Re: [NTG-context] math \prime with subscripts

[Yuri Teixeira]

Thank you. I gave up on using prime, it's not a good notation anyway. For
the record I'll leave here the tests I did.
I wanted alternatives 6, 7, 11, 12 but could not do it in context.
Alternatives 15, 21 are almost there, but the prime is clearly smaller than
the ones in 13, 19, and too small imo.

plain tex:

$$1T\prime + 2T^\prime + 3T\prime_{rs} + 4T_{rs}\prime +
5T^{{}^\prime}_{rs} + 6T_{rs}^\prime + 7T^\prime_{rs}$$

$$8T' + 9T^{'} + 10T^{'}_{rs} + 11T'_{rs} + 12T_{rs}' $$


context:

\starttext
\startformula
13T\prime + 14T^\prime + 15T\prime_{rs} + 16T^\prime_{rs} + 17T_{rs}\prime
+ 18T_{rs}^\prime
\stopformula

\startformula
19T' + 20T^' + 21T'_{rs} + 22T^'_{rs} + 23T_{rs}' + 24T_{rs}^'
\stopformula
\stoptext

YT



2014-09-22 17:48 GMT-03:00 Aditya Mahajan :

> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014, Yuri Teixeira wrote:
>
>  Hi
>> is there a way for \prime not get smaller when used with sub/superscripts?
>> Or realigned somehow? Without font changes would be nice.
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startformula
>> \frac13T\prime_{rs}T\prime_{st}T\prime_{tr}
>> \stopformula
>>
>> \startformula
>> \frac13T_{rs}\prime T_{st}\prime T_{tr}\prime
>> \stopformula
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>
> I always thought that one was supposed to use either
>
>T' or T^{\prime}
>
> So, if you want a bigger prime symbol, that is really a font design issue.
>
> Having said that, I believe that it should be possible to control the
> scaling of the prime using a font goodies file, but I do not know the
> details.
>
> Aditya
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[NTG-context] math \prime with subscripts

[Yuri Teixeira]

Hi
is there a way for \prime not get smaller when used with sub/superscripts?
Or realigned somehow? Without font changes would be nice.

\starttext

\startformula
\frac13T\prime_{rs}T\prime_{st}T\prime_{tr}
\stopformula

\startformula
\frac13T_{rs}\prime T_{st}\prime T_{tr}\prime
\stopformula

\stoptext

Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] setuphead interlinespace

[Yuri Teixeira]

Thank you, this is really what I wanted. I found the source of my confusion
too: \setupinterlinespace is local inside \start-stopnarrower

\setupinterlinespace[5] % this has no effect before \starttext

\starttext
\input tufte % this is default small, not 5
\setupinterlinespace[big]
\input tufte % this is big

\startnarrower[left]
\setupinterlinespace[small]
\input tufte % this is small
\stopnarrower

\input tufte % this is big again
\stoptext


2014-07-27 5:51 GMT-03:00 Otared Kavian :

> Hi,
>
> Have a look at the following wiki page:
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/setuplocalinterlinespace
>
> It may help you achieve what you want to do.
>
> Best regards: OK
>
> On 27 Jul 2014, at 04:06, Yuri Teixeira  wrote:
>
> Hello, From command/setuphead
> <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead> I inferred this should
> work to set linespace to 1.5 within the chapter/section but it doesn't.
> Should it? I read on \setupinterlinespace and it's resetting mechanic but
> thought the parameter in setuphead would work. Also, I checked and this
> parameter is not mentioned in the manual, so maybe it does not exist.
>
> \setuphead[chapter][interlinespace=big]
>
> \starttext
> \chapter{Some title}
> Lines with 1.5 space? \input tufte
>
> \startchapter[title={Some title}]
> Try again? \input tufte
> \stopchapter
>
> \startchapter[title={Some title}]
> \setupinterlinespace[big]
> Now it works. \input tufte
> \stopchapter
>
> \startchapter[title={Some title}]
> But it "leaks" out of the previous start-stopchapter. \input tufte
> \stopchapter
> \stoptext
>
> Thank you for your attention,
> YT
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[NTG-context] setuphead interlinespace

[Yuri Teixeira]

Hello, From command/setuphead
 I inferred this should
work to set linespace to 1.5 within the chapter/section but it doesn't.
Should it? I read on \setupinterlinespace and it's resetting mechanic but
thought the parameter in setuphead would work. Also, I checked and this
parameter is not mentioned in the manual, so maybe it does not exist.

\setuphead[chapter][interlinespace=big]

\starttext
\chapter{Some title}
Lines with 1.5 space? \input tufte

\startchapter[title={Some title}]
Try again? \input tufte
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Some title}]
\setupinterlinespace[big]
Now it works. \input tufte
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Some title}]
But it "leaks" out of the previous start-stopchapter. \input tufte
\stopchapter
\stoptext

Thank you for your attention,
YT
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Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?

