Re: [NTG-context] For the Mac users: AppleScript to launch ConTeXt in a flexile way

2015-03-29 Thread John Haltiwanger
Impressive work!

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Floeren t...@mac.com wrote:

 Updated (1.2.3).

 http://dflect.net/context-typeset-tool/


 Changes:

 1.2.3 (60) (2015-03-29)

 Added update switch --modules=all.
 Removed the update switch --keep.
 When updating ConTeXt first-setup.sh will get updated, too.

 1.2.3 (58) (2015-03-28)

 Added to the GUI (Tools section): Possibility to quickly remap ConTeXt
 directories to the “Beta”/“Current” slots. This should be useful if you are
 switching between more than two ConTeXt installations, for example an old
 Current, an older (but working) Beta and the latest Beta from last night.
 (Formerly you had to rename the ConTeXt folder on disk in order to force
 the script to prompt for new locations.)
 Slightly changed wording in main window.
 Updated and extended the manual.


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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden wiki down

2014-11-10 Thread John Haltiwanger
Thanks for the quick fix Taco!

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote:

 Hi again,

 All services are back up again.

 Best wishes,
 Taco

  My coworker has to go up and check it out in person, so it will be down
 for a
  bit longer still. I’ll send a new message once everything is working
 again.
 
  Best wishes,
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[NTG-context] The on-going process of the Proceedings for Context Meeting 2011

2012-10-20 Thread John Haltiwanger
Hello all!

It's been very quiet in regards to the Context Group's first publication,
the Proceedings for Context Meeting 2011. We've been hammering out the
details of a new design and house style with Adrian Egger. This process is
almost complete, and we are very excited for you all to see the inspiring
new design!

But there is, of course, the issue of getting the final content together
for this issue. And here is where I need the help of those who agreed at
last year's meeting to submit an article for the proceedings:

We would like to publish this years proceedings along with last years in a
double edition. I've lost the list of those who wanted to submit last year,
so if you remember being one of those nice and awesome people, please
consider writing up a short article and sending it!

*Of course we also welcome any Context-related articles! *There has been a
lot of cool stuff happening in the community over the last year, and it
would be great to have some further documentation on them.

A very warm thanks to those of you who sent me material already--know that
it was not in vain, and that your work will indeed be published.

The *deadline for submission is 1 November*, with the double-edition
proceedings landing on doorsteps in time for the winter holidays. For those
of you who have not yet joined the Context Group, please consider
doing sohttp://group.contextgarden.net/register.shtml
!

Looking forward to hearing from you,
John
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Re: [NTG-context] MLA Bibliography

2012-04-16 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar hajt...@gyza.cz wrote:

 Thanks Mojca for comments.
 I agree that the output format can be set as needed (a lots of time of
 experimentation). But I needed a special sort of bibliographic items
 (numbering according to their occurrence in the text) and that I have
 unfortunately failed. For average amateurs are code modifications beyond
 its capabilities.
 I just want to say that ConTeXt is absolutely amazing tool, but sometimes
  without professional advice the desired result is unattainable.
 When time is pressed and help not comming, sometimes a lot can be
 stressful. However, to not complaint BUT it is the mere statement. This
 conference is above standard and willing to help to laity.


FWIW, I decided to just hand-write all the (MLA-style) citations in my
masters thesis.

In case you are not too far into your writing, an option would be to use
pandoc which has CSL support. There are multiple MLA styles for CSL (
http://zotero.org/styles), though I have no idea if they are good for your
purpose. This would be the equivalent of pre-rendering your citations as
you translate from Markdown to Context. So by Context they should already
be plain-text and require little or no special handling (you might need to
add a command to make the bibliography at the end of 'overhanging').
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Re: [NTG-context] new look for wiki

2011-09-28 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote:

 On 09/27/2011 11:52 PM, Martin Schröder wrote:

 2011/9/27 Martin Schrödermar...@oneiros.de:

 Indeed. But where is the option for it to use the full width of my
 browser window?


 Found it, sorry for the noise. Just login and choose a different skin. :-)


 We could easily have a ContextSkin and ContextSkinWide, but I
 personally think that ctrl-+ is better.


Also we could have a javascript function which zooms the content to the
width of the current screen.

Apple behavior (apple-+ modifying font size rather than zooming) does make
the just zoom it approach less trivial though.

The reason I suggested a non-liquid layout for Context garden is that, in my
opinion, the normal wiki / liquid text style reflects poorly on a project
which promises beautiful typography.

For an example of additional precedent for this approach, the Textmate wiki
is also a fixed width layout: http://wiki.macromates.com/Main/HomePage



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Re: [NTG-context] new look for wiki

2011-09-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:

 2011/9/27 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de:
  Indeed. But where is the option for it to use the full width of my
  browser window?

 Found it, sorry for the noise. Just login and choose a different skin. :-)


Rather simpler, and still with the same skin, is zooming with 'ctrl+'.




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[NTG-context] [OT] Research into Generative Typesetting

2011-07-23 Thread John Haltiwanger
Hi everyone,

As some of you may know, in 2010 I attained a masters degree in New Media
from the University of Amsterdam. The title of my thesis is Grammars of
Process: Agency, Collective Becoming, and the Organization of Software.

* [PDF](http://drippingdigital.com/gop/grammars_of_process.pdf)
* [TeX](http://drippingdigital.com/gop/grammars_of_process.tex)
* [HTML](http://drippingdigital.com/gop)
* [thesis-groomer.rb](
https://github.com/ab5tract/new_media/blob/master/thesis/infrastructure/thesis-groomer.rb),
in case you are interested in the glue.

Linked above are the PDF and HTML versions of the thesis, which attempts to
examine generative typesetting (ie, going from one input into multiple
outputs with various properties) through the lens of new media theory and
the 'transductive' cybernetics of Gilbert Simondon. The introduction is
particularly heavy with new media theory, but as the chapters progress I
think it becomes more readable for those unfamiliar with this discourse. The
'Operating Systems' chapter was quite fun to write and hopefully contains
some interesting history and reflections.

One of the things this list might be excited about is the typography itself.
I use many of Robert Bringhurst's suggestions, and I think the output is
much the better for his advice.[^1] The HTML version was never totally
finished (I'd prefer it to have JavaScript interaction and more Web-specific
functionality). In fact, I had quite some plans for it, but as the deadline
of the thesis approached, I necessarily poured my efforts more into content
than presentation, and where presentation was concerned I was much more
preoccupied with the Context version. All in all, I am happy with the thesis
but I also know that it could use some work. If you have any feedback,
please let me know.

[^1]: If anyone is interested, I'm thinking I might make a module that sets
up the environment according to these conventions.

Because I was concerned with both PDF and HTML output, I chose to work in
Markdown with Pandoc as my input format. Through the course of trying to
manage a generative workflow, I had to make some unfortunate concessions: on
the one hand, I had to process some of the input in order to get some basic
things I needed, such as a blockquote environment for Context, handling the
title page layout and abstract, among other things; and on the other hand I
was forced to avoid bibliographic automation and instead had to be very
careful to manually cite all my references. (This was because, at the time,
Pandoc did not have the any capacity to do citation management that would
work within HTML; with its new CiteProc support it seems that this is now
feasible). Tagged PDF support is out of the question due to Pandoc generally
only having MkII support, including lacking newer stuff like
\startchapter..\stopchapter and \hyphenatedURL.

The main conclusion I had about generative typesetting is that we are
missing a crucial glue layer. I have written some on a system which I call
Subtext, a mutable translation layer where one is in control of both the
syntax and the translation effects from a configuration file. Pandoc is
great, but Subtext approaches the edge cases of generative typesetting
differently by encouraging output-specificities without requiring anyone to
learn Haskell to gain a little more control. Looking over Hans' new
`m-markdown` code, I am beginning to see a clearer vision of how to go about
implementing this.

I've done some presentations on generative typesetting:

* [Generative Typesetting @ Libre Graphics Meeting 2011](
http://river-valley.tv/generative-typesetting-with-context/)
* [Textual Liberation @ The Unbound Book Conference](
http://e-boekenstad.nl/unbound/index.php/john-haltiwanger-generative-typesetting/
)
* [Sozi notes](
http://drippingdigital.com/conf/unbound-book/textual-liberation.svg)

Anyway, I thought that perhaps someone here might find some bit of this
interesting. Have a great weekend!

Sincerely,
John
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Re: [NTG-context] markdown

2011-07-20 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 On 19-7-2011 7:25, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 The code is derived from luamark (but a few 100% faster so I might have
 messed up). And of course, being the markdown evangelist, John will answer
 all questions.


With pleasure :)
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt to Markdown (was Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional)

2011-07-19 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:

 2011/7/19 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com:
  When you find them, I would be interested in them. And maybe I can
 improve
  on them.


Pandoc. :-)


Pandoc does not support Context as an input. Nor does it support modern mkIV
conventions (\startchapter..\stopchapter; \hyphenatedURL; etc).

If anyone knows Haskell, maybe we can submit some patches to Pandoc to
create a --mkiv switch for Context?

Don't get me wrong, I use Pandoc all the time. But it is not a panacea,
particularly for existing Context documents.



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Re: [NTG-context] markdown

2011-07-19 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 Hi Khaled,

 I took a look at the lunamark code, and ran it on some (copied) sample. As
 it was much slower than I'd expected from lpeg I messed around a little and
 could bring down the runtime on the sample from 2 sec to 0.1 sec. Anyhow,
 there is room for improvement so I wonder If I should take the code, wrap it
 up a bit, and make a module so that we can directly process markdown in
 context. (Of course we then need to keep an eye on how the original
 develops, if mkdown develops at all.)


Markdown, in its official form, does not seem to evolve very much. However,
there are extensions to the original syntax, such as those provided by
Pandoc (including nice new reference functionalities) and also the Python
Markdown processor.

Anyway, this is great news! Can't wait to see it in action :)
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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional

2011-07-14 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.comwrote:

 2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com

 Found them. The names are all lowercase. I have:

 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf

 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf
 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf
 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf

 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf

 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf
 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf

 ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf

 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf

 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf
 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf
 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf

 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf

 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf
 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf

 ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf

 I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on
 them?


 I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can
 change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or
 adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering  does not change. But
 that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough
 to learn to work with it.


This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed to
the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. If
you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it would
still refer to all the same pages.

If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a WYSIWYG
tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately).


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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional

2011-07-14 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.comwrote:

 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com

 I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can
 change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or
 adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering  does not change. But
 that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough
 to learn to work with it.



 This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed
 to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence.
 If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it
 would still refer to all the same pages.

 If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a
 WYSIWYG tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately).


 The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just
 deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. Or can I generate
 from my tex file something that has the meta information and can be edited
 in Scribus?


Nope. As Mojca mentioned, PDF does not account for this kind of thing. I
mentioned those tools as a basis for constructing an entire document from
scratch. They have automatic page referencing similar to Context, but not in
a post-hoc fashion.

If they are only copy editing, I think you would be best served by exporting
to xhtml. I generally write all my documents in Markdown and convert using
Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities.

If they are doing layout.. Ouch.
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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional

2011-07-14 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:

 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com:
  Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities.

 MkIV can create XML. :-)


That is something I have heard much more than I have seen.

If it can so easily do so, could a wizard please intervene and provide a
recipe for producing XHTML from standard Context input?[^1] I have no doubt
it can, but documentation of this relative necessity in this age of
multi-output publishing is suboptimal.[^2] I swear that this information
will go down throughout the ages as a conduit for better typography (and the
wiki page dedicated to this process will become a keystone of expanded
possibility in the future).

