Re: [NTG-context] memoir-style chapter heading
Thank you Otared. The power of ConTeXt never ceases to amaze me, though
despite the excellent work done on the wiki recently, it is the little
things like the use of \raise that could be better described, especially
in a range of applied instances. We find it, combined with hbox, in
reference to marginal and centered headers, but it is not intuitive -
for me at least - to be able to apply it as you have done in your
example. The little process we have gone through, which is step-by-step,
is most helpful, and I feel that I can now use these ideas in other
instances and in slightly different ways. Thank you.
How important is the 'lohi' addition you made to \framed? I removed it
to see what would happen and did not notice any appreciable difference
in the output.
Julian
On 18/8/20 11:19 pm, Otared Kavian wrote:
Hi Julian,
Actually one can tweak more or less the height at which the chapter number
appears: below is an example in which one uses \raise and \hbox.
\setuppagenumbering[state=start,location=footer]
\setuphead[chapter]
[
% numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
%\define[2]\MemoirChapter
% {\startoverlay
% {#1}
% {#2}
% \stopoverlay}
\define[2]\MemoirChapter
{\framed[frame=off,width=broad,align={middle,lohi}]
{\startoverlay
{\raise1.5ex\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[48pt]#1}}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test},ownnumber=1234]
\input knuth.tex
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Best regards: Otared
On 18 Aug 2020, at 11:47, jbf wrote:
Thanks Otared - and whether using the earlier example (Aditya's with my minor
'centering' adjustment)) or yours, I agree - the number is just a bit too low,
and of course, using this method we probably can't make adjustments to that. So
ultimately it looks like I'll have to get my skills up to working with layers
as well as overlays, where minute adjustments of the kind can be made. But
wouldn't it be great if we could just do a bit of vertical adjustment in the
overlay!
Julian
On 18/8/20 6:45 pm, Otared Kavian wrote:
Hi Julian,
Indeed you can modify slightly what Aditya said to obtain what you want: you
can put the overlay into a framed environment as in the following example.
Though, to my taste the number is a little bit too low…
%% begin example
\setuppagenumbering[state=start,location=footer]
\setuphead[chapter]
[
numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
\define[2]\MemoirChapter
{\framed[frame=off,width=broad,align=middle]
{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test}]
\input knuth.tex
\stopchapter
\stoptext
%% end example
Best regards: Otared
On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:18, jbf wrote:
I meant to include an example of what I mean, since at least it seems to work
(am including just the definition part of your example), So at least I can get
middle and right alignment.
\define[2]\MemoirChapter
{\midaligned{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}}
Julian
On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use
to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title
overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would
need to use Metafun to create this...
So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect
without Metafun?
I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how
to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me
to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples.
Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the
manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could
not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had
some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to
\defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the
frame borders). Am I at least correct about this?
You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude
implementation:
\setuphead[chapter]
[
numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
\define[2]\MemoirChapter%
{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test}]
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the
chapter on
Re: [NTG-context] memoir-style chapter heading
Hi Julian,
Indeed you can modify slightly what Aditya said to obtain what you want: you
can put the overlay into a framed environment as in the following example.
Though, to my taste the number is a little bit too low…
%% begin example
\setuppagenumbering[state=start,location=footer]
\setuphead[chapter]
[
numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
\define[2]\MemoirChapter
{\framed[frame=off,width=broad,align=middle]
{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test}]
\input knuth.tex
\stopchapter
\stoptext
%% end example
Best regards: Otared
> On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:18, jbf wrote:
>
> I meant to include an example of what I mean, since at least it seems to work
> (am including just the definition part of your example), So at least I can
> get middle and right alignment.
>
> \define[2]\MemoirChapter
> {\midaligned{\startoverlay
> {#1}
> {#2}
> \stopoverlay}}
>
> Julian
>
> On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
>>
>>> Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use
>>> to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title
>>> overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would
>>> need to use Metafun to create this...
>>>
>>> So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect
>>> without Metafun?
>>>
>>> I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how
>>> to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me
>>> to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples.
>>>
>>> Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the
>>> manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could
>>> not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had
>>> some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to
>>> \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the
>>> frame borders). Am I at least correct about this?
>> You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude
>> implementation:
>>
>> \setuphead[chapter]
>> [
>> numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
>> numbercolor=gray,
>> alternative=command,
>> command=\MemoirChapter,
>> ]
>>
>> \define[2]\MemoirChapter%
>> {\startoverlay
>> {#1}
>> {#2}
>> \stopoverlay}
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startchapter[title={This is a test}]
>> \stopchapter
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the
>> chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an
>> alternative method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that
>> chapter), which is useful if you need absolute positioning.
>>
>> Aditya
>>
>>
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Re: [NTG-context] memoir-style chapter heading
I meant to include an example of what I mean, since at least it seems to
work (am including just the definition part of your example), So at
least I can get middle and right alignment.
\define[2]\MemoirChapter
{\midaligned{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}}
Julian
On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use
to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title
overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would
need to use Metafun to create this...
So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect
without Metafun?
I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how
to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me
to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples.
Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the
manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could
not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had
some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to
\defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the
frame borders). Am I at least correct about this?
You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude
implementation:
\setuphead[chapter]
[
numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
\define[2]\MemoirChapter%
{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test}]
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the
chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative
method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is
useful if you need absolute positioning.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] memoir-style chapter heading
Thanks Aditya. The 'quick and simple' explanation below helps me to
grasp some concepts I had not been clear about earlier. While you say
that overlays 'don't allow tuning' for positioning, is this only in
terms of absolute positioning?
It would be so helpful if we could get at least a middle or right
alignment with this simple approach.
I have read the 'Details' approach you have indicated, though am still
to get my head around it. Understanding overlays is one thing.
Understanding layers yet another.
Julian
On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use
to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title
overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would
need to use Metafun to create this...
So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect
without Metafun?
I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how
to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me
to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples.
Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the
manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could
not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had
some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to
\defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the
frame borders). Am I at least correct about this?
You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude
implementation:
\setuphead[chapter]
[
numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
\define[2]\MemoirChapter%
{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test}]
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the
chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative
method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is
useful if you need absolute positioning.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] memoir-style chapter heading
On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote:
> Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use
> to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title
> overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would
> need to use Metafun to create this...
>
> So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect
> without Metafun?
>
> I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how
> to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me
> to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples.
>
> Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the
> manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could
> not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had
> some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to
> \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the
> frame borders). Am I at least correct about this?
You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude
implementation:
\setuphead[chapter]
[
numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]},
numbercolor=gray,
alternative=command,
command=\MemoirChapter,
]
\define[2]\MemoirChapter%
{\startoverlay
{#1}
{#2}
\stopoverlay}
\starttext
\startchapter[title={This is a test}]
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the
chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative
method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is
useful if you need absolute positioning.
Aditya
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[NTG-context] memoir-style chapter heading
Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would need to use Metafun to create this... So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect without Metafun? I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? Julian ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
