Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-13 Thread Alan Braslau 
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 23:13:08 -0400
Rik Kabel  wrote:

> So organization will simply become a stand-in for author but with 
> different parsing rules. A book will require an author or editor or 
> organization. The first two will be parsed for surname, given name,
> and so on, while the last will not, and precedence rules will apply
> when more than one is present, as they do already.

I invite you to read the APA specifications.

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-13 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 8/13/2017 5:13 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2017-08-12 22:38, Alan Braslau wrote:

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:58:53 -0400
Rik Kabel  wrote:


The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in
ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types as
well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the
electronic type or some other limited subset of types?

This will be corrected for types other than electronic when I look into
a consistent set.


Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and
protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple,
Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do
the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted
abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given
names.

This won't happen. We made a design choice not to follow such sloppy
bibtex/LaTeX use and to require clean datasets. Apple Inc. is NOT a
named author, it is an organization, and the APA specification is clear
about this (it even has screwy rules about the first citation and then
the following when one should abbreviate names [such as APA]). Of
course, the specifications have to be fixed to handle this correctly
and consistently, also trying to be consistent with the fields that are
defined by the original bibtex documentation and followed by many
bibtex manipulating tools (such as jabref). The problem is that the use
of bibtex in the real world is a big mess!

ALan


So organization will simply become a stand-in for author but with 
different parsing rules. A book will require an author or editor or 
organization. The first two will be parsed for surname, given name, and 
so on, while the last will not, and precedence rules will apply when 
more than one is present, as they do already.


But until that point, as Hans said, using the author field and 
protecting it with curlies will work.


How will other screwy rules be handled? Will there be an override 
mechanism, or is it your belief that a compliant subsystem can be 
developed? (Yes, I know that is a false dichotomy.)

there is actually a concept of field sets and a lookup order

concerning authors, there are many issues there: upto 6 snippets and the 
number determines what is expected (mostly inherited from the mess but 
we added some in order to deal with complex combinations of names)


also, keep in mind that there's more than english names

all revealed in the manual (and we wil make some demos)

as one can export one can also easily generate one's one variant of the 
database for whatever purpose


(another nightmare is embedded tex: absolutely not standardized and a 
pain when trying to collapse and sort)


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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-12 Thread Rik Kabel 

On 2017-08-12 22:38, Alan Braslau wrote:

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:58:53 -0400
Rik Kabel  wrote:


The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in
ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types as
well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the
electronic type or some other limited subset of types?

This will be corrected for types other than electronic when I look into
a consistent set.


Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and
protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple,
Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do
the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted
abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given
names.

This won't happen. We made a design choice not to follow such sloppy
bibtex/LaTeX use and to require clean datasets. Apple Inc. is NOT a
named author, it is an organization, and the APA specification is clear
about this (it even has screwy rules about the first citation and then
the following when one should abbreviate names [such as APA]). Of
course, the specifications have to be fixed to handle this correctly
and consistently, also trying to be consistent with the fields that are
defined by the original bibtex documentation and followed by many
bibtex manipulating tools (such as jabref). The problem is that the use
of bibtex in the real world is a big mess!

ALan


So organization will simply become a stand-in for author but with 
different parsing rules. A book will require an author or editor or 
organization. The first two will be parsed for surname, given name, and 
so on, while the last will not, and precedence rules will apply when 
more than one is present, as they do already.


But until that point, as Hans said, using the author field and 
protecting it with curlies will work.


How will other screwy rules be handled? Will there be an override 
mechanism, or is it your belief that a compliant subsystem can be 
developed? (Yes, I know that is a false dichotomy.)


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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-12 Thread Alan Braslau 
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:58:53 -0400
Rik Kabel  wrote:

> The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in 
> ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types as 
> well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the
> electronic type or some other limited subset of types?

This will be corrected for types other than electronic when I look into
a consistent set.

> Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and 
> protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple, 
> Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do 
> the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted 
> abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given
> names.

This won't happen. We made a design choice not to follow such sloppy
bibtex/LaTeX use and to require clean datasets. Apple Inc. is NOT a
named author, it is an organization, and the APA specification is clear
about this (it even has screwy rules about the first citation and then
the following when one should abbreviate names [such as APA]). Of
course, the specifications have to be fixed to handle this correctly
and consistently, also trying to be consistent with the fields that are
defined by the original bibtex documentation and followed by many
bibtex manipulating tools (such as jabref). The problem is that the use
of bibtex in the real world is a big mess!