Cecil, I don't think its fair to constrain yourself from ever using Context
again. What does 'competely independent' mean?

If you have been asked to hand over layout decisions, the best is to
reproduce your document in XHTML, copy it into a word processor, and let
them proceed with their own desing in their proprietary WYSIWYG software.

Even if they just want to make textual changes, this is probably still be
your best bet. You can then relatively easily convert them back to Context
(a matter of re-mapping text into Context). There is a plan I have to
produce an easier-for-point-and-clickers interface to collaborate on high
quality Context based layouts, but the time hasn't appeared to materialize
it yet.

If you search through the archives for 'pandoc' you will see that many of us
have chosen to abstract ourselves from direct dependence on Context for our
document 'coding'. There is a tangible flexibility provided by writing in a
visually semantic preformat like Markdown. It helps during the editing
stages because it is easy to generate other formats that people are more
familiar with (OpenOffice can be converted to Word---then it is a matter of
'backporting' changes to the Context source).

If they weren't clear about planning to take on this design
responsibility--which they should have long before the deadline--than I feel
it is the fault of the editors and not the fault of Context. Under such
conditions I would have written text for these people in something they
understand, like an word processor document (LibreOffice can save as MS Word
easily enough).

Sorry to hear you are having trouble with this. I know what it is like to
face the edge of a deadline.

PS. For what it is worth, I do not think it would be _too_ hard to create a
Context to Markdown translator.[^3] Since the backend supports XML, it
should be able to map to a different semantic markup without much trouble..
right?

[^1]: No CSS necessary, just classes and/or ids mapped to environment names.
Apologies to anyone who has answered this question before: just point me
towards where the answer is and I will make sure it finds its way to a
prominent place on the wiki.

[^2]: I understand that there is a description at the wiki, but it is many
years old, maybe older than LuaTeX (the history says it is from 2007).
Something fresher is in order I think.



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Re: [NTG-context] First baby steps with MKIV

2011-07-12 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:03 AM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com
 wrote:
  --
 
  source /home/safe/context/tex/setuptex
 
  context $1
 
  
 better

 source /home/safe/context/tex/setuptex /home/safe/context/tex
 context $1
 --


I haven't seen this before. What is the advantage of the second argument to
source ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Changing Body Font

2011-06-22 Thread John Haltiwanger
Please take a look at the simplefonts module.

\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Ubuntu]
\switchtobodyfont[11pt]

(please correct me anyone, if I'm wrong).

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote:

 Hey list,

 I am trying to change the body font of my document in the environment
 file to use the Ubuntu font provided at,

 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family/Ubuntu-R.ttf

 , by the ttf-ubuntu-font-family package. I have tried the following, but
 it did not appear to change anything,

 \setupbodyfont[ubuntu,11pt][file:ubuntu-r][features=default]

 I also tried,

 \setupbodyfont[ubuntu,11pt]

 Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [NTG-context] OT: What reference management software do you use?

2011-05-23 Thread John Haltiwanger
I hope my question does not come off as too aggressive, but why on earth are
we still using BibTeX? Or, more accurately, when can we _stop_ using BibTeX
and move onto something that has native UTF-8 support and can also integrate
with a reasonable configuration environment such as CSL?

What is the next step for bibliographies in Context? Surely we won't be
chained to BibTeX (which has seemingly been largely been in practice for the
sake of BibLaTeX) forever?
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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Javascript PC Emulator - Technical Notes

2011-05-17 Thread John Haltiwanger
FWIW, it runs faster of Jaeger Monkey (Firefox 4) than it does on V8
(Chrome). Shouldn't the bogomips be relative to the performance of the
processing layer?

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:

 2011/5/17 Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch:
  so it's only a matter of time when TeX runs in the browser. I don't know
 how/if it is possible to access local files, but that should be doable
 (dropbox,...)

 s/run/crawls/

 This emulates a pc with 20 bogomips and 30MB RAM.
 It's probably slower than the machine DEK used for development of TeX78.
 :-)

 Best
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Re: [NTG-context] How to produce a dotless i with ConTeXt?

2011-04-18 Thread John Haltiwanger
LuaTeX has total unicode representation in terms of content (are unicode
characters possible for macro declarations? this is unclear at this point
but clearly useful..)

So, the last thing you need to do is abstract your special characters. Just
input them according to how you would normally make them appear in a text
field on your screen.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Thomas Schmitz tschm...@uni-bonn.dewrote:

 On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:23:54 +0200

  Verhaag, G.C.H.M. verhaagg...@ziggo.nl wrote:

  Thanks for the answers!

 Only one suggestion doesn't work for me; inserting the #305; (it looks
 like an HTML code not ConTeXt code!?) in my source file.

 Well, I prefer to use \dotlessi and \i, and don't like #305 or
 \char0131, because I'm not very good at remembering number codes!


 As Mojca already pointed out, I meant typing the character directly. I'm
 using a web mail interface which unfortunately  replaces the character with
 this strange entity.

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Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?

2011-04-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
I've putthis on the psuedo-smallcaps wiki page as a more appropriate
solution going into the future.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:38 PM, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote:

 Oh my! So close and yet so far...

 It works. Thank you very much!

  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com]
  Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2011 12:56
  An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
  Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?
 
 
  Am 04.04.2011 um 12:50 schrieb C.:
 
   In MKII \sc switch to a different font but MKIV can just enable the
 smcp
   feature.
  
   Adding smcp=yes doesn't work as option for \setmainfont because you
   can use \definfontfeature and overload the default set, the only
   valid options from \definefontfeature are script, expansion and
   protrusion.
  
   [I'm using MKiV.]
 
  MkIV ;)
 
   Ok, let's leave the small capitals with \sc  alone, they work when I
   specify script=latin in setmainfont.
   Now, how would I activate the feature c2sc (small capitals from
 capitals)?
   It worked like this in the past, but does not anymore:
  
   \usemodule[simplefonts]
   \definefontfeature[c2sc][default][c2sc=yes]
 
  \definefontfeature[c2sc][c2sc=yes]
 
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Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?

2011-04-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
Completely misunderstood the problem from the beginning. Wiki entry
reverted. But I still hope that there is an easier solution to resolving a
psuedo smallcaps from available capitals in a font in mkIV.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:49 AM, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote:

 Erm, these are no pseudo small caps! It’s a feature that substitutes
 capital letters with their small caps counterpart. So the font has actual
 small caps built into it. I’m using it to generate an “all small caps”
 title. I made this picture to explain:

 http://i55.tinypic.com/23tlev7.png



 You might wanna undo this wiki entry.

 Cheers!



 *Von:* John Haltiwanger [mailto:john.haltiwan...@gmail.com]
 *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2011 22:29

 *An:* mailing list for ConTeXt users
 *Cc:* C.

 *Betreff:* Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?



 I've putthis on the psuedo-smallcaps wiki page as a more appropriate
 solution going into the future.

 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:38 PM, C. meta...@gmx.de wrote:

 Oh my! So close and yet so far...

 It works. Thank you very much!

  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: Wolfgang Schuster [mailto:schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com]
  Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2011 12:56

  An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
  Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Small capitals broken in latest beta?
 
 

  Am 04.04.2011 um 12:50 schrieb C.:
 
   In MKII \sc switch to a different font but MKIV can just enable the
 smcp
   feature.
  
   Adding smcp=yes doesn't work as option for \setmainfont because you
   can use \definfontfeature and overload the default set, the only
   valid options from \definefontfeature are script, expansion and
   protrusion.
  
   [I'm using MKiV.]
 
  MkIV ;)
 
   Ok, let's leave the small capitals with \sc  alone, they work when I
   specify script=latin in setmainfont.
   Now, how would I activate the feature c2sc (small capitals from
 capitals)?
   It worked like this in the past, but does not anymore:
  
   \usemodule[simplefonts]
   \definefontfeature[c2sc][default][c2sc=yes]
 
  \definefontfeature[c2sc][c2sc=yes]
 
  Wolfgang
 



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[NTG-context] MLA Workscited example no longer works

2011-03-24 Thread John Haltiwanger
This worked fine when compiling my thesis last year.


-- test-workscited.tex

% for bibliographic entries

% following hanging indent code (also in workscited) taken from
%  http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/005280.html
% [NTG-context] Re: Again: hanging for a lot of paragraphs?
%  ~ Patrick Gundlach
\def\hangover{\hangafter=1\hangindent=0.5in}
\definestartstop[workscited][
  before={
\page[no]
\indenting[never]
\startalignment[left]
\bibliography{Recommended Reading}
\stopalignment
\setupwhitespace[medium]
\bgroup\appendtoks\hangover\to\everypar
},
  after={
\egroup
\indenting[yes]}]


\starttext

  \startworkscited

\input{knuth}

  \stopworkscited

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Does MKIV take more time as MKII

2011-03-14 Thread John Haltiwanger
You can't have it Good, Cheap, and Fast all at once ;)

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Mojca Miklavec 
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 14:47, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
 
  Both did not work for me. But removing --purgeall from my script reduced
 the
  time from 30 seconds to 10.

 When you don't use --purgeall, ConTeXt calculates different things
 (for example table of contents, cross-references etc.) and stores them
 to temporary files. Next time when you compile the same document
 without too many changes it simply reuses the old data.

 But if you remove the temporary files with --purgeall, ConTeXt has to
 recalculate everything from scratch. Out of curiosity I checked that
 on my own document and realized exactly the same thing. Compile time
 dropped from 27 to 9 seconds, but only because ConTeXt had to read and
 typeset the document three times (I thought it usually did it twice).

 If you remove all the temporary files and call context without
 --purgeall, it will also take 30 seconds to typeset everything; it is
 only the second and all the subsequent runs that finish the job
 faster.

 Mojca

 PS: You would get the same kind of behaviour in MKII (however if MKII
 only runs twice and if there is a speed factor of 1.5, you could
 declare MKII being three times faster which does make some
 difference when compilation time is long).

 PPS (not to be taken (too) seriously): But I wouldn't be surprized if,
 say, two years from now you would try to repeat the experiment just to
 find out that MKIV became faster. (Unlikely to happen, but imaging
 Taco coming to idea to use all the four processor cores of your new
 machine and Hans reducing the number of required runs from three to
 two plus some extra optimizations.)

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Re: [NTG-context] \setuppublications problem

2011-03-12 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Thomas Schmitz tschm...@uni-bonn.dewrote:

 Hi Florian,


 On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:45:16 +0100
  Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote:

 Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or
 \placepublications[criterium=text]?



 We should

 add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page:
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv).


 You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies
 right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in
 March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a
 bit. criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now.


