[NTG-context] Re: utiliydata
> On 24. Apr 2024, at 17:59, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> grep for "job." (i bet you can figure it out and compensate the embaressment
> that way)
>
> Hans
Nope, very sorry, can’t figure it out… I see job.register, I see I can access
structures.refrences.collected, but what about the next level
utilitydata.structures.references.collected={
[""]={
[“REF"]={
What does the empty key do? And how do I retrieve the value of
REF.references.realpage?
Thomas
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[NTG-context] Re: what are the interaction between \showframe and \realpageno in \startuseMPgraphic ?
garu...@azules.eu schrieb am 20.04.2024 um 23:00:
I can not figure out why this progress bar only works when \showframe is
activated.
When you comment on \showframe, it's as if \realpageno is at zero.
(current version: 2024.04.01 08:59)
\showframe
\startuseMPgraphic{MonGraphisme_MP}
numeric n ; n := \number\realpageno ;
numeric m ; m := \number\lastpageno ;
numeric h ; h := \overlayheight ;
numeric w ; w := \overlaywidth ;
numeric e ; e := 3mm;
numeric r ; r := (((n-1)/(m-1))*w);
fill fullsquare xscaled w yscaled e shifted (w/2, h/2) withcolor darkblue ;
fill fullsquare xscaled r yscaled e shifted (r/2, h/2) withcolor darkred;
\stopuseMPgraphic
\defineoverlay [MonGraphisme_OL] [\useMPgraphic{MonGraphisme_MP}]
\setupbackgrounds [footer] [rightmargin] [background={MonGraphisme_OL}]
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte\page}
\stoptext
Any clue is warmly welcome
You need
\setupbackgrounds[state=repeat]
which is set when you use \showframe.
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
Am 23.04.24 um 23:14 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 23.04.2024 um 21:43: Am 22.04.24 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: I tried to complete https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist, but I don’t understand all parameters. Can anyone explain these please: * state (start stop): what does this en-/disable? collecting entries? * label (yes no none Name): language dependent labels? as a prefix or what? You can use the key to set language dependent texts for the section counters in the list entry, with "yes" the values from the document are used but you can also set whatever label you want. Thank you! So it is related to \setuplabeltext as I suspected, while I didn’t understand why we need label _and_ prefix, until I recognized there’s only pageprefix… (I had prefix in my list of parameters, maybe some MkII leftover). \setuplabeltext [en] [chapter=Chapter , appendix=Appendix , hraban=Hraban ] %\setuplist[chapter][label=hraban,width=3cm] \setuplist[chapter][label=yes,width=3cm] Yes, now I understand. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
Am 24.04.24 um 01:00 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
In the source there is a comment relating to location:
%D Regular list entries are bound to a specific location in order to get the
right
%D pagenumber etc.\ associated. When pushing something inbetween (in mkiv) it
ends
%D up directtly in the list. This is the default because otherwise users will
wonder
%D why spacing might get messed up (due to an unseen but present node). It is
%D possible to force a location by explicitly setting \type {location} to \type
%D {here}.
%D
%D Another way to force a certain order is to set the \type {order} variable
when
%D placing a list. The \type {command} option only pushes commands into the
right
%D order, and \type {all} orders all entries (which might be too much). In this
case
%D no specific location is needed with the inbetween method. Maybe additional
%D mechanisms show up some day. See \type {inbetween-001.tex} for an example.
I don't really understand what capability the comment is referring to let alone
be able to create an example demonstrating the difference.
Thank you, so it looks like "location=here" is only used with
\writebetweenlist to get the current page number.
Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
On 4/24/24 02:15, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
> [...] Any idea how I can get current footnote value?
Hi Joel,
current footnote value can be accessed with \rawcountervalue[footnote],
such as in:
\starttext
\dorecurse{25}
{\ \footnote{Footnote \recurselevel}:
\rawcountervalue[footnote]\par}
\stoptext
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: utiliydata
On 4/24/2024 5:41 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, I’m slightly embarrassed because this should be easy, but I can’t figure out how to do this: in the tuc/tua file, I have the complete references of my document. How can I access it from within my Lua code? For instance, something like utilitydata.structures.references.collected.”MyReference”.references.realpage How can this be accessed? grep for "job." (i bet you can figure it out and compensate the embaressment that way) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] utiliydata
Hi all, I’m slightly embarrassed because this should be easy, but I can’t figure out how to do this: in the tuc/tua file, I have the complete references of my document. How can I access it from within my Lua code? For instance, something like utilitydata.structures.references.collected.”MyReference”.references.realpage How can this be accessed? Thanks a lot and best wishes Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
> On 23 Apr 2024, at 20:43, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
> Am 22.04.24 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>> I tried to complete https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist, but I
>> don’t understand all parameters.
>> Can anyone explain these please:
>> * state (start stop): what does this en-/disable? collecting entries?
>> * label (yes no none Name): language dependent labels? as a prefix or what?
>> * location (none, here): disable placement? when makes this sense?
>> * symbol (one two three none default): where is this used?
>
> One solved, still 4 to go… Please, anyone who used these?
In the source there is a comment relating to location:
%D Regular list entries are bound to a specific location in order to get the
right
%D pagenumber etc.\ associated. When pushing something inbetween (in mkiv) it
ends
%D up directtly in the list. This is the default because otherwise users will
wonder
%D why spacing might get messed up (due to an unseen but present node). It is
%D possible to force a location by explicitly setting \type {location} to \type
%D {here}.
%D
%D Another way to force a certain order is to set the \type {order} variable
when
%D placing a list. The \type {command} option only pushes commands into the
right
%D order, and \type {all} orders all entries (which might be too much). In this
case
%D no specific location is needed with the inbetween method. Maybe additional
%D mechanisms show up some day. See \type {inbetween-001.tex} for an example.
I don't really understand what capability the comment is referring to let alone
be able to create an example demonstrating the difference.
—
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK
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[NTG-context] Re: Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
Okay, I've been trying many things with this \startpostponing code--if I
understand what's happening, its moving the figures to a later page. I'm not
sure that's quite ideal, its not fully working with my actual documents, and
leaves lots of empty white space, when I'm already in a situation where I need
to reduce page count.
