Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu writes:
This is to announce that the latest beta supports creating virtual math
fonts with fallback. The main test case is to use Euler font with missing
characters taken from Pagella but the mechanism is general and can be used
to replace a specific set of math glyphs from a font.
This feature is not extensively tested. As such it will be useful if
everyone interested in math fallback mechanism could test this out and
report any bugs or inconsistencies.
One inconsistency or maybe bug is that text subscripts come out in Euler
instead of Palatino.
Here's an example (using 2014.02.14 beta). The Sun subscript using
_{\tf Sun} or _{\rm Sun} was in Palatino in the corresponding MkII
setup, but is in Euler now. The workaround of an hbox with \tfxx or
\tfx doesn't get quite the right size.
\usetypescriptfile[euler]
\definetypeface [mainface] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default]
\definetypeface [mainface] [tt] [mono] [dejavu] [default]
[rscale=0.9]
\definetypeface [mainface] [mm] [math] [pagellaovereuler] [default]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics
\setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal]
\starttext
\placeformula\startformula
M_{\rm Sun}\quad M_{\hbox{\tfx Sun}} \quad M_{\hbox{\tfxx Sun}} \quad M_{\tf
Sun}
\stopformula
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu writes:
This is to announce that the latest beta supports creating virtual math
fonts with fallback. The main test case is to use Euler font with missing
characters taken from Pagella but the mechanism is general and can be used
to replace a specific set of math glyphs from a font.
This feature is not extensively tested. As such it will be useful if
everyone interested in math fallback mechanism could test this out and
report any bugs or inconsistencies.
One inconsistency or maybe bug is that text subscripts come out in Euler
instead of Palatino.
Here's an example (using 2014.02.14 beta). The Sun subscript using
_{\tf Sun} or _{\rm Sun} was in Palatino in the corresponding MkII
setup, but is in Euler now. The workaround of an hbox with \tfxx or
\tfx doesn't get quite the right size.
That is because in math mode, \rm is symonym with \mathrm etc. The
standard way to write this is _{\text{Sun}}.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Aditya,
Here's an example (using 2014.02.14 beta). The Sun subscript using
_{\tf Sun} or _{\rm Sun} was in Palatino in the corresponding MkII
setup, but is in Euler now. The workaround of an hbox with \tfxx or
\tfx doesn't get quite the right size.
That is because in math mode, \rm is symonym with \mathrm etc. The
standard way to write this is _{\text{Sun}}.
I agree about \rm. However, _{\tf blah} once (in MkII) selected the
text font. e.g.
\starttext
\placeformula\startformula
M_{\tf Sun}
\stopformula
\stoptext
Is the II-IV change in \tf semantics intended? It's not hard to adjust
for by using 'sed'. I raise the issue only in case the change is not
intended.
Actually, the example just as above (i.e. using modern fonts) works fine
works in MkII and MkIV. It also works if \setupbodyfont[palatino] is
inserted as the first line.
It's fails only when using Palatino with Euler (at least, in the way
that I did it).
That data doesn't say what the right behavior is. But it may help you
decide.
-Sanjoy
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Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Wolfgang, Thank you for the preamble. It works well standalone. For some reason it doesn't work with components. I think I've seen this problem before but can't remember the resolution. Here's a minimal example (with 2014.02.14 beta). The text comes out in Euler. The same happens putting the font setup in a project file and referring to it with \project. \startcomponent test \usetypescriptfile[euler] \definetypeface [mainface] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default] \definetypeface [mainface] [tt] [mono] [dejavu] [default] [rscale=0.9] \definetypeface [mainface] [mm] [math] [pagellaovereuler] [default] \setupbodyfont[mainface,10.5pt] \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal] \input knuth \stopcomponent ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Am 17.02.2014 um 15:12 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan san...@olin.edu: Wolfgang, Thank you for the preamble. It works well standalone. For some reason it doesn't work with components. I think I've seen this problem before but can't remember the resolution. Here's a minimal example (with 2014.02.14 beta). The text comes out in Euler. The same happens putting the font setup in a project file and referring to it with \project. Put you font definitions before \startcomponent or better put them in a environment file and load this file before \startcomponent. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Put your font definitions before \startcomponent or better put them in a environment file and load this file before \startcomponent. Sorry, I should have said that I had tried that, but it has the same problem (Euler font for everything). \usetypescriptfile[euler] \definetypeface [mainface] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default] \definetypeface [mainface] [tt] [mono] [dejavu] [default] [rscale=0.9] \definetypeface [mainface] [mm] [math] [pagellaovereuler] [default] \setupbodyfont[mainface,10.5pt] \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal] \startcomponent test \input knuth \stopcomponent ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Am 17.02.2014 um 15:29 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan san...@olin.edu: Put your font definitions before \startcomponent or better put them in a environment file and load this file before \startcomponent. Sorry, I should have said that I had tried that, but it has the same problem (Euler font for everything). I can’t reproduce this, when I process your example the text is typeset with the pagella font. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
I can’t reproduce this, when I process your example the text is typeset with the pagella font. You are right. I am not sure what I had done, but it works as you say. I also put the font setup in an environment file that is loaded by testproject.tex, and that also works. \project testproject \startcomponent test \input knuth \stopcomponent Because of font loading, is this recommended way to use components (rather than the old way of the \project line after \startcomponent)? If so, I'll make a note on the wiki. -Sanjoy ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: \project testproject \startcomponent test \input knuth \stopcomponent Because of font loading, is this recommended way to use components (rather than the old way of the \project line after \startcomponent)? If so, I'll make a note on the wiki. Yes. This is one of the changes from MkII to MkIV. I think that Hans had a This Way document on this. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Am 17.02.2014 um 21:07 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan san...