This is exciting. I think it's very important that we throw out BibTeX
altogether in MkIV, and I hope that this work Hans is doing right now is
somehow related to it. If it were ever possible to implement bibliography
styles with something akin to string.format Lua calls, well, who wouldn't
love that kind of flexibility?
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[NTG-context] Line spacing on a cover page

2011-03-10 Thread John Haltiwanger
To me the space between 'Freed' and 'by' looks awkward:

\starttext
  \startalignment[left]

  \bgroup
\switchtobodyfont[72pt]
{\ss  Freed \par
  by \par
  Design}
  \egroup
\stoptext


-- Should I be using \start..\stoplines ? or is this a bug?
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Re: [NTG-context] Line spacing on a cover page

2011-03-10 Thread John Haltiwanger
Thanks Verdan and Wolfgang. As I suspected, \startlines was the way to go.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Am 10.03.2011 um 18:28 schrieb John Haltiwanger:

\startalignment[left]
 
\bgroup
  \switchtobodyfont[72pt]
  {\ss  Freed \par
by \par
Design}
\egroup

 \startlines[align=flushright,style={\switchtobodyfont[72pt,ss]}]
 Freed
 by
 Design
 \stoplines

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[NTG-context] Text to edges of page

2011-03-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
Hi all,

I would have though the following code would produce text flush to the edges
of the paper, but there is significant whitespace on the right and bottom
sides. Probably there is an obvious setting, but it eludes me now:

\definepapersize[short][width=600px,height=440px]
\setuppapersize[short][short]

\setuplayout[
backspace=0mm,
topspace=0mm,
margin=0mm,
header=0mm,
footer=0mm
]

\setupindenting[none]

\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setupinterlinespace[22pt]

\starttext

\input Tufte

\input Knuth

\input Tufte

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Text to edges of page

2011-03-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
Nevermind, the answer is simple:

\setuplayout[

backspace=0mm,
topspace=0mm,
margin=0mm,
header=0mm,
footer=0mm
width=600px,
height=440px
]



On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:29 PM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I would have though the following code would produce text flush to the
 edges of the paper, but there is significant whitespace on the right and
 bottom sides. Probably there is an obvious setting, but it eludes me now:

 \definepapersize[short][width=600px,height=440px]
 \setuppapersize[short][short]

 \setuplayout[
 backspace=0mm,
  topspace=0mm,
 margin=0mm,
 header=0mm,
  footer=0mm
 ]

 \setupindenting[none]

 \setupwhitespace[medium]
 \setupinterlinespace[22pt]

 \starttext

 \input Tufte

 \input Knuth

 \input Tufte

 \stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] TTF fonts and MKIV

2011-01-29 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Am 29.01.2011 um 06:42 schrieb David Rogers:

  * John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com [2011-01-28 16:39]:
 
  Is there a short, simple guide somewhere that shows how to use TTF and
  OTF fonts in Context? I downloaded the new Fonts chapter but it goes
  deep into the weeds on typescripts etc.  I am looking for a method
  that allows me to do in Context what I can already do in most other
  DTP programs: simply designate for use a font or font family that
  exists in /usr/share/fonts without typescripts, complex and confusing
  aliasing schemes or tfm files.
 
  The Simplefont module by Wolfgang Schuster is very good for my (not
  highly demanding) purposes. Certainly it is intended to do just what you
  describe.

 Or you use \definetypeface and specserif, specsans and specmono, e.g.

 \definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Times New Roman][default]
 \definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Arial]  [default]
 \definetypeface[mainface][tt][specmono] [Courier][default]
 \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [times]  [default]

 \setupbodyfont[mainface]

 \starttext
 …
 \stoptext


I've added this to the wiki page on using Fonts in LuaTeX, but since I don't
know anything about these spec settings it for now just consists of our
example Wolfgang. If you send back some explanations then I will add them to
the wiki as well.

Are these basically the same settings as used in simplefonts?




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Re: [NTG-context] How can I properly credit ConTeXt

2010-11-22 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Marco Pessotto melmo...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello there.

 This was meant to be a mail to say thanks to the ConTeXt/LuaTeX teams
 for the wonderful work they did and are doing. I'm pretty new to ConTeXt
 but I'm really impressed. It happens that I'm typesetting a journal that
 will hit the printer soon. Now, the question sounds: how can I credit
 ConTeXt/LuaTeX properly? (no, it won't generate any profit so I can't
 really donate some bucks; as a matter of fact I'm volunteering this)

 I was thinking about something like:

 \vfill
 \startalignment[center]
 Typeset with \ConTeXt\ and \luaTeX\

 \goto{\hyphenatedurl{http://wiki.contextgarden.net}}
 [url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]

 \blank[big]
 Fonts used: Linux Libertine

 \goto{\hyphenatedurl{http://www.linuxlibertine.org}}
 [url(http://www.linuxlibertine.org)]
 \stopalignment

 Is it OK?


It should be fine, but why not set it up as a standard colophon?
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[NTG-context] [OT] QTeXEngine

2010-11-09 Thread John Haltiwanger
Apparently this software enables exporting of QTPainter classes to Tikz/Pgf

http://soft.proindependent.com/qtexengine/
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:

  work for ConTeXt and then I would like to know what other alternatives
 I have. Also regarding rtf or/and odt.


 Since you do not need any fancy features, a simpler option is to use
 markdown as your starting format and use pandoc to convert it to context,
 html, and odt. However, creating even slightly complicated tables in
 markdown is a pain, unless your editor supports an ascii table mode.


This is indeed a decent solution, one which worked for typesetting my thesis
in PDF and HTML. (You get RTF and ODT for free, assuming it doesn't take
much glue to get it to look the way you want). I had to write a wrapper
script to do regular expression parsing to take care of edge cases (pandoc
is written in Haskell, so to 'scripting' the application requires working in
that language; my choice was to do a more hackish approach that used a Ruby
script that generated multiple markdown files)

Aditya, do perhaps know one of these editors with ASCII table mode?




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[NTG-context] MAPS journal module oddities

2010-10-23 Thread John Haltiwanger
The first strange thing that I notice is that the subtitle is set in a much
more prominent style than the title. This seems backwards to me.

The second concern is that the numbers for footnotes (but not the notes
themselves, thankfully) appear outside of where they should (which is in the
Notes section, with \plcefootnotes). Adding \setupfootnotes[text] to the
template I found on the wiki ( http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules/Maps )
did not seem to have an effect.



 \usemodule[maps]

\setupfootnotes[text]

\starttext

\startArticle [

Title=+ Title of the article +,

SubTitle=+ Optional subtitle +,

Number=+ MAP Number +,

Period=+ MAP Period +,

Author=+ Author plus contact details +,

RunningAuthor=+ Author name to appear in the header +

]

% The Author parameter doesn't require any particular structure.

% Add a RunningAuthor parameter if the Author parameter is too

% elaborate or complex for use in a page header.

\startAbstract

+ Write Article Abstract +

\stopAbstract

\startKeywords

+ Write Article Keywords +

\stopKeywords

Any simple footnote adds its number twice.\note[here]

As you can see it happens again\note[there]

\footnote[here]{Right?}

\footnote[there]{ :( }

% MAPS places footnotes at the end of the article

\subject{Note}

\placefootnotes

\stopArticle

\stoptext
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[NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt

2010-09-15 Thread John Haltiwanger
I thought I'd give the mailing list a small change of pace---instead of
asking how to do it, I will show you :)

The short answer is:

\starttext
My Concrete Poem

\startlines
All   the whitespace
will   print   !
\stoplines
\stoptext


However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro.
I've documented the solution to this situation on my blog:
http://drippingdigital.com/blog/2010/09/typesetting-poetry-in-context/

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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt

2010-09-15 Thread John Haltiwanger
Apologies, as a very significant aspect of this process was omitted in the
previous email!

Don't forget to do:

\setuplines[space=on]

first!

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, John Haltiwanger 
john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I thought I'd give the mailing list a small change of pace---instead of
 asking how to do it, I will show you :)

 The short answer is:

 \starttext
 My Concrete Poem

 \startlines
 All   the whitespace
 will   print   !
 \stoplines
 \stoptext


 However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro.
 I've documented the solution to this situation on my blog:
 http://drippingdigital.com/blog/2010/09/typesetting-poetry-in-context/

 Thanks to Wolfgang Schuster for helping me work it out!

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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt

2010-09-15 Thread John Haltiwanger
I don't usually define macros like that (isn't that more of a
\definestartstop kind of deal?).

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:

  Apologies, as a very significant aspect of this process was omitted in the
 previous email!

 Don't forget to do:

 \setuplines[space=on]

 first!

 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, John Haltiwanger 
 john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote:

  I thought I'd give the mailing list a small change of pace---instead of
 asking how to do it, I will show you :)

 The short answer is:

 \starttext
 My Concrete Poem

 \startlines
 All   the whitespace
will   print   !
 \stoplines
 \stoptext


 However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro.


 What do you mean by that these macros are not available?

 Doesn't the following work? (untested, but I will be really surprised if it
 doesn't work)

 \def\startpoety
  {\startlines
   % All the remaining setup
  }

 \def\stoppoety
  {%whatever setup you want
  \stoplines}


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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt

2010-09-15 Thread John Haltiwanger
What Wolfgange said :)

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Am 16.09.2010 um 00:38 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

  However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a
 macro.
 
  What do you mean by that these macros are not available?
 
  Doesn't the following work? (untested, but I will be really surprised if
 it doesn't work)
 
  \def\startpoety
   {\startlines
% All the remaining setup
   }
 
  \def\stoppoety
  {%whatever setup you want
   \stoplines}

 He use

 \def\poetry
  {\startlines
   line 1
   line 2
   ...
   \stoplines}

 and this doesn't work.

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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt

2010-09-15 Thread John Haltiwanger
Yeah, that seems like a good way to go. Now I finally understand what
Wolfgang was saying last night :)

Since whitespace wasn't important to this particular poem, it did not matter
(using \par worked fine). But I will update my blog with this for sure, as
in the case of whitespace-sensitive poetry its a much better solution.

In general though, it is completely unnecessary, as poetry generally has no
need to be defined in macros. But it's the edge cases, where I live :)

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


 Am 16.09.2010 um 00:38 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

  However, \startlines..\stoplines is not available when defining a macro.


 What do you mean by that these macros are not available?

 Doesn't the following work? (untested, but I will be really surprised if
 it doesn't work)

 \def\startpoety
  {\startlines
  % All the remaining setup
  }

 \def\stoppoety
 {%whatever setup you want
  \stoplines}


 He use

 \def\poetry
  {\startlines
  line 1
  line 2
  ...
  \stoplines}

 and this doesn't work.


 Oh. In that case, I will do

 \startbuffer[poerty]
 line 1
 line
 \stopbuffer

 \def\poetry
  {\startlines
   \getbuffer[poetry]
   \stoplines}

 or even

 \def\getpoerty#1[#2]%
  {\startlines
   \getbuffer[#2]
   \stoplines}

 That should work (again untested).


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Re: [NTG-context] HOWTO: Typesetting Poetry in ConTeXt

2010-09-15 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:

  In general though, it is completely unnecessary, as poetry generally has
 no
 need to be defined in macros. But it's the edge cases, where I live :)


 On the contrary, typesetting poerty can be very tricky. This is what I did
 once to typeset the divine comedy. Don't ask how I figured out the right
 value of the inbetween key :)

 \setupindenting   [medium,yes]

 \setuplines[inbetween={\crlf\par\setupindenting[next]\testpage[3]},indenting=next]

 \starttext
 \startlines
 Midway upon the journey of our life
 I found myself within a forest dark,
 For the straightforward pathway had been lost.

 Ah me! how hard a thing it is to say
 What was this forest savage, rough, and stern,
 Which in the very thought renews the fear.

 So bitter is it, death is little more;
 But of the good to treat, which there I found,
 Speak will I of the other things I saw there.

 I cannot well repeat how there I entered,
 So full was I of slumber at the moment
 In which I had abandoned the true way.

