specifically for on-screen use/how an interlinked PDF differs from a website/etc. Naturally, a materialist analysis leads to discussing liberational potential, and the entire assemblage of TeX will be examined in light of Benkler's 'virtuous software'. (See Benklerhttp://www.nyu.edu/projects/nissenbaum/papers/jopp_235.pdfor mehttp://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2009/11/01/git-virtue-github-and-commons-based-peer-production/for more.) More, I'm sure, will arise. The second half of the thesis is an operational component: setting up an online collaborative web application (with Ruby Waves http://rubywaves.com) that is able to interweave git, reST/markdown/HTML (or a new one of my own that I convert to ConTeXt), pandoc (unless option 2), and ConTeXt to craft a system capable of outputting anything, not the least of which a PDF with layout and typesetting specific to that system (in this case, a new open, post/pure peer review journal of new media studies). I feel this must be possible because I've read that some of you folks are running highly automated typesetting jobs with ConTeXt. However, it occurs to me I should discuss the feasibility of at least the operational component with you folks before I end up trying to develop something impossible come March. The theoretical component relates to the operational component in as much as it seeks to justify it--this part is basically saying 'typesetting matters' but in the sense that a good typeset will a) make the journal feel much more established and allow an easy means to produce an on-demand print version, and b) liberate the information in as much as it is available in both PDF and machine-parsable ASCII, along with everything in between. Hmmm, maybe that _is_ taking a bit on.. Especially sense I don't know much ConTeXt at the moment (for instance, not using them on my final papers this semester). However, I will have significant time to dedicate to this thesis (all day every day starting March), and I've become something of an obsessive about TeX and typesetting, despite not having a lot of free time to dedicate right this second. For instance I find myself reading the Mark IV documentation (perfect for a software studies, btw!) rather than other, perhaps more pressing things. I guess I'm just sending a ping out to see what kind of response you folks have to such a project. I don't feel as if anything is set in stone, per se. The final proposal presentation is yet to happen, so I have time to make changes. Sincerely, John Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Using ConTeXt for a thesis?
ConTeXt is great because there is only one system to learn. As was already mentioned, it is much more consistent than LaTeX. One tip is to make sure you are using the electronic version, rather than the print version, of the ConTeXt manual. Any time you want to accomplish something, just click index, then click on the page that talks about the topic you are looking for. Incredible time saver. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Manuel P. ayeye.sysfo...@gmail.com wrote: Mojca Miklavec ha scritto: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 22:10, Manuel P. wrote: My requirements are quite easy: something unobtrusive that enable me to focus on the content and obtain a nice and consistent look with a virtually flat leaning curve (I don't mind a bit of learning, but I can't spend days on that). Some pictures, some tables, mainly text. Footnotes, bibliography, quotes and easy personalization of footers and headers. Despite the fact that you can get your questions answered here, it still makes sense to read (or at least skim through) the two manuals (CONTEXT, an excursion and cont-eni.pdf from http://www.pragma-ade.com/overview.htm). Mojca I've skimmed through the excursion, cont-enp.pdf and contextgarden but I didn't managed to find \lastpage or \setupbackgrounds. I was trying to decide between latex ot context and since I need to start writing I couldn't spend too much time on learning a tool that could have been not usable in my situation. I think I'll use context. Thank you Mojca. Manuel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [OT] goosh
That site was up for only a couple days before Lightspeed Content Filter labelled it a security proxy at the library where I used to work. Drove me crazy, as it is definitely the best interface for Google ;) On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:31 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.goosh.org -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Bruce D'Arcus bdarcus.li...@gmail.comwrote: John Haltiwanger john.haltiwanger at gmail.com writes: [...] Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc. Actually, you can embed the RDFa within the markdown files if you like. div property=x:section # Introduction Test. /div Pandoc will just pass it on to the output XHTML (though throw it out for the context). But it's admittedly a little awkward to have to wrap the markdown with XHTML every time to want to add a triple. Probably the biggest barrier for semanticality so far has been what a struggle it is to incorporate into a fluid workflow. For instance yes that is a pain to mix the markup and RDFa, but even more so if you are coding straight XHTML (though visually it would look a bit less awkward, XHTML is already so verbose that adding in the semanticality feels annoyingly burdensome.) If only markdown had some syntax for it, like |x:test # Introduction |x:section Test. || Wishful thinking. Cheers, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
