Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
I think I more or less got the idea of what is possible. But let me
describe my project. Maybe you might come up with a better solution.
I'm going to typeset a diary written and drawn by an illustrator and
graphic designer 70 years ago. What is unique, it consists of
handwritten pages which were already composed for publication. So in
fact I have to preserve both the juxtaposition of illustrations and
the text (give or take line or two). As basically the text should not
flow between pages I guess I could set the whole thing with layers
only. The biggest problem seems how to control placement of layers so
that the text inside them is set on the grid. Here is my initial setup
for a single page.
\definelayer [figure][width=\overlaywidth,height=\overlayheight]
\defineoverlay[figure][{\directsetup{figure}\tightlayer[figure]}]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupbackgrounds[page][background=figure]
\setuppagenumbering[location={footer,right}]
\usetypescript[palatino]
\setupbodyfont[palatino,14pt]
\starttext
\startbuffer[zapf]
\input zapf
\stopbuffer
\startbuffer[hawking]
\input hawking
\stopbuffer
\flushlayer[figure]
\startsetups figure
\setlayerframed[figure][frame=off,x=25mm,y=43mm]{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth,height=40mm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][frame=off,x=25mm,y=90mm,align=normal,width=\textwidth]{\getbuffer[zapf]}
\setlayerframed[figure][frame=off,x=80mm,y=150mm]{\externalfigure[cow][width=30mm,height=100mm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][frame=off,x=25mm,y=150mm,align=normal,width=50mm]{\getbuffer[hawking]}
\setlayerframed[figure][frame=off,x=120mm,y=150mm,align=normal,width=50mm]{\getbuffer[hawking]}
\stopsetups
\stoptext
Of course, it looks like it's going to take couple of months of rather
tedious manual work so any ideas how to make it easier are welcome.
Piotr
2009/5/12 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 12.05.2009 um 15:18 schrieb Piotr Kopszak:
Yes, exactly.
\setuppapersize [S6]
\setuptolerance [soepel,rek]
better
\setuppapersize [S6][S6]
\setuptolerance [tolerant,stretch]
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[NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Dear all, I am close to give up, but maybe there is a solution... I have a book to typeset literally peppered with hundreds of little drawings which are supposed to appear irregularly surrounded by text flowing around them on all sides. |xx | |x-xx| |x| |xx | |x|__|xx| || |xx |__|| |xx| I naively imagine that should not be that hard to implement ;) Since we already have overlays it's no problem to place images in arbitrary places. It only remains to drill white holes in the text to make room for them. What about such procedure: 1. While building the line TeX checks if there is any overlay ahead. 2 if so, it puts empty hbox of the overlay width when it reaches necessary distance from the edge. 3. and does so for the number of lines which equal overlay height. Of course that leaves aside the problem of justification and without justification such page would probably look very ugly (I dare not to think if hz optimization, which I really got used to, would still work). Is there still hope I could stay with ConTeXt this time as well? Many thanks for any ideas in advance Piotr -- http://okle.pl ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Any chance lua might change something here in the future? P. 2009/5/12 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: Piotr Kopszak wrote: Dear all, I am close to give up, but maybe there is a solution... I have a book to typeset literally peppered with hundreds of little drawings which are supposed to appear irregularly surrounded by text flowing around them on all sides. |xx | |x-xx| |x| |xx | |x|__|xx| || |xx |__|| |xx| I naively imagine that should not be that hard to implement ;) Since we already have overlays it's no problem to place images in arbitrary places. It only remains to drill white holes in the text to make room for them. What about such procedure: 1. While building the line TeX checks if there is any overlay ahead. 2 if so, it puts empty hbox of the overlay width when it reaches necessary distance from the edge. 3. and does so for the number of lines which equal overlay height. Of course that leaves aside the problem of justification and without justification such page would probably look very ugly (I dare not to think if hz optimization, which I really got used to, would still work). Is there still hope I could stay with ConTeXt this time as well? one can have parshapes in tex but not that complex as you want - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- http://okle.pl ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I am close to give up, but maybe there is a solution... I have a book to typeset literally peppered with hundreds of little drawings which are supposed to appear irregularly surrounded by text flowing around them on all sides. |xx | |x-xx| |x| |xx | |x|__|xx| || |xx |__|| |xx| I naively imagine that should not be that hard to implement ;) Since we already have overlays it's no problem to place images in arbitrary places. It only remains to drill white holes in the text to make room for them. What about such procedure: 1. While building the line TeX checks if there is any overlay ahead. 2 if so, it puts empty hbox of the overlay width when it reaches necessary distance from the edge. 3. and does so for the number of lines which equal overlay height. Of course that leaves aside the problem of justification and without justification such page would probably look very ugly (I dare not to think if hz optimization, which I really got used to, would still work). Is there still hope I could stay with ConTeXt this time as well? Many thanks for any ideas in advance can you post a little example ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Piotr Kopszak wrote: Any chance lua might change something here in the future? maybe, but not in the near future Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Only to show better how I would like text and images placed on the page.