 But after I had reached a mountain's foot,
 At that point where the valley terminated,
 Which had with consternation pierced my heart,

 ...
 \stoplines
 \stoptext


Yes, but this is an example of what I am saying: in general
\startlines..\stoplines is enough (albeit here with some extra stuff
integrated into \setuplines[inbetween=]). It seems to me that pretty much
only if you are doing something generative would you need to worry about the
specifics of buffers and defining macros for typesetting poetry (as was my
case with writing a dedication page in a pandoc template). No
\startpoem..\stoppoem, or even \poem (though now I am having some nice ideas
for weird poetry.. as I said, I spend a lot of time with edge cases ;)

Interestingly, this conversation has cleared up a few lingering details in
my mind re: ConTeXt. Maybe a poetry typesetting tutorial is a worthy way to
explain some key concepts?

I'd be really curious to see your edition of the Inferno, by the way.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt meeting Lua tutorials

2010-08-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
How about including Lua library loading in the tutorial? The
discussion of converting from pre-formats like Markdown seems like a
good starting point for demonstrating how to load Lua libraries and
integrate procedural programming into a ConTeXt workflow.

Hopefully I will be there, still rounding up the cash but it looks
like I might make it.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 25-8-2010 10:05, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

 Am 24.08.2010 um 20:37 schrieb Oliver Buerschaper:

 Hi all,

 Today I started preparations for my activities at the ConTeXt meeting.

 There are two small lua tutorials in the program, and I am looking
 for input on both. There is one that is supposed to be a general
 beginner's introduction, and one specifically about fonts.

 For both, I am looking for input on what subjects I should cover?

 Since both tutorials will end up as articles/wiki pages, it makes
 sense to ask everybody on the list for input (but requests by actual
 attendees will be scored considerably higher).

 Perhaps some example to modify a font at runtime? I don't know whether
 that's possible at all, but if yes, it would be great to see how one could
 modify kerning tables etc. Often a font needs to be groomed but its license
 places some restrictions on modifying the file itself...


 +1

 This is somewhat tricky. Actually I had a mechanism for that but I discarded
 the code. However there will be a feature like that some day as it needs a
 rather tight integration in the core of context's font handling. (btw, there
 is a feature for type 1 fonts that adds 'missing' kerns based on shape
 codes).

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Re: [NTG-context] other markup to ConTeXt

2010-08-14 Thread John Haltiwanger
This was exactly what I was wondering last night:

How hard would it be to just write the converter into LuaTeX? Does
LuaTeX's position as a moving target affect this at all?

As you suggest Phillip, it might not be so difficult. It certainly
sounds like a worthwhile project. Seeming as how there is an obvious
spread of interest, perhaps we can start working on something
collaboratively.

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Philipp Gesang
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 On 2010-08-14 07:19:17, Gour D. wrote:
 Finally, for the high-quality output, we plan to convert to ConTeXt
 (via pandoc since there is no ConTeXt writer for sphinx/docutils) for
 high-quality PDF output (if rst2pdf won't be satisfying or if we would
 like to provide paper putput.

 Hi Gour, Hraban, John, and the list,

 did you consider directly processing reST or similar markdown with
 context using lua? Certainly it has advantages to have a converter output
 context (backslash style) code and being able to finalize it. But
 implementing some .rst processing directly in context shouldn't be that
 hard (and with luatex you could handle the html output as well).

 Has somebody already made some steps in that way?  (I'm thinking about
 doing so for quite some time now but then, it's not that pressing
 either.)

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[NTG-context] Simplefonts + Linux Libertine fails to do italics and bold

2010-08-13 Thread John Haltiwanger
The following shows a problem I am seeing when trying to use the
opentype version of Linux Libertine with the simplefonts module.

\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[linlibertineo]

\starttext
Well, {\em this} doesn't work but {\sc this} does... and bold {\bf 
neither}
\stoptext

Using a recent minimals and a luatex ~0.60.2 .
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Re: [NTG-context] Simplefonts + Linux Libertine fails to do italics and bold

2010-08-13 Thread John Haltiwanger
Thanks, that resolves it!

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Am 13.08.10 13:58, schrieb John Haltiwanger:

 The following shows a problem I am seeing when trying to use the
 opentype version of Linux Libertine with the simplefonts module.

 \usemodule[simplefonts]
 \setmainfont[linlibertineo]

 You have to use the full name of the font, e.g.

 \setmainfont[Linux Libertine O]

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[NTG-context] Footnote numbers not following \setupinteraction color

2010-08-13 Thread John Haltiwanger
I seem to be full of problems today:

---
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupinteraction[state=start, color=black]

\setupcolor[hex]
\definecolor[titleRed][h=910A00]

\starttext

This \footnote{should not have a red color, correct?}

\stoptext
---

The footnote number in the page footer inherits color titleRed, though
the footnote notice in the text is properly black.

Also, this doesn't seem to affect links in my ToC (they aren't titleRed).
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Re: [NTG-context] other markup to ConTeXt (was: simplefonts or Typecripts)

2010-08-13 Thread John Haltiwanger
This is very similar to a project in which I am planning to engage in
the near future. Output to both HTML and PDF utilizing a simple markup
seems to be a killer feature that at least some of us are looking
for. Cross-media publishing, however, is never painless. It's like a
Holy Grail.

Pandoc makes me want to either learn Haskell or implement my own
markup with a focus towards multiple output formats and typesetting in
general (most markups seem to be focused on developer workflows).

Anyway, a fruitful space for ConTeXt, thanks to its strive for configurability.

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 Am 2010-08-13 um 21:11 schrieb Gour D.:

 For now, it can be enough considering that atm we'll mostly write
 markdown/reST and convert to ConTeXt via pandoc, but later we'll go
 into final production...

 Sounds interesting. What's your workflow? Do you use a special editor
 (WYSIWYM?) for your markup?

 For a new project I'm planning to use some simple markup (probably ReST)
 with a Web CMS to create HTML and ConTeXt - PDF.
 (I won't need math.)

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[NTG-context] Aligning titles so that they begin in the margin rather at text edge

2010-08-10 Thread John Haltiwanger
Hey all, a very simple problem, really, but one I'm having trouble
finding examples for. I would like to set up my titles to begin in the
margin, rather than at the text edge, similar to what is found in
Bringhurst's _Elements of Typographic Style_. I'm pretty certain the
solution is incredibly easy, just not so obvious for newbies like me.
I will immediately post the solution to the Titles wiki page.

Adv-THANKS-ance,
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Marcin Borkowski
mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote:
 Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a):
 On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski
 mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote:
  Hi,
 
  what an interesting discussion!
 
  My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness
  is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or
  Afroamericans or other such strange inventions.  These new words
  somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984...

 So what do you write instead? Negro?

 And what's wrong with Negro?  AFAIK, it means black, so it just
 describes the reality.  This is what a word should do, right?  And btw,
 the term Afroamerican doesn't really make much sense to me: what would
 you call a Negro, born in France, and living in Germany, when you wanted
 to distinguish him from a white man?  (Please note that by man, I mean
 a human being of any sex;).)

 To be more serious: I accept that there might be a problem caused by the
 fact that I am not a native speaker of English.  I suspect that somehow
 the neutral term Negro started being used in a derogatory fashion, and
 that it might be unpleasant to black people to be called Negroes.  And
 that's why I usually say just black people.

So what is your issue here then? You are already working by the rules
I proposed:

using the words that the group wishes to be called by (or at least not
using the words which they don't).

BTW, 'Negro' is definitely not a term to be used for referring to
black Americans. IIRC, it is a positive term in Brazil. The point is
to be aware of these things and to respect people's wishes regarding
them, rather than blithely pretending that any name you use should
automatically be fine simply because, well, YOU don't see the problem
with using the term Negro (for instance).

 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my
 anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who
 issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized
 groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for
 instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils
 down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying,
 which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather
 than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled).

 Well, onerous might not be the best word.  Scary might be better.

 You see, I am quite convinced that trying to manipulate language by
 hand is a very bad idea.  Maybe this is partly because I live in a
 former Communist country (Poland); we have seen such things in the past.
 Another reason maybe that it seems to me that one of the first groups to
 talk about political correctness (maybe even coining the phrase, I
 don't know) were feminists, who did so much more harm to women in
 general than we usually imagine.

I understand your sensitivity vis a vis Regime Imposed language
tuning. You have got to be kidding me with that anti-feminist talk,
though. I'm not going to go there with you, especially after your
explanation below.

 This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are
 involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT
 (in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these
 circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The
 problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be
 less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious
 issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting
 points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because
 it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a
 depressing thought.

 I am not sure that I understood your point, but I am quite convinced
 that the low percentage of women in mathematics or IT is caused
 primarily by the simple fact that an average female brain is not well
 fit for this particular purpose.  (Of course, we all know notable
 exceptions.  Also note that better/worse fit for one particular
 purpose is completely unrelated to better/worse in general.)

I'd laugh at this if it wasn't the same shit that's been going around
for years in the math/IT circles. Socialization is the cause behind
this, not natural differences in brain structure. If the society has
decided to accept and repeat this fact over and over, and men will
generally act as if it is true (pushing out females who make the
attempt), then it will come to appear as true. But that doesn't make
it any less BS.

Put out some science for that one, dude.
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-28 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 28-7-2010 1:12, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

 Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a):

 I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start
 a document, and stick with it.  (If I think the issue might be of
 interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.)

 I like that!  Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist
 will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more
 often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...)

 as normally one can swap he/she without problems, we can make a module for
 that ..

 % Of course one can now wonder if \heshe or \shehe should be defined first.

 \getrandomcount\scratchcounter{0}{10}

 \ifnum\scratchcounter5
    \enablemode[gender:male]
    \edef\heshe {he}
    \edef\HeShe {He}
    \edef\hisher{His}
 \else
    \enablemode[gender:female]
    \edef\heshe {she}
    \edef\HeShe {She}
    \edef\hisher{Her}
 \fi

 \let\shehe \heshe
 \let\SheHe \HeShe
 \let\herhis\hisher

 \starttext

 I wonder if \heshe\ likes reading this article.

 \stoptext

 (looks like i need to move some initialization code as the seed is set at
 starttext time which is too late)


This is really cool :)
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote:

 Personally I feel that the political correctness has gone a bit too far, but
 where the line should be drawn, I don't know.

 I can provide a few examples of where political correctness *has* gone too far
 and can actually be even counter-productive:

 In Slovenia it is rude to call Bosnians Bosanci, Albanians Šiptarji and
 Gypsies Cigani and the official political correct terms for them are:
 Bošnjaki, Albanci and Romi.

 With first two the problem is that they even officially call _themselves_
 Bosanci and Šiptarji in their own language.

Who is considering it rude? Do the Bosanci consider it rude when you
call them Bosanci and prefer that you would use Bošnjaki? Or is it a
different set of people who are offended? This is my personal litmus
test for navigating the preferred naming of groups (preferred by the
groups themselves, that is).

There are many cases in American culture at least of groups using a
term within themselves that they do not want others to use, but not
usually the names used by that population when politely referring to
themselves (i.e. generally these terms are loaded slang words
appropriated from the dominating culture and internalized in order to
redistribute the balance of power that forms around that word.) So I'm
wondering if the situation you describe in Slovenia is being driven by
these groups, or if those groups would actually prefer to go by the
name they call themselves.

 With the so called Roma people, the problem is even bigger, since to my
 knowledge Roma are just one of the tribes. So by having to call _all_ gypsies
 Roma, you are effectively putting one tribe in front of the others and denying
 the existence of the others.

