Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt in texlive versus Minimal ConTeXt
Le 13 nov. 08 à 10:45, Hans Hagen a écrit : Fengnan Gao wrote: I have some problem when using ConTeXt in tl08, ... I don't exactly know what that means but clearly I cannot use ConTeXt. Can someone help me? just use the minimals ... then you have the latest binaries and sources Is there any advantage (for ConTeXt) of using the Texlive (other than being multi-platform!) or other full xTeX distribution? If the minimal ConTeXt is the only standard way of using a full ConTeXt, then it could be rename maximal ;-) or more seriously something lire standard, hot or independant (longish) -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] French discussion about ConTeXt versus LaTeX
Hello, There is a discussion about ConTeXt versus LaTeX on the french forum fr.comp.text.tex http://groups.google.com/group/fr.comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/af37f72b1a08aade?hl=fr If any french ConTeXt user can share its experiment and argumentation... -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt (Out of Topic)
Le 5 juin 08 à 09:15, luigi scarso a écrit : (other message not related to ConTeXt could now be send off-list please) true. My problems is: What is out of topic in this mailing list ? :) Because the problem was about installing GHC (an Haskell compiler) on osX with macports tool. Haskel language is requested as a dependancy for Pandoc. Pandoc could be use has an intermediate tool for converting some docbook to ConTeXt... ... so Very many link, before ConTeXt topic... ... and very numerous dependancy for an intermediate tools such pandoc ... which seems more difficult to install than ConTeXt itself ... ConTeXt, which could probably do the xml work by itself :-) So problem about install pandoc on macos could be followup to http://groups.google.com/group/pandoc-discuss/browse_thread/thread/d16f2ba3198525be (seems not to solved even the last sudo port sync) Cordialement -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt (Out of Topic)
Le 4 juin 08 à 21:34, Gour a écrit : Here is the reply from pandoc main developer: ... There's a description of a workaround here: http://groups.google.com/group/pandoc-discuss/browse_thread/thread/c9ecef59465c12c6 ... Then in the next message: ... after a 'port sync', pandoc should again be installable using macports. ... Thank you very much, I'll try it; (other message not related to ConTeXt could now be send off-list please) -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt
First of all, thank you for your propositions, About markup format: ( a markdown header ;-) Markdown seems an interesting one because: - it's alive (as many other format) - it's available in severall scripting languages (ruby, php, python...) - it seems extensible - it is (more or less) translatable to docbook (and finaly to xxTeX) so allows good quality pdf results About docbook: -- But one current need is about docbook, because file already exists as a dokuwiki hacked generated file (by a php expert from jelix team) ! So other wiki format is not an option? docbook is request About the pandoc tools: --- Le 3 juin 08 à 16:09, Gour a écrit : Take a look at http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ - it uses 'extended' markdown syntax and can export to ConTeXt. But Gour said alsewhere: ...it doesn’t handle tables,... Interesting, but a first try didn't compile with macport (GHC didn't compile). But not important: was just for trying... About dblatex tools --- It just works for now but need LaTeX custom style for advanced customisation which is much lower level than ConTeXt one, so... About ConTeXt tools(THE important information ;-)) === Le 3 juin 08 à 15:11, Hans Hagen a écrit : If some magic command (or a simple tutorial) like : texexec --docbook jelix-manual.xml do some equivalent work than the above dblatex, no doubt that the ConTeXt community will increase by more than 100%! i can probably cook up a basic docbook converter in a couple of hours but since i never run into docbook ... So instead of the not in ConTeXt objective expected response, this is a great news. For all (docbook + ConTeXt) tool maintainers like dbcontext or DocbookInContext, it is a great opportunity to help Hans defining a standard module which would then be maintain in the standard ConTeXt distribution. Other replies about dbcontext tools : - Le 3 juin 08 à 09:43, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : - dbcontext seams not to be maintained very much I don't think the code in the module is nowadays a good example for writing a module because many low level commands are redefined and it should work now out of the box with the current code or better witth MkIV. I thought so, but ... Le 3 juin 08 à 20:22, nico a écrit : - dbcontext seams not to be maintained very much dbcontext is still alive, but asleep because of few users, and mostly works in the current state. You can give it a try. You can provide your own context layout to customize section titles and layout. It is much cleaner and easier than the latex .sty hack. As an example of the powerful layout capabilities that ConTeXt provides, you can build a PDF with a layout similar to what docbook FO does. So dbcontext resume in a ConTeXt module, it should be part od the context distrib (as a contrib): see above about Hans response. -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt (Out of Topic)
Le 4 juin 08 à 15:34, Gour a écrit : ... about the pandoc wiki-docbook-*TeX Haskell translator ... Which ghc? port info ghc = ghc 6.8.2, Revision 3, lang/ghc (Variants: universal, darwin_6, darwin_7, darwin_8_powerpc, darwin_8_i386, darwin_9_powerpc, darwin_9_i386, no_opengl) http://haskell.org/ The Glasgow Haskell Compiler is a robust, fully-featured, optimising compiler and interactive environment for Haskell 98, GHC compiles Haskell to either native code or C. etc... -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt
Le 30 mai 08 à 13:22, Aditya Mahajan a écrit : On Fri, 30 May 2008, Gour wrote: Some of the more popular markup-formats are AsciiDoc (http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.html) and reStructuredText (http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html), but according to what I see both are missing ConTeXt back-end (latex only) :-( Any suggestion for 'popular' markup with ConTexT back-end? Have a look at pandoc which converts markdown to ConTeXt and also to many other formats including html. There was also some discussion for conversion to OO, but I do not know the current status of that. http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ Just some remarks/questions: - docbook seems to be the standard for describing documentation data, - dblatex seams to be a currently good supported tools for **easely** provide pdf output from docbook input, and cutomize the output with .xsl parameters or LaTeX .sty files - dbcontext seams not to be maintained very much - ConTeXt seams to be able to directly parse xml without external tools So, what about make ConTeXt directly reading dokbook file and output pdf file? I see the http://www.leverkruid.eu/context/index.html page from Simon Pepping. But it seems that this project is down. If ConTeXt provide an easy way for translate docbook to pdf file (usable by a non (ie. not yet) ConTeXt user as dblatex is), I think poeple could switch to ConTeXt only for that feature (not everybody have dependency with LaTeX!) Then the problem would resume to find a good yourPreferedWikiFormat to docbook... (I'v not seen any t-bocbook file on http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules) -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] markup format --- ConTeXt
Le 3 juin 08 à 09:43, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Maurice Diamantini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just some remarks/questions: - docbook seems to be the standard for describing documentation data, - dblatex seams to be a currently good supported tools for **easely** provide pdf output from docbook input, and cutomize the output with .xsl parameters or LaTeX .sty files - dbcontext seams not to be maintained very much I don't think the code in the module is nowadays a good example for writing a module because many low level commands are redefined and it should work now out of the box with the current code or better witth MkIV. - ConTeXt seams to be able to directly parse xml without external tools So, what about make ConTeXt directly reading dokbook file and output pdf file? I see the http://www.leverkruid.eu/context/index.html page from Simon Pepping. But it seems that this project is down. The module you mention above is the only (complete?) docbook style but ConTeXt provides cals table support by default and mapping for the basic elements to ConTeXt shouldn't be a problem, give us the information what do you need and we write a module. Thank you very much, you confirm that the DocbookInContext from Simon Pepping is still the way to go. I've no specific request, I just forward some interest by the web community to converting from docbook to pdf more or less automaticaly. I fact, my original interest come from the work of the jelix team (a MVC php Framwork) whose documentation was only online (dokuwiki). Following some user feedback, Jelix team have then generate docbook from that wiki filesss+ and make pdf file thanks to the (not maintained) db2latex tool. I look after a more uptodate tool (for further customisation) and found dblatex as mention on the (french) forum: http://jelix.org/forums/read.php?10,2680,page=4#msg-2872 The result was that the simple command: dblatex jelix-manual.xml produce a correct (i.e. readable) jelix-manual.pdf file without any customisation (with default table of content, correct verbatim, ...) which was not the case for db2latex. But then, any customisation will be a latex style, which is more hacking than ConTeXt (I think so, but I'm sure you agree ;-) Nevertheless, the first criterion was that it just works in simple case. If some magic command (or a simple tutorial) like : texexec --docbook jelix-manual.xml do some equivalent work than the above dblatex, no doubt that the ConTeXt community will increase by more than 100%! Cordialement, -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] new version luatex / mkiv
Le 10 avr. 08 à 17:18, Hans Hagen a écrit : This release of is rather substantial: no longer is metaposts called, but mplib is used instead. This bring down metapost runtime and conversion to nearly zero. The user interface is the same, but the implementation is different. What will allow mplib in luatex the future? - Will it be only a way to write Metapost code without having to call external system program (better performance)? - Or will it be possible to write figures in lua instead of Metapost? (would be great!!) Another question about ConTeXt mkiv installation Is possible to use a local full ConTeXt distrib (with basic fonts, mplib, lua) **without interference** with existant texlive distribution (i.e. without using all the *_TEX environment variables thanks to ConTeXt mkiv ?) I'd like to maintain some hot Thank you very much -- Maurice Tomorrow (or so) taco will make releasenotes. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTEXt - produced book about ConTeXt
