Re: [NTG-context] \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

2008-09-02 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Johan Sandblom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What would be the drawback of allowing

 backgroundcolor=n imply background=color

 and

 backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen

 in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
 issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
 desirable.

 Regards, Johan

backgroundscreen has a default value and with your description
the background will be always gray.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

2008-09-02 Thread Peter Rolf
Johan Sandblom schrieb:
 What would be the drawback of allowing
 
 backgroundcolor=n imply background=color
 
 and
 
 backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen
 
 in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
 issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
 desirable.

The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)


Best Wishes, Peter

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Re: [NTG-context] \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

2008-09-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Peter Rolf wrote:
 Johan Sandblom schrieb:
 What would be the drawback of allowing

 backgroundcolor=n imply background=color

 and

 backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen

 in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
 issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
 desirable.

 The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
 use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
 backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
 'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)

is anyone using screen? deep down it's already mapped onto color anyway 
(the color mechanism will reduce colors anyway) .. if not, we might as 
well remove it from mkiv

Hans

ps. it dates from the time where not all printers could print gray areas 
and fallbacks were needed (fakes, real old code often)

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Re: [NTG-context] \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

2008-09-02 Thread Johan Sandblom
So perhaps as expected it turns out that the limitation was only in my
imagination. Thanks for the responses.

Johan

2008/9/2 Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Johan Sandblom schrieb:
 What would be the drawback of allowing

 backgroundcolor=n imply background=color

 and

 backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen

 in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
 issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
 desirable.

 The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
 use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
 backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
 'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)

 is anyone using screen? deep down it's already mapped onto color anyway
 (the color mechanism will reduce colors anyway) .. if not, we might as
 well remove it from mkiv

 Hans

 ps. it dates from the time where not all printers could print gray areas
 and fallbacks were needed (fakes, real old code often)

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Re: [NTG-context] \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

2008-09-02 Thread Peter Rolf
Johan Sandblom schrieb:
 So perhaps as expected it turns out that the limitation was only in my
 imagination. Thanks for the responses.

It's limited by your main focus. The drawbacks of specialismn (mine is
graphics, so I surely lack the textual part [not always (some would say
most times) aware of it]) :D

 Johan
 
 2008/9/2 Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Johan Sandblom schrieb:
 What would be the drawback of allowing

 backgroundcolor=n imply background=color

 and

 backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen

 in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
 issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
 desirable.

 The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
 use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
 backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
 'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)
 is anyone using screen? deep down it's already mapped onto color anyway
 (the color mechanism will reduce colors anyway) .. if not, we might as
 well remove it from mkiv

I can live without (and it's not a big deal to get the same effect with
a slightly different setup). So if it doesn't hurt too much, cut of the
old pigtails. *ConTeXt is a democratic kingdom* ;)

Regards, Peter

 Hans

 ps. it dates from the time where not all printers could print gray areas
 and fallbacks were needed (fakes, real old code often)

must be from the time before I was born (or realized what a printer is) ...

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