I have to ask the same question: Do the tribes in general prefer Romi
over Cigani? Also: am I going to far in assuming that any movement to
encourage them to all be called by their individual tribal names would
inevitably be referred to as pushing a 'politically correct' agenda?

In proper synchronistic fashion, I came across this piece today that
fits our topic of discussion:

  
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383131592767868.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read
-- Lost in Translation
-- New cognitive research suggests that language profoundly influences
the way people see the world; a different sense of blame in Japanese
and Spanish

All this new research shows us that the languages we speak not only
reflect or express our thoughts, but also shape the very thoughts we
wish to express. The structures that exist in our languages profoundly
shape how we construct reality, and help make us as smart and
sophisticated as we are.
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski
mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote:
 Hi,

 what an interesting discussion!

 My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness
 is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or
 Afroamericans or other such strange inventions.  These new words
 somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984...

So what do you write instead? Negro?

'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my
anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who
issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized
groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for
instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils
down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying,
which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather
than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled).

This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are
involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT
(in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these
circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The
problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be
less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious
issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting
points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because
it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a
depressing thought.

I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a
Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender
pronoun. Then, anyone reading can insert he/she or another option to
their own taste.
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Arthur Reutenauer
arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote:
 I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a
 Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender
 pronoun.

  Unicode encodes scripts, not languages, so that's outside of its
 scope.  Even if you were to develop a new character that would function
 as a neutral gender pronoun in English or other languages, it would
 still be attached to one (or several) language(s).  You're of course
 free to advocate its use in all existing languages with a written
 standard, but that would take some time ;-)  And even then, it would
 leave out the vast majority of languages, those that are only spoken.

I don't see how this applies: there are plenty of characters provided
by Unicode that can be used regardless of which language I am writing
in.. such as the male/female symbols already mentioned. So in this
case, it would be a symbol for the 'language of the internet', not
simply for a single language. Some symbols are available regardless of
the general language used, correct?

Granted, I know next to nothing about font encodings, so I'll defer
here to the knowledge of others.
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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)

2010-07-26 Thread John Haltiwanger
Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide:
it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people
find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance.

It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he'
to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another).
Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was
adopted because 'one' (the real correct unisex pronoun) is just too
awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads
surprisingly well.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote:
 Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a):
 * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]:
 -.-.-
 P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in
 unisex gender (other then one)?

 The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented
 problem where no real problem exists.

 Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is
 always a bit odd.


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Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-26 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Richard Stephens
richard.steph...@converteam.com wrote:
 On 26-7-2010 11:48, John Haltiwanger wrote:

 It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he'
 to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another).
 Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was
 adopted because 'one' (the real correct unisex pronoun) is just too
 awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads
 surprisingly well.

 maybe male authors could use he and female authors could use she
 consistently (or we could get accustomed to 'it')

 Hans


 The trend that I have noticed (and which trips off the tongue most easily
 for British english-speakers) is to use the plural 'they' in place of the
 singular pronoun 'he' or 'she'. This avoids having to choose! For purists,
 it rankles, but then we have to accept that the language will change.
 Personally, for serious writing, I use the rather cumbersome, but
 grammatically correct, 'he or she'. I personally don't like 'he/she'. The
 use of 'one' as a pronoun in British english is pretty much dead and sounds
 very stilted to us - only the Queen and old school masters still use it!
 Using 'it' is not an option.
 Best regards,
 Richard

The best thing about switching the pronouns between uses (so, not even
on a sentence basis--in case that is how my first explanation was
perceives--but on the 'usage' of a pronoun. So, generally restricted
to a paragraph) is that you are making the explicit ('he or she')
implicit. You demonstrate that it is equally normal for one to occur
in the place of another in the current of your explanation, without
being cumbersome to speak within any given sentence (unless one is
uncomfortable with the subject noun of a given sentence being
feminine, of course).

The solution of sticking to your own gender is complicated by the
historical-and-ongoing trend to male dominance in academia. The
problematic of the gendered pronoun emerges as male voices normalize
the male as the subject of discourse. In this way Hans' solution would
only perpetuate the issue at hand, which is that feminine pronouns
appear as an other when all you ever see is male pronouns. It's
invocation is, simply by virtue of its disparity in appearance, an
edge case. Language has deep roots in the mind such that a linguistic
framing of something as Other can and in fact does 'other' the subject
at which the framing is directed. Some theorists, both male and
female, take it to the position of only using feminine pronouns in
their examples that require third-person. Others change it within
individual sentences in a more extreme demonstration of juxtaposition.

Personally, I find it a sign of forward-thinking when pronouns are
'neutralized' through this juxtaposition of possibility (ie both are
shown to fit equally the examples provided). Perhaps it is simply the
times I grew up in, but reading a man only ever writing 'he' implies a
crucial non-existence of concern re: the subject in the writer's mind.
I don't throw out their theory as a result of it, but it is certainly
something I note.

Then again, I'm a fringe member of a fringe discipline (new media), so
perhaps what I can do/what is expected linguistically is irrelevant
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Re: [NTG-context] question about howto implement context on homeserver

2010-06-16 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM, mrheggiz janerik.hagg...@bredband.net wrote:
 HI ALL!

 This maybe discussed before. I ask anyway.

 I'm having a personal homeserver that is accessible anywhere with linux LAMP
 installed.

 Is there some way to install minimals and have a webpage with a function
 similar to
  context live but with mkiv support.

 If I'm sitting on a computer with no context installation, it would be nice
 to typeset my .tex files and receive a downloadable .pdf as a result.

 Also I want to have possibility to do an online conversion from other
 markups to context markup like pandoc.

 I can do some shellscripting or php scripting if someone have some hints in
 that direction.

I have tentative plans to implement exactly this (including the pandoc
part) as a module for the new Aiki web framework (
http://aikiframework.org )

Like many of my plans, they are currently on the backburner as I
finish my masters thesis.
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Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu:

 Let's distinguish typographical engineering from typographical programming.
 This will not be a book on the latter per se. Typographical engineering can
 be done by a non-programmer -- structured and automated processing using the
 high-level commands of Context. Typographic programming is an advanced
 topic, for which this book can serve as an introduction.

Thanks for the distinction. In that case, I think this is even better.

 For typographic programming, of course the TeXBook is, if no indispensable,
 then extremely useful.

And for typographical engineering? From your distinction, that is much
more what I am looking for.


 Can you explain what you mean by appendix on workflows?

Sorry, I meant editor workflows with ConTeXt (ie Authoring in Notepad++).

 A community model for feedback on the book would be useful. I don't want it
 too open at the moment -- can slow down development and I want to get this
 DONE. But maybe a select audience of test-able volunteers will be the way to
 go... thnx for that suggestion!

Please let me know if I can help. Given the suitability of this book's
angle to what I am doing and the level I'm working from I do think my
perspective can be useful.
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Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Marcin Borkowski
mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote:

 My 3 cents: if you want to have your thesis done *quickly* and in an
 easy, howto - recipe - faq way, just use LaTeX (probably with
 amsrefs/tikz/memoir/a few others).  If you want to do more unusual
 things, and have some spare time to play with them and ask a lot of
 questions here - use ConTeXt.  (Some time ago, on the blog of the
 Malaysian LaTeX User Group (http://latex-my.blogspot.com/) there was a
 nice example of having a colourful, good-looking book done in LaTeX,
 btw, so it's also possible, of course; but LaTeX was *not* designed with
 such things in mind.)

It is not just a matter of typesetting the thesis in ConTeXt---ConTeXt
is a subject of study. But even barring that, my brief experience with
LaTeX was more than enough to know that the very design of the macro
package irks me to a degree I would not like to use it at all, for
whatever purpose. It is like Ruby on Rails: convention over
configuration. No thank you, I'm not looking for a thesis that looks
like an AMS paper, and no matter how hard ConTeXt can be to start
learning, my money is that hacking LaTeX to make it look the way I
want is much much more difficult.

The thesis also has to target both electronic and print PDFs. There is
just nothing LaTeX offers me besides a poorly designed (imo) system
that will take as much time, if not more, to learn how to customize to
my liking than ConTeXt.

 And please, *do* read the TeXbook - it's so much fun!

As I said, it will be read. I was just trying to discern in which order.
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Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:08 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:58 PM, John Haltiwanger
 john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote:
  Would that make it feasible to somehow chain Parrot's Lua
  to LuaTeX?
 parrot ~ luajit
 cfr. http://luajit.org/
 Maybe some day luatex will be jitluatex
 but I don't see here a priority --- luajit is x86 specific for example.

 My point of view is not so new COM  .NET , plug-in all share the
 same concept of dynamic loading
 --- but the don't know the concept of typographical programming.


Parrot also knows dynamic loading, so that probably makes much more sense
than some ad-hoc tethering of the two interpreters. If I understand the
design of Parrot properly, then as soon as one language has defined an
interface to LuaTeX, that interface will be usable in other languages on the
VM.
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Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
2010/4/3 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu:

 It is a book on ConTeXt, but NOT a ConTeXtBook, ConTeXt Companion, or other
 clone. Rather, it aims to introduce Context as a general tool for
 typographical and typesetting engineering. Some of the philosophy of book
 design and layout will be discussed, and it will contain a strong reference
 to commands etc.

As the unique nature of typographical programming has lead it to
under-documentation, I want to say that maintaining this as a central
focus is a brilliant idea. Will Section II involve describing some
detail important aspects of ConTeXt's internals?

 NB: MKIV ONLY!

 The basic outline is


 I. Ontology and Theory
 II. Typographical Engineering in Context [including special topics, advanced
 techniques of luatex, opentype etc]
 III. A Typographical Engineer's Reference [organization of options and
 commands, glossary]
 IV. Appendix: Authoring in Notepad++ [or some other tool]
 V. Indices

 So no knowledge or familiarity with TeX is assumed at all. We will cover
 some advanced topics as well, including introductions to luatex scripting
 etc

As this is precisely my situation, perhaps I can offer you the benefit
of a test-able target audience? Today I am already looking into the
best route to learning TeX/mkiv in a holistic (ie not just looking for
the 'recipe' I need to meet a given deadline). I have just entered
full-time thesis mode, so the question begins Should I just sit down
and read the TeXBook? (something that will be done regardless, it's
just a question as what is most worthwhile to Getting Something Done
Right Now) or would it be that the LuaTeX manual is more directly
applicable? Or, perhaps, a chapter from your book? ;)

 I was not planning to announce this for some time yet, but given the buzz
 around the topic on ConTeXt documentation Hans thought it would be a good
 moment to introduce this project and to get your feedback.

 So please use this thread to make suggestions:

 What would you all like to see covered in the planned book project:

 Typographical Ontology and Engineering: Structured and Automated Authoring
 in Context

 I look forward to your feedback and suggestions!

I think the more you source it with the community, the stronger it
will become. That is, our ignorance will most likely help you refine
it in ways you wouldn't have expected to need to. But in other ways as
well. For example, the appendix on workflows can gain a lot from
community input I'd think.
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Re: [NTG-context] Typographical Engineering in Context

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:41 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote:

 As a computer engineer, one of the most import point of luatex-ConTeXMKIV
 is the possibility offered by Lua of an easy binding with external
 C/C++ shared library.
 This adds another dimension to literate programming, and in some
 circumstances eliminates
 the separation between documentation and code.
 For example, you can write an article in mkiv about Computational
 Commutative Algebra
 and the article *is* the program because is processed by the binding
 of luatex to a comp.comm.alg library
 Or you can write a text about electrical net and, if you  have a
 binding to a spice library, the text is also the program
 that resolve the net and show the result (in a graphical manner also,
 thank to mplib).
 I'm pretty sure that there are others examples in mechanical sectors,
 financial sectors, combinatorial area and so on,
 maybe logic too.
 CPU power and disk storage are not a problem:
 8cores-8GigaByte-1Tera computer has already reach the mass-market
 and context mkiv and luatex are well designed.

