Re: [NTG-context] Crossref in bibtex
Dear Alan,
Thank you very much fox fixing the issue so quickly! The patch you have sent
me works on my machine as well :-).
I was playing around with bibliography a bit more, and I noticed that when
you make a crossref-loop (two entries pointing to eachother, or a single
entry pointing to itself), the lua interpreter will crash with
"publ-dat.lua:540: loop in gettable stack". Now, this is a bit of a silly
case of course ;-).
Kind regards,
Joshua
-Original Message-
From: Alan Braslau
Sent: 12 July 2018 18:37
To: cont...@joshuamoerman.nl
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Crossref in bibtex
On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:21:28 +0200
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am now playing around with ConTeXt to see if it fits my needs for
> writing my thesis :-).
>
> One thing which did not work for me was the use of crossref in bibtex
> entries. This feature is used when generating bibtex entries via DBLP
> (which is quite standard in computer science). It is used to have one
> single entry for the journal/conference which the lists the editors.
> Consequently you can have several paper entries referring to that,
> without duplicating the editors. This has worked fine for me in LaTeX.
> But in ConTeXt it seems the crossref is not used at all.
> Example:
>
> \usebtxdefinitions[apa]
> \usebtxdataset[biblio.bib]
>
> \starttext
> See \cite{PAPER}.
> Version: \contextversion.
> \placelistofpublications
> \stoptext
>
> @inproceedings{PAPER,
> author= {First Last},
> title = {PaperTitle},
> booktitle = {Conference of BlaBla},
> year = {2017},
> crossref = {CONF},
> }
>
> @proceedings{CONF,
> title = {Conference on BlaBla},
> year = {2017},
> editor= {Edith Tor},
> publisher = {Springer},
> }
>
> Result (copied from pdf):
> See (Last, 2017). Version: 2018.07.02 14:39.
> Last, F. (2017). PaperTitle. In PaperTitle. Conference of BlaBla.
> Author.
>
> Expected (made by manually copying editor/publisher):
> See (Last, 2017). Version: 2018.07.02 14:39.
> Last, F. (2017). PaperTitle. In E. Tor (Ed.) Conference of BlaBla.
> Springer.
>
>
> Should I setup the style differently? Or is the crossref feature not
> supported?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> All the best,
> Joshua
crossref is implemented and works, but failed as shown above, when the
crossref points to a "future" entry, that is one not already processed
(inverting the order of the two entries above will show the desired
behavior).
This is not good: the order should not matter, and Hans has fixed this, to
appear in the "next beta". Thank you Joshua for uncovering this.
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Crossref in bibtex
On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:21:28 +0200
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am now playing around with ConTeXt to see if it fits my needs for
> writing my thesis :-).
>
> One thing which did not work for me was the use of crossref in bibtex
> entries. This feature is used when generating bibtex entries via DBLP
> (which is quite standard in computer science). It is used to have one
> single entry for the journal/conference which the lists the editors.
> Consequently you can have several paper entries referring to that,
> without duplicating the editors. This has worked fine for me in
> LaTeX. But in ConTeXt it seems the crossref is not used at all.
> Example:
>
> \usebtxdefinitions[apa]
> \usebtxdataset[biblio.bib]
>
> \starttext
> See \cite{PAPER}.
> Version: \contextversion.
> \placelistofpublications
> \stoptext
>
> @inproceedings{PAPER,
> author= {First Last},
> title = {PaperTitle},
> booktitle = {Conference of BlaBla},
> year = {2017},
> crossref = {CONF},
> }
>
> @proceedings{CONF,
> title = {Conference on BlaBla},
> year = {2017},
> editor= {Edith Tor},
> publisher = {Springer},
> }
>
> Result (copied from pdf):
> See (Last, 2017). Version: 2018.07.02 14:39.
> Last, F. (2017). PaperTitle. In PaperTitle. Conference of BlaBla.
> Author.
>
> Expected (made by manually copying editor/publisher):
> See (Last, 2017). Version: 2018.07.02 14:39.
> Last, F. (2017). PaperTitle. In E. Tor (Ed.) Conference of BlaBla.
> Springer.
>
>
> Should I setup the style differently? Or is the crossref feature not
> supported?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> All the best,
> Joshua
crossref is implemented and works, but failed as shown above, when the
crossref points to a "future" entry, that is one not already processed
(inverting the order of the two entries above will show the desired
behavior).
This is not good: the order should not matter, and Hans has fixed this,
to appear in the "next beta". Thank you Joshua for uncovering this.
Alan
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[NTG-context] Crossref in bibtex
Hi all,
I am now playing around with ConTeXt to see if it fits my needs for writing
my thesis :-).