Le 8 avr. 08 à 22:48, Gour a écrit : Henning How about a list of books (or everything else) made with Henning ConTeXt? How about to make book about ConTeXt? :-))) I guess that with the upcomming luatex, mkiv or other lua-metapost, there will never be a context book!? ... but I hope there will be a mark (or any next conTeXt name) book ConTeXt is not a simple language library, but a full typing system which need a true documentation. So, even if a command reference could be read online (or in source code ;-), An extended user manual (e.g. equivalent to the old manual + the official tabular system, + ...) is still needed. A ConTeXt book would provide a stable base for learning ConTeXt. The ConTeXt version would also serve as basis for features, and any future online docs could be classified as before (read obsolete) or after the context book. Also all ConTeXt features from the book should be suppose to work except if mentioned in an online correction documentation. P.S. I don't use any more ConTeXt for some raison (I come back to LaTex) But I keep looking at the mailing list and I hope to come back to ConTeXt some months later. I keep thinking that ConTeXt is the future of LaTeX! -- Maurice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Interesting interview
Le 12 avr. 07 à 07:37, Thomas A. Schmitz a écrit : ... There are fast approaching competitors that will eventually overtake LaTeX if we continue to stagnate. (Not to mention ConTeXt, which has surpassed LaTeX in essentially every area. Maybe the solution is just for everyone to switch to that.) Except for reference documentation or book (no need for a s here!). That's why I come back to LaTeX (but keep subscribe to this mailing list ;-) I mean, we all know that this is true, but it's great that a fairly well-known member of the LaTeX crowd says so as well. -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] some patches (clever ConTeXt installation)
Le 16 mai 06 à 01:14, Hans Hagen a écrit : Maurice Diamantini wrote:nment. Usually, one can build dynamicaly (default) variable environment at the start of a programm (i.e. in the same process and sub-process), then let the original environment untouch while ending the programm. this is what texmfstart --tree= texexec does; it sets env vars specified in either setuptex.tmf in the path mentioned as tree, or some specific tmf file; those tmf files are platform independent. this is how i run multiple (different trees) on one machine (say a web server); Thank you very much. So I can do a little texexec script, add its path in front of the global path (so that it will be found before any standard old ConTeXt distrib) and use the new texexec shell script as the main context executable as usualy. The main avantage over my previous proposal is that it doesn't even require adding a new path in the PATH environment variable (which already is quite accectable!). I don't know much about context, but if you use some texmfstart laucher, it could have the responsability of that job). In fact, I'd like to only have to add some PATH for using a personnal full ConTeXt distribution near another standard LaTeX (containing obolate Context) this is what in regular distributions texmf-local is for Yes, but the texmf-local is part of a particular directory from a particular network or host. And I like to separate my own (full, independant, robust, ...) ConTeXt environmement from the several LaTeX distrib I use (e.g. my unix/osX account is mirror via rsync between hom, work, and another network. LaTeX will probably become again my main xTeX environment, but I'd like to be able to switch ponctualy to a recent ConTeXt distro, without hacking and breaking my main TeX environment. in that case, just put the latest context in your main tree (unzip cont-tmf in texmf-local or so); that should work as always No, because of recent font (lm) probleme, I decided to keep a full context distrib (linuxtex.zip + macosxtex.zip + justtex.zip) in my personnal home directory. I positionned this environment with some setuptex variante before using context program (with all previous problems when comming back to LaTeX) Because the Makefile should work on all plateform (and in a year or two also if possible!) I use only the standard texexec (instead of texmfstart and path argument). But if you say texmfstart become the standard way: I'd switch to! well, you can still use texexec.rb instead of texexec.pl and avoid texmfstart; it's just that then you need to keep an eye on when texexec changes Do you mean that texexec.rb is clever enought to guess its ows directory tree ? Great, that what I asked for ;-) (and if texexec.rb becomme the standard texexec tool the problem is solved (no more need to do a small texexec shell script) but... ... for context programme only, but what about other tools (metapost, mp2pdf...) Just a remark in that case: texmfstart seems a bad name, bacause not related to ConTeXt Why not simply context or ctx as the main ConTeXt tool?) because i use it to run anything organized in a tree (e.g. xsltproc); running context progies i just part of the game Ok, I can always make an alias ctx for texmfstart --tree=... alias ctx=texmfstart --tree=/home/myHome/myLocl/fullcontext perhaps it solves all problem at a time! I'll try that in the next two week. Thank you very much, Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] some patches
Le 15 mai 06 à 09:23, Hans Hagen a écrit : Hi, I played a bit with texmfstart on the (so so slow Q3) mac and i think that i managed to get texmfstart working with less problems. I now also ship a texmfstart with all the used (context/ruby/base) libraries merged in (new undocumented feature) so that there is no longer a need to set the ruby lib path and/or move base files. The new version is uploaded. A next step is to get the stubs done in the right way (just texmfstart scriptname args) Not quite related to this subject, but as you are going to make the ConTeXt installation more and more robust. It would be nice if the ConTeXt independant distrib could be use **without positionning any TEXMF like variables**. This would allow to use updated ConTeXt distrib without breaking a standard (more or less old) other LaTeX existing distibution. -- Maurice Diamantini ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] TeXlive 2005 and ConText (was: Struggling with Old Style numerals!)
Le 27 mars 06 à 13:55, Hans Hagen a écrit : I've removed that one and installed TeXLive 2005! I was afraid of other problems, and indeed that's exactly what happened unfortunately the latest tex live has problems with context and lm Is there any simple way to solve these problems? Texlive is an important distribution, and it only releases once a year. So we have to wait arounf end 2006 before having a Context friend version of TeXlive? :-( Maurice, ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] RFC: 'What would you like in an Text Editor?'
Le 27 mars 06 à 18:32, Jeffrey Drake a écrit : Thank you for both your replies. The thing I am looking at right now is using scintilla for the basis of a windows editor (windows api) and scripted with TCL. The interface I am envisioning is one of an old dos editor I used to use (called Programmer's Editor). It attached all functions to the function keys including menu navigation. But otherwise bindings to keys could easily be made. My thoughts are to implement most functionality in TCL, including configuration. Very nice, as an editer shouhd be scripting! I think all the editor could be enterely be written in tcl (easy to install, portability, ...) You can see a very old editeur that I'm using every day which could be enterely rewritten with the modern feature of tcl. http://www.ensta.fr/~diam/stead/distrib/snapshots/ -- Maurice * support for large (log) files (100MB) to big for stead ! I only play with 10MB with stead ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Yet Another Install Problem (contextlive)
Le 3 mars 06 à 00:22, Hans Hagen a écrit : Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote: I first try to install the texlive-2005 but fall into problems with ConTeXt font (without using any any customized fonts!)... there is indeed a problem with tl 2006 : some lm related filenames were changed just take the zip from the website Which zip from which website? You mean some more recent texlive from http://www.tug.org/ftp/texlive/Images/ ? Or the context zips from the pragma site ? So I'm now trying the standolone ConTeXt distribution which I thought should be a robust and easy to maintain solution... ... wget http://mirror.contextgarden.net/context/install/ linuxtex.zip wget http://mirror.contextgarden.net/context/install/ macosxtex.zip wget http://mirror.contextgarden.net/context/install/justtex.zip ... unzip . tex/setuptex type -a mktexlsr texexec ;# to verify texexec --make --alone Error !! ! pdfetex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). # So, my question is: what am I doing wrong?? Are the above commands suposed to work as is? texmfstart texexec --make --alone ! pdfetex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). So same error but a pdftex is created in the current directory (just above the main tex ConTeXt directory) But the above texexec --make --alone seams to create file in the texmf-macosx/web2c directory seems like you have the wrong pool file can you try newtexexec? texmfstart newtexexec --make --alone ... ! pdfetex.pool doesn't match; tangle me again (or fix the path). This commande create a pdftex directory in the current directory as above. So I change dir into texmf-macosx/web2c, redo the texmfstart but get the same result. how many pool files do you have on your system? I have several pdfetex.pool because I have tetex (from fink which work) texlive-2004 (which worked but is unused) and texlive-2005 which doen't work. But neither of these TeX distribution are in my path during these trys type -a texexec latex texexec is /Users/diam/live/local/pack/tex/context-20060215/tex/ texmf-macosx/bin/texexec bash: type: latex: not found cd texmf-macosx/web2c mv pdfetex.pool pdfetex.pool.bak texmfstart newtexexec --make --alone ! I can't read pdfetex.pool; bad path? So i seem it is the right pdfetex.pool file -rw-r--r-- 1 diam uma 36906 8 fév 09:52 pdfetex.pool.bak On more try : I stole the pool file from the linux tree to the macosx tree cp -p ../../texmf-linux/web2c/pdfetex.pool . texmfstart newtexexec --make --alone ... and the formats is creaded !! ... ... But I can compile any context file !? So it mean the macosx pool file is broken? Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
Le 10 janv. 06 à 00:01, Hans Hagen a écrit :
Maurice Diamantini (dom) wrote:
As the LaTeX++ concurrent package designer, you should read
some page of the
LaTeX reference documentation A document Preparation System
It is little book (272 pages with the index !) and cover the core
of the
package.
