Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-12 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
 Here it does work after installation of cont-fnt.zip. Or the current
 Debian context package.

Hmm, I think the mess of tex configuration files in Unix has finally
defeated me, and I will switch to using the debian context package and
will retry Aditya's assignment document.  That will also involve
switching from the tetex-3.0 packages (on Ubuntu) to texlive, which
I've been meaning to do for a while.

I'll try it all tomorrow afternoon.  [Today I am preparing a talk to a
new audience (doctors), and I don't want to risk my mostly working tex
setup until after that!]

-Sanjoy

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Norbert Preining wrote:
 Hi Aditya!
 
 On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 
This is a simple document that uses URW-Pallatino fonts and some mp 
backgrounds. Sanjoy had some trouble with the fonts due to missing map 
files. If the document compiles correctly, it will verify that the 
URW-Pallatino map files are correct. Simply unzip the files and
 
 
 Nup, doesn't work:
   kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
 Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?

Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.

Best,

Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Nup, doesn't work:
  kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
 Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
 
 Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
 is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
 means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.

Ok. Would it make sense to pack them together with the cont-tmf.zip in
the Debian context package?

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one 
 compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should

No, the more the better.

 decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more
 context support, the better.

I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already
in the cont-tmf.zip file.

What else would make sense?
- cont-tmf.zip
- cont-fnt.zip
- cont-img.zip ???
- cont-ext.zip ???
- anything else?

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Norbert Preining wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
   
 That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one 
 compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should
 

 No, the more the better.

   
 decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more
 context support, the better.
 

 I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already
 in the cont-tmf.zip file.

 What else would make sense?
 - cont-tmf.zip
 - cont-fnt.zip
   
a bunch of extra tfm files that makes context more happy, also some more 
encodings (texnansi support in tex live is poor while this encoding 
vector suits users best)
 - cont-img.zip ???
   
this file has some graphics that users can use to test things; the tex 
test files are in the main zip; it is handy to have the img file 
installed because on the mailing list we often do things like

\externalfigure[cow.pdf]

and suchimages then need to be present someplace
 - cont-ext.zip ???
   
third party stuff; taco manages the process of making them tds/licence 
compliant so including them should be ok
 - anything else?
   
some day next year there will be an additional zip for luatex support

Thanks,

Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Taco!

(BTW: Sorry for bothering with all this, and thanks for the support!)

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 What else would make sense?
 - cont-tmf.zip
 - cont-fnt.zip
 - cont-img.zip ???
 - cont-ext.zip ???
 
 The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext.
 cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images).

Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't
know. 

If not, I can create two packages which complement each other.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Norbert Preining wrote:
 Hi Taco!

 (BTW: Sorry for bothering with all this, and thanks for the support!)

 On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
   
 What else would make sense?
 - cont-tmf.zip
 - cont-fnt.zip
 - cont-img.zip ???
 - cont-ext.zip ???
   
 The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext.
 cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images).
 

 Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't
 know. 


   
as far as we know, they're all free (at least, before adding something 
to the ext file, taco tests the structure etc etc); the third party 
modules are collected on the context wiki, fetched from there and merged 
into the ext zip (as well as uploaded automatically to ctan)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Norbert Preining wrote:
 Hi Taco!
 
 On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 
Nup, doesn't work:
 kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?

Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.
 
 Ok. Would it make sense to pack them together with the cont-tmf.zip in
 the Debian context package?

That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one 
compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should
decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more
context support, the better.

Best, Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Norbert Preining wrote:
 Hi Danai!

 On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Danai SAE-HAN wrote:
   
 So here is -0.2, which does the following:
 - install doc files
 - do NOT install any map activation files in /etc/texmf/updmap.d
   
 So if I understand correctly, ConTeXt (which I haven't used yet)
 doesn't use the .map files anymore with pdfTeX?  This might be
 interesting for the CJK packages.  Or is the change only relevant for
 ConTeXt-specific fonts?
 

 No, but the map files are installed into
   /texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/...
 so that context/pdftex finds them. But there is no need for activation
 via updmap as *only* pdftex is used. Or at least this is how I
 understand it.

   

the problem with a big map file is that it is potentially problematic 
(it definitely was in the past) because there is some fuzzy logic 
involved when embedded files are handled in pdftex;

so, in context, i don't preload all map files, but use \pdfmapfile{...} 
to explicitly load a map file so that we can be sure we have the right 
one -- keep in mind that we can have files on the system with similar 
internal names (the one between  in the map file) but different metric 
(slant, ext, cap,...) ; so, when you have a problem with a missing file 
(reported by pdftex), you can use \loadmapfile[somename.map] in context

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Hans!

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Are all of them DFSG free? cont-tmf I know, about the others I don't
 know. 
   
 as far as we know, they're all free (at least, before adding something 
 to the ext file, taco tests the structure etc etc); the third party 
 modules are collected on the context wiki, fetched from there and merged 
 into the ext zip (as well as uploaded automatically to ctan)

Thanks.

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Hans Hagen wrote:
 What else would make sense?


I have updated the package included all the four zips. Thanks a lot for
the suggestions.

 some day next year there will be an additional zip for luatex support

No problem, will be included, too.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Norbert Preining wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 
That depends on whether you want your packages to be one-on-one 
compatible with TeXLive or not, and that is something you should
 
 No, the more the better.
 
decide for yourself. From my side this is a no-brainer: the more
context support, the better.
 
 I didn't include it since I THOUGHT that everything is contained already
 in the cont-tmf.zip file.
 
 What else would make sense?
 - cont-tmf.zip
 - cont-fnt.zip
 - cont-img.zip ???
 - cont-ext.zip ???

The most important ones (besides cont-tmf) are cont-fnt and cont-ext.
cont-img is nice, but not that important (only a few example images).

Hans, anything else?

Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Nup, doesn't work:
  kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
 Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
 
 Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that

Thanks, this worked. Nice ...

Best wishes

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
  Nup, doesn't work:
  kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
  Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
 
 Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
 is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
 means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.

I had the same error, which remained after installing cont-fnt.zip.
I'll make a small test case soonish.

-Sanjoy

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Sanjoy!

On Mon, 11 Dez 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
   Nup, doesn't work:
 kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
   Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?
  
  Probably a case of fonts missing. Those fonts are in cont-fnt.zip that
  is not in TeXLive (nor will it be added anytime soon). But FWIW, this
  means the bits you do have installed, do work as expected.
 
 I had the same error, which remained after installing cont-fnt.zip.
 I'll make a small test case soonish.

Here it does work after installation of cont-fnt.zip. Or the current
Debian context package.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] New Debian context package based on context release 061207

2006-12-10 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Aditya!

On Son, 10 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 This is a simple document that uses URW-Pallatino fonts and some mp 
 backgrounds. Sanjoy had some trouble with the fonts due to missing map 
 files. If the document compiles correctly, it will verify that the 
 URW-Pallatino map files are correct. Simply unzip the files and

Nup, doesn't work:
kpathsea: Running mktextfm texnansi-uplr8a
Is this a context problem or do I have some fonts missing?

Best wishes

Norbert

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