\definelayer [figure][width=\overlaywidth,height=\overlayheight]
\defineoverlay[figure][{\directsetup{figure}\tightlayer[figure]}]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupbackgrounds[page][background=figure]
\starttext
\dorecurse{4}{\input knuth}
\startsetups figure
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.3\layerwidth,y=.2\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=3cm,height=4cm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.55\layerwidth,y=.4\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=3cm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.4\layerwidth,y=.6\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm,height=4cm]}
\stopsetups
\stoptext
2009/5/12 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I am close to give up, but maybe there is a solution... I have a book
to typeset literally peppered with hundreds of little drawings which
are supposed to appear irregularly surrounded by text flowing around
them on all sides.
|xx |
|x-xx|
|x| |xx |
|x|__|xx| ||
|xx |__||
|xx|
I naively imagine that should not be that hard to implement ;) Since
we already have overlays it's no problem to place images in arbitrary
places. It only remains to drill white holes in the text to make room
for them. What about such procedure:
1. While building the line TeX checks if there is any overlay ahead.
2 if so, it puts empty hbox of the overlay width when it reaches
necessary distance from the edge.
3. and does so for the number of lines which equal overlay height.
Of course that leaves aside the problem of justification and without
justification such page would probably look very ugly (I dare not to
think if hz optimization, which I really got used to, would still
work).
Is there still hope I could stay with ConTeXt this time as well?
Many thanks for any ideas in advance
can you post a little example ?
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Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
Only to show better how I would like text and images placed on the page.
\definelayer [figure][width=\overlaywidth,height=\overlayheight]
\defineoverlay[figure][{\directsetup{figure}\tightlayer[figure]}]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupbackgrounds[page][background=figure]
\starttext
\dorecurse{4}{\input knuth}
\startsetups figure
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.3\layerwidth,y=.2\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=3cm,height=4cm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.55\layerwidth,y=.4\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=3cm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.4\layerwidth,y=.6\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm,height=4cm]}
\stopsetups
\stoptext
hmm
what about columnsets ?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Columns#Column_Sets
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Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
But I want text in one column in the whole document. I was wondering
however if I could mimick something similar with textflows but cannot
understand the Dutch example in page-flw.tex.
Piotr
2009/5/12 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
Only to show better how I would like text and images placed on the page.
\definelayer [figure][width=\overlaywidth,height=\overlayheight]
\defineoverlay[figure][{\directsetup{figure}\tightlayer[figure]}]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupbackgrounds[page][background=figure]
\starttext
\dorecurse{4}{\input knuth}
\startsetups figure
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.3\layerwidth,y=.2\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=3cm,height=4cm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.55\layerwidth,y=.4\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=3cm]}
\setlayerframed[figure][x=.4\layerwidth,y=.6\layerheight]{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm,height=4cm]}
\stopsetups
\stoptext
hmm
what about columnsets ?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Columns#Column_Sets
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Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
But I want text in one column in the whole document. I was wondering
however if I could mimick something similar with textflows but cannot
understand the Dutch example in page-flw.tex.
Do you mean this ?
% Example (dutch)
%
% \stelpapierformaatin [S6]
% \steltolerantiein[soepel,rek]
% \stelkleurenin [status=start]
% \stelvoetin [strut=nee]
% \stelwitruimtein [groot]
%
% \stellayoutin
% [rechterrand=5cm,breedte=passend,marge=0pt,randafstand=1cm,
%voet=4cm,voetafstand=1cm,hoofd=0cm]
%
% \stelteksttekstenin[rand][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{alpha}}]
% \stelvoettekstenin [rand][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{beta}}]
% \stelvoettekstenin [\vbox{\flushtextflow{gamma}}][]
%
% \definetextflow [alfa] [breedte=\rechterrandbreedte]
% \definetextflow [beta] [breedte=\rechterrandbreedte]
% \definetextflow [gamma] [breedte=\voethoogte]
%
% \starttekst
%
% \dorecurse{50}
% {\getrandomnumber{\funny}{0}{8}
%\ifcase\funny \starttextflow[alfa] \input tufte.tex \stoptextflow
%\or \starttextflow[beta] \input knuth.tex \stoptextflow
%\or \starttextflow[gamma] \input materie.tex \stoptextflow
%\or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
%\or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
%\or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
%\or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
%\or {\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
%\else{\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
%\fi}
%
% \stoptekst
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Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Yes, exactly.