Page 103 to 110 are related to boxes, and is what is missing in
context.
hm, i prefer to start from user demands and personal needs; we used
latex for
a very short time and i don't remember mini pages -)
Ok, but what I mean is the need of such a documentation on the
ConTeXt core, not
reimplementing LaTeX in ConTeXt !
I'm not sure that ConTeXt \framed command is able to reproduce
the parbox behavior (position a framed box relatively to its
internal top
or bottom line and the outside baseline)
i think we can safely assume that all these things are available
somehow
(supp-box.tex implements a lot of box types)
I saw this source file thanks to the following URL:
http://source.contextgarden.net/supp-box.tex
There is very much interesting macro, but I see some
%D \macros
%D {strutdp,strutht,strutwd}
%D ...
Does it mean that an automatic generated documentation is available
somewhere
on the web?
Or is it mondatoryto browse the source for using these command.
normally \framed can do what's needed, so in your case, if you can
make
clear what you want to achieve i'm sure that someone on this list can
provide the answer
... So what is the current reference documentation about framed
- Context the manual (page 206) ?
- ConTeXt an excursion (page 45) ?
the manual as well as examples inside the core-ful.tex file
I havent been able to find this file!
core-fil.tex exists but doesn't seem to be about using boxes!
the most important properties of framed are
- offset (none,overlay, dimension)
- align (all kind of combinations)
- width/height (dimension or keyword)
- strut (yes|no)
just play a bit with it and you'll see the picture
Thank you for these informations, I reread the (box related) reference
manual, and better understand the thing!
...
I think there has to be two pairs of informations to position a
box (i.e. a cell text):
- how is the box is positioned relatively to its environment (the
location=
keyword I think),
no, location is limited to a few options; you can use macros
like \offset[...]{} or other box positioning macros; layers
are also an option
Although I guess what it mean, I didn't found the \offset command
doc neither. I suppose it has numerous
interesting options (on http://texshow.contextgarden.net/)?
- inside the box : everywhere. that implies two reals numbers
between 0.0 and 1.0 (perhaps wider?)
what are those numbers representing?
It could just be a way to specify arbitrary position between
left (0.0) and right (1.0) or between bottom (0.0) ant top (1.0)
But the more important whould be a (uptodate) reference documentation
about
the already existing commands.
(but the TeX command \raise0.5ex could do that)
indeed, \raise and \lower and cousins can come in handy
Yes, I always forget TeX command! thank you very much !
(what do you use those minipages for?)
These are just (v?)boxes which can contain several paragraphs
and theyre own footnotes. Some options can be use to position
theyre internal (top or bottom) line relatively to the external
base line.
No need for now, I only used them in LaTeX for building some boxing
construction. But in context I used vboxex into hboxes (because I
didn't kwox enough about standard \framed command)
In fact, ConTeXt already contains all the needed stuffs, and only
some centralised documentation for using them is missing!
I'm waiting for the future ConTeXt book ;-)
-- Maurice
PS.
Also the ConTeXt wiki becomme more and more rich in information!
Thank you very much for all that
!
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts for boxing stuff
Le 9 janv. 06 à 11:52, Hans Hagen a écrit :
If it is impossible, is there any equivalent to de minipage or
\parbox LaTeX
equivalent?
i dunno what those are, vboxes?
Not sure what exactly is vboxes (something you can put in hbox? yes
it is) but LaTeX
raisebox, parbox, minipage can be put inside a text line.
minipage can manage its ones footnote, but this is not the question
here.
As the LaTeX++ concurrent package designer, you should read some
page of the
LaTeX reference documentation A document Preparation System
It is little book (272 pages with the index !) and cover the core of
the
package.
Page 103 to 110 are related to boxes, and is what is missing in context.
I'm not sure that ConTeXt \framed command is able to reproduce
the parbox behavior (position a framed box relatively to its internal
top
or bottom line and the outside baseline)
in most cases you can use framed (make sure that you set 'align' to
something in order
to enter vmode)
framedtext is a bit more clever and handles some spacing issues
With your help, and some old reference doc and the wiki
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Vertically_Centered_Boxes)
I tested the following one line text which works.
(My version of TeXExec 5.2.4 doesn't seem to support \startframed and
\stopframed so I use \framed instead).
\starttext
% align:no left right middle normal high low lohi justified
% location: low depth hanging
a word and --%
\framed[width=.2\textwidth, align=flushright, location=depth]{
some stuff
}%
--%
\framed[height=3em,width=11em, align={flushleft,lohi},
location=hanging]{
other stuff
}%
--%
another word, same line
\stoptext
But more generaly, there is a frequent need about boxing stuff and it
seems that the \framed command is the way to go. But it's not always
easy to guess the various parameters to get an expected behavior.
So what is the current reference documentation about framed
- Context the manual (page 206) ?
- ConTeXt an excursion (page 45) ?
Such a command is usefull inside some hardcoded slide.
And there could be a \boxed or \cell macro with default
frame=off parameters just to serve as special tabular cell.
I think there has to be two pairs of informations to position a
box (i.e. a cell text):
- how is the box is positioned relatively to its environment (the
location=
keyword I think),
- how to position the stuff **inside** the box (align= keyword)
What is the need for these 2 parameters :
- inside the box : everywhere. that implies two reals numbers
between 0.0 and 1.0 (perhaps wider?)
with some keyword for predefined values (flushleft, middle,
flushright
low, high, lohi and baseline,
(vjustified, justified=hjustified serve another feature)
- outside the box : only verticaly ?
one real number [0.0..1.0] plus low depth (=base?) hanging (=top)
Here a parbox provide an option for aligning the external baseline
on the top ou bottom internal line.
How can I simply optain the 0.5 = vertical middle
Probably the positionning parameters for outside the box are more
complicated : more than the internal reference point mention above is
to which external reference point the inetrenal point should be
aligned to ?
Generaly the baseline of the parent is the choosen one, but
perhaps one
like to use the 0.5ex hight one as in minus sign in the 3-2,
string
(but the TeX command \raise0.5ex could do that)
-- Maurice
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Re: [NTG-context] framed texts and other minipage
Le 7 janv. 06 à 13:50, Hans Hagen a écrit :
No, that will not work.
After much probing I found the culprit.
The framedtext takes the full linewidth and apparently does not
reduces it to the given size.
Therefore enclosing in a vbox seems necessary:
\vbox{\hsize=framesize\startframedtext{width=framesize ...
Question for Hans Hagen: is it an option letting framedtext set
the hsize when a specific width is given?
\hbox to \hsize \bgroup
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input tufte
\stopframedtext
\startframedtext[none][width=.5\textwidth]
\input zapf
\stopframedtext
\egroup
Why is it not possible to simply use the \framed command (with some
magic option to
put text into it) to do the obove thing?
\startframed[width=.5\textwidth, ]
\input tufte
\stopframed
\startframed[width=.5\textwidth, ]
\input zapf
\stopframed
If it is impossible, is there any equivalent to de minipage or
\parbox LaTeX
equivalent?
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Re: [NTG-context] beginners manual (xml input versus html output)
Le 25 nov. 05 à 10:47, Wolfgang Zillig a écrit : Maurice Diamantini (dom) schrieb: And for people comming from LaTeX, it would be nice to see also : - a basic exemple for creating html from ConTeXt, I would argument that it is easyer to create ConTeXt from a propper XML/XHTML source! But as it is the beginner manual a reference to the XML manual should be enough. - some mathematics not really a big problem, but you have the choice also to use MathML. This is always the same difference of opinion : - Some people like to see the only input format to be xml (write xml for math, ...) and think *TeX as one of the output formats (as for pdf, xhtml, ps...). - Other poeple (specialy those coming from TeX community) prefere writing by hand (yes it does yet exists !) some readable and lite document with math formula or other, then convert then as pdf printable output and (if possible also some (x)?html resizable ouput format But perhaps I doesn't understand ConTeXt xml features. Perhaps context is able to generate xml files instead of only reading them? If it is the case, then let me know, as it could solve the html navigator problem. So I'll have to learn more about xm and xml styles? Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] beginners manual
Le 23 nov. 05 à 21:15, Mojca Miklavec a écrit : What could be added: - Tables: Natural tables (already mentioned by Taco). I just realized that this is the only manual where the usual tables are actually explained. I was looking for the explanation in cont-eni before. - Bibliography - Slides: some basic example with \usemodule[pre-whatever] to show the user that making slides is no more difficult than making an A4 document - Metafun: some basic examples and a reference to the manual - XML: a basic example I agree with the above. And for people comming from LaTeX, it would be nice to see also : - a basic exemple for creating html from ConTeXt, - some mathematics Maurice, ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: TeX -- LaTeX
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Seb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bonjour !
je suis habitué à TeX, mais j'aimerais passer à LaTeX car certaines
macros comme minipage me plaisent particuleirement ainsi que les liens
hyperref, prosper ...