In any case, I'd worry less about the technology, and more about what you need from it. That will make it easier to figure out which approach is best. Bruce Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc. The desire for semantical documents sounds like it will be resolved sooner or later with Tagged PDF. Until then the semantics can reside outside the PDF in my case. I consider it only a need inasmuch as I am an archivist by archetype, and so the idea of the best looking documents (the PDFs) being also the most monolithic just goes against my natural grain. For now it is not an urgency, but I do thank you all for the advice and comments! The markdown solution is doubly good because now I see a way to incorporate conTeXt in a web project that centers on language The better rendered the text, the better the project. Ah, the universal adoption of TeX in everything I do may not be far off ;) Regards, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote: Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger: 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents and had less application beyond that domain.) Normally you use environment files for coherent projects (magazines, books) or sets of similar documents (letters, presentations). The difference in usage between a LaTeX document class and a ConTeXt environment is neglectable IMO. The real difference is that most LaTeX users just *use* some document class unchanged, because LaTeX doesn't encourage defining your own, while there are nearly no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments available and most ConTeXt users want write their own anyway. For one-off documents I put everything in one file (and perhaps copy setup bits from other one-off files or environments). If *I* require a special layout for a single document, I normally use InDesign. The effort of programming a setup or an environment pays off only if you use it more often IMO. These paragraphs seems to contradict. ConTeXt is useful if you use an environment more than once, but there are no ready-to-use ConTeXt environments. I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. 2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt might have. XML is no target format for any TeX implementation. XML is a source format, and a good one if you want to process (typeset) it with ConTeXt (and perhaps make HTML from the same source). What do you mean with RDF? This one?: http://www.w3.org/RDF/ Or did you mean RTF? Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a semantical document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator? While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because it wants to archive all of its articles in XML. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things, unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX. sure, but all organizations want it slightly different Okay, but that does imply that an organization can set up an environment and expect its members to use it. Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a semantical document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator? sure, but how useful is it to have a representation of (e.g.) a node list that makes up a paragraph in xml format? no app can do something with it I'm not sure what you mean by a representation of a node list for a paragraph (I am new to TeX, remember), but I am thinking more along the lines of extracting Title, Author, and the content. Typesetting is not the goal, as XML is for computers not people. maybe at some point the adobe and microsoft xml output formats become an option (which then involves resources like fonts and graphics as well so it's pretty bulky and one might wonder what gain there is) The gain of XML is participation in the semantic web and concordance with many new data keeping rules in governments and organizations. While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because it wants to archive all of its articles in XML. in which case it keeps the input in xml and converts to other formats (coule be tex in the case of rendering print) The input is actually a specific version of Word. This is converted to XML. In the case of LaTeX, the LaTeX is converted to Word and then to XML. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012, but the backend features may be available sooner. Many people are looking forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats :-) See http://luatex.org/roadmap.html for the roadmap. Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html Hopefully there can be found a way to incorporate these facilities in ConTeXt and/or LuaTeX when they emerge. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Yes, that is the comment. Thank you for the heads up :) On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer in the comments of this blog entry http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html If you mean Leonard Rosenthol's comment at http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html?showComment=123911280#c5624378574116031944 the general issue is Tagged PDF. It's not really supported yet in any variant of TeX, but there is an active group working on it at River Valley Technologies (http://lists.river-valley.