So I thought an alternative route:
(1) have a code that checks "what is current footnote number?" that sets that
as a variable
\def\currentfoodnote{\somevariableincontextthatgetsfoodnotenumber}
(2) adjust my placefigure macro such that the footnote is outside the
placefigure, but color it white so its invisible:
\define\showafigure{
\cite[author2019]<--somehow hide this invisible
\placefigure{Caption\superscript{\currentfootnote}}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
<--this places a superscript number inside the caption, but it isn't the true
marker(3) in the caption, place a superscript number with value to
\currentfootnoteIts basically a fake footnote, just a superscript number of the
same value as the real footnote.
Shouldn't this result work? Any idea how I can get current footnote value?
--Joel
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 07:22:24 AM MDT, vm via ntg-context
wrote:
On 22/04/2024 14:38, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
> Is this the correct way to be using the \startpostponing code (see
> example below)?
>
> \starttext
> \input knuth
> \startpostponing
> \placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
> A}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
> \stoppostponing
> \stoppostponing
double stop ?
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[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 23.04.2024 um 21:43:
Am 22.04.24 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
I tried to complete https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist,
but I don’t understand all parameters.
Can anyone explain these please:
* state (start stop): what does this en-/disable? collecting entries?
* label (yes no none Name): language dependent labels? as a prefix or
what?
You can use the key to set language dependent texts for the section
counters in the list entry, with "yes" the values from the document are
used but you can also set whatever label you want.
\setuplabeltext
[en]
[chapter=Chapter ,
appendix=Appendix ,
hraban=Hraban ]
%\setuplist[chapter][label=hraban,width=3cm]
\setuplist[chapter][label=yes,width=3cm]
\starttext
\startfrontmatter
\completecontent
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
\chapter{First chapter}
\chapter{Second chapter}
\stopbodymatter
\startappendices
\chapter{First appendix}
\stopappendices
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
Am 22.04.24 um 18:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: I tried to complete https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist, but I don’t understand all parameters. Can anyone explain these please: * state (start stop): what does this en-/disable? collecting entries? * label (yes no none Name): language dependent labels? as a prefix or what? * location (none, here): disable placement? when makes this sense? * symbol (one two three none default): where is this used? One solved, still 4 to go… Please, anyone who used these? Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Combine lua and btx setup, was: Re: Customize citation format of a bibliography (use the short form as reference format)
Here is a solution for the first part of my question. This is based on
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg101156.html
and try and error based on publ-imp-aps.mkvi and publ-imp-apa.mkvi:
It display now the citation _and_ numbering labels in the short form:
```
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\startbuffer[testdata]
@Book{knuth1,
author = {Donald E. Knuth},
title = {TEX and METAFONT. New directions in typesetting},
year = {1979},
publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
}
@Article{someother,
author = {Some Person and Some Otherperson},
title = {Another title},
year = {1900},
}
\stopbuffer
% enable tracing
\enabletrackers[publications, publications.crossref, publications.details,
publications.cite, publications.strings]
\usebtxdataset[main][testdata.buffer]
\usebtxdefinitions[aps]
\setupbtx[dataset=main]
\definebtxrendering[bibrendering][aps][dataset=main, numbering=short]
\setupbtxlist[aps][
alternative=b,
distance=.5em,
]
\setupbtx[aps:cite][alternative=short]
\starttext
Knuth developed \TeX \cite[knuth1]
Several persons said something \cite[someother].
\placelistofpublications[bibrendering]
\stoptext
```
The remaining part now is to mark publications of Knuth in a different way.
I have tried this and failed. Here is my code so far:
```
\startluacode
function render_cite(short, author)
print(author)
if author:lower():find("knuth") then
context("[>" .. short .. "]")
else
context("[" .. short .. "]")
end
end
\stopluacode
\definebtx[aps:cite:special][aps:cite]
\startsetups btx:aps:cite:special
\btxcitereference
\ctxlua{render_cite([==[\btxflush{year}]==], [==[\btxflush{author}]==])}
\stopsetups
% use it with \cite[special][knuth1]
```
This has several problems:
- \btxflush{short} does not work as I expected that. How can I get the short
form?
- \btxflush to pass arguments to lua does not work as intended. On the lua side
the
variable "author" resolves to "\btxflushauthor{author}" and not to "D. E.
Knuth".
How can I pass the data?
I use Lua only because I find it more convenient as a programming language. If a
plain tex solution is simpler, I'm happy to use that.
Another question that came up while studying the source code:
What effect have \c!, \s!, and \v!? These commands exist a lot in the above
cited files.
Gerion
Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2024, 15:44:12 MESZ schrieb Gerion Entrup:
> Hi,
>
> > The APS style is an example of a number-based citation system. As you
> > are looking for a tag-based citation, it might be better to start with
> > something like the APA style.
>
> I'm kind of satisfied with the publication-list layout of the APS style so I
> chose
> this as a base. If it is simpler to start with the APA style, I can do that.
>
> My hope is that it is possible to just change the "label" that is used for
> referencing and keep everything else as is.
>
> > Is there some specification for your short tag-based citation style?
>
> biblatex implements this with the "alphabetic" style. I'm not aware of
> a specification, though. Does the "short" form in ConTeXt exist for a
> specific reason? :)
>
> Gerion
>
> > On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 06:04:35 +0200
> > Gerion Entrup wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to customize a cite format in a bibliography. Currently,
> > > I'm using the aps style which fits so far, except of the plain number
> > > as reference. In concrete, I want to change the following:
> > > - Use the first letter of the last name and the year as reference
> > > (this should be exactly the short form). It is more less also
> > > described here [1].
> > > - Highlight publications of a certain author with an extra char (e.g.