ALan
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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-12 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 8/12/2017 5:48 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

Sorry, rereading what I wrote, I see that I mistakenly suggested that 
the btx subsystem does not support origdate. It does, but it is a 
non-standard extension of bibtex, which was my point.


actually ther eis no bib tex standard at all ... it's just a set of 
fields organized by a unique identifier .. then some style make sure 
that the fields get rendered (and apa is a set of rules for fields + 
rendering ... a pretty complex and occasionally fuzzy one but Alan can 
elaborate on that)


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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-12 Thread Rik Kabel 

On 2017-08-12 11:28, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2017-08-12 04:54, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 8/11/2017 8:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2017-08-11 10:01, Alan Braslau wrote:

...


2) Apple Inc. is not a name so you should not be using author:
organization is more appropriate.


I do not think that this should be the case.

APA and Chicago/Turbanian (and doubtless others) accept association 
names as author names, and provide rules for handling them.


and as a consequence i bet this is why journals get typeset partly by 
hand (tweak and cheat on these things) ... and why each publisher 
then has its own style (with cheats and tricks)


The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in 
ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types 
as well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the 
electronic type or some other limited subset of types?


Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and 
protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple, 
Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do 


one can do that of course (an dit will work) but then someone will 
come along and say that ...


our recomendation is that one spends some time on a proper database 
as it pays off


the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted 
abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given names.
we really try to get away from fuzzyness ... in fact, the bib format 
or at least the way it's often used is a structural coding nightmare 
(and often tex commands are then used to bypass things) .. i think 
that it never went through a proper 'design, test, review, revise' cycle


reverse engineering what is there + side effects took us quite a 
while and esp the author bit is a pain (this parsing) ... there have 
been proposals for alternatives in the past decades (take mlbibtex) 
but so far we're stuck with historic stuff: making a database in a 
format that is not that suitable (no nesting) using practices that 
are counter intuitive and demand lots of obscure magic


(one day Alan will wrap this up in an article)

Hans


Alan has stated elsewhere that his intent is to provide first an 
APA-compliant subsystem, and to add after that support for other 
regimes. He has also expressed an understandable reluctance to add 
non-standard fields to bibtex. But it is clearly impossible to provide 
an APA-compliant system under such a constraint—for example, for some 
works APA requires an original publication date and bibtex does not 
support that. It is similarly difficult to see how one can comply with 
other requirements of APA, such as square brackets around estimated 
dates for archival sources (how do you identify an estimated date?), 
constructing shortened titles that are then alphabetized by the first 
non-significant word, spelling out author names where two or more 
authors share the same abbreviated names, and so on. Biblatex attempts 
to address some of these issues with an explosion of new fields, and 
still, I think, does not succeed. CSL may do a better job on some of 
these, but again, I do not think that the type of organic standards 
set forth by APA and others are fully amenable to any automated 
parsing. This is why I suggested to Alan (off-line) that we need a 
mechanism to override the generated citation and 
bibliography/reference list entries with customized versions (\citeas, 
or additional fields for \cite).


Clearly bibtex is not compatible with the requirements of current 
documentation standards. Those who require compliant citation to 
whatever standard with which they are burdened need a better database, 
support for conversion from bibtex, and a mechanism to override 
whatever automated result is produced. Of these, the last is most 
crucial.


As to the specific issue of association names as author names: Why is 
widening the definition of the author name field using an 
already-supported protection mechanism worse than overloading the use 
of the organization field, which is intended denote an affiliation and 
is not currently supported in the major entry categories?


Sorry, rereading what I wrote, I see that I mistakenly suggested that 
the btx subsystem does not support origdate. It does, but it is a 
non-standard extension of bibtex, which was my point.


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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-12 Thread Rik Kabel 

On 2017-08-12 04:54, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 8/11/2017 8:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2017-08-11 10:01, Alan Braslau wrote:

...


2) Apple Inc. is not a name so you should not be using author:
organization is more appropriate.


I do not think that this should be the case.

APA and Chicago/Turbanian (and doubtless others) accept association 
names as author names, and provide rules for handling them.


and as a consequence i bet this is why journals get typeset partly by 
hand (tweak and cheat on these things) ... and why each publisher then 
has its own style (with cheats and tricks)


The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in 
ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types as 
well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the 
electronic type or some other limited subset of types?


Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and 
protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple, 
Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do 


one can do that of course (an dit will work) but then someone will 
come along and say that ...


our recomendation is that one spends some time on a proper database as 
it pays off


the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted 
abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given names.
we really try to get away from fuzzyness ... in fact, the bib format 
or at least the way it's often used is a structural coding nightmare 
(and often tex commands are then used to bypass things) .. i think 
that it never went through a proper 'design, test, review, revise' cycle


reverse engineering what is there + side effects took us quite a while 
and esp the author bit is a pain (this parsing) ... there have been 
proposals for alternatives in the past decades (take mlbibtex) but so 
far we're stuck with historic stuff: making a database in a format 
that is not that suitable (no nesting) using practices that are 
counter intuitive and demand lots of obscure magic


(one day Alan will wrap this up in an article)

Hans


Alan has stated elsewhere that his intent is to provide first an 
APA-compliant subsystem, and to add after that support for other 
regimes. He has also expressed an understandable reluctance to add 
non-standard fields to bibtex. But it is clearly impossible to provide 
an APA-compliant system under such a constraint—for example, for some 
works APA requires an original publication date and bibtex does not 
support that. It is similarly difficult to see how one can comply with 
other requirements of APA, such as square brackets around estimated 
dates for archival sources (how do you identify an estimated date?), 
constructing shortened titles that are then alphabetized by the first 
non-significant word, spelling out author names where two or more 
authors share the same abbreviated names, and so on. Biblatex attempts 
to address some of these issues with an explosion of new fields, and 
still, I think, does not succeed. CSL may do a better job on some of 
these, but again, I do not think that the type of organic standards set 
forth by APA and others are fully amenable to any automated parsing. 
This is why I suggested to Alan (off-line) that we need a mechanism to 
override the generated citation and bibliography/reference list entries 
with customized versions (\citeas, or additional fields for \cite).


Clearly bibtex is not compatible with the requirements of current 
documentation standards. Those who require compliant citation to 
whatever standard with which they are burdened need a better database, 
support for conversion from bibtex, and a mechanism to override whatever 
automated result is produced. Of these, the last is most crucial.


As to the specific issue of association names as author names: Why is 
widening the definition of the author name field using an 
already-supported protection mechanism worse than overloading the use of 
the organization field, which is intended denote an affiliation and is 
not currently supported in the major entry categories?


--
Rik

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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-12 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 8/11/2017 8:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2017-08-11 10:01, Alan Braslau wrote:

...


2) Apple Inc. is not a name so you should not be using author:
organization is more appropriate.


I do not think that this should be the case.

APA and Chicago/Turbanian (and doubtless others) accept association 
names as author names, and provide rules for handling them.


and as a consequence i bet this is why journals get typeset partly by 
hand (tweak and cheat on these things) ... and why each publisher then 
has its own style (with cheats and tricks)


The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in 
ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types as 
well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the electronic 
type or some other limited subset of types?


Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and 
protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple, 
Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do 


one can do that of course (an dit will work) but then someone will come 
along and say that ...


our recomendation is that one spends some time on a proper database as 
it pays off


the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted 
abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given names.
we really try to get away from fuzzyness ... in fact, the bib format or 
at least the way it's often used is a structural coding nightmare (and 
often tex commands are then used to bypass things) .. i think that it 
never went through a proper 'design, test, review, revise' cycle


reverse engineering what is there + side effects took us quite a while 
and esp the author bit is a pain (this parsing) ... there have been 
proposals for alternatives in the past decades (take mlbibtex) but so 
far we're stuck with historic stuff: making a database in a format that 
is not that suitable (no nesting) using practices that are counter 
intuitive and demand lots of obscure magic


(one day Alan will wrap this up in an article)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-11 Thread Rik Kabel 

On 2017-08-11 10:01, Alan Braslau wrote:

...


2) Apple Inc. is not a name so you should not be using author:
organization is more appropriate.


I do not think that this should be the case.

APA and Chicago/Turbanian (and doubtless others) accept association 
names as author names, and provide rules for handling them.


The lack of either an author or an editor is currently flagged in 
ConTeXt as an error for books and perhaps other bibtex entry types as 
well. Or do you mean to apply this recommendation to only the electronic 
type or some other limited subset of types?


Perhaps it is better to use the association name as an author and 
protect it with a layer of curlies or quotation marks, as {{Apple, 
Inc.}}, "{Apple, Inc.}", or '{Apple, Inc.}', any one of which will do 
the job and also serve to prevent what would surely be unwanted 
abbreviation for styles that abbreviate what are parsed as given names.


--
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[NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-11 Thread Alan Braslau 
Hello,

You find a need to modify the rendering of the bibliography as you are
misusing the bibtex data entry.

