[NTG-context] narrow space in \ldots.

2009-05-08 Thread Ryo Furue
Hello ConTeXt folks,

I'm quite new to ConTeXt.  I like it.
It's way more systematic than LaTeX.

Here's my first question.  When omitting the last
part of  a sentence, I want four periods:

  This is a long sentence which\ldots.

LaTeX produces equally-spaced four periods,
but with ConTeXt, the last space is narrower
than the preceding two.  (See examples below.)
I guess that LaTeX specifically designed
its \ldots with this use (sentence-ending four dots)
in mind.  How can one fix it in ConTeXt?

I use the context package version 2008.05.21-1
on Debian testing.  The LaTeX is from the
texlive-latex packages.

Cheers,
Ryo

%--- ConTeXt version --
\starttext
Hello\ldots.  World.\ldots
\stoptext

%--- LaTeX version --
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Hello\ldots.  World.\ldots
\end{document}
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Re: [NTG-context] narrow space in \ldots.

2009-05-08 Thread Ryo Furue
Hello Hans,

|  Hello ConTeXt folks,
|  I'm quite new to ConTeXt.  I like it.
|  It's way more systematic than LaTeX.
|  Here's my first question.  When omitting the last
|  part of  a sentence, I want four periods:
|This is a long sentence which\ldots.
| 
| which\unknown

Thanks for the answer!  It's close, but not quite.
First, I noticed that \unknown produces three dots, not four.
So, I tried \unknown.  (See the attached.)  In this case,
There is a thin space between the word and the first dot,
so that the output looks like

   which . . . .

Convention says that the fist dot should look like a
sentence-ending period:

   which. . . .

Second, with \unknown., the last space is slightly,
just slightly, narrower than the preceding two.

I guess \unknown is designed to be an inter-sentence
ellipsis:

  This long sentence\unknown is complicated.

For this purpose, it's perfect.  It generates appropriate
spaces before and after the three dots.

Regards,
Ryo

\starttext
Hello\ldots.  World.\ldots

Hello\unknown.  World.\unknown

Hello\unknown World.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] narrow space in \ldots.

2009-05-11 Thread Ryo Furue
Wolfgang,

| \unexpanded\def\fourdots{{\def\periodswidth{.3em}\periods[4]}}
| 
| \starttext
| Hello\fourdots\ World\fourdots
| 
| Hello\fourdots\ World.
| \stoptext

Thanks for the macro!  It's almost perfect. . . .  I thought I was
imagining things, but the distance between the last letter of the word
and the first dot actually seems to be dependent on the parameter
\periodswidth{.3em}.  See the attached example.

I changed it to \periodswidth{.4em} and then the distance is
larger with \fourdots than with \ldots  .  The distance \ldots
produces is the same as a raw period produces.  If possible,
I'd like the distance to be always the same as the one
a raw period produces.

By the way, I'm wondering where one should store personal macro files.
With LaTeX (texlive-latex), ~/texmf/tex/latex/ seems to be the default
place.  Is ~/texmf/tex/context/ a recommended place?

Ryo
-
%
% Use a large font to make the difference clearer.
%
\unexpanded\def\fourdots{{\def\periodswidth{.4em}\periods[4]}}
\starttext
Hello. World.

Hello\ldots.  World.

Hello\fourdots\ World.

Hello. World.
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

2009-05-13 Thread Ryo Furue
Hi ConTeXt users,

I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period).  I can define

  \d...@{\spacefactor1000}

and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.

Regards,
Ryo
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of \...@. ?

2009-05-14 Thread Ryo Furue
|  I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
|  of LaTeX's \...@.  (which indicates an end-of-sentence
|  period).  I can define
| 
|   \d...@{\spacefactor1000}
| 
|  and use it, but if there is an official version
|  I'd like to know.
| 
| ... USA.\ ...

Thanks, but that doesn't change the spacing, in my environment
at least.  (I use texlive-context on the testing distribution
of Debian.)

I think the command \  inserts an inter-word spacing,
not an inter-sentence spacing.  You can compare whether

   USA.\ This is another sentence

gives the same result as

   USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence

I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word
and inter-sentence spacings are the same.  But, by default,
ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the
inter-word spacing.  In such a case, there has to be a means
to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends
with a capital letter and a period.

Regards,
Ryo
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