[Yuri Teixeira]

As I wrote in another thread, the state of the docs worries me too. I take
it that the suggestion to study the source was not serious, and perhaps it
is indeed a matter of priorities. As a new user I have a strong opinion
that the documentation should be a higher priority than it seems to be. All
the arguments about how many person-hours it would take and the huge task
it is, in my eyes, only furthers the point that it is not considered as
important as doing "real development". I consider the docs a core part of
the project, and the code another part, hence the disagreement in regards
to the priorities. Pro-bono or not is not an issue, since time is spent on
the project in some form. Writing features that few people know about and
are able to use is only half of the dev work.

But I get it that documenting is a pain, and seemingly frivolous work. The
separate manuals may have been good, but they look fragmented and there is
no unified docs to go to when in doubt. And having one place to go is even
easier to maintain than many. The wiki is a nice idea, but it needs much
more rigour to function as real docs.

Some suggestions. I'm assuming some form of wiki-like website that can be
the contextgarden or (preferably) another official docs/wiki/wiki-like site.
All the content of the manuals should be unified in this site.
If a crowdsourcing/users-can-do-it approach is taken, a clear structure
needs to be previously laid out, so that we know what blanks to fill. And
even with collaboration/feedback, core people should do it.
It is important that reviewing and check marking the new edits be done by
some authoritative group, so that the community knows what to trust, what
should work as documented so that we can report real issues.
It is important to label the information as reviwed and up to date, and to
which version it applies, mkii/mkiv
If this structure is put on top of the context garden, some labeling is
needed to distinguish the extra pages from the structural docs pages.

There are many good examples out there of good docs structure and
presentation. I'm willing to collaborate what I can with my limited
knowledge and time, even if little while writing my master's thesis.

Sorry to annoy with this again,

YT



2014-07-15 11:55 GMT-03:00 luigi scarso :

>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Gerben Wierda 
> wrote:
>
>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Hans Hagen  wrote:
>>
>> quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables,
>> xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain
>> than one big fat manual
>>
>> also, additional documentation is something that users need to
>> participate in (just pick a topic)
>>
>> even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have
>> much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most
>> development is done in spare time)
>>
>> so, patience is needed,
>>
>>
>> I like ConTeXt (still do, I liked its approach when I first encountered
>> it). But the project is more the ongoing private tinkering of a small
>> in-crowd (that communicates with some followers).
>>
>> ConTeXt is managed a bit like a small group of researchers sharing a
>> couple of complex and undocumented models/programs and tinkering with them
>> as they go along. It’s an activity without formal design, but with a lot of
>> trial-and-error/testing.
>>
>> Given that status (and the fact that it has had that status for over a
>> *decennium*), I don’t expect it to ever become a serious product that is
>> (semi-)professionally managed. I prefer content over management every day,
>> but something like this needs some minimal management. That requires both
>> time (=money) and capabilities. Besides, the tinkering researchers may not
>> be inclined to do that, they want to tinker.
>>
>> BTW, you can’t be serious asking the *users* to provide the
>> documentation, can you?
>>
>>
> These are still good
>
> Fonts in ConTeXt
> Layouts in ConTeXt
> MetaFun manual
> MKII - MKIV, the history of LuaTeX
>
> http://www.h2o-books.com/catalog/5
>
> --
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Re: [NTG-context] documentation

[Yuri Teixeira]

Thank you for the response. I'll keep this description in mind when looking
up stuff and contribute what I can in the wiki (which is still down for me).

YT


2014-07-08 4:57 GMT-03:00 Hans Hagen :

> On 7/7/2014 8:51 PM, Yuri Teixeira wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I'm sorry this probably is a dumb question but I'm really lost in my
>> searches. I'm new to context/tex and have been learning/finding
>> information in the wiki at the contextgarden.net
>> <http://contextgarden.net> for the past couple of weeks. Some of
>>
>> information there don't seem up to date but nothing unusual in an
>> unofficial wiki. For some reason (isp/dns/something) the
>> contextgarden.net <http://contextgarden.net> has been unavailiable to me
>>
>> since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some
>> show it down (http://www..isitdownrightnow.com
>>
>> <http://www.isitdownrightnow.com> been one of the later). That got me
>> wondering if there are easy official docs. I've seen the pdfs at
>> pragma-ade.com <http://pragma-ade.com> but the most general ones I tried
>>
>> are from 1999 (ms-cb-en.pdf) and 2001 (cont-eni.pdf). Are these up to
>> date with the current developments? I belive they are compatible but
>> having seen examples of changes in the wiki I a little unsure.
>> Furthermore, the parameter behavior description in the command reference
>> seem a bit... dry. So here's my plea for a little bit more love for the
>> documentation.
>> In any way, thank you very much for an awesome language, I'm glad I
>> researched thoroughly before jumping into latex.
>>
>
> When mechanisms in context are extended, we try to remain downward
> compatible, at least in functionality. Therefore the old manuals are
> normally okay (no need to fake updates with newer dates.) There are however
> a few core mechanisms that are obsolete and/or changed and those are input
> encodings (now always utf) and fonts (now always unicode - or mapped to
> unicode - using features cf open type and more).
>
> In practice input encodings and fonts have always been complex: what input
> encoding to choose and what font encoding to use, then running into
> availability of fonts, differences per language, differences per user. A
> bit of installation nightmare and user support as soon as it became less
> standard. By the time that had become easier (tex gyre and lm project) the
> move to opentype was made so most of the documentation had become somewhat
> obsolete.
>
> So, when using old manuals, keep in mind that encodings, regimes and fonts
> are less hassle now and no special commands are needed to use and combine
> these properties.
>
> In addition some mechanisms were extended and improved in mkiv (sectioning
> and so) which means that there are additional ways to configure them.
>
> That leaves mechanisms that are completely redone. One example is
> bibliographies, but users who need them will have no real problems adapting
> and these come with new manuals.
>
> Stick to mkiv. It's the one where the action takes place.
>
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[NTG-context] documentation