Here is your example, corrected:

1) @electronic is more appropriate than @misc;
2) Apple Inc. is not a name so you should not be using author:
organization is more appropriate.

Note that the only difference, in fact, between @electronic and @misc
is this optional field, organization. We get this from the bibtex
references and from the standard definitions in bibtex tools such as
jabref.

Your example did point out a correction that should now be in the APS
specification definitions in the latest version that can be found on
the Garden. Previously, a url (or doi) got included as a hyperlink
tag to the text "howpublished" field. The logic has been modified to
show the url (or doi) explicitly if present, in the absence of the
howpublished field.

Alan



\startbuffer [input]

@electronic{objective-c,
 organization = "Apple Inc.",
 note = "Online; accessed at 31-July-2017",
 title = "About Objective-C",
 url = 
"https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/Introduction/Introduction.html;,
 year = "2014"
}
\stopbuffer

\usebtxdataset[default][input.buffer]
\usebtxdefinitions[aps]

\setupinteraction [state=start]

\starttext
According to Apple Inc., Objective-C is the main programming language, 
when writing software for MacOS~\cite[objective-c].

\placelistofpublications

\showbtxdatasetcompleteness
\stoptext



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Subject: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 04:23:16 +0200
From: Gerion Entrup <gerion.entrup-c...@flump.de>
Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

> Hi,
> 
> I need your help again. I've a bibliography and some entries
> references to websites. Unfortunately the URL is not always rendered
> and the name ist always parsed as name of a person, not from an
> organisation etc.
> 
> What I want to achieve is to use the standard aps style, but with
> additionally the following two rules:
> 1. The name is always rendered without abbrevations (I guess, this is 
> authorconversion=normal).
> 2. If an URL is given, it is always rendered.
> 
> My input is a bib-file. Here is a minimal example:
> 
> input.bib
> ```
> @misc{objective-c,
> author = "Apple Inc.",
> note = "Online; accessed at 31-July-2017",
> title = "About Objective-C",
> url =
> "https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/Introduction/Introduction.html;,
> year = "2014" }
> ```
> 
> test.tex
> ```
> \usebtxdataset[default][input.bib]
> \usebtxdefinitions[aps]
> \setupbtx[default:cite][alternative=num]
> \setupbtx[default:list][authorconversion=normal]
> 
> \starttext
> According to Apple Inc., Objective-C is the main programming
> language, when writing software for MacOS~\cite[objective-c].
> 
> \placelistofpublications
> \stoptext
> ```
> 
> I've tried to understand the manual, yout can see some of my attempts
> in the minimal example. But I don't get really far.
> 
> Can you give me a hint?
> 
> Gerion
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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-08-01 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 7/31/2017 9:28 PM, Gerion Entrup wrote:

Am Montag, 31. Juli 2017, 04:23:16 CEST schrieb Gerion Entrup:

Hi,

I need your help again. I've a bibliography and some entries references to
websites. Unfortunately the URL is not always rendered and the name ist always
parsed as name of a person, not from an organisation etc.

What I want to achieve is to use the standard aps style, but with additionally
the following two rules:
1. The name is always rendered without abbrevations (I guess, this is
authorconversion=normal).
2. If an URL is given, it is always rendered.

My input is a bib-file. Here is a minimal example:

input.bib
```
@misc{objective-c,
 author = "Apple Inc.",
 note = "Online; accessed at 31-July-2017",
 title = "About Objective-C",
 url = 
"https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/Introduction/Introduction.html;,
 year = "2014"
}
```

test.tex
```
\usebtxdataset[default][input.bib]
\usebtxdefinitions[aps]
\setupbtx[default:cite][alternative=num]
\setupbtx[default:list][authorconversion=normal]

\starttext
According to Apple Inc., Objective-C is the main programming language, when 
writing software for MacOS~\cite[objective-c].

\placelistofpublications
\stoptext
```

I've tried to understand the manual, yout can see some of my attempts in the
minimal example. But I don't get really far.

Can you give me a hint?


I have "fixed" this with directly modifying the publ-imp-aps.mkvi. I guess,
this is the worst way to achive this thing, but I don't know a better one.

Here is the patch, if someone is interested.