I've been imagining what opportunities might be available via the
Parrot platform, as there is a native Lua on the VM that could
ostensibly share objects/classes/methods/code with any other language
on the platform. Not sure what kind of bridging options will be
available between Parrot and LuaTeX, but I think I remember something
about being able to 'inject' Lua statements into the LuaTeX engine (at
some point)? Would that make it feasible to somehow chain Parrot's Lua
to LuaTeX?

I'm not a true software engineer, just a self-taught tinkerer with
wild ideas. I hadn't been thinking in such literate programming terms,
but that sounds incredibly cool.



2010/4/3 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com:


 As this is precisely my situation, perhaps I can offer you the benefit
 of a test-able target audience? Today I am already looking into the
 best route to learning TeX/mkiv in a holistic (ie not just looking for
 the 'recipe' I need to meet a given deadline). I have just entered
 full-time thesis mode, so the question begins Should I just sit down
 and read the TeXBook? (something that will be done regardless, it's
 just a question as what is most worthwhile to Getting Something Done
 Right Now) or would it be that the LuaTeX manual is more directly
 applicable? Or, perhaps, a chapter from your book? ;)

Sorry to reply to myself, but the send button got pressed a bit early.
The point is, I want to approach TeX/mkiv in a holistic way. I don't
necessarily want to be mired in TeX constraints when it seems LuaTeX
will be a) easier b) more relevant c) more powerful. However, I can
imagine that knowing the former is important to understanding/learning
the latter.

Anyway, at the moment I'm content to read Taco's new typography
chapter and add a few notes :)
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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user
context.u...@gmail.com wrote:

    Pick up a pen and go 'n write
    On any part of ConTeXt that you like

 A wiki article, a blog post, are good places to start
 People reading them will relish the knowledge it imparts

You forgot to mention the part where someone said he was planning to
do these things ;)

I literally haven't had time to launch some real projects using
ConTeXt. Everything so far has been ad-hoc environment setups that
look relatively decent. My first step is to learn (and document that
learning) a project using the structure presented here
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Project_structure . I'll keep you
posted.

Also, I want to say that this kind of anonymous poetry is, to me,
proof-positive of an excellent community.
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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user
context.u...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, John Haltiwanger
 john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Yet Another ConTeXt user
 context.u...@gmail.com wrote:

    Pick up a pen and go 'n write
    On any part of ConTeXt that you like

 A wiki article, a blog post, are good places to start
 People reading them will relish the knowledge it imparts

 Or be brave and reach salvation
 Like John, use ConTeXt as a topic of your dissertation

 You forgot to mention the part where someone said he was planning to
 do these things ;)

 Corrected :D

:D
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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book: A summary

2010-04-03 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:
 On Saturday 03 April 2010 19:14:20 John Haltiwanger wrote:

 Also, I want to say that this kind of anonymous poetry is, to me,
 proof-positive of an excellent community.

 Beers all around (in Prague next September)!

Ah, another good sign! ;)
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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
Ah, I was going to respond in an offlist email to Arthur that I am
available for help. My masters thesis, though evolved considerably
since I first submitted a vague description some months ago, is still
significantly focused on ConTeXt. I will necessarily be documenting
the means by which I overcome certain obstacles, achieve certain
effects, etc. This will appear through blog posts, and in the end may
or may not be typeset into a kind of Excursion-style PDF. All this
discussion of poor documentation at times brings fear into my
enthusiasm for this thesis. On the one hand I do not wish to rely on
mk.II, and on the other I've heard people say that any projects they
begin in mk.IV end up being written for mk.II for stability purposes.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Anyway, just wanted to say that there was to be at least one more
individual offering help. Too bad it turns out to be a joke :/


Regards,
John Haltiwanger


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 2-4-2010 11:57, luigi scarso wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Arthur Reutenauer
 arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org  wrote:

 Good news - if it isn't an April hoax. :-)

  Martin, you're so evil!  Don't ever ruin my jokes again -- I didn't
 ruin yours 3 years again (the one where you announced XPSTeX, and said
 Microsoft would embed pdfTeX in Word).  Fortunately people didn't pay
 too much attention to your mail :-]

  To all: it was, indeed, an April Fool's joke I suggested to Hans and
 Taco.  Nobody has offered to pay anyone to write ConTeXt documentation
 yet, although several people have toyed with the idea of writing a
 ConTeXt book.  But, even with the incentive of money, time and
 motivation are also a problem.

  And to the only one who offered help -- Luigi: gloria a te!  It's
 heartwarming to see truly sincere support.  I'm sorry I have nothing to
 provide for the moment, but maybe in the near future things will get
 moving?

        Have a nice Good Friday everyone,

 So let's see this year what I have won;
 Taco: ++ beers (one for last year...)
 Hans: + beer
 Arthur: + beer
 Martin: 1/2 beer (* I * remember it)

 but that's a german size which is twice the dutch so ...

 They are 4.5 beers for me --- a good motive to come bachoTeX...hmm..

 5 then ... i'd better let you update the modules documentation then before
 you start drinking (there will be a current next week, so you have plenty of
 time)

 Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt book

2010-04-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 well, i use mkiv exclusively so that might be a sign that it's not that bad;
 the main issue is to keep mkiv and luatex in sync

Good to know :)

I would much prefer mkiv as well, as luatex seems much easier to grok
than TeX. I have the luck to be entering typographical programming at
a new stage. To what degree can luatex be relied on to accomplish all
that TeX macros can? Does certain functionality still require TeX
code?

Re: documentation,

Perhaps a thing to do in the meantime is start a section on the wiki
where we do a command by command description of what different macros
accomplish? (Apologies if I'm mincing terminologies here). Starting
with the undocumented ones, but then working back and providing a bit
of insight into use cases, such as what 'middle' may mean in a given
instance, or that it's the best/required option (this point is still
fuzzy to me). The command ref is just not insightful at my level of
TeX.

The thesis case study is concurrent typesetting of itself in HTML,
ODT, and ConTeXt. Part of the idea is to interrogate different
capabilities and comparing the processes between the formats for
accomplishing the same thing (toggle-able sidenotes instead of
footnote/endnote citations in ConTeXt vs HTML, for instance). So in
that sense there should be more tutorial style content available for
the wiki. I'll be pestering the list for help in those areas, I'm
sure.
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Re: [NTG-context] RCS/git server (was: Transliterator module, 2nd revision)

2010-03-11 Thread John Haltiwanger
Another option is Gitosis:

http://swik.net/gitosis

from
http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way:



I have been asked more and more these days, How do I host a Git
repository? Usually it is assumed that some access control beyond simply
read-only is involved (some users have commit rights). With access control
comes issues of security, and that's a whole other bag of cats. This post is
about presenting an answer to this question, without the fuss.

The rest of this article will be a tutorial showing you how to host and
manage Git repositories with access control, easily and safely. I use an up
and coming tool called *gitosis
http://eagain.net/gitweb/?p=gitosis.git*that my friend
Tv http://eagain.net/ wrote to help make hosting git repos easier and
safer. It manages multiple repositories under one user account, using SSH
keys to identify users. *However, users do *not* need shell accounts on the
server, instead they will talk to one shared account that does not allow
arbitrary commands.* Git itself is used to setup gitosis and manage the Git
repos, which pleases the recursion-seeking orthogonal CS-side of my brain.



On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote:

 Am 2010-03-10 um 23:09 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

  On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 17:01, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Am 10.03.10 10:47, schrieb Philipp Gesang:


 I have opened a bitbucket account in order to not to clutter the mailing
 list with archives.  The tip revision can be found here:
 http://bitbucket.org/phg/transliterator/get/2fc2b5fbbd46.gz
 and the precompiled manual over here:
 http://bitbucket.org/phg/transliterator/downloads/transliterator.pdf


 Can you also add the module to the module section [1] on the wiki,


 We urgently need to have some git server or something similar on the
 garden for modules. Maybe SVN would also do for a while. The current
 approach is very clumsy to use.


 see
 http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#public-repositories

 If the web server running supports WebDAV, we could use that:

 http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/setup-git-server-over-http.txt

 Otherwise you'd need to run git daemon (usually on port 9418):
 http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-daemon.html

 For my non-public projects I just access the repos on my webserver via ssh,
 but that wouldn't be enough for ConTeXt modules - or perhaps it would, if
 everyone gets his/her own user account and you/Patrick can link that into
 the module store.

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Re: [NTG-context] Suggestions on fonts and foundries

2010-03-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
This site might provide a good place to ask further advice:

http://typedia.com/forum/viewcategory/1/


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote:

 Am 2010-03-01 um 04:54 schrieb Tom:


  Some time back I recall seeing a message in which someone discussed using
 fonts available from foundries and recommended certain ones.
 Unfortunately,
 I can't seem to find that message. I will probably need one serif font for
 the text of the book, a plain sans serif font to use for entries in a
 table,
 a fancier sans serif font for chapter titles and, possibly a different
 not-too-plain sans serif font for page headers. Also, I can't figure out
 how
 to tell ConTeXt which font to use for page headers.


 I guess you know http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts ?

 Without knowing the subject and/or intended audience of your book I can't
 suggest suitable fonts.

 Generally I find Palatino (TeX Gyre Pagella) with Frutiger (in a pinch: MS
 Calibri) a very good combination, even if rather conservative.

 SIL Gentium is also a very nice body font, if you like a soft, human
 touch. Linotype Finnegan is a matching sans-serif; perhaps try Libertine
 Biolinum, if you want a free one.

 For more technically looking sans's I like LM Sans and URW Grotesk
 (especially in small sizes).


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Re: [NTG-context] Footnote Failure

2010-02-22 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 06:11:56PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
 btw, why not put the url defs somplace in your preamble, that way
 you have one spot to maintain them

 \setupinteraction[state=start]

 \starttext

 \useURL[git:2][http://...][][Git Virtue]

 \footnote{The views ... \from[git:2] }

 \stoptext

 And this one aspect of ConTeXt I can't get comfortable with, \useURL is
 great and every thing, but it is overkill for my simple url use; I just
 need a very simple, one call command, some thing like
 \URL[http://...]{foo}.


Another good idea, though I seem to remember Hans shooting this down before..
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[NTG-context] Footnote Failure

2010-02-20 Thread John Haltiwanger
I'm having trouble understanding why the attached file fails with:

structure   : subject @ level 3 : 0.0.0 - Information
! Undefined control sequence.
\dododescriptioncomponent ...entdescriptioncoding
  \s!tex \fi \ifx \currentde...
\@@notemakedescription ...list =,\c!bookmark =,][]
  \xdef \currentnotenumber {...
l.79 ...r in light of Pasquinelli's presentation.}

If I replace \footnote{} with parantheses, the included source compiles fine.

