Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Armando Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution, please? Thomas Schmitz told me OpenSuse (which I 've been using for a year...) is not that Tex-friendly... You need to say a bit more about your circumstances and goals. 90% of TeX should work well (excepting experimental bits like luatex, xetex, and ConTeXt MKiV which may need some tweaks) on all current platforms, but if you are constrained by site policy to use binary packages provided by your distribution, that is an entirely different problem from whether you can use TeX Live from CTAN. If you rely heavily on .dvi and want a viewer (e.g., kpdf) that is integrated with your desktop, then your options are more limited, but you should think about switching to a PDF workflow (because it is well supported outside the TeX community, there are more and better tools for PDF than for DVI). -- George N. White III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Peter Münster wrote: You're right, but I've to protect suse a bit: this was only an issue with a very new MKIV (new logic how to use TEXINPUTS), and suse could really not know about that. TEXINPUTS was quite useful, because every user could put his own personal directory in it, and there did not need to be an ls-R file. TeX Live 2008 has TEXMFHOME set to $HOME/texmf in the default configuration file (configured so ls-R is not needed). Well, no offense, I used to be a big fan of SuSE myself (still like it a lot, but their package manager really needs work). But: I just double-checked, and TEXINPUTS is still set on my 11.0 system - even though I don't have any SuSE-provided TeX-system installed. That's really unpardonable. I can understand why they want to set it for their own TeXLive packages, but not on a virgin system without any TeX component. For an inexperienced user who wants to install TeXLive from DVD or via the net installer, this will be a major obstacle. So I think the point remains valid: SuSE is not a TeX-friendly distribution. Having TEXINPUTS set when TeX is not installed is not nice, but it is really a trivial issue. Someone who uses SuSE should post a note explaining how to remove TEXINPUTS (hopefully in a way that will survive updates) and file a bug report with SuSE. Distributions are can only be as TeX friendly as their users -- otherwise you get what is needed to build program documents and no more. -- George N. White III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Wed, Sep 17 2008, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: What's the issue with suse? I'm using it since 1995 without problems. Now I'm just adding the minimals to /opt/context to have up to date luatex and context versions. When I need latex, I use the suse texlive distribution. Cheers, Peter http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080320.203129.aec3fb49.en.html Seems to be fixed now: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=427528 Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Peter Münster wrote: You're right, but I've to protect suse a bit: this was only an issue with a very new MKIV (new logic how to use TEXINPUTS), and suse could really not know about that. TEXINPUTS was quite useful, because every user could put his own personal directory in it, and there did not need to be an ls-R file. Cheers, Peter Well, no offense, I used to be a big fan of SuSE myself (still like it a lot, but their package manager really needs work). But: I just double-checked, and TEXINPUTS is still set on my 11.0 system - even though I don't have any SuSE-provided TeX-system installed. That's really unpardonable. I can understand why they want to set it for their own TeXLive packages, but not on a virgin system without any TeX component. For an inexperienced user who wants to install TeXLive from DVD or via the net installer, this will be a major obstacle. So I think the point remains valid: SuSE is not a TeX-friendly distribution. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Mon, Sep 15 2008, Armando Martins wrote: Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution, please? Thomas Schmitz told me OpenSuse (which I 've been using for a year...) is not that Tex-friendly... Hello, What's the issue with suse? I'm using it since 1995 without problems. Now I'm just adding the minimals to /opt/context to have up to date luatex and context versions. When I need latex, I use the suse texlive distribution. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080320.203129.aec3fb49.en.html Argh :-) Setting TEXINPUTS is not at all friendly, that's for sure. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Wed, Sep 17 2008, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080320.203129.aec3fb49.en.html You're right, but I've to protect suse a bit: this was only an issue with a very new MKIV (new logic how to use TEXINPUTS), and suse could really not know about that. TEXINPUTS was quite useful, because every user could put his own personal directory in it, and there did not need to be an ls-R file. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
2008/9/15 Armando Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution, please? Debian. The maintainer (Norbert Preining) actually visits TeX conferences and was in Bohinj. :-) Thomas Schmitz told me OpenSuse (which I 've been using for a year...) is not that Tex-friendly... IMHO it's not so good as debian, but much better then Red Hat/Fedora or the rest. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
Dne ponedeljek 15. septembra 2008 je Martin Schröder napisal(a): 2008/9/15 Armando Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution, please? Debian. The maintainer (Norbert Preining) actually visits TeX conferences and was in Bohinj. :-) I use Gentoo and am pretty happy with the modular TeX Live ebuilds, but on top of my head, I'd also say Debian would probably be (alongside Slackware and Gentoo) one of the distros with the biggest TeX userbase. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://matija.suklje.name aim: hookofsilver icq: 110183360 jabber/g-talk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: matija_suklje GPG/PGP fingerprint: FB64 FFAF B8DA 5AB5 B18A 98B8 2B68 0B51 0549 D278 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
Armando == Armando Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Armando Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution, Armando please? I'm quite happy with Archlinux (texlive 2008 entered 'extra' repository few days ago). Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Zagreb, Croatia | GPG key: C6E7162D pgpHqZgoMwiTs.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The most Tex friendly distribution?
On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Matija Šuklje wrote: Dne ponedeljek 15. septembra 2008 je Martin Schröder napisal(a): 2008/9/15 Armando Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any idea about the most Tex-friendly Linux distribution, please? Debian. The maintainer (Norbert Preining) actually visits TeX conferences and was in Bohinj. :-) I use Gentoo and am pretty happy with the modular TeX Live ebuilds, but on top of my head, I'd also say Debian would probably be (alongside Slackware and Gentoo) one of the distros with the biggest TeX userbase. If bandwith is an issue (i.e. if you're on a slow connection), modular builds are important. If you have a need for religious service and are convinced locusts and floods will ensue if you install something without using the official (TM) authentic (TM) package manager of your distribution, by all means, choose your distribution very carefully. But if these points aren't important to you, please just use the TeXLive installer on ANY linux distribution and install. TeXLive now has a wonderful tlmgr program which will help you keep up to date; this will probably be much faster than any packaging system (with the possible exception of Debian, unless Norbert is stuck in the mountains without internet access...) SuSE 10.X used to have a habit of setting certain environment variables (such as $TEXINPUTS) without bothering to tell the user about it; I think this is no longer the case in 11.0. I really didn't mean to say that the problems you reported a while ago were connected to your linux distribution. The most important piece of advice I can give: please please please install just one TeX system and STICK WITH IT. Either TeXLive or the TeX system offered by your distribution or the ConTeXt minimals - but not all of them; that would be fine for an advanced user but needlessly confusing for a beginner. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