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tex). I haven't been following closely, but there's definitely progress. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Thank you Aditya. All that makes sense to me. It is quite clear from everyone's responses that the person on c.t.t who claimed ConTeXt is only for one-offs was not correct. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote: unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because there are no consistent specs. Most univs want you to use times, double spaced lines, wide margins, and some formatting guidelines regarding the chapter headings, table of content, page headers and footers. Setting these are easy in ConTeXt (and also LaTeX if you know the relevant packages). Universities do not provide an official thesis style (either in LaTeX or ConTeXt) because in most cases they do not have the resources to maintain them. Students figure something out, and then pass along their styles to the next generation. If the formatting guidelines change, the burden is on the students to correct the style, rather than on the university. When I was writing my thesis, it took me about a few hours to understand the formatting guidelines, which were a jigjaw puzzle. Statements like: Always use Times New Roman at 12pt as the main font. ... two pages down ... The abstract can be in 10pt or 12pt ... a few pages later, use any of the standard fonts. It also used vague terminology. Statements like leave two blank lines after the title (blank lines, er... for what fontsize, the bodyfont or the title font?). ConTeXt makes it really easy to make the formatting changes. Once I understood the formatting guidelines, writing the main style was very easy (with a few trips to the manual, and a few questions here on the mailing list). Making sure that the resultant style looked visually appealing while not violating the formatting guidelines too a lot of experimentation. As Hans said, you can think of ConTeXt as the standard thesis style. Setup a few commands, and you meet your formatting requirements. Write it in an environment or a module, and you can reuse it. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Wow, that is handy! Thanks for the tip Modamed. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mohamed Bana mbana.li...@googlemail.comwrote: i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/). $ pandoc --toc --smart --number-sections --standalone -H header.tex -w context file.pdc -o file.tex $ texexec file.tex i think Aditya has some documents floating around somewhere. John Haltiwanger wrote: Thank you Arthur, Mohamed, and Hans for pointing me towards the available modules. As far as working towards semantical documents in TeX, I'll just have to settle for writing external RDF descriptors for the documents. I'll take a look at using XML as the source and feeding it into ConTeXt, but since I rather like conTeXt's markup over XML, I'm not sure how likely I will be to go that route. Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be feasible, Thanks everyone for being so helpful, speaks volumes about the community you have here. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing
Hello, My name is John and I'm a nearly brand new TeX convert. All it took was one letter I wanted to look nice and now I know I will never craft an important document in another format again. Now, an obvious entry point is LaTeX, and indeed my first TeX document used this macro package. However, I couldn't help but stumble across the ConTeXt project in my investigation of the TeX landscape. The seemingly distinct separation of style from content, evidenced by the print versus the screen versions of some of the manuals, instantly endeared me. Within the same week, I found the comp.text.tex newsgroup. Lo and behold there was a quite active thread on LuaTeX, which I had just finished reading a presentation and a couple papers on the night before. On of the issues being discussed was the lack of a LaTeX document class for thesis. This also involved discussion of LaTeX's shortcomings. I wrote into the thread that based on my (albeit completely theoretical) understanding, ConTeXt would be a wiser choice as a macro for any new department to begin requiring TeX documents. This was based on my vague understanding of the separation of environment from the content, as it were, and also on the multiple outputs available for the manuals. Since I see screen formatting as equally important, if not more, than paper formatting, it only made sense to me that the equivalent of a unversity specific documentclass in LaTeX would be a simple environment file in ConTeXt. This leads me to some questions I have about how great a fit for me ConTeXt actually is. 1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents and had less application beyond that domain.) 2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt might have. I am just beginning my journey into TeX, and wish to learn the best macro package available. To me it seems like this is ConTeXt hands down, however the two questions above will indeed determine ConTeXt's actual utility in my case. Regards, John C. Haltiwanger P.S. For my first question, it seems easy to assume that if you can process XML files into standardized ConTeXt documents, the same would go for processing ConTeXt into standardized ConTeXt documents. But the question is too large not to ask. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