> > > '>')
> > >
> > > Here is a minimal example (lets assume, every occurrence of Knuth
> > > should be highlighted): ```
> > > \setupinteraction[state=start]
> > >
> > > \startbuffer[testdata]
> > > @Book{knuth1,
> > > author = {Donald E. Knuth},
> > > title = {TEX and METAFONT. New directions in typesetting},
> > > year = {1979},
> > > publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
> > > }
> > > @Article{someother,
> > > author = {Some Person and Some Otherperson},
> > > title = {Another title},
> > > year = {1900},
> > > }
> > > \stopbuffer
> > >
> > > % enable tracing
> > > \enabletrackers[publications, publications.crossref,
> > > publications.details, publications.cite, publications.strings]
[NTG-context] Re: Why are ConTeXt-SBL endnotes empty?
Changing location=none to location=text still left me with the bullet points
appearing in a big list at the end of my chapter, but without any messages in
them.
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 07:54:39 AM MDT, Joel via ntg-context
wrote:
A few years back, I tried using endnotes with ConTeXt-SBL, and it failed to
compile. I'm forced to try again (due to some other issue with footnotes), and
instead of compiling to error, it compiles, but the footnote's message ends up
being empty.
Why is it appearing empty? Is there a fix?
Here is a minimum working example:
\usemodule[publ-imp-sbl]
\startbuffer [bib]
@Article{na2006,
title={Volcanoes \word{of} New Mexico},
year={2006},
journal={New Mexico Earth Matters},
publisher={New Mexico Bureau \word{of} Geology \word{and} Mineral Resources},
volume={6},
number={1},
location={Socorro, New Mexico}
}
@Book{clark1989,
author = {Clark, William},
title = {Railroads \word{and} railroad towns \word{in} New Mexico},
publisher = {New Mexico Magazine},
year = {1989},
address = {Albuquerque, New Mexico},
isbn = {9780937206126}
}
\stopbuffer
\usebtxdataset[bib.buffer]
\setupbtx[dataset=default]
\usebtxdefinitions[sbl]
\setupbtx[sbl]
\setupnote[footnote][location=none]
\starttext
\input knuth
\cite[clark1989]
\placenotes[footnote]
\startchapter[title=Bibliography]
\placelistofpublications
\stopchapter
\stoptext
--Joel
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[NTG-context] Re: Why are ConTeXt-SBL endnotes empty?
See here :
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Footnotes
Jean-Pierre
> Le 22 avr. 2024 à 16:47, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
> a écrit :
>
> On 4/22/24 15:51, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
>> A few years back, I tried using endnotes with ConTeXt-SBL, and it failed
>> to compile. I'm forced to try again (due to some other issue with
>> footnotes), and instead of compiling to error, it compiles, but the
>> footnote's message ends up being empty.
>>
>> Why is it appearing empty? Is there a fix?
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> the bibliography part doesn’t work for me at all.
>
> But notes may be placed as their location is text (and you add a real
> footnote).
>
> This works fine:
>
> \setupnote[footnote][location=text]
>
> \starttext
> \input knuth
> \footnote{Footnote}
> \cite[clark1989]
>
> \placenotes[footnote]
>
> \startchapter[title=Bibliography]
> \placelistofpublications
> \stopchapter
> \stoptext
>
> I never used a bibliography in ConTeXt, so that part is left to you.
>
> I hope it helps,
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
Am 22.04.24 um 18:30 schrieb Duncan Hothersall: Hi Hraban, I can help with one - aligntitle means an unnumbered section will align in the table of contents under the number rather than the title. So for example if you have a TOC combining \section and \subject entries, they would look like this: 1 ... A section A subject rather than 1 ... A section .. A subject Thank you! I added it in the wiki. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: documentation: parameters of \setuplist
Hi Hraban, I can help with one - aligntitle means an unnumbered section will align in the table of contents under the number rather than the title. So for example if you have a TOC combining \section and \subject entries, they would look like this: 1 ... A section A subject rather than 1 ... A section .. A subject Duncan On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 17:09, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > I tried to complete https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist, > but I don’t understand all parameters. > > Can anyone explain these please: > > * state (start stop): what does this en-/disable? collecting entries? > * label (yes no none Name): language dependent labels? as a prefix or what? > * location (none, here): disable placement? when makes this sense? > * aligntitle (yes no): align which part to what? > * symbol (one two three none default): where is this used? > > > Expect more questions… > > Hraban > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) > archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context > wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net > > ___ > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] documentation: parameters of \setuplist
I tried to complete https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist, but I don’t understand all parameters. Can anyone explain these please: * state (start stop): what does this en-/disable? collecting entries? * label (yes no none Name): language dependent labels? as a prefix or what? * location (none, here): disable placement? when makes this sense? * aligntitle (yes no): align which part to what? * symbol (one two three none default): where is this used? Expect more questions… Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Why are ConTeXt-SBL endnotes empty?
On 4/22/24 15:51, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
> A few years back, I tried using endnotes with ConTeXt-SBL, and it failed
> to compile. I'm forced to try again (due to some other issue with
> footnotes), and instead of compiling to error, it compiles, but the
> footnote's message ends up being empty.
>
> Why is it appearing empty? Is there a fix?
Hi Joel,
the bibliography part doesn’t work for me at all.
But notes may be placed as their location is text (and you add a real
footnote).
This works fine:
\setupnote[footnote][location=text]
\starttext
\input knuth
\footnote{Footnote}
\cite[clark1989]
\placenotes[footnote]
\startchapter[title=Bibliography]
\placelistofpublications
\stopchapter
\stoptext
I never used a bibliography in ConTeXt, so that part is left to you.
I hope it helps,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Why are ConTeXt-SBL endnotes empty?
A few years back, I tried using endnotes with ConTeXt-SBL, and it failed to
compile. I'm forced to try again (due to some other issue with footnotes), and
instead of compiling to error, it compiles, but the footnote's message ends up
being empty.
Why is it appearing empty? Is there a fix?