I've had a separate issue where a URL containing %'s seems to gum up
the system (that is, when I pared down the source to isolate the above
peculiarity I removed the URLs with %s and the other error, which
would stop compilation itself if the parantheses had solved the above
issue, disappeared.) Is pandoc producing the proper, or preferred,
\useURL syntax? I'm assuming pandoc aims for mkII over mkIV, but I
thought I read that the interface had not changed.

Sincerely,
John Haltiwanger


fail.tex
Description: TeX document
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?

2010-02-09 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:

 On Tuesday 09 February 2010 03:50:27 Curiouslearn wrote:
 
  I hope (and this perhaps has nothing to do with the brilliant Context
  development team) is that journals start accepting Context files.
  While I use context for my personal and class notes, for articles I am
  still forced to go to latex because journals do not accept context
  files.
 

 In fact, not many journals even accept LaTeX: I sometimes have to submit
 so-called .txt files!

 As Otared Kavian pointed out, the mathematics journals are a bit more
 advanced (as are the purely physics journals), and LaTeX is even a
 standard. Unfortunately, arXiv.org (still) has problems with ConTeXt,
 as the submitted source is detected as TeX but the compilation fails.
 One is thus obligated to translate to LaTeX:
  Your (La)TeX, AMS(La)TeX, or PDFLaTeX submission will be processed
 automatically by our AutoTeX software.

 Now, if only my administration and funding agencies would stop sending
 MS-Word files...

 Alan

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Perhaps not an appropriate solution in all cases, but the application Pandoc
is able to generate standalone LaTeX files. One has to use something other
than ConTeXt as an input language (it can translate LaTeX input but so far
no ConTeXt; I use Markdown but reStructuredText and HTML are also available.
The standalone LaTeX files generated (meaning they include the header setup)
compile fine, at least the ones I've tested (ConTeXt standalone seems to
require Mk.II).

I must say I'm very impressed with this software. It turned all of my s
into \quotation{}, for instance, and it knows to do {\it italics} rather
than \it{italics}. One could also generate a Word document (via
OpenOffice.org ODT format output). Not to mention HTML.
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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?

2010-02-08 Thread John Haltiwanger
I'd just like to chime in that a new bibliography system would be first
suggestion for ConTeXt. I've only used BibTeX a few times, and never
BibLaTeX (because I'd already switched to ConTeXT), but it's inflexibility
makes it unworkable.

Ideally ConTeXt could provide its general sensible-ness (and Lua power) to
do for bibliographies what it has already done for TeX. CSL support and
something similar to string.format('%s. (%s). %s.', author, year, title) or
something just as easy for defining a new output style would be the two
features most desired. If MLA were finally implemented (or implementable)
for \cite{} in TeX, I would be a very happy masters student indeed ;)

(BibLaTeX's MLA did not work for me in LyX, which is about as far as I'm
going to go into LaTeX).

Until then I'll just use the MLA setup environment from the ConTeXt wiki and
input my refs by hand.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Am 08.02.10 14:41, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:


  And why not abstract this further? One could then flexibly
 logically place (and connect) containers of any sort.
 I use collectors and columnsetspan to put together posters (A0).
 This could be made easier.


 The flowfram [1] package for LaTeX looks like a good example how this can
 be done and with the current stream and layer mechanism it should be doable
 to provide something similar in ConTeXt.

 [1] http://ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html

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Re: [NTG-context] What do you miss in ConTeXt?

2010-02-08 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Philipp Gesang 
pges...@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de wrote:

 On 2010-02-08 16:12:09, Hans Hagen wrote:
  fyi: the whole bin stuff will be redone in mkiv. some of it is
  already done.
 
  1 - mkii compatible support (built in, no module)
  2 - loading of bib databases in memory and converte them in an xml tree
  3 - access to entries in arbitrary ways using path expressions
  4 - rewrite of rendering variants using the built in xml handler
 
  1 is more or less done, 2 also, 3 is possible but we might want more
  and for 4 taco and i will cook up an interface


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[NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts

2010-02-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
Hi all,

So the following used to work perfectly, but no longer does:

\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Liberation-Serif]

\starttext

I feel so Liberated that {\ConTeXt} can see all my system fonts!

\stoptext

I don't seem to remember changing any configuration in order to get ConTeXt
to see my system fonts (running ArchLinux, so it follows Linux standards).
Yet now I cannot get the simplefonts module to see what it used to see fine.
Has there been some backend changes so that *.ttf files on the system are
now ignored? Do I need to install it to the ConTeXt directory or is there
another alternative?

(Updating my font database does nothing, unless 'luatools --generate' does
not do this?)

% context --version
MTXrun | main context file:
/home/serk17/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex
MTXrun | current version: 2009.11.24 10:13
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts

2010-02-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
Alright! Thanks Wolfgang!

However, I'm running into another weirdness: all the text is italicized.

See attached (and for Liberation fonts see your package manager or
https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/).

~
% context --version
MTXrun | main context file:
/home/serk17/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex
MTXrun | current version: 2010.02.01 11:19

% luatex --version
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.50.0-2009122419
~~

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Am 02.02.10 12:43, schrieb John Haltiwanger:

  Hi all,

 So the following used to work perfectly, but no longer does:

 \usemodule[simplefonts]
 \setmainfont[Liberation-Serif]

 \starttext

 I feel so Liberated that {\ConTeXt} can see all my system fonts!

 \stoptext

 I don't seem to remember changing any configuration in order to get
 ConTeXt to see my system fonts (running ArchLinux, so it follows Linux
 standards). Yet now I cannot get the simplefonts module to see what it used
 to see fine. Has there been some backend changes so that *.ttf files on the
 system are now ignored? Do I need to install it to the ConTeXt directory or
 is there another alternative?

 (Updating my font database does nothing, unless 'luatools --generate' does
 not do this?)

 For system fonts on Linux you need a entry the OSFONTDIR environment
 variable,
 how you can do this is explained here:


 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts_in_LuaTex#Getting_access_to_the_system_fonts
 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091026.201256.cbd7927c.en.html
 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20091027.062301.0a8817d0.en.html

 Wolfgang


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Description: TeX document


font_error.pdf
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts

2010-02-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
Thanks Wolfgang! simplefonts is an amazing tool to tide me over until I take
the time to tackle the native font stuff (which seems to be too in flux to
really learn at this point anyway). Perfect for getting short documents
together and looking good.

So, to clarify, I just wait a few hours and then update my minimals?

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Am 02.02.10 14:35, schrieb John Haltiwanger:

  Alright! Thanks Wolfgang!

 However, I'm running into another weirdness: all the text is italicized.

 I uploaded a new version today which should fix this, please update
 your context (it can take a few hours till the minimals use the new
 simplefonts version).


 Wolfgang


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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in simplefonts

2010-02-02 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Wolfgang Schuster 
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Am 02.02.10 15:18, schrieb John Haltiwanger:

  Thanks Wolfgang! simplefonts is an amazing tool to tide me over until I
 take the time to tackle the native font stuff (which seems to be too in flux
 to really learn at this point anyway).

 The font system is stable and from the user side nothing has changed
 since a very long time, you write a typescript where you map the font
 files to a style (Serif, Sans, Mono) and load it in your document
 with \setupbodyfont.

 One new feature is that \setupbodyfont is enough in certain cases and
 you no longer need \usetypescript.


Okay, I guess I've gotten myself confused reading documents describing many
new features that were opened up by LuaTeX. Good to know, but still glad to
have simplefonts ;)
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[NTG-context] A thesis not just using, but on, ConTeXt.

2010-01-04 Thread John Haltiwanger
I have narrowed down my subject options for a masters thesis (New Media at
Universiteit van Amsterdam) and landed on a software
studyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_studiesof TeX through the
lens of ConTeXt/LuaTeX (the idea being to document the
cutting edge). For instance, the many materialities of a TeX document, the
fact that it exists as a source file, an evolving memory heap during
compilation, a ready-to-print document, and (often) as a print document.
Part of my thesis, and a good reason to investigate ConTeXt, is exploring
the material aspects of texts generated specifically for on-screen use/how
an interlinked PDF differs from a website/etc. Naturally, a materialist
analysis leads to discussing liberational potential, and the entire
assemblage of TeX will be examined in light of Benkler's 'virtuous
software'. (See
Benklerhttp://www.nyu.edu/projects/nissenbaum/papers/jopp_235.pdfor
mehttp://mastersofmedia.hum.uva.nl/2009/11/01/git-virtue-github-and-commons-based-peer-production/for
more.) More, I'm sure, will arise.

The second half of the thesis is an operational component: setting up an
online collaborative web application (with Ruby Waves http://rubywaves.com)
that is able to interweave git, reST/markdown/HTML (or a new one of my own
that I convert to ConTeXt), pandoc (unless option 2), and ConTeXt to craft a
system capable of outputting anything, not the least of which a PDF with
layout and typesetting specific to that system (in this case, a new open,
post/pure peer review journal of new media studies). I feel this must be
possible because I've read that some of you folks are running highly
automated typesetting jobs with ConTeXt.

However, it occurs to me I should discuss the feasibility of at least the
operational component with you folks before I end up trying to develop
something impossible come March. The theoretical component relates to the
operational component in as much as it seeks to justify it--this part is
basically saying 'typesetting matters' but in the sense that a good typeset
will a) make the journal feel much more established and allow an easy means
to produce an on-demand print version, and b) liberate the information in as
much as it is available in both PDF and machine-parsable ASCII, along with
everything in between.

Hmmm, maybe that _is_ taking a bit on.. Especially sense I don't know much
ConTeXt at the moment (for instance, not using them on my final papers this
semester). However, I will have significant time to dedicate to this thesis
(all day every day starting March), and I've become something of an
obsessive about TeX and typesetting, despite not having a lot of free time
to dedicate right this second. For instance I find myself reading the Mark
IV documentation (perfect for a software studies, btw!) rather than other,
perhaps more pressing things.

I guess I'm just sending a ping out to see what kind of response you folks
have to such a project. I don't feel as if anything is set in stone, per se.
The final proposal presentation is yet to happen, so I have time to make
changes.

Sincerely,
John Haltiwanger
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Re: [NTG-context] Using ConTeXt for a thesis?

2009-12-20 Thread John Haltiwanger
ConTeXt is great because there is only one system to learn. As was already
mentioned, it is much more consistent than LaTeX.

One tip is to make sure you are using the electronic version, rather than
the print version, of the ConTeXt manual. Any time you want to accomplish
something, just click index, then click on the page that talks about the
topic you are looking for. Incredible time saver.

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Manuel P. ayeye.sysfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mojca Miklavec ha scritto:

  On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 22:10, Manuel P. wrote:


 My requirements are quite easy: something unobtrusive that enable me to
 focus on the content and obtain a nice and consistent look with a
 virtually
 flat leaning curve (I don't mind a bit of learning, but I can't spend
 days
 on that). Some pictures, some tables, mainly text. Footnotes,
 bibliography,
 quotes and easy personalization of footers and headers.



 Despite the fact that you can get your questions answered here, it
 still makes sense to read (or at least skim through) the two manuals
 (CONTEXT, an excursion and cont-eni.pdf from
 http://www.pragma-ade.com/overview.htm).

 Mojca



 I've skimmed through the excursion, cont-enp.pdf and contextgarden but I
 didn't managed to find \lastpage or \setupbackgrounds. I was trying to
 decide between latex ot context and since I need to start writing I couldn't
 spend too much time on learning a tool that could have been not usable in my
 situation.

 I think I'll use context.

 Thank you Mojca.