Gerion

--- publ-imp-aps.mkvi.original  2017-07-31 21:23:14.736856430 +0200
+++ publ-imp-aps.mkvi   2017-07-31 21:24:46.860462851 +0200
@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
  \definebtx
[aps:\s!list]
[aps]
-  [\c!authorconversion=normalshort]
+  [\c!authorconversion=normal]
  
  \definebtx

[aps:\s!list:author]
@@ -1117,6 +1117,12 @@
  
  \startsetups btx:aps:list:misc

  \fastsetup{btx:aps:list:electronic}
+\btxdoif {url} {
+\btxspace
+\btxleftparenthesis
+\goto{\hyphenatedurl{\btxflush{url}}}[url(\btxflush{url})]
+\btxrightparenthesis
+}
  % Note that organization is an "ignored" field.
  \stopsetups


just load the aps style and then in your own style put the overloads 
(you can then use \setupbtx)


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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-07-31 Thread Gerion Entrup 
Am Montag, 31. Juli 2017, 04:23:16 CEST schrieb Gerion Entrup:
> Hi,
> 
> I need your help again. I've a bibliography and some entries references to 
> websites. Unfortunately the URL is not always rendered and the name ist 
> always 
> parsed as name of a person, not from an organisation etc.
> 
> What I want to achieve is to use the standard aps style, but with 
> additionally 
> the following two rules:
> 1. The name is always rendered without abbrevations (I guess, this is 
> authorconversion=normal).
> 2. If an URL is given, it is always rendered.
> 
> My input is a bib-file. Here is a minimal example:
> 
> input.bib
> ```
> @misc{objective-c,
> author = "Apple Inc.",
> note = "Online; accessed at 31-July-2017",
> title = "About Objective-C",
> url = 
> "https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/Introduction/Introduction.html;,
> year = "2014"
> }
> ```
> 
> test.tex
> ```
> \usebtxdataset[default][input.bib]
> \usebtxdefinitions[aps]
> \setupbtx[default:cite][alternative=num]
> \setupbtx[default:list][authorconversion=normal]
> 
> \starttext
> According to Apple Inc., Objective-C is the main programming language, when 
> writing software for MacOS~\cite[objective-c].
> 
> \placelistofpublications
> \stoptext
> ```
> 
> I've tried to understand the manual, yout can see some of my attempts in the 
> minimal example. But I don't get really far.
> 
> Can you give me a hint?

I have "fixed" this with directly modifying the publ-imp-aps.mkvi. I guess,
this is the worst way to achive this thing, but I don't know a better one.

Here is the patch, if someone is interested.

Gerion

--- publ-imp-aps.mkvi.original  2017-07-31 21:23:14.736856430 +0200
+++ publ-imp-aps.mkvi   2017-07-31 21:24:46.860462851 +0200
@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
 \definebtx
   [aps:\s!list]
   [aps]
-  [\c!authorconversion=normalshort]
+  [\c!authorconversion=normal]
 
 \definebtx
   [aps:\s!list:author]
@@ -1117,6 +1117,12 @@
 
 \startsetups btx:aps:list:misc
 \fastsetup{btx:aps:list:electronic}
+\btxdoif {url} {
+\btxspace
+\btxleftparenthesis
+\goto{\hyphenatedurl{\btxflush{url}}}[url(\btxflush{url})]
+\btxrightparenthesis
+}
 % Note that organization is an "ignored" field.
 \stopsetups

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[NTG-context] Bibliography in MKIV, custom rendering

2017-07-30 Thread Gerion Entrup 
Hi,

I need your help again. I've a bibliography and some entries references to 
websites. Unfortunately the URL is not always rendered and the name ist always 
parsed as name of a person, not from an organisation etc.

What I want to achieve is to use the standard aps style, but with additionally 
the following two rules:
1. The name is always rendered without abbrevations (I guess, this is 
authorconversion=normal).
2. If an URL is given, it is always rendered.

My input is a bib-file. Here is a minimal example:

input.bib
```
@misc{objective-c,
author = "Apple Inc.",
note = "Online; accessed at 31-July-2017",
title = "About Objective-C",
url = 
"https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ProgrammingWithObjectiveC/Introduction/Introduction.html;,
year = "2014"
}
```

test.tex
```
\usebtxdataset[default][input.bib]
\usebtxdefinitions[aps]
\setupbtx[default:cite][alternative=num]
\setupbtx[default:list][authorconversion=normal]

\starttext
According to Apple Inc., Objective-C is the main programming language, when 
writing software for MacOS~\cite[objective-c].

\placelistofpublications
\stoptext
```

I've tried to understand the manual, yout can see some of my attempts in the 
minimal example. But I don't get really far.

Can you give me a hint?

Gerion
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