Here is a minimum working example:
\usemodule[publ-imp-sbl]
\startbuffer [bib]
@Article{na2006,
title={Volcanoes \word{of} New Mexico},
year={2006},
journal={New Mexico Earth Matters},
publisher={New Mexico Bureau \word{of} Geology \word{and} Mineral Resources},
volume={6},
number={1},
location={Socorro, New Mexico}
}
@Book{clark1989,
author = {Clark, William},
title = {Railroads \word{and} railroad towns \word{in} New Mexico},
publisher = {New Mexico Magazine},
year = {1989},
address = {Albuquerque, New Mexico},
isbn = {9780937206126}
}
\stopbuffer
\usebtxdataset[bib.buffer]
\setupbtx[dataset=default]
\usebtxdefinitions[sbl]
\setupbtx[sbl]
\setupnote[footnote][location=none]
\starttext
\input knuth
\cite[clark1989]
\placenotes[footnote]
\startchapter[title=Bibliography]
\placelistofpublications
\stopchapter
\stoptext
--Joel
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[NTG-context] Re: Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
On 22/04/2024 14:38, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
Is this the correct way to be using the \startpostponing code (see
example below)?
\starttext
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
A}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\stoppostponing
double stop ?
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[NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ?
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Wolfgang Schuster > Gesendet: Samstag, 20. April 2024 11:56 > An: Denis Maier > Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; denis.ma...@unibe.ch > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ? > > Denis Maier schrieb am 19.04.2024 um 22:55: > > >> Wolfgang Schuster hat am > >> 19.04.2024 20:32 CEST geschrieben: > >> denis.ma...@unibe.ch schrieb am 10.04.2024 um 12:47: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Shouldn’t minwidth set a default minimal width for external figures? > >>> But this here does not work > >>> > >>> [...] > >>> > >>> Am I missing something here? > >> > >> There are no minwidth/minheight values for \externalfigure. > >> > >> Wolfgang > >> > > So the wiki is wrong here? > > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupexternalfigure > > Yes the comment at the end of page is wrong and the text about the strut > setting can also be removed, only the orientation value is missing in the > command table. > > Wolfgang Thanks you for the clarification, Wolfgang. I've changed the wiki page. Best, Denis ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
I've managed to get a minimum working example. If you check, you'll see the
5th footnote inside a placefigure doesn't render anywhere:
\starttext
\input knuth
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
A}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\input knuth
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
B}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\input knuth
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
C}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\input knuth
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
D}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\input knuth
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
E}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\input knuth
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
F}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoptext
Is this the correct way to be using the \startpostponing code (see example
below)?
\starttext
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
A}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\stoppostponing
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
B}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
C}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
D}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
E}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\input knuth
\startpostponing
\placefigure{Caption\footnote{message
F}}{\externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]}
\stoppostponing
\stoptext
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 02:31:30 AM MDT, Hans Hagen via ntg-context
wrote:
On 4/22/2024 2:45 AM, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
> I'm three days out from sending my work to an editor, and found some
> serious problem: many footnotes just aren't rendering.
>
> I have a history text that uses ConTeXt-SBL for the citations, as such,
> it has lots of footnotes. Sometimes the footnotes are just in the main
> text, but sometimes also in figure captions, inside floats, inside
> tables that are inside floats, inside tabulations inside floats, etc.
>
> What I find alarming is it is frequently not rendering all of the
> footnote messages at the bottom of the page. The actual footnote number
> within the body is rendered, but no number is listed in at the bottom of
> the page. So I might see a list of footnotes, for instance, on page 1, I
> only get footnotes 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, but 4 was mysteriously skipped.
>
>
> ---
> 1 message
> 2 message
> 3 message
> 5 message
> 6 message
>
> After a lot of trial-and-error and checking logs and checking my BibTeX
> files for errors, running everything through BibTex Tidy, etc., and
> failures to make a minimum working example, I found a single pattern:
>
> If the footnote marker appears on the SAME page as the footnote text, it
> has no problem rendering the footnote. But, if ConTeXt decides to move a
> float a page or two later on--as it frequently seems to do---such that
> the footnote marker and footnote text at bottom of page should be on
> DIFFERENT pages, the footnote message at the bottom of the page won't
> render.
>
> I've seen some 2+ year old mailing list posts suggesting ConTeXt might
> have issues with footnotes; they appear to be similar to my issue--is
> that still a problem? Is there a fix or workaround? Old fixes I could
> finding in the mailing list don't seem to work with current versions of
> ConTeXt anymore.
you need to consider the complications of such notes ...
- tex needs to take the notes into account when determining a page break
- it does so by the insert mechanism
- when floats can't be placed they also become inserts (top and bottom)
- when there are inserts in inserts th eproblem becomes more complex (so
notes inside floats)
- in traditional tex deeply burried inserts disappearm less so in lmtx
There are things that are hard to get right. This works:
\startpostponing
\startplacefigure[location=here,title={test \footnote{oeps 1}}]
\blackrule[width=1tw]
here
\footnote{hello 1} and
\footnote{hello 2} and
\footnote{hello 3} done
\stopplacefigure
\stoppostponing
\dorecurse{10}{\samplefile{tufte}\par}
Because here the inserts (notes) will migrate but even then one can get
them out of order (unless we renumber, which then is sensitiev for
oscillation).
I occasionally wonder if top floats could be done more directly but
bottom notes still would have an out-of-sync problem
-
Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
Ridd
[NTG-context] floats re-ordering and numbering
Hi,
I've found that occasionally the order of floats change, but the numbering
still reflects the order in the input file. Is that the intended behaviour? Is
there a way to number to floats according to their order in the (visual) output?
Best,
Denis
%%%
\setupexternalfigures
[location={local,global,default}]
\setupfloats[compress=no]
\setupfloat[figure][default=top]
\starttext
\input knuth
\placefigure{Cow 1}{\externalfigure[cow][
width=.5\textwidth,
]}
\placefigure{Cow 2}{\externalfigure[cow][
width=.8\textwidth,
]}
\placefigure{Cow 3}{\externalfigure[cow][
width=.7\textwidth,
]}
\stoptext
%%%
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[NTG-context] Re: Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
On 4/22/2024 2:45 AM, Joel via ntg-context wrote:
I'm three days out from sending my work to an editor, and found some
serious problem: many footnotes just aren't rendering.