One thing which did not work for me was the use of crossref in bibtex
entries. This feature is used when generating bibtex entries via DBLP (which
is quite standard in computer science). It is used to have one single entry
for the journal/conference which the lists the editors. Consequently you can
have several paper entries referring to that, without duplicating the
editors. This has worked fine for me in LaTeX. But in ConTeXt it seems the
crossref is not used at all. Example:
\usebtxdefinitions[apa]
\usebtxdataset[biblio.bib]
\starttext
See \cite{PAPER}.
Version: \contextversion.
\placelistofpublications
\stoptext
@inproceedings{PAPER,
author= {First Last},
title = {PaperTitle},
booktitle = {Conference of BlaBla},
year = {2017},
crossref = {CONF},
}
@proceedings{CONF,
title = {Conference on BlaBla},
year = {2017},
editor= {Edith Tor},
publisher = {Springer},
}
Result (copied from pdf):
See (Last, 2017). Version: 2018.07.02 14:39.
Last, F. (2017). PaperTitle. In PaperTitle. Conference of BlaBla. Author.
Expected (made by manually copying editor/publisher):
See (Last, 2017). Version: 2018.07.02 14:39.
Last, F. (2017). PaperTitle. In E. Tor (Ed.) Conference of BlaBla. Springer.
Should I setup the style differently? Or is the crossref feature not
supported?
Thanks in advance,
All the best,
Joshua
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[NTG-context] crossref in bibtex
Dear ConText Users
Being an age-old LaTeX user I thought I should give ConText a try.
But then I stumbled over the first problem when trying to use BibTeX:
Crossrefs don't seem to work properly.
- the work that uses a crossref is listed incompletely
in the publication list
- the crossref'd work itself isn't included at all.
I haven't found a solution on the web.
* * *
Details.
I have a source file (cut for the relevant parts):
-- start of content.tex --
\environment mainsetup
\version[concept]
\starttext
Es wird eine \quotation{Übersichtliche Darstellung} angestrebt (vgl.
\cite[wittgenstein-1997-philosophische-untersuchungen]\ §~132, S.~304f.).
\completepublications
\stoptext
-- end of content.tex --
The setup file is in the directory above (for use in multiple docs, as
suggested in the ConText documentation):
-- start of mainsetup.tex --
\enableregime[utf]
\usemodule[bib]
\setuppublications[alternative=aps]
\setuppublications[sorttype=bbl]
\setupbibtex
[database={~/Textsammlung/Central},
sort=author]
\setupheadtext[de][pubs=Literatur]
\startenvironment mainsetup
\setupbodyfont[11pt]
\mainlanguage[de]
\stopenvironment
-- end of mainsetup.tex --
The relevant part of the Central.bib is this (in this order, BibTeX
expexts uses of crossrefs to appear before the resp. crossref'd entry):
-- start of Central.bib --
@STRING{cy-fm = Frankfurt (Main)}
@STRING{pb-skp = Suhrkamp}
@STRING{wittgenstein = Wittgenstein, Ludwig}
@incollection{wittgenstein-1997-philosophische-untersuchungen,
Crossref ={wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe},
Edition = 11,
Note ={Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte},
Pages ={225-580},
Title = {Philosophische Untersuchungen},
Volume = 1,
Year =1997
}
@book{wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe,
Address = cy-fm,
Author = wittgenstein,
Booktitle = {Werkausgabe},
Isbn =3518099884,
Publisher = pb-skp,
Title = {Werkausgabe},
Year =1984
}
-- end of Central.bib --
The PDF output file after
% texexec --pdf content
% bibtext content
% texexec --pdf content
yields something like (characters may be distrupted due to conversion
from UTF-8):
-- start of content.pdf rendered as plain text --
Es wird eine Übersichtliche Darstellung der relevanten Begriffe
angestrebt (vgl. [1] § 132, S. 304f.).
Literatur
1 L. WittgensteinIn [??], p. 225-580. Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim
Schulte.
-- end of context.pdf --
A hint to the solution for an expert could be the bbl file. Note that
the order of the entries is turned around:
-- start of content.bbl --
\startpublication[k=wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe,t=book,
a={Wittgenstein},y=1984,
n=141,s=Wit84]
\author[]{Ludwig}[L.]{}{Wittgenstein}
\pubyear{1984}
\title{Werkausgabe}
\isbn{3518099884}
\city{Frankfurt (Main)}
\pubname{Suhrkamp}
\stoppublication
\startpublication[k=wittgenstein-1997-philosophische-untersuchungen,t=incollec%
tion,
a={Wittgenstein},y=1997,
n=140,s=Wit97]
\artauthor[]{Ludwig}[L.]{}{Wittgenstein}
\pubyear{1997}
\arttitle{Philosophische untersuchungen}
\crossref{wittgenstein-1984-werkausgabe}
\pages{225-580}
\pages{225-580}
\pubname{Suhrkamp}
\note{Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte}
\stoppublication
-- end of content.bbl --
So:
- The reference as such is found correctly.
- The entry in the References has note and pages
but not title, edition and volume, and year.
- The crossreference is not properly processed.