Si tu es habité à TeX, et que tu cherche quelque chose de plus évolué
(mais avec compatibilité ascendante),
qui conserve la philosophie TeX au niveau des commande
(commandes fréquentes courtes, pas d'abus d'accolades,...),
et qui soit à la fois plus puissant tout en restant cohérent et sans
devenir une usine à gaz de packages incompatibles entre eux,
je te conseille de regarder ConTeXt. C'est un format concurrent à
LaTeX.
ConTeXt qui représente à mon sens l'arlésienne LaTeX3...
Sauf que ConTeXt est plutot équivalent à LaTeX + LaTeX compagnon
+ LaTeX graphique compagnon (prosper + ...)
Pour donner une idée, les environnements latex
s'expriment par
\begin{toto)
\end{toto}
en context ça donne :
\starttoto
\stoptoto
sauf toutes les commandes hérite d'un comportement par défaut qui peut
être modifier par des option du type [key1=val1,..] (à la pstricks)
L'environnement toto ci-dessus dispose donc automatiquement
d'une commande :
\setuptoto[key1=val1,...]
Voilà, tout n'est pas rose cependant, et le bouquin de référence
n'est pas encore commercialisé.
Pour en savoir plus :
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/
Il y a aussi une mailing list très actives (et ractive)
Bonne lecture,
-- Maurice,
P.S. regarge aussi la doc de Metafun une extension de Metapost pour
faire les dessins qui est directement intégrée à ConTeXt)
Maintenant, je trouve que c'est nettement moins souple que le TeX : par
exemple ,
-- comment changer l'entete et le pied de page ?
-- comment changer le style d'un environnement par exemple si je veux
que section ne soit plus en gras mais souligné ou en petites capitales ...
merci de vos precisions,
Seb.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt to RTF Conversion (tex4ht)
Le 21 sept. 05 à 17:12, Louis F.Springer a écrit :
What are the options for conversion from ConTeXt to other formats,
if any? I'm particularly interested in rtf and/or html.
I saw there is a module tex4ht usable for converting conTeXt to html.
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules
http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/m-tex4ht.tex
Does anyboby have any experience to share on it?
I didn't find anything about it in the wiki.
About the other answer on this subject, my (dummy) point of view is
that :
- pdf in not an input format, but an output format,
(difficult to reuse for translating)
- xml in not an input format but (a well structured) interchange
format.
I don't want to enter xml version of:
We know that $E=mC^2$ and also that $\delta = \sqrt{b^2-4ac}$
But I'd like to export it (with table of content, index, ...)
in html or xhtml.
-- Maurice
P.S.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt to RTF Conversion
Le 22 sept. 05 à 12:23, Duncan Hothersall a écrit : - xml in not an input format but (a well structured) interchange format. XML is a very good master format from which to derive all outputs. For example, I receive wordprocessor files from academics and convert them to XML by a combination of automated processes and hand-tagging. The XML is then stored and maintained as the master version of that document, and when we need to produce a new release in HTML, PDF or eBook, a new style of PDF, a text version optimised for screen-readers, etc. we take a snapshot of the latest XML and run it through batch production processes - including ConTeXt for the typesetting side of things. So if I understand wml, I agree that xml is a format for filtering, not a human writable format. TeX, LaTeX or conTeXt is in input langage, which should be able to be converted to the powerfull master XML format. So we need something to convert ConTeXt to XML more than something. I suppose this imply easy convertion to HTML too ! So my question was, is there any exeprience about the use of the ConTeXt module m-tex4ht? That might be overkill for small projects (we're currently holding 25 million words in XML), but the principle applies no matter what size of content you have. -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] ruby, Lua, Megapost, tcl, ...
Le 12 mai 05 à 09:01, Hans Hagen a écrit : luigi.scarso wrote: A little off-topic: why ruby and not python ? - i didn't like those tabs/indentation - ruby's reminded me of modula which i used a (real) lot in the past - ruby has a small footprint - i just like it Hans I agree with the previous points. Also ruby is available in most of the operating systems but ... then Giuseppe Bilotta wrote (~ 18 sept 2005) Perl, Ruby, Lua ... what next? What about Lua, Adding one more dependency to ConTeXt make it more difficult to install and maintain. So what is the advantage of luo in conTeXt instead of ruby? -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Presentation
Le 3 août 05 à 10:02, Brooks Moses a écrit : One thing that you might find useful as an example, though, is a presentation that I recently created in ConTeXt, and then put online (with both the PDF and the ConTeXt source available -- though, without the images and the fonts, it's a little hard to process directly). That's on my webpage here: http://dpdx.net/research/papers/ILASS2005_Moses_abstract.html (See the Slides: tex and pdf links.) Nice self contained slides, thanks you for the model; but the pdf link for the slides actualy links to the tex files (changing the .tex suffix to .pdf is OK) - Brooks ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] indentaion
Le 19 juil. 05 à 14:36, Steffen Wolfrum a écrit : Is anyone using \indenting[no] to suppress the next indentation? I used to in the very early beginnings. But very quickly i got lazy and reverted to using \noindent instead. I wouldn't mind having it go away or changing. Taco same for me me too, I use TeX version which also work with LaTeX. Maurice___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] LaTeX emulation (was: Context, Latex, or an XML for acaddemic writing?)
Le 18 mai 05 à 00:13, Mojca Miklavec a écrit : Perhaps one of them would be cloning the default LaTeX style and include it into standard ConTeXt distribution. I guess this would be one reason more for LaTeX people to switch. (I sometimes still use LaTeX if I have absolutely no time and need to think about layout.) I agree I would be a very nice thing to have! The main LaTeX classes to emulate would be: - article - rapport - book But this is much work for somebody who is more interested by the content of its document than by the envelope. So this thing (context template) will take much time in collaborating. What kind of stuff do we need for, say, an article LaTeX class? \usemodule[latex] \usemodule[latexarticle] This should modify the behavior of all the \section like command, the \startitemize, add some \newtheorem emulation, a decent defaut table of content listing ... Where to start - define a name for the module (e.g. [latexarticle]), - begin an empty template module, - perhaps there should be a common module for all LaTeX emulation which would be called by all laTeX classes emulation ? - start the to ask for / fill request point cycle ? Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Is there a mathematica typesetting manual for ConTeXt ?
Le 13 mai 05 à 05:18, redox a écrit : I mean I want to type some math formulas with ConTeXt. Since i don't know too much about ConTeXt/TeX, i want to find a manual about this subject and to learn by myself. In the ConTeXt an excursion(page 15), it says, We advise you to do some further reading on typesetting formula in TeX. See for example: The TeXBook by D.E. Kunth The Beginners Book of TeX by S. Levy and R.Seroul I know that LaTeX(and AMS-LaTeX) has made some extensions to TeX in math typesetting, so I'm wondering if ConTeXt has also made extensions to TeX, or I can only type math formula in the way of basic TeX ? The first (only) starting point about math and context is http://contextgarden.net/Math The main AMS environnements are available with amsl module (should be in the recent context distribution, but not with the TeXlive-2004) http://contextgarden.net/Math_with_amsl Giuseppe Bilotta has also port the NATH LaTeX package (NAtural maTHematics) : http://contextgarden.net/Math_with_nath There is not yet documentation and sample about using thes module, but the documentation of there LaTeX LaTeX version is very usefull, Cordialement, Maurice Diamantini, ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Math startarray and \cases{xxx} bug?
Bonjour à tous,
I'm using amsl module, but it seems there is a probleme
with the startarray/stoparray environment which apear with the t
type of column (t for text).
So the basic cases commande doesn't work.
Also the \startcases/stopcases should have the same meaning thas
\cases{xxx} has, but it doen't.
I use textlive distrib with a copy og t-amsl.tex version 2004.11.18
Thank you for any help!