I have a history text that uses ConTeXt-SBL for the citations, as such,
it has lots of footnotes. Sometimes the footnotes are just in the main
text, but sometimes also in figure captions, inside floats, inside
tables that are inside floats, inside tabulations inside floats, etc.
What I find alarming is it is frequently not rendering all of the
footnote messages at the bottom of the page. The actual footnote number
within the body is rendered, but no number is listed in at the bottom of
the page. So I might see a list of footnotes, for instance, on page 1, I
only get footnotes 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, but 4 was mysteriously skipped.
---
1 message
2 message
3 message
5 message
6 message
After a lot of trial-and-error and checking logs and checking my BibTeX
files for errors, running everything through BibTex Tidy, etc., and
failures to make a minimum working example, I found a single pattern:
If the footnote marker appears on the SAME page as the footnote text, it
has no problem rendering the footnote. But, if ConTeXt decides to move a
float a page or two later on--as it frequently seems to do---such that
the footnote marker and footnote text at bottom of page should be on
DIFFERENT pages, the footnote message at the bottom of the page won't
render.
I've seen some 2+ year old mailing list posts suggesting ConTeXt might
have issues with footnotes; they appear to be similar to my issue--is
that still a problem? Is there a fix or workaround? Old fixes I could
finding in the mailing list don't seem to work with current versions of
ConTeXt anymore.
you need to consider the complications of such notes ...
- tex needs to take the notes into account when determining a page break
- it does so by the insert mechanism
- when floats can't be placed they also become inserts (top and bottom)
- when there are inserts in inserts th eproblem becomes more complex (so
notes inside floats)
- in traditional tex deeply burried inserts disappearm less so in lmtx
There are things that are hard to get right. This works:
\startpostponing
\startplacefigure[location=here,title={test \footnote{oeps 1}}]
\blackrule[width=1tw]
here
\footnote{hello 1} and
\footnote{hello 2} and
\footnote{hello 3} done
\stopplacefigure
\stoppostponing
\dorecurse{10}{\samplefile{tufte}\par}
Because here the inserts (notes) will migrate but even then one can get
them out of order (unless we renumber, which then is sensitiev for
oscillation).
I occasionally wonder if top floats could be done more directly but
bottom notes still would have an out-of-sync problem
-
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Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
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[NTG-context] Re: Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
On 4/22/24 02:45, Joel via ntg-context wrote: > I'm three days out from sending my work to an editor, and found some > serious problem: many footnotes just aren't rendering. Joel, please provide a minimal sample, otherwise it is really hard to help. > I've seen some 2+ year old mailing list posts suggesting ConTeXt might > have issues with footnotes; they appear to be similar to my issue--is > that still a problem? Is there a fix or workaround? Old fixes I could > finding in the mailing list don't seem to work with current versions of > ConTeXt anymore. \postponenotes and \flushnotes might be an option. \setlocalfootnotes and \placelocalfootnotes might be another option. Just in case it might help, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Why don't footnotes appear in floats or figures?
I'm three days out from sending my work to an editor, and found some serious problem: many footnotes just aren't rendering. I have a history text that uses ConTeXt-SBL for the citations, as such, it has lots of footnotes. Sometimes the footnotes are just in the main text, but sometimes also in figure captions, inside floats, inside tables that are inside floats, inside tabulations inside floats, etc. What I find alarming is it is frequently not rendering all of the footnote messages at the bottom of the page. The actual footnote number within the body is rendered, but no number is listed in at the bottom of the page. So I might see a list of footnotes, for instance, on page 1, I only get footnotes 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6, but 4 was mysteriously skipped. ---1 message2 message3 message5 message6 message After a lot of trial-and-error and checking logs and checking my BibTeX files for errors, running everything through BibTex Tidy, etc., and failures to make a minimum working example, I found a single pattern: If the footnote marker appears on the SAME page as the footnote text, it has no problem rendering the footnote. But, if ConTeXt decides to move a float a page or two later on--as it frequently seems to do---such that the footnote marker and footnote text at bottom of page should be on DIFFERENT pages, the footnote message at the bottom of the page won't render. I've seen some 2+ year old mailing list posts suggesting ConTeXt might have issues with footnotes; they appear to be similar to my issue--is that still a problem? Is there a fix or workaround? Old fixes I could finding in the mailing list don't seem to work with current versions of ConTeXt anymore. --Joel___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: kpfonts
Thanks a lot
In the wiki there is no mention to that, isn't there?
Xavier
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:08:21 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster ha escrit:
> Xavier B. schrieb am 20.04.2024 um 13:51:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just a courious: is there kpfonts available for context?
> > I love kpfonts.
>
> \setupbodyfont[kpfonts]
>
> \starttext
> \samplefile{lorem}
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: [off topic] non-English programming languages: Arab and Cuneiform
Oh, I do, fascinating stuff! Regarding languages, I also came by a very interesting writing system, called Ditema tsa Dinoko, designed to write different african languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditema_tsa_Dinoko Not really a programming language, but I could see one developing from this, and it would be gorgeous. El sáb, 20 abr 2024 a las 16:52, Henning Hraban Ramm () escribió: > Came across this, I guess some of you might find it interesting: > > https://nas.sr/%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8/ > > https://github.com/MrLogarithm/emeszida > > > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) > archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context > wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net > > ___ > -- Andrés Conrado Montoya Andi Kú andresconr...@gmail.com http://sesentaycuatro.com http://messier87.com http://chiquitico.org Los fines no justifican los medios, porque la medida verdadera de nuestro carácter está dada por los medios que estamos dispuestos a utilizar, no por los fines que proclamamos. “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch.’” — Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] [off topic] non-English programming languages: Arab and Cuneiform
Came across this, I guess some of you might find it interesting: https://nas.sr/%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8/ https://github.com/MrLogarithm/emeszida ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] what are the interaction between \showframe and \realpageno in \startuseMPgraphic ?
I can not figure out why this progress bar only works when \showframe is
activated.
When you comment on \showframe, it's as if \realpageno is at zero.