[Yuri Teixeira]

Hello,
I'm sorry this probably is a dumb question but I'm really lost in my
searches. I'm new to context/tex and have been learning/finding information
in the wiki at the contextgarden.net for the past couple of weeks. Some of
information there don't seem up to date but nothing unusual in an
unofficial wiki. For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net
has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification
sites show it up and some show it down (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com
been one of the later). That got me wondering if there are easy official
docs. I've seen the pdfs at pragma-ade.com but the most general ones I
tried are from 1999 (ms-cb-en.pdf) and 2001 (cont-eni.pdf). Are these up to
date with the current developments? I belive they are compatible but having
seen examples of changes in the wiki I a little unsure. Furthermore, the
parameter behavior description in the command reference seem a bit... dry.
So here's my plea for a little bit more love for the documentation.
In any way, thank you very much for an awesome language, I'm glad I
researched thoroughly before jumping into latex.
YT
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Re: [NTG-context] Mixed subscripts and superscripts

[Yuri Teixeira]

Thank you very much!
T^i{}_j{}^k{}_l{}^m{}_n{} works fine as can be.

YT


2014-07-01 12:02 GMT-03:00 Wolfgang Schuster :

>
> Am 01.07.2014 um 16:57 schrieb Yuri Teixeira :
>
> Sorry hit send too soon
>
> I'm trying to do this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_tensor
> doing this \m{T_{\alpha}^{\beta}_{\gamma}} and this
> \m{T^{\alpha}_{\beta}^{\gamma}}
> but I get errors for double subscript and double superscript respectively.
> Then I'm doing this as a workaround T_{\alpha~\gamma}^{~\beta~}
> But the ~ has the fixed width of a digit, or so I read, and I get a less
> optimal spacing in this case \m{T^{i~k~m}_{~j~l~n}} in which the 'm'
> appears to be after the 'n'.
> I'm using version 2014-05-21_22:04 on debian testing so excuse me if this
> has been changed.
>
>
> \starttext
>
> \startformula
> T_\alpha {}^\beta {}_\gamma
> \stopformula
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Mixed subscripts and superscripts

[Yuri Teixeira]

Sorry hit send too soon

I'm trying to do this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_tensor
doing this \m{T_{\alpha}^{\beta}_{\gamma}} and this
\m{T^{\alpha}_{\beta}^{\gamma}}
but I get errors for double subscript and double superscript respectively.
Then I'm doing this as a workaround T_{\alpha~\gamma}^{~\beta~}
But the ~ has the fixed width of a digit, or so I read, and I get a less
optimal spacing in this case \m{T^{i~k~m}_{~j~l~n}} in which the 'm'
appears to be after the 'n'.
I'm using version 2014-05-21_22:04 on debian testing so excuse me if this
has been changed.
Thanks
YT


2014-07-01 11:56 GMT-03:00 Yuri Teixeira :

> I'm trying to do this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_tensor
> doing this \m{T_{\alpha}^{\beta}_{\gamma}} and this
> \m{T^{\alpha}_{\beta}^{\gamma}}
> but I get errors for double subscript and double superscript respectively.
> Then I'm doing this as a workaround T_{\alpha~\gamma}^{~\beta~}
> But the ~ has the fixed width of a digit, or so I read, and I get a less
> optimal spacing in this case \m{T^{i~k~m}_{~j~l~n}} in which the 'm'
> appears to be after the
>
>
> 2014-05-21_22:04 on debian testing
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[NTG-context] Mixed subscripts and superscripts

[Yuri Teixeira]

I'm trying to do this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_tensor
doing this \m{T_{\alpha}^{\beta}_{\gamma}} and this
\m{T^{\alpha}_{\beta}^{\gamma}}
but I get errors for double subscript and double superscript respectively.
Then I'm doing this as a workaround T_{\alpha~\gamma}^{~\beta~}
But the ~ has the fixed width of a digit, or so I read, and I get a less
optimal spacing in this case \m{T^{i~k~m}_{~j~l~n}} in which the 'm'
appears to be after the


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