-- Maurice Diamantini
%%
\usemodule[amsl]
\starttext
\startformula
{\bf f(x)} =
\cases{
\sum_{x=1}^n x if I am false
\\
\displaystyle% just to see the difference
\sum_{x=1}^n x^2 \text{if I am true}
}
\stopformula
% This formala works as expected, but if I replace
% the forth column of type l which contains some \text{xxx} stuffs
% with a column of type t without using the \text command,
% there is an error.
\startformula
{\bf e_u(t)} =
\left\{
\startarray{dlll}% ou bien : \startarray{| d | l | r | l}
\displaystyle
\sum_{x=1}^n f(x)
= ax^2 + b.x + c,
= a
\text{Here some text}
\\
\hfil y_2% just to center stuff within a d column
= 3ax^3 + 3ax^2 + b.x + c,
= b
\\
\sum_{x=1}^n h(x)
= y_2,
= a + b
\text{encore du $(x^2)$ texte}
\stoparray
\right.
\stopformula
\startformula
{\bf e_u(t)} =
\startcases
\sum_{x=1}^n f(x)
if I am true
\\
\displaystyle
\sum_{x=1}^n h(x)
if I am false
\stopcases
\stopformula
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Another plant in the garden: modules
Le 6 avr. 05, à 21:11, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :
Hello Hraban and others,
I wonder why bib and math modules are missing? Are they already gone
to the core?
Do you think that it would make sense to list/describe the ones in the
distribution as well?
Yes, because the modules in the core depend on the context version.
So I think all modules should be listed, with some additionnal
information
such that
in the core since tetex-3.0-1
or
in the cvs-core since 2005 mar 01
e.g.
Textlive (2004) doesn't contains the bib and math modules,
but tetex-3.0-1 does:
ls -al /sw/share/texmf-dist/{tex,doc}/context/{maths,bib}/
(extract)
/sw/share/texmf-dist/doc/context/maths/:
No such file or directory
/sw/share/texmf-dist/doc/context/bib/:
83846 aou 30 2004 bibmod-doc.pdf
31535 aou 30 2004 bibmod-doc.tex
/sw/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/bib/:
10120 aou 30 2004 bibl-apa.tex
11327 aou 30 2004 bibl-aps.tex
37861 jan 26 12:30 t-bib.tex
1805 jan 5 16:59 t-bibltx.tex
/sw/share/texmf-dist/tex/context/maths/:
5762 nov 18 16:47 t-amsl.tex
92324 nov 18 16:50 t-nath.tex
-- Maurice Diamantini
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: page on context and XML has moved
Le 3 avr. 05, à 21:36, h h extern a écrit : You could maintain a micro-page on the wiki which just allows users to find your great document. The aim is for anybody to easely find your document from the wiki. The problem is to not forgot to update the wiki if you change the location of your main page! this makes much sense, something like a summary + pointers Perhaps, better than creating some bilion of pages with almost nothing in it, wouldn't it be better to add the link in an existing relating page? I think : http://contextgarden.net/Layout Also, the problem of maintaining life links is quite real. In that above page, the link XML ConTeXt site... doesnt seem to point anywere!? -- Maurice Diamantini ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Translations of Context: an excursion
Le 23 mars 05, à 08:56, Hans Hagen a écrit : indeed, btw, it will be an interesting challenge to keep translations in sync To keep several translations in sync, it should be one and only one document reference (english (or french? ;-) ) The worst thing would be if some chapter (e.g. using the standard amsl/nath package) were in advance in one translation over some other chapter (using the standard bib package or the prefered TABLE package, or context 2 html translation, ...) Also probably, it would be better to have some uptodate doc witch were only partialy translated, than having a full but outdated french doc. Another (long term) remarks/questions: I think the Context: an excursion is the better context doc out there (seems more practicle for begining than the reference book, for now) But will be this true in the future ? - what will contains the future book already mentioned here? - when could it be expected? - will the Context reference manuel be updated? - which context doc will exists 3 years later? - one (or more?) commercial english context book - one multitranslation excursion free books - numerous, very specialised myWay documents - if the current reference manual book is not to be upgrade then the Context: an excursion will be that. - a automatic generate reference documentation, based on the context tex code?? Translating such a documentation is a great (and eavy) job, but it can't be done without some stategic considerations. -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: Using LateX packages = for algorithms
Bonjour à tous ! Le 25 janv. 05, à 22:16, Patrick Gundlach a écrit : Hello Holger, I want to use a LaTeX Package (clrscode), or at least I want to port it to Context. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~thc/clrscode/ Is there some way to use LaTex Packages (I guess not). No. The low level commands are different in LaTeX and ConTeXt. The named package does not use a lot of unique LaTeX features, so a port shouldn't be too difficult. But as I guess from your question, you are unable to do that, so the question is: who else does the job? And I guess, nobody rises his hand now. See HH answer about a similar request. I think this solution could be the start of your package. Hans had extended the startlines environment with an option which keep spaces, so that it's easier to write algorithms without having some \it begining every lines ! http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/008169.html ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] algorithms style : need \starttyping with TeX and math feature
Le 25 déc. 04, à 20:03, John Culleton a écrit :
On Friday 24 December 2004 09:23, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
Maurice Diamantini wrote:
Well I agree that it's no more typing any more!
So a special option for \setuplines would be more appropriate?
Exactly, \starttyping does exactly that what you don't want: it
disables
math and expansion of TeX commands.
Also, perhaps my request is simply an option of \startlines
which keep not only the lines break, but also the first
spaces of each line (in a verbatim font fors these space)
Happy new year !
Thanks to Mojca and John, I use \startlines for the
algorithms environment.
In the Algo environment, I defined some short names command
to help dealing with indent spacing (\0, \1, ..., \5)
and with itemize like indent (i.e. space with the
same length as -
Here is the environment I defined. It could be better
(to keep the use of it event simpler)
But as the père Noël Hans give me a Christmas present
(see next post) It is no more usefull!
\definestartstop[Algo][
before={
\start
\tx
\def\H{\phantom{- }}% H for Hyphen (espace correspondant à
-
\def\0{\hskip0em} % indent 0
\def\1{\hskip2em} % indent 1
\def\2{\hskip4em} % indent 2
\def\3{\hskip6em} % indent 3
\def\4{\hskip8em} % indent 5
\def\5{\hskip10em} % indent 6
\setupinterlinespace[small]
\startframedtext[
width=\makeupwidth,
framecolor=blue,
]
\startlines
},
after={
\stoplines
\stopframedtext
\stop
},
]
Just a french like algorithm
\startAlgo
\0 Entrée :
\1 - nom de l'instance à traiter (e.g. ucp8, ...)
\1 - LDS\_Limit Nombre maximum de discordances (e.g. 1 pour LDS\_1,
...)
\0 Sortie :
\1 - affichage des meilleures solutions primale et duale
\0 Algorithme :
\1 - initialisation :
\2 - LDS\_Counter := 0 (nombre de discordances courantes)
\2 - lecture de l'instance
\2 - propagation initiale
\1 - relaxation lagrangienne principale avec primalisations interne
\1\H $\Rightarrow$ on connait bestDualValue, bestPrimalValue et les
coûts réduits
\1 - explorer le noeud racine (i.e. toutes les variables étant libres)
\1 - afficher les résultats
\stopAlgo
Thanks you very much !
Maurice
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Re: [NTG-context] algorithms style : need \starttyping with TeX and math feature
Le 26 déc. 04, à 21:57, h h extern a écrit :
Christmas present ...
Thank you Hans for this present !!
I just had to search the key to open this present,
as I used an old ConTeXt version
So I'm trying to switch to the texlive-2004 distribution
(choosing the GUTenberg installation set)
After some setup (m-bib has changed, ...)
I could try your code and...
*** it does exactly what I need ! ***
Thank you very much !
Just a question.
As you keep calling this environment \startline I suppose
it is intended to be a standard option for \startline
(which is a great news as I think it is quite usefull for
numerous situations)
But as the new version of context is not yet in the texlive-2004
(or as texlive-2005 is not yet out ;-)
Would it not be a better idea to provide another environnement name
to avoid conflict with the future standard startline environment?
I tried to rename startlines to startLines with other hack,
but it doesn't seem to be suffisant (but I didn't expect to!).
Any way thank you for the solution !