2009/5/12 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
But I want text in one column in the whole document. I was wondering
however if I could mimick something similar with textflows but cannot
understand the Dutch example in page-flw.tex.
Do you mean this ?
% Example (dutch)
%
% \stelpapierformaatin [S6]
% \steltolerantiein [soepel,rek]
% \stelkleurenin [status=start]
% \stelvoetin [strut=nee]
% \stelwitruimtein [groot]
%
% \stellayoutin
% [rechterrand=5cm,breedte=passend,marge=0pt,randafstand=1cm,
% voet=4cm,voetafstand=1cm,hoofd=0cm]
%
% \stelteksttekstenin[rand][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{alpha}}]
% \stelvoettekstenin [rand][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{beta}}]
% \stelvoettekstenin [\vbox{\flushtextflow{gamma}}][]
%
% \definetextflow [alfa] [breedte=\rechterrandbreedte]
% \definetextflow [beta] [breedte=\rechterrandbreedte]
% \definetextflow [gamma] [breedte=\voethoogte]
%
% \starttekst
%
% \dorecurse{50}
% {\getrandomnumber{\funny}{0}{8}
% \ifcase\funny \starttextflow[alfa] \input tufte.tex \stoptextflow
% \or \starttextflow[beta] \input knuth.tex \stoptextflow
% \or \starttextflow[gamma] \input materie.tex \stoptextflow
% \or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
% \or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
% \or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
% \or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
% \or {\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
% \else {\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
% \fi}
%
% \stoptekst
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Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Am 12.05.2009 um 15:18 schrieb Piotr Kopszak:
Yes, exactly.
\setuppapersize [S6]
\setuptolerance [soepel,rek]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupfooter[strut=no]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\setuplayout
[rightmargin=5cm,
width=fit,
margin=0pt,
edgedistance=1cm,
footer=4cm,
footerdistance=1cm,
header=0cm]
\setuptexttexts [margin][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{alpha}}]
\setupfootertexts[margin][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{beta}}]
\setupfootertexts[\vbox{\flushtextflow{gamma}}][]
\definetextflow [alfa] [width=\rightmarginwidth]
\definetextflow [beta] [width=\rightmarginwidth]
\definetextflow [gamma] [width=\footerheight]
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}
{\getrandomnumber{\funny}{0}{8}
\ifcase\funny \starttextflow[alfa] \input tufte.tex \stoptextflow
\or \starttextflow[beta] \input knuth.tex \stoptextflow
\or \starttextflow[gamma] \input materie.tex \stoptextflow
\or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
\or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
\or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
\or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
\or {\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
\else{\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
\fi}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] The ultimate (?) float problem
Right. If I understand correctly on the first look textflows appear
in fixed locations on consecutive pages. I guess I'm banging my head
against a wall but what about if it was possible to have them side by
side on the same page?
2009/5/12 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com:
Am 12.05.2009 um 15:18 schrieb Piotr Kopszak:
Yes, exactly.
\setuppapersize [S6]
\setuptolerance [soepel,rek]
\setupcolors [state=start]
\setupfooter [strut=no]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\setuplayout
[rightmargin=5cm,
width=fit,
margin=0pt,
edgedistance=1cm,
footer=4cm,
footerdistance=1cm,
header=0cm]
\setuptexttexts [margin][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{alpha}}]
\setupfootertexts[margin][][\vbox{\flushtextflow{beta}}]
\setupfootertexts [\vbox{\flushtextflow{gamma}}][]
\definetextflow [alfa] [width=\rightmarginwidth]
\definetextflow [beta] [width=\rightmarginwidth]
\definetextflow [gamma] [width=\footerheight]
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}
{\getrandomnumber{\funny}{0}{8}
\ifcase\funny \starttextflow[alfa] \input tufte.tex \stoptextflow
\or \starttextflow[beta] \input knuth.tex \stoptextflow
\or \starttextflow[gamma] \input materie.tex \stoptextflow
\or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
\or {\bf TUFTE}\quad \input tufte \par
\or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
\or {\bf KNUTH}\quad \input knuth \par
\or {\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
\else {\bf MATERIE}\quad \input materie \par
\fi}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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