(current version: 2024.04.01 08:59)
\showframe
\startuseMPgraphic{MonGraphisme_MP}
numeric n ; n := \number\realpageno ;
numeric m ; m := \number\lastpageno ;
numeric h ; h := \overlayheight ;
numeric w ; w := \overlaywidth ;
numeric e ; e := 3mm;
numeric r ; r := (((n-1)/(m-1))*w);
fill fullsquare xscaled w yscaled e shifted (w/2, h/2) withcolor darkblue ;
fill fullsquare xscaled r yscaled e shifted (r/2, h/2) withcolor darkred;
\stopuseMPgraphic
\defineoverlay [MonGraphisme_OL] [\useMPgraphic{MonGraphisme_MP}]
\setupbackgrounds [footer] [rightmargin] [background={MonGraphisme_OL}]
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte\page}
\stoptext
Any clue is warmly welcome
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[NTG-context] Re: kpfonts
Mikael Sundqvist schrieb am 20.04.2024 um 14:04: Hi, On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:03 PM Xavier B. wrote: Hi, Just a courious: is there kpfonts available for context? I love kpfonts. Thanks in advance, Xavier Yes, just download the fonts and do \setupbodyfont[kpfonts] The fonts are included in the LMTX installation. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: kpfonts
Xavier B. schrieb am 20.04.2024 um 13:51:
Hi,
Just a courious: is there kpfonts available for context?
I love kpfonts.
\setupbodyfont[kpfonts]
\starttext
\samplefile{lorem}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Hi, On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:03 PM Xavier B. wrote: > > Hi, > > Just a courious: is there kpfonts available for context? > I love kpfonts. > > Thanks in advance, > Xavier Yes, just download the fonts and do \setupbodyfont[kpfonts] /Mikael ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] kpfonts
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[NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ?
Denis Maier schrieb am 19.04.2024 um 22:55: Wolfgang Schuster hat am 19.04.2024 20:32 CEST geschrieben: denis.ma...@unibe.ch schrieb am 10.04.2024 um 12:47: Hi, Shouldn’t minwidth set a default minimal width for external figures? But this here does not work [...] Am I missing something here? There are no minwidth/minheight values for \externalfigure. Wolfgang So the wiki is wrong here? https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupexternalfigure Yes the comment at the end of page is wrong and the text about the strut setting can also be removed, only the orientation value is missing in the command table. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: How to isolate serious errors from warnings?
> On 18 Apr 2024, at 01:09, Joel via ntg-context wrote: ... > Or maybe to use > to send the errors to another file for careful study? > (using Linux if that matters) You can run the job from the command line and redirect to a file: $ context file.tex > output.log 2>&1 but that is essentially the same as the .log file that is produced by default when you run from the command line. As your book is large you could try adding \writestatus commands at suitable points so that when your messages appear in the log you know that processing reached that far in the book. Also you could use \writestatus to output messages before and after known problem areas so you can look to see if there is any telltale output in the log and then search for that elsewhere. HTH — Bruce Horrocks Hampshire, UK ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ?
Wolfgang Schuster hat am 19.04.2024 20:32 CEST geschrieben:
denis.ma...@unibe.ch schrieb am 10.04.2024 um 12:47:
Hi,
Shouldn’t minwidth set a default minimal width for external figures? But this here does not work
==
\setupexternalfigures
[
maxwidth=\textwidth,
minwidth=\textwidth,
location={local,global,default},
]
\starttext
\externalfigure[cow.pdf]
\externalfigure[cow.pdf][width=\textwidth]
\stoptext
==
Am I missing something here?
There are no minwidth/minheight values for \externalfigure.
Wolfgang
So the wiki is wrong here? https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupexternalfigure
Denis
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[NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ?
denis.ma...@unibe.ch schrieb am 10.04.2024 um 12:47:
Hi,
Shouldn’t minwidth set a default minimal width for external figures?
But this here does not work
==
\setupexternalfigures
[
maxwidth=\textwidth,
minwidth=\textwidth,
location={local,global,default},
]
\starttext
\externalfigure[cow.pdf]
\externalfigure[cow.pdf][width=\textwidth]
\stoptext
==
Am I missing something here?
There are no minwidth/minheight values for \externalfigure.
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: Weird (?) float placement for specific widths of image
Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 19.04.2024 um 17:48: Hi again, just a quick follow up on this one. Can anyone reproduce this? Would be good to know how this can be fixed. I have this in a real document, and as I’m typesetting a XML source I cannot just adjust slightly adjust the dimensions to get rid of that. \setupfloats[compress=no] Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Weird (?) float placement for specific widths of image
On 4/19/24 17:48, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> just a quick follow up on this one. Can anyone reproduce this?
Hi Denis,
I can reproduce it.
> Would be good to know how this can be fixed. I have this in a real
> document, and as I’m typesetting a XML source I cannot just adjust
> slightly adjust the dimensions to get rid of that.
It seems that you can place the figures somehow
(https://www.pragma-ade.nl/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf#page=169):
See the extreme example:
\showframe\showgrid\showstruts
\setupexternalfigures
[location={local,global,default}]
\starttext
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][
height=.5\textheight,
]}
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][
height=.3\textheight,
%height=.4\textheight,
]}
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][
width=3cm,
%width=2cm,
]}
\placefigure[inleft]{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm]}
\placefigure[inright]{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm]}
\stoptext
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ?
On 4/19/24 17:51, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> another follow up. Can anyone confirm this issue? Is there a way to set
> the minimal width of graphics?
Hi Denis,
maximum widht or height work fine, but their minimum counterparts seem
not to be working at all:
\showframe
\starttext
\doloopoverlist{none, width, height, maxwidth, maxheight}
{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][\recursestring=.125\textwidth]}
\page
\doloopoverlist{none, width, height, minwidth, minheight}
{\externalfigure[cow.pdf][\recursestring=.33\textwidth]}
\stoptext
Just to confirm the issue,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: minwidth not working ?
Hi again,
another follow up. Can anyone confirm this issue? Is there a way to set the
minimal width of graphics?
Best,
Denis
Von: Maier, Denis Christian (UB)
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. April 2024 12:47
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Betreff: minwidth not working ?