\unprotect
\setuplines[\c!space=\v!default]
\def\startlines
{\@@rgbefore
\whitespace
%\page[\v!preference]} gaat mis na koppen, nieuw: later \nobreak
\begingroup
\def\@@rgstepyes{\parindent\zeropoint}%
\def\@@rgstepno {\parindent\zeropoint}%
\edef\@@rgparindent{\the\parindent}%
\globallet\@@rglinesteptoggle\!!plusone
\processaction
[\@@rgindenting]
[ \v!yes=\def\@@rgstepyes{\parindent\@@rgparindent}%
\def\@@rgstepno {\parindent\@@rgparindent},
\v!odd=\def\@@rgstepyes{\parindent\zeropoint}%
\def\@@rgstepno {\parindent\@@rgparindent},
\v!even=\def\@@rgstepno {\parindent\zeropoint}%
\def\@@rgstepyes{\parindent\@@rgparindent}]%
\typesettinglinestrue
\setupwhitespace[\v!none]%
\obeylines
\let\checkindentation\relax
\@@rgstepno
\ignorespaces
\gdef\afterfirstobeyedline % tzt two pass, net als opsomming
{\gdef\afterfirstobeyedline
{\nobreak
\global\let\afterfirstobeyedline\relax}}%
\def\obeyedline
{\par
\let\checkindentation\relax % else problems with odd/even
\afterfirstobeyedline
\ifdim\lastskip\zeropoint
\globallet\@@rglinesteptoggle\!!zerocount
\else
\doglobal\increment\@@rglinesteptoggle
\fi
\ifodd\@@rglinesteptoggle\relax
\@@rgstepyes
\else
\@@rgstepno
\fi
\futurelet\next\dobetweenthelines}%
\processaction
[\@@rgspace]
[ \v!on=\obeyspaces
\def\obeyedspace
{\mathortext\normalspace{\dontleavehmode{\tt\controlspace}}},
\v!yes=\obeyspaces
\def\obeyedspace
{\mathortext\normalspace{\dontleavehmode\normalspace}}]%
\GotoPar}
\protect
\starttext
\startlines
test
test
test $a = 10$
\stoplines
\setuplines[space=on]
\startlines
test
test
test $a = 10$
\stoplines
\setuplines[space=yes]
\startlines
test
test
test $a = 10$
\stoplines
test
test
test $a = 10$
\stoptext
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Well I agree that it's no more typing any more!
So a special option for \setuplines would be more appropriate?
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[NTG-context] algorithms style : need \starttyping with TeX and math feature
Bonjour à tous,
I'm trying to white some algorithms in natural language
(versus pseudo-computing langage)
I need to keep some typing for write space
(i.e. indentation of text) while being able to white
TeX commands (with \xxx{yyy}) and math (like $y_u(t)$)
In fact I'd like some LaTeX algorithms style like feature.
I could do some recursive \startitemize...\stopitemize...
but it is two much verbose, so I thought looking at the
ConTeXt typing system
Also, perhaps my request is simply an option of \startlines
which keep not only the lines break, but also the first
spaces of each line (in a verbatim font fors these space)
Thank you for any help!
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Re: [NTG-context] algorithms style : need \starttyping with TeX and math feature
A solution of my probleme could be reformule to :
How can I configure the \setuptyping environment to
be able to keep the normal feature of special TeX caracters
like:
- \
- { and } and [ and ]
- $
Well I agree that it's no more typing any more!
So a special option for \setuplines would be more appropriate?
Le 24 déc. 04, à 09:07, Maurice Diamantini a écrit :
Bonjour à tous,
I'm trying to white some algorithms in natural language
(versus pseudo-computing langage)
I need to keep some typing for write space
(i.e. indentation of text) while being able to white
TeX commands (with \xxx{yyy}) and math (like $y_u(t)$)
In fact I'd like some LaTeX algorithms style like feature.
I could do some recursive \startitemize...\stopitemize...
but it is two much verbose, so I thought looking at the
ConTeXt typing system
Also, perhaps my request is simply an option of \startlines
which keep not only the lines break, but also the first
spaces of each line (in a verbatim font fors these space)
Thank you for any help!
-- Maurice Diamantini
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Now is the time for all... (Was: [NTG-context] A simple project.)
Now is the time for all... ... non Context user to be able to use ConTeXt without becomming TeX expert Following the remark from Dirar about finding the last texlive distrib, I think the Context system deserves the right of being a full independant distribution which can be used independently from the other standard xTeX distributions (e.g. TeTeX, Texlive, ..) The mytex system proposed by context is a first step in that direction, but it require a setup that strongly perturbate a concurent use of LaTeX. So, I propose that besides the standard upgrade cont-tmf.zip for context, Pragma propose à **independant** context distribution which : 1 - ***doesn't use*** the standard kpath environment variables 2 - anticipate the addition for new architecture (eg. linux isn't an architecture name, use powerpc-linux instead) What do need ConTeXt for itself ? 1 - an pdfetex (or pdfXXXtex) 2 - some fontes 3 - perl, ruby, tcl, ... 4 - Metapost 5 - the context TeX macro files As ConTeXt does improve much frequently than any standard LaTeX distribution, I suggest that it is easier to adapt the ConTeXt system to tetex from time to time (e.g. one time in a year) and becomme free to change the ConTeXt arborescence following the feeling from Hans. So that it will always be possible for a LaTeX user to download a full independant ConTeXt distribution, just source one of the provided setup.sh or setup.csh files, and run either the standard texlive old distribution, or its new dowloaded ConTeXt distribution without conflict. The objective is to had a line such source /xxx/context/setup.sh in my bashrc without worying if I (or other xTeX user) have to do either LaTeX or ConTeXt writing. Le 17 nov. 04, à 00:57, Dirar BOUGATEF a écrit : I am wiling to do so, but i see that Texlive hasn't changed since 2003, and this is already the version i have installed 2 months ago. Is there a fresher version and does anyone knows the date where Texlive structure changed. I second this question. I look for the texlive2004 too, but didn't found it. -- Maurice Diamantini ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] \presentationstep in standard pdf format
Le 2 nov. 04, à 23:22, David Munger a écrit : Nothing seems to work here. I'm afraid the problem is indeed that Acrobat Reader under Linux is not really JavaScript aware... Would it be possible to implement the steps commands such that steps span over multiple slides instead of being managed by JavaScript? David I aggree with David that having the ConTeXt presentation feature without needed javascript would realy be great. Pdf is a standard, but not javascript. It's realy nice to come to a seminar only with a pdf file without worrying about which pdf reader tool exists on the host computer. - Even with acroread 6.02 on osx there is some problem with some button (I don't remember which problem, but I just remember it's not reliable); - Also Preview, the fastest pdf reader on osx (provide by Apple, then the it is standard pdf reader on osx) don't support javascript; - linux doesn't have pdf+javascript reader. So I think that ConTeXt should provide a mean (option in textexec) to make pdf-only version of presentation. Finaly there could be three output levels for pdf presentation : 1 - presentation step using javascript (with allow blinking, merging, zooming or other nice flashing features ;-) 2 - presentation step without javascript (one pdf page by step) = Good format for presentation by foreign pdf reader 3 - pdf file one pdf page for each final step by page = Good format for printing 2up or 4up slides This third output would also allow to print a slide + comment version of the presentation for the speacker. The option of texexec could be something like --pdfonly instead of --pdf, or simply --use-javascript=false Maurice, ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] more nath patches
Le 27 oct. 04, à 05:50, David Arnold a écrit : Is there a nath manual? http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/nath/ But it is for LaTeX only, and I'm am not sure of what is already implemented in the m-nath module from Giuseppe Bilotta ... Hum, I just see that this is already mention on the context portail http://contextgarden.net/Math_with_nath (So I just had the url) -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Metapost installation
Le 27 oct. 04, à 09:23, Hans Hagen a écrit : Maurice Diamantini wrote: If I do the magic (from http://contextgarden.net/Linux_Installation) texexec --make --alone --all en nl uk metafun mptopdf After some time it give me: `texexec.pl' not found. In fact, I've never been able to make the basic exemples about Metafun working. strange is there a file 'texexec' on your disk somewhere? otherwise, copy texexec.pl to texexec (no suffix) and put it someplace in you path Yes (texexec works perfectly without Metafun) I had a problem with multiple versions wich I'v not yet solved. If I am only with the texlive version, I can do the texexec --make --alone --all en nl uk metafun mptopdf (in /usr/local/pack/tex/texlive/texmf-var/web2c) And all seems ok. But I don't get basic Metafun exemple to work. So, for now, T'll stay with the (partialy) working texlive distrib, (I can do LaTeX, ConTexT and Metapost :-) but I should think to change my full latex organisation to be able to use my own context distribution, but it should not interfere with the working latex distrib. I could adopt the 70 Moctet standolone context distrib for osx + linux if I can use it near the LaTeX standard distribution. So, thank you very much for your help, but I'll have to try again later, -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Metapost + metaObjet connector label on arcs