@olin.edu: I can’t reproduce this, when I process your example the text is typeset with the pagella font. You are right. I am not sure what I had done, but it works as you say. I also put the font setup in an environment file that is loaded by testproject.tex, and that also works. \project testproject \startcomponent test \input knuth \stopcomponent Because of font loading, is this recommended way to use components (rather than the old way of the \project line after \startcomponent)? If so, I'll make a note on the wiki. This does not only apply to component etc. but also to normal files because context sets and resets some values with \starttext etc. and to avoid some problems it’s better to put all setup commands before it. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Am 17.02.2014 um 15:29 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan san...@olin.edu: Put your font definitions before \startcomponent or better put them in a environment file and load this file before \startcomponent. Sorry, I should have said that I had tried that, but it has the same problem (Euler font for everything). I can?t reproduce this, when I process your example the text is typeset with the pagella font. Wolfgang I run the sample code and got the correct output( patella for text and euler for math). My ConTeXt version is ConTeXt ver: 2013.12.20 23:45 MKIV beta fmt: 2013.12.22 int: english/english best regards, Dalyoung ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Because of font loading, is this recommended way to use components (rather than the old way of the \project line after \startcomponent)? If so, I'll make a note on the wiki. This does not only apply to component etc. but also to normal files because context sets and resets some values with \starttext etc. and to avoid some problems it’s better to put all setup commands before it. Agreed. The wiki page for Project Structure has always shown setups (via \project ... ) going after the \startcomponent or \startproduct. I've edited the examples to have setups before the \start(product|component). If I did it wrong, let me know. -Sanjoy ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu writes: This is to announce that the latest beta supports creating virtual math fonts with fallback. The main test case is to use Euler font with missing characters taken from Pagella but the mechanism is general and can be used to replace a specific set of math glyphs from a font. This feature is not extensively tested. As such it will be useful if everyone interested in math fallback mechanism could test this out and report any bugs or inconsistencies. I would like to test and hopefully use this setup for _Street-Fighting Science and Engineering_. It should also give the setup a thorough workout. But I can't quite get the preamble right. The test file below typesets text and math in palatino. \usetypescriptfile[euler-with-pagella] \definebodyfontenvironment[10.5pt] \setupbodyfont[palatino,10.5pt] \starttext \input knuth \placeformula\startformula a^2 + b^2 = c^2. \stopformula \stoptext If I add \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal] just before \starttext, the math is typeset in roman pagella. What am I doing silly? Also, one of my reservations about using Euler for math, which readers complained about in _Street-Fighting Mathematics_, is that v and \nu (kinematic viscosity) look so similar. Do you know any way to make them more distinguishable, e.g. by substituting a different character? -Sanjoy To use this feature you have to use `pagellaovereuler` as your math font. For example, to use Euler with DejaVu fonts, use: \usetypescriptfile[euler] \starttypescript[mainface] \definetypeface[mainface][rm][serif][dejavu] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][ss][sans] [dejavu] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][tt][mono] [dejavu] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [pagellaovereuler][default] \stoptypescript \setupbodyfont[mainface] \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics \setupmathematics [lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal] There is a built-in typescript `euler-with-pagella` to use `pagellaovereuler` as the math font and `pagella` as the text font. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Am 16.02.2014 um 17:51 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan san...@olin.edu: Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu writes: This is to announce that the latest beta supports creating virtual math fonts with fallback. The main test case is to use Euler font with missing characters taken from Pagella but the mechanism is general and can be used to replace a specific set of math glyphs from a font. This feature is not extensively tested. As such it will be useful if everyone interested in math fallback mechanism could test this out and report any bugs or inconsistencies. I would like to test and hopefully use this setup for _Street-Fighting Science and Engineering_. It should also give the setup a thorough workout. But I can't quite get the preamble right. The test file below typesets text and math in palatino. \usetypescriptfile[euler-with-pagella] You have to load the typescript file for euler. \definebodyfontenvironment[10.5pt] \setupbodyfont[palatino,10.5pt] When you use the palatino typeface context uses only the pagella math fonts. To use palatino as text font and euler for math you have to create your own typeface collection: \usetypescriptfile[euler] \definetypeface [mainface] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default] \definetypeface [mainface] [tt] [mono] [dejavu] [default] [rscale=0.9] \definetypeface [mainface] [mm] [math] [pagellaovereuler] [default] \setupbodyfont[mainface,10.5pt] \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics \setupmathematics[lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal] \starttext \input knuth \startplaceformula \startformula a^2 + b^2 = c^2. \stopformula \stopplaceformula \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Euler with fallback
Hi all, This is to announce that the latest beta supports creating virtual math fonts with fallback. The main test case is to use Euler font with missing characters taken from Pagella but the mechanism is general and can be used to replace a specific set of math glyphs from a font. This feature is not extensively tested. As such it will be useful if everyone interested in math fallback mechanism could test this out and report any bugs or inconsistencies. To use this feature you have to use `pagellaovereuler` as your math font. For example, to use Euler with DejaVu fonts, use: \usetypescriptfile[euler] \starttypescript[mainface] \definetypeface[mainface][rm][serif][dejavu] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][ss][sans] [dejavu] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][tt][mono] [dejavu] [default] \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [pagellaovereuler][default] \stoptypescript \setupbodyfont[mainface] \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics \setupmathematics [lcgreek=normal, ucgreek=normal] There is a built-in typescript `euler-with-pagella` to use `pagellaovereuler` as the math font and `pagella` as the text font. If you are interested in implementing similar fallback mechanisms for other fonts, see type-imp-euler.mkiv and euler-math.lfg for details. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