Hi,
Shouldn't minwidth set a default minimal width for external figures? But
this here does not work
==
\setupexternalfigures
[
maxwidth=\textwidth,
minwidth=\textwidth,
location={local,global,default},
]
\starttext
\externalfigure[cow.pdf]
\externalfigure[cow.pdf][width=\textwidth]
\stoptext
==
Am I missing something here?
Best,
Denis
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[NTG-context] Re: Weird (?) float placement for specific widths of image
Hi again,
just a quick follow up on this one. Can anyone reproduce this?
Would be good to know how this can be fixed. I have this in a real document,
and as I'm typesetting a XML source I cannot just adjust slightly adjust the
dimensions to get rid of that.
Best,
Denis
Von: denisma...@mailbox.org
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. April 2024 13:37
An: 'ntg-context@ntg.nl'
Betreff: Weird (?) float placement for specific widths of image
Hi,
another graphics/floats question: consider the following example
%
\setupexternalfigures
[location={local,global,default}]
\starttext
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][
height=.5\textheight,
]}
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][
height=.3\textheight,
%height=.4\textheight,
]}
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][
width=3cm,
%width=2cm,
]}
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm]}
\placefigure{A Cow}{\externalfigure[cow][width=2cm]}
\stoptext%
On the first page, the images appear stacked above each other while on the
second page they appear next to each other.
It took me some time to reproduce this behaviour, and I can't claim to
understand what is happening. But it seems to be related to the specific
widths of the images. When I change them to other values the behaviour
disappears. Is this a bug? Anything I can do about this?
Best
Denis
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[NTG-context] Re: How to isolate serious errors from warnings?
On 4/18/2024 8:26 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 18.04.24 um 02:09 schrieb Joel via ntg-context: I'm about to have a lengthy (2,000+ page) document published. Normally if it compiles and looks okay, I regard that as meaning no errors appeared, but I've noticed that sometimes ConTeXt will still compile, even if something isn't displayed on screen as it should: (1) I tried placing a table inside a startitemize environment, as instead of it not compiling, it left a message in the document warning that wasn't supported. (2) In another case, I had an image that ConTeXt couldn't find, as I mispelled the filenmame, and it fully compiled and made a PDF, without me noticing. (3) Or maybe in some case, a font couldn't be found for a specific character, so a single character in the file isn't displaying. Those are just some examples; I intended for something to be printed on the PDF, but it isn't showing there. Since a document of this size will have a lot of messages, is there a way to adjust the settings, from "show everything" to "show some" to "show only serious errors"? Or maybe to use > to send the errors to another file for careful study? (using Linux if that matters) You can enable trackers like \enabletrackers[figures.*] But that just gives more log messages for debugging. You get the list of all trackers with: context --global m-trackers.mkiv For your use case, directives are more helpful, like \enabledirectives[logs.errors=*] (i.e. break at every error) AFAIK that just handles missing characters, references and modules ATM, but this information might be outdated. You get all directives with context --global m-directives.mkiv often the log files has some summaries at the end - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
> On 17 Apr 2024, at 13:17, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > Am 17.04.24 um 13:57 schrieb Bruce Horrocks: >> - There are at least two books, and a third being written but not yet >> released: these fit into the Tutorials and Explanation quadrants. > > Which published books do you mean? Not published in the sense of having an ISBN assigned but the ones I had in mind were: - "ConTeXt Mark IV An Excursion" by Ton Otten (ma-cd-en.pdf in the distribution) - "A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV" by Joaquín Ataz-López and your in-progress one. Regards, — Bruce Horrocks Hampshire, UK ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: preventing column break after section title
On Thu, Apr 18 2024, Peter Münster wrote: > How could I prevent a column break after the second section title please? Ok, found it: \setupitemize[each][autointro] -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] preventing column break after section title
Hi,
How could I prevent a column break after the second section title please?
Minimal example:
\starttext
\startcolumns[n=2]
\section{title 1}
\dorecurse{22}{bla\par}
\section{title 2} % Here starts a new column.
\startitemize
\dorecurse{15}{\item bla}
\stopitemize
\stopcolumns
\stoptext
I’ve tried "\setuphead[section][after={\columnbreak[no]}]", but it does
not help.
TIA for any hints,
--
Peter
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[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Am 17.04.24 um 23:25 schrieb Garulfo: - exactly, it's not a question of proposing new documents, but of proposing another complementary way of accessing and browsing existing ones. - Actually, the wiki is (or can be) a hub for the 4 needs: - "Reference" like https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead - "How-To Guides" like https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles - "Tutorials": - hosted https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Detailed_Example - linked https://github.com/mpsmath/stepbystep - "Explanation" : mostly linked manuals and books https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead and https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles are examples of how difficult it can be to understand where to find a particular information. It might be worth keeping only the key examples on reference pages like https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/*** and moving the "how-to" examples to a separate page (or pages). I agree. Let’s accept this as a rule for further wiki editing. Also, explain parameters with top priority in Command/setup* pages (keeping them in Command/define* pages etc. doesn’t hurt, but at least experienced users should know where to find something without searching). Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: How to isolate serious errors from warnings?
Am 18.04.24 um 02:09 schrieb Joel via ntg-context: I'm about to have a lengthy (2,000+ page) document published. Normally if it compiles and looks okay, I regard that as meaning no errors appeared, but I've noticed that sometimes ConTeXt will still compile, even if something isn't displayed on screen as it should: (1) I tried placing a table inside a startitemize environment, as instead of it not compiling, it left a message in the document warning that wasn't supported. (2) In another case, I had an image that ConTeXt couldn't find, as I mispelled the filenmame, and it fully compiled and made a PDF, without me noticing. (3) Or maybe in some case, a font couldn't be found for a specific character, so a single character in the file isn't displaying. Those are just some examples; I intended for something to be printed on the PDF, but it isn't showing there. Since a document of this size will have a lot of messages, is there a way to adjust the settings, from "show everything" to "show some" to "show only serious errors"? Or maybe to use > to send the errors to another file for careful study? (using Linux if that matters) You can enable trackers like \enabletrackers[figures.*] But that just gives more log messages for debugging. You get the list of all trackers with: context --global m-trackers.mkiv For your use case, directives are more helpful, like \enabledirectives[logs.errors=*] (i.e. break at every error) AFAIK that just handles missing characters, references and modules ATM, but this information might be outdated. You get all directives with context --global m-directives.mkiv Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] How to isolate serious errors from warnings?