Le 24 oct. 04, à 20:30, Denis Roegel a écrit : A new problem is that the label sep is to big from thes arcs, and I'm not able to ajust it. The labshift option doesn't seem to work with ncarc, althought it works for the nodes. ... this was possibly corrected in an unreleased version of metaobj: http://www.loria.fr/~roegel/metaobj.mp Thank very much!! 1 - firstly, T've know solved my initial problem, and I've been able to build my first non-pstrick figure (thank to this mailing help). So the next points are not criticals for me. See them just as remarks or suggestions (but any help is still welcomme :-) 2 - about the off topic: As denis is on this list, what is the best mailing for talking about metaObj Denis? 3 - about the metaObj prerelease: I suggest that the last package (metaobj.mp and its pdf doc) are not hidden, but accessible (and refered from Metapost page) from a public directory; The MetaObj package could be as important as Metapost itself for the ex-pstricks users; so it should be easy to get the last version 4 - about ConTeXt and Metapost: What should I put in the verbatimtex ... etex header to be able to use ConTexT in btex..etex instead of LaTex? (I don't want use (for now ) the inside ConTeXt document method for the sake of environnement robustness, and for reusability) 5 - about metapost: How can I build the string to give to TeX as in string str; str = x^2 btex \large F = str etex or perhaps somthing like : string str; str = btex \large F = str é etex eval(str) 6 - about Metaobj user class I'd have build two macros (see the end of this mail): - buildActivity(xxx) % buildActivity: % name: the name of the new node % inFig; figuure to put in the circle % botFig; figuure to put under the circle % topFig; figuure to put above the circle % coord : position of the center of the circle % Example : % buildActivity(n0, btex\large 0 etex, btex b0 etex, btex u0 etex, z0); from which I think I will be able to build a new more or less generic Node class with some options and default behavior, - buildArc(xxx) % buildArc(nodeSrc, nodeDst, labshift, labangle, labelFig) which was more difficult to tune (for me, as a Metapost beginner) Also I hadn't use it for my application because of the lack of genericity. In fact, Id'like to build a new class (newArc) which could be considere as an object by itself, with its own set of options. (in particular default connector should be ncline, but easy to change to support all the metaObj connector) I think these two macros could serve as a good exemple of the power of metaObj, and would be much more readable than psTricks (i.e. TeX langage) ! Thank you very much for these tools and for any other help, Maurice, -- http://www.ensta.fr/~diam/ ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Metapost + metaObjet connector label on arcs
Le 26 oct. 04, à 13:53, Hans Hagen a écrit : Maurice Diamantini wrote: 4 - about ConTeXt and Metapost: What should I put in the verbatimtex ... etex header to be able to use ConTexT in btex..etex instead of LaTex? (I don't want use (for now ) the inside ConTeXt document method for the sake of environnement robustness, and for reusability) normally nothing has to go in there you can make stand alond graphics with context doing: \setupcolors[state=start] \starttext \startMPpage your mp code \stopMPpage \stoptext That gives you a stand alone pdf graphic that you can embed later The problem is probably due to my installation (texlive 2003 installed in a non standard directory) Everything works well but the previous code give me a write page. (should I put mp code between beginfig..endfig ?) If I do the magic (from http://contextgarden.net/Linux_Installation) texexec --make --alone --all en nl uk metafun mptopdf After some time it give me: `texexec.pl' not found. In fact, I've never been able to make the basic exemples about Metafun working. ... no, btex etex is parsed and handles in special ways; this is why metafun has the textext macro That is a good raison for using context with Metafun... as soon as installation works! Maurice, ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Metapost + metaObjet connector label on arcs
Le 22 oct. 04, à 14:24, Eckhart Guthöhrlein a écrit :
You can attach named paths to objects and then labels these. Here is my
first try, seems to work:
Thank very much Eckhart, I read the metaObj manual, but I
didn't realised showing that one can attached a labelObj
to arbitrary objects (just for Matrix and trees).
Now it works !
It is my first Metapost figure (I am switching
from pstricks).
As graph (in the sens nodes + arcs, not curve functions)
will be frequentjy used (at least by me).
I am thinking about some highlevel class (using MetaObj)
- class Node for creating node
- class Arc for connecting nodes.
The goal is that the data (coordinate, various labels, ...)
will be as simple as possible.
Also it should be easy to pick the Node and Arc class,
and personnalide them gor its own graph.
For now, I'm trying to anderstand how the label options
works,
A new problem is that the label sep is to big from thes arcs, and
I'm not able to ajust it. The labshift option doesn't seem
to work with ncarc, althought it works for the nodes.
P.S.
is one of the Metapost lists still alive?
Here is the full exemple (with only 2 nodes)
I don use the inline context feature because it
doesnt work for me, and I have to work on several
workstation, so I still stay (for now) with the indenpendent
file
I'm sorry for the latex line on a context list, but
Metafun is not clean installed (texlive 2003), I wanting
for the next texlive... And I hope context will be install
by default with Metafun
.
Thank you very much.
-- Maurice Diamantini,
verbatimtex % -*-latex-*-
%latex
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
\begin{document}
\sffamily
etex
input mp-tool ; % some initializations and auxiliary macros
input mp-spec ; % macros that support special features
input metaobj.mp ; % suffixe non indispensable ?
beginfig(1) ;
% For now node positions will be hardcoded
numeric u; u=1cm;
z0=(0u,2u);
z1=(3u,4u);
% % verbatimtex \small etex;
setCurveDefaultOption(arcangle, 25);
%
% building nodes of the graph. Nodes are object that arc will be
able to
% refere to.
% Later, I will have to build my own Class Activity with some
other
% parameters (labels above and under the circle, ...)
%
newCircle.n0(btex \large 0 etex) circmargin(0.1u);
ObjLabel.n0(btex b0 etex) labshift((0, -.5u));
ObjLabel.n0(btex u0 etex) labshift((0, .5u));
n0.c = z0;
newCircle.n1(btex \large 1 etex) circmargin(0.1u);
ObjLabel.n1(btex b1 etex) labshift((0, -.5u));
ObjLabel.n1(btex u1 etex) labshift((0, .5u));
n1.c = z1;
%
% build some Arcs, with various label or other parameters
% I'll have to make some vardef fonction for that.
% For now, all arcs related stuffs are in th esame place
%
% - Howto reduce the label separation ? (labshift doen't work)
ncarc.n0(n0)(n1) name(n0_n1);
ObjLabel.n0(btex $\times$ etex) labpathname(n0_n1),
labpos(0.8);
ObjLabel.n0(btex $0\rightarrow 1$ etex)
labpathname(n0_n1),
labpos(0.8),
labangle(0),
labshift((0, -0.5u)),
labdir(bot) ;
ncarc.n1(n1)(n0) name(n1_n0);
ObjLabel.n1(btex $\times$ etex) labpathname(n1_n0),
labpos(0.8);
ObjLabel.n1(btex $1\rightarrow 0$ etex)
labpathname(n1_n0),
labpos(0.8),
labangle(180),
labdir(top) ;
drawObj(n0, n1);
endfig ;
end .
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[NTG-context] Metapost + metaObjet connector label on arcs
Bonjour à tous, I hope I'm not too much out of topic, but I'm trying to put a metapost figure in a context file. I use a separate file for the figure to keep it independant, (and to avoid cumul of problems :-) The objectif is to build a graph by positionning some node (for now, it is just a circle) connecting them bu some ncarc connector (using metaObj) and the put label onto these arc. I know that one can do that using tree or matrix mataObj feature, but I'd want to be flexible on the node positions, Thank you very much for any help! -- Maurice Diamantini http://www.ensta.fr/~diam %%% START SAMPLE %%% input mp-tool ; % some initializations and auxiliary macros input mp-spec ; % macros that support special features input metaobj.mp ; % suffixe non indispensable ? beginfig(1) ; numeric u; u=1cm; z0=(0u,2u); z1=(3u,4u); z2=(6u,4u); % ... % I'll have to create my one metaObj (later) % newCircle.a1() circmargin(0.3u); % label(btex $x^2$ etex, z1); newCircle.a0(btex 0 etex) circmargin(0.1u); newCircle.a1(btex 1 etex) circmargin(0.1u); newCircle.a2(btex 2 etex) circmargin(0.1u); a0.c = z0; a1.c = z1; a2.c = z2; % Question: how can I put a label on this arc??? ncarc(a0)(a1) name(nc01); % The following doesn't work ! % ObjLabel.nc01(btex 0 etex) labpos(0.75), % labdir(top); drawObj(a0,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6); endfig ; end . %%% END SAMPLE %%% ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: Re[2]: [NTG-context] Re: alpha version low level english
Le 1 sept. 04, à 14:24, Giuseppe Bilotta a écrit : align=flushleft % maps to 'old' right align=flushright % maps to 'old' left +1 to this proposal. This way we can then later map right and left to the *correct* ones :) +1 for me, it's more natural! -- Maurice Diamantini ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Announcing a new script: TeXVersion
Le 25 août 04, à 09:28, Taco Hoekwater a écrit : Running it will generate output like this: TeXVersion 0.1 / Taco Hoekwater 2004 texexec : TeXExec 4.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004 texutil : TeXUtil 7.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2002 tex : pdfeTeX, 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5) context : ver: 2004.8.15 cont-en : ver: 2003.1.31 fmt: 2004.6.19 mes: english ... This functionality will eventually become part of texexec. Great script! thanks you Taco, Just a suggestion: options for: - putting the full path of the executables, - some other informations for finding frequently source of problems (metapost not operationnal...) Thanks again, -- Maurice Diamantini ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] High level user macro (howto?)