(and, actually, multiple pages should produce pp. not p.)
It should be something like
1 L. Wittgenstein (1984) Werkausgabe. Frankfurt (Main): Suhrkamp.
2 L. Wittgenstein (1997) Philosophische Untersuchungen. In [1], Bd. 1,
S. 225-580. Text neu durchgesehen von Joachim Schulte.
(If ordered by author first, then year. Note also that in \language[de]
vol. should be Bd. and p. be S..)
Coding for all files is UTF-8, things works as it they should in LaTeX.
Any ideas of what to do or hints where to find more info?
* * *
Additional question: what is the best way to generate the bbl file in
the project directory? (I use Central.bib for all my documents).
Using
% texexec mainsetup
in the projects directory produces many unnecessary files (e.g. a dvi
file) as it is only meant as a setup file.
* * *
I general, I like ConText. Strangely, it plays well with my mindset, as
does the whole layout orientation with my taste.
However, proper bibliography processing is a killer feature for me --
I have virtually no document whithout references. (I wonder, what the
direction of the ConText development here is; arguably, odd old BibTeX
has reached an end of its history and support for more modern and
complete, e.g. XML-based formats would be preferable (say, MODS) --
considering the seeminly nice XML support that is already there.)
Cheers Thanks in advance!
Ulf Martin
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Re: [NTG-context] crossref in bibtex
Hi Ulf, Ulf Martin wrote: Crossrefs don't seem to work properly. There isn't one, only a partial workaround: manually add a line of \nocite[crossref-ed entry] in your source somewhere, and at least the module will typeset the cross-referenced item itself. I will reconsider fixing this, but it is one of the more annoying things to get right. A hint to the solution for an expert could be the bbl file. Note that the order of the entries is turned around: No, that is absolutely unrelated. The .bbl file in context is nothing else than a representation in TeX macros of the original .bib file(s). (If ordered by author first, then year. Note also that in \language[de] vol. should be Bd. and p. be S..) Someone could create a bibl-aps-de.tex file, but I can not. It would just be a copy of bibl-aps.tex, but with german strings instead of english ones. You would still need to use an explicit language like \setuppublications[alternative=aps-de] though (because switching based on the current document language is not necessarily correct and is therefore unsupported). Any ideas of what to do or hints where to find more info? Rgiht here, on this list. * * * Additional question: what is the best way to generate the bbl file in the project directory? (I use Central.bib for all my documents). Using % texexec mainsetup in the projects directory produces many unnecessary files (e.g. a dvi file) as it is only meant as a setup file. You only have to generate the bbl file once, so that should not be a big burden. You could feasibly create a dummy file that is 4 or 5 lines long and has nothing but the \usemodule \setupbibtex lines, run that, and rename the resulting bbl file. However, proper bibliography processing is a killer feature for me -- I have virtually no document whithout references. (I wonder, what the direction of the ConText development here is; arguably, odd old BibTeX has reached an end of its history and support for more modern and complete, e.g. XML-based formats would be preferable (say, MODS) -- considering the seeminly nice XML support that is already there.) Bibtex is a rather idiosyncratic and LaTeX-centric program, and it already takes some effort to make bibtex believe that ConTeXt is enough like LaTeX to make it work. I do not wish to spend much more time catering for the bizarreness that is bibtex than I already have. The next major release of the module (but don't expect a release anywhere this year) will indeed support MODS through citeproc: http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/citeproc/ Cheers, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] crossref in bibtex
Taco Hoekwater taco at elvenkind.com writes: [.. snip ...] The next major release of the module (but don't expect a release anywhere this year) will indeed support MODS through citeproc: http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/citeproc/ As the author of citeproc (hi Taco!), let me just update people on recent developments there, which are currently in the project subversion repository*, but not yet officially released. First, I have switched to using a particular RDF/XML as the internal representation, and also therefore the primary input format. I will likely be adding back a MODS input driver when I get a chance, but it's no longer the focus. I will also be releasing a schema for this RDF representation for people that need it. The primary reason for this change is that in comparison to MODS, RDF has a consistent model that makes it easier to model reference metadata. It's also fundamentally a relational model, and so easier to integrate with relational databases where needed. Also, I am working with the OpenDocument Technical Committee on a plan to add extensible metadata support using this RDF-based approach, so we hope to adopt this in OpenOffice as well (I am co-project lead for the OOo bib project). Second, I have started porting CiteProc to Ruby (and put a citeproc-py directory in the repo for those python coders that might want to contribute), which might integrate better with ConTeXt. (I suppose Lua might also be an option given the integration with pdftex?) In any case, this will take me a bit of time as a) I don't have much of it, and b) my coding skills aren't that great. But the actual formatting code (Ruby, XSLT, etc.) is to my mind less important than the logic as embedded in the XML citation style language I wrote to configure the formatting. http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/csl/ Bruce * http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/xbiblio/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