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] goosh

2009-10-29 Thread John Haltiwanger
That site was up for only a couple days before Lightspeed Content Filter
labelled it a security proxy at the library where I used to work. Drove me
crazy, as it is definitely the best interface for Google ;)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:31 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://www.goosh.org


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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Bruce D'Arcus bdarcus.li...@gmail.comwrote:

 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwanger at gmail.com writes:

 [...]

  Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc.

 Actually, you can embed the RDFa within the markdown files if you like.

 div property=x:section

 # Introduction

 Test.
 /div

 Pandoc will just pass it on to the output XHTML (though throw it out for
 the
 context). But it's admittedly a little awkward to have to wrap the markdown
 with
 XHTML every time to want to add a triple.


Probably the biggest barrier for semanticality so far has been what a
struggle it is to incorporate into a fluid workflow. For instance yes that
is a pain to mix the markup and RDFa, but even more so if you are coding
straight XHTML (though visually it would look a bit less awkward, XHTML is
already so verbose that adding in the semanticality feels annoyingly
burdensome.)

If only markdown had some syntax for it, like

|x:test
# Introduction  |x:section
Test.
||

Wishful thinking.

Cheers,
John C. Haltiwanger
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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-26 Thread John Haltiwanger


 In any case, I'd worry less about the technology, and more about what you
 need
 from it. That will make it easier to figure out which approach is best.

 Bruce



Markdown with RDFa on the side will suit quite nicely, thanks to pandoc. The
desire for semantical documents sounds like it will be resolved sooner or
later with Tagged PDF. Until then the semantics can reside outside the PDF
in my case. I consider it only a need inasmuch as I am an archivist by
archetype, and so the idea of the best looking documents (the PDFs) being
also the most monolithic just goes against my natural grain. For now it is
not an urgency, but I do thank you all for the advice and comments!

The markdown solution is doubly good because now I see a way to incorporate
conTeXt in a web project that centers on language The better rendered the
text, the better the project. Ah, the universal adoption of TeX in
everything I do may not be far off ;)

Regards,

John C. Haltiwanger
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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.netwrote:

 Am 2009-05-24 um 19:17 schrieb John Haltiwanger:

  1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally
 understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment
 formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his
 perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents
 and had less application beyond that domain.)


 Normally you use environment files for coherent projects (magazines, books)
 or sets of similar documents (letters, presentations).

 The difference in usage between a LaTeX document class and a ConTeXt
 environment is neglectable IMO. The real difference is that most LaTeX users
 just *use* some document class unchanged, because LaTeX doesn't encourage
 defining your own, while there are nearly no ready-to-use ConTeXt
 environments available and most ConTeXt users want write their own anyway.

 For one-off documents I put everything in one file (and perhaps copy setup
 bits from other one-off files or environments).

 If *I* require a special layout for a single document, I normally use
 InDesign. The effort of programming a setup or an environment pays off
 only if you use it more often IMO.



These paragraphs seems to contradict. ConTeXt is useful if you use an
environment more than once, but there are no ready-to-use ConTeXt
environments.

I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments
are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change things,
unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available. I
am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or a
nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX.


 2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will
 find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not
 translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt
 might have.


XML is no target format for any TeX implementation.
 XML is a source format, and a good one if you want to process (typeset) it
 with ConTeXt (and perhaps make HTML from the same source).

 What do you mean with RDF? This one?: http://www.w3.org/RDF/
 Or did you mean RTF?


Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX can
generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a semantical
document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the
capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator?

While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a
concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because
it wants to archive all of its articles in XML.

Regards,
John C. Haltiwanger
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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger

  I am not averse to rolling my own, I am just confused why, if environments
 are so powerful and flexible (flexible meaning one can easily change
 things,
 unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available.
 I
 am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or
 a
 nice letter environment to demonstrate the beauty of TeX.


 sure, but all organizations want it slightly different


Okay, but that does imply that an organization can set up an environment and
expect its members to use it.



 Yes, I meant RDF. XML is a very important format. I find it odd that TeX
 can
 generate PDF but cannot output simple XML. So in order to have a
 semantical
 document I must write it in XML and then process it with ConTeXt? Is the
 capacity there (through LuaTeX perhaps) to write an XML generator?


 sure, but how useful is it to have a representation of (e.g.) a node list
 that makes up a paragraph in xml format? no app can do something with it


I'm not sure what you mean by a representation of a node list for a
paragraph (I am new to TeX, remember), but I am thinking more along the
lines of extracting Title, Author, and the content. Typesetting is not the
goal, as XML is for computers not people.


 maybe at some point the adobe and microsoft xml output formats become an
 option (which then involves resources like fonts and graphics as well so
  it's pretty bulky and one might wonder what gain there is)


The gain of XML is participation in the semantic web and concordance with
many new data keeping rules in governments and organizations.

 While I would expect the reasons for wanting XML output would be obvious, a
 concrete example is that at least one journal is deprecating LaTeX because
 it wants to archive all of its articles in XML.


in which case it keeps the input in xml and converts to other formats (coule
 be tex in the case of rendering print)


 The input is actually a specific version of Word. This is converted to XML.
In the case of LaTeX, the LaTeX is converted to Word and then to XML.
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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Arthur Reutenauer 
arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote:

 Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be
  feasible,

   Note that the final estimate for the stable release of LuaTeX is 2012,
 but the backend features may be available sooner.  Many people are looking
 forward to using LuaTeX for producing XML-based and other formats :-)
 See http://luatex.org/roadmap.html for the roadmap.


Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging facilities
for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe engineer
in the comments of this blog entry
http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html

Hopefully there can be found a way to incorporate these facilities in
ConTeXt and/or LuaTeX when they emerge.
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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
Yes, that is the comment. Thank you for the heads up :)

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Arthur Reutenauer 
arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote:

  Nice, glad to hear it. Also of interest are new semantic tagging
 facilities
  for PDF in the newest proposal for ISO 32000, mentioned by an Adobe
 engineer
  in the comments of this blog entry
  http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html

   If you mean Leonard Rosenthol's comment at

 http://digitalcuration.blogspot.com/2009/04/semantically-richer-pdf.html?showComment=123911280#c5624378574116031944
 the general issue is Tagged PDF.  It's not really supported yet in any
 variant of TeX, but there is an active group working on it at River Valley
 Technologies (http://lists.river-valley.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tex).
 I haven't been following closely, but there's definitely progress.

Arthur

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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
Thank you Aditya. All that makes sense to me. It is quite clear from
everyone's responses that the person on c.t.t who claimed ConTeXt is only
for one-offs was not correct.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Mon, 25 May 2009, John Haltiwanger wrote:

  unlike document classes), there are no pre-rolled environments available.
 I
 am thinking here of standardized thesis environments for universities, or
 a


 There are no standardized thesis styles for universities mainly because
 there are no consistent specs. Most univs want you to use times, double
 spaced lines, wide margins, and some formatting guidelines regarding the
 chapter headings, table of content, page headers and footers. Setting these
 are easy in ConTeXt (and also LaTeX if you know the relevant packages).
 Universities do not provide an official thesis style (either in LaTeX or
 ConTeXt) because in most cases they do not have the resources to maintain
 them. Students figure something out, and then pass along their styles to the
 next generation. If the formatting guidelines change, the burden is on the
 students to correct the style, rather than on the university.

 When I was writing my thesis, it took me about a few hours to understand
 the formatting guidelines, which were a jigjaw puzzle. Statements like:
 Always use Times New Roman at 12pt as the main font. ... two pages down ...
 The abstract can be in 10pt or 12pt ... a few pages later, use any of the
 standard fonts. It also used vague terminology. Statements like leave two
 blank lines after the title (blank lines, er... for what fontsize, the
 bodyfont or the title font?).

 ConTeXt makes it really easy to make the formatting changes. Once I
 understood the formatting guidelines, writing the main style was very easy
 (with a few trips to the manual, and a few questions here on the mailing
 list). Making sure that the resultant style looked visually appealing while
 not violating the formatting guidelines too a lot of experimentation.

 As Hans said, you can think of ConTeXt as the standard thesis style.
 Setup a few commands, and you meet your formatting requirements. Write it in
 an environment or a module, and you can reuse it.

 Aditya


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Re: [NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-25 Thread John Haltiwanger
Wow, that is handy! Thanks for the tip Modamed.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mohamed Bana mbana.li...@googlemail.comwrote:

 i tend to write in Markdown, as the syntax is very light weight, then
 compile with pandoc (http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/).

 $ pandoc --toc --smart --number-sections --standalone -H header.tex -w
 context file.pdc -o file.tex
 $ texexec file.tex

 i think Aditya has some documents floating around somewhere.

 John Haltiwanger wrote:

 Thank you Arthur, Mohamed, and Hans for pointing me towards the available
 modules.

 As far as working towards semantical documents in TeX, I'll just have to
 settle for writing external RDF descriptors for the documents. I'll take a
 look at using XML as the source and feeding it into ConTeXt, but since I
 rather like conTeXt's markup over XML, I'm not sure how likely I will be to
 go that route. Since Arthur implies that an XML output might one day be
 feasible,

 Thanks everyone for being so helpful, speaks volumes about the community
 you have here.

 Regards,
 John C. Haltiwanger


 


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[NTG-context] Seeking a Deeper ConTeXt: Questions for Initializing

2009-05-24 Thread John Haltiwanger
Hello,

My name is John and I'm a nearly brand new TeX convert. All it took was one
letter I wanted to look nice and now I know I will never craft an important
document in another format again.

Now, an obvious entry point is LaTeX, and indeed my first TeX document used
this macro package. However, I couldn't help but stumble across the ConTeXt
project in my investigation of the TeX landscape. The seemingly distinct
separation of style from content, evidenced by the print versus the screen
versions of some of the manuals, instantly endeared me.

Within the same week, I found the comp.text.tex newsgroup. Lo and behold
there was a quite active thread on LuaTeX, which I had just finished reading
a presentation and a couple papers on the night before. On of the issues
being discussed was the lack of a LaTeX document class for thesis. This
also involved discussion of LaTeX's shortcomings.


I wrote into the thread that based on my (albeit completely theoretical)
understanding, ConTeXt would be a wiser choice as a macro for any new
department to begin requiring TeX documents. This was based on my vague
understanding of the separation of environment from the content, as it were,
and also on the multiple outputs available for the manuals. Since I see
screen formatting as equally important, if not more, than paper formatting,
it only made sense to me that the equivalent of a unversity specific
documentclass in LaTeX would be a simple environment file in ConTeXt.


This leads me to some questions I have about how great a fit for me ConTeXt
actually is.


1) Can environment files be used across documents, or is it generally
understood that every ConTeXt document requires its own environment
formatting? (The latter is the view of someone on c.t.t, who said his
perception of ConTeXt was that it was for typesetting individual documents
and had less application beyond that domain.)


2) What is the state of XML output for ConTeXt files? I have to say I will
find it hard to justify using TeX for documents if it means they are not
translatable to XML easily. I'm also interested in any RDF support ConTeXt
might have.


I am just beginning my journey into TeX, and wish to learn the best macro
package available. To me it seems like this is ConTeXt hands down, however
the two questions above will indeed determine ConTeXt's actual utility in my
case.


Regards,

John C. Haltiwanger


P.S. For my first question, it seems easy to assume that if you can process
XML files into standardized ConTeXt documents, the same would go for
processing ConTeXt into standardized ConTeXt documents. But the question is
too large not to ask.
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