Bonjour à tous,
One thing is missing in context (or not documented in reference manual?)
is a standard and easy way to build arbitrary parametrised high level
macros.
For exemple, instead of
\def\myCommand#9{...}
That I should call by
\myCommand{param1}{param2}{...} {param9}
Id'like too keep default value for most of the parameters but param7
and write something like:
\myCommand[param7=value7]{body}
In LaTeX, there is a package keyval for doing this
And context use this everywere, but I haven't seen anything for
a user beeing able to do this.
This is the base for building arbitrary complex user commands with
some defauld behavior, and then, if this personal macro is usefull
enough, building some user contribution library.
As a true exemple, see a latex package I've written some years
ago for drawing uml diagramms whith LaTeX command (using PsTricks).
This file is available at
http://www.ensta.fr/~diam/latex/pst-uml/pst-uml-981218-09h41.tar.gz
(should now be available on CTAN too)
See documents for the samples (in french but the samples are in LaTeX
and
drawing are in picture !)
One of the first exemple I'd like is some command to put some little
table as caractere in a line (see that as some personalised box):
start of line
$-$\myStack[border=1ex,baseline=0.5]{
aaa bbb \\
aaa bbb \\
aaa bbb
}$-$
end of line
Or a little command to draw some picture, with default but modifiable
parameters:
$-$\myzigzag[dir=down,linewith=1pt,color=red,with=3\em]$-$
Using Metafun.
Cordialement,
-- Maurice
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: High level user macro (howto?)
Le 28 juin 04, à 11:49, Patrick Gundlach a écrit : One thing is missing in context (or not documented in reference manual?) is a standard and easy way to build arbitrary parametrised high level macros. Thank to you(s) for your macros exemples, I've now to build mu own sample in the next two months, and I then will surely post news questions before it is finished :-) I like the fact one can have our own namespace. ConTeXt is realy amazing : should be called LaTeX3 (as soon as the reference manual is finished ;-) Amicalement, -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki
Le 23 juin 04, à 16:54, Patrick Gundlach a écrit : Hi Maurice, texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 Not accessible! Perhaps because I'm behind a firewall? I should try at home. I just double checked that the services both run ok. If there is any problem that could be on my side, please tell me. It does work from home, So I cried to our system administaters, and now it does work at work too :-) Thank you very much. OK, It is open source But about the documentation. The easiest way to finf this file is by looking for mreadme.pdf pragma in google! I did 'locate mreadme'. Yes, but I think the top 10 documents should directly be accessible from the reference url. and mreadme.pdf is one of these files *before* installing context ! ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] spaces in bibliographic list
Le 29 janv. 04, à 16:08, Taco Hoekwater a écrit : Thank you very much, it does work! I don't yet have in head all the genericity of context, (although that's why I began to use it :-) (almost) all of ConTeXt's normal list settings (\setuplist) apply to the publication list. So, \setuppublicationlist[before=\blank] should do the trick. Greetings, Taco -- Maurice ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] spaces in bibliographic list
Bonjour à tous,
I have not enought spaces between bibliographic elements
(but too much spaces between two lines inside every bibliographic
element)
Is there any way for ajusting these spaces?
Thank you very much in avance!
I have the following configuration for my biblio
\usemodule[bib]
\setuppublications[
refcommand=num,
numbering=yes,
numbercommand=\myNumberCommand
]
\def\myNumberCommand#1{[#1]}
...
\starttext
...
\section{Bibliographie}
\placepublications
...
\stoptext
Maurice Diamantini
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt
Le 10 dc. 03, 23:05, Henning Hraban Ramm a crit : Am Mittwoch, 10.12.03, um 19:55 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi Egger: : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and : xml) That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to typeset music in ConTeXt? if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software runs under Linux and under Cygwin. Hm, perhaps it would be possible to use some MusicTeX version? AFAIK that's based on PlainTeX and could be compatible I think there VERY much more work about lilypond that about Musi*TeX. Also Lilipond has a modern approch and has a very good (*TeX) documentation. From http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq.html Will run on my computer? LilyPond is written for Unix, so it should run on any modern Unix variant, including Linux/GNU and MacOS X. There is also a MS Windows port, which uses the Cygwin environment. About other format: We have the following requirements: the format must use ASCII, it must be concise enough to type by hand, it must have a concise formal specification, it must be expressive enough to support many types of notation and printed formats. We believe that none of the existing formats address all these requirements. For example, MusicXML cannot be typed by hand, DARMS is limited in its application, ABC has no strict formal definition, and NIFF is binary. Nevertheless, this does not restrict you for using those formats: there are filters that convert from various formats to .ly Also there is some converter from lilypond to xml So instead of Hans restarting a new Music Notation project, Hans should make lilypond team using Context instead of LaTeX ;-) Also I noted that : - Lilypond is NOT a TeX macro, it only seems to be a dedicated (powerfull) subset of TeX (but allow input of TeX macro) - Lilypond make use of TeX for page breaking and other stuff So How to use Lilypond with ConTeXt? 1 - use Lilypond as an independant tool for building short (less or equal to one page) as pdf figure and include them in context as external figure (that is the way I'll do, because I'm not clever enought to do much more :-) 2 - make Lilypond team understand how ConTeXt is much more interesting as automatic formatic tool for creating pdf than LaTeX is! 3 - Allow using lilypond inside ConTeXt with \startmusic \stopmusic I think this method would be much like typesetting chimical Hans has not to be developping a nex package, just using one that already exist Also I think Lilipond could interest much more people that the only short xTeX poeple user. But Lilipond in not as easy to install (to many LaTeX dependancy). So the Lilypond tead could be interested by the new future alternative ConTeXt-live CDROM distribution ;-) ConTeXt-live (alias LaTeX-3: the only nothing to install TeX based type system that allow to do : - Mathematical, - graphical (Metapost), - Chimical, - Musical hight quality pdf documentation or web based presentation!!! P.S. I don't (yet) use Lilypond, but I looked after some text based Music notation for my wife. I thought first to MusixTex (too eavy, too old) then the abc format (which could be import as ps/pdf figure), then I found that lilypond was closely related to TeX. So it's probably the choice I'll do. -- Maurice Diamantini ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] ConTeXt-live distribution
Le 10 déc. 03, à 11:39, Patrick Gundlach a écrit : Bob Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... that a user like me with no root access might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can lead me in small steps through the installation process. Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together. I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could help with installation steps. I think Hans provided a limited version for a context standalone distribution. But I had problem for install it (whith perl) so I give up. Also the standard tetex distribution provided with fink (on MacOSX-10.3) did'n work for me (some itemize bug), and I had to install the texlive distribution. The texlive is very nice because it is complete. But it is very heavy (only the demo version old on a single CD-ROM : the full texlive take 1.2 Go and need a DVD !) Why is texlive so big ? Because it contains all old stuff that any LaTeX/TeX distribution should contain to be compatible with every TeX based document from the last few decade ;-) - every package which was ever able to do multicols - every package which allows to do clever table - every package which allows to do verbatim, ... But ConTeXt is an independant, modern TeX based distribution (even if it don't (yet) know about simple html :-). So was do we need to be able to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt? - a simple standard tetex distib for our old LaTeX document - a standalone ConTeXt distribution similar to the texlive in the idea This ConTeXt-live should be multiplatform and contain: - all uptodate reference doc about ConTeXt tools - all available exemples or model documents - all contrib extention (m-bib, math, ...) - the TeX/Metapost and perl distribution. - all tools (xml, html, ) This could be distibute as iso image and could be use as simple (no privilege) user. This would also make much easier to give acces to context to beginer (without the need of texmf experience). Also, what is missing for ConTeXt versus LaTeX 1 - some good LaTeX class emulation (a simple table of content is uggli in ConTeXt) 2 - some exemples for writing mathemaics using the new Giuseppe math packages 3 - some mean to write xml or html FROM ConTeXt (and NOT the reverse!) 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and xml) 4 - ... -- Maurice Diamantini (a recent latex2context switcher) P.S sorry for my bad english ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] context2html or context2xml | xml2html ??
Bonjour à tous, Is there something (an executable or a context package) which would allow us to write some (basic) context file, to html? I read that there is some work with context and xml, so perhaps there is a mean for translating a context document to html? context -- xml -- html ? I think to something like latex2html or hevea ? Cordialement, Maurice. P.S I use linux and MacOSX -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ENSTA/LMA École Nationale Supérieure de Techniques Avancées Laboratoirede MathématiquesAppliquées http://www.ensta.fr/~diam ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