I'm about to have a lengthy (2,000+ page) document published. Normally if it compiles and looks okay, I regard that as meaning no errors appeared, but I've noticed that sometimes ConTeXt will still compile, even if something isn't displayed on screen as it should: (1) I tried placing a table inside a startitemize environment, as instead of it not compiling, it left a message in the document warning that wasn't supported. (2) In another case, I had an image that ConTeXt couldn't find, as I mispelled the filenmame, and it fully compiled and made a PDF, without me noticing. (3) Or maybe in some case, a font couldn't be found for a specific character, so a single character in the file isn't displaying. Those are just some examples; I intended for something to be printed on the PDF, but it isn't showing there. Since a document of this size will have a lot of messages, is there a way to adjust the settings, from "show everything" to "show some" to "show only serious errors"? Or maybe to use > to send the errors to another file for careful study? (using Linux if that matters) --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Le 17/04/2024 à 13:57, Bruce Horrocks a écrit : On 14 Apr 2024, at 12:21, garu...@azules.eu wrote: Hi all, I just discover the Diátaxis documentation framework : I'd be more confident if you had started by saying "I've been using the Diátaxis for the last ten years and have used it on multiple projects". ;-) - https://www.diataxis.fr/ - 30min video : "What nobody tells you about documentation", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vKPhjcMZg , from Daniele Procida at PyCon 2017 As I understand it, it can help both readers and writers of the documentation by clarifying the purpose of each element. So I started a potential new "welcome page" : https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page2 The main lines would be : - Tutorials: installation pages, step by step examples - How-to guides: most of the existing wiki pages which are not https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands/ ... - Discussions and manuals: most of the existing manuals - Reference : the pages dedicated to commands which already include link to mailing list, stack exchange, ConTeXt's source - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Commands - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Command%2F To match the logic of Diátaxis, maybe some material from command pages should be moved from "Reference" to "How-to guides", for example, when the examples go beyond "pure description" and begin to deal with "how-to" cases, e.g. : - Reference for setuphead: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead - How-to guides for headings: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles If it make sense, and according to your feedbacks, I can continue to reallocate existing contents. Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. I'm going to be devil's advocate and say that the Context documentation is *already* in the Diátaxis framework - just not in one place on the Wiki. - There are at least two books, and a third being written but not yet released: these fit into the Tutorials and Explanation quadrants. - There are "My Way" guides linked from the Wiki and the PragmaADE website that fit into the "How-To Guides" quadrant. - thank you for these reminders - And the wiki itself is the "Reference" quadrant. Clearly these can always be better but they are there already. My recommendation would be to use the wiki as the reference quadrant and, apart from the first few "main pages" for people who land there from a web search, it should focus on being the reference manual. Beginners should be directed to the books. - Thanks again, the comments are helping to identify a robust method of distributing content across the quadrants. - exactly, it's not a question of proposing new documents, but of proposing another complementary way of accessing and browsing existing ones. - Actually, the wiki is (or can be) a hub for the 4 needs: - "Reference" like https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead - "How-To Guides" like https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles - "Tutorials": - hosted https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Detailed_Example - linked https://github.com/mpsmath/stepbystep - "Explanation" : mostly linked manuals and books https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead and https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles are examples of how difficult it can be to understand where to find a particular information. It might be worth keeping only the key examples on reference pages like https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/*** and moving the "how-to" examples to a separate page (or pages). Regards, — Bruce Horrocks Hampshire, UK ___________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___ ___________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Customize citation format of a bibliography (use the short form as reference format)
Hi,
> The APS style is an example of a number-based citation system. As you
> are looking for a tag-based citation, it might be better to start with
> something like the APA style.
I'm kind of satisfied with the publication-list layout of the APS style so I
chose
this as a base. If it is simpler to start with the APA style, I can do that.
My hope is that it is possible to just change the "label" that is used for
referencing and keep everything else as is.
> Is there some specification for your short tag-based citation style?
biblatex implements this with the "alphabetic" style. I'm not aware of
a specification, though. Does the "short" form in ConTeXt exist for a
specific reason? :)
Gerion
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 06:04:35 +0200
> Gerion Entrup wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm trying to customize a cite format in a bibliography. Currently,
> > I'm using the aps style which fits so far, except of the plain number
> > as reference. In concrete, I want to change the following:
> > - Use the first letter of the last name and the year as reference
> > (this should be exactly the short form). It is more less also
> > described here [1].
> > - Highlight publications of a certain author with an extra char (e.g.
> > '>')
> >
> > Here is a minimal example (lets assume, every occurrence of Knuth
> > should be highlighted): ```
> > \setupinteraction[state=start]
> >
> > \startbuffer[testdata]
> > @Book{knuth1,
> > author = {Donald E. Knuth},
> > title = {TEX and METAFONT. New directions in typesetting},
> > year = {1979},
> > publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
> > }
> > @Article{someother,
> > author = {Some Person and Some Otherperson},
> > title = {Another title},
> > year = {1900},
> > }
> > \stopbuffer
> >
> > % enable tracing
> > \enabletrackers[publications, publications.crossref,
> > publications.details, publications.cite, publications.strings]
> >
> > \usebtxdataset[main][testdata.buffer]
> > \usebtxdefinitions[aps]
> > \setupbtx[dataset=main]
> > \definebtxrendering[bibrendering][aps][dataset=main]
> >
> > % this seems to have no effect?
> > \setupbtx[alternative=short]
> >
> > \starttext
> >
> > Knuth developed \TeX \cite[knuth1].
> > Several persons said something \cite[someother].
> >
> > \placelistofpublications[bibrendering]
> >
> > \stoptext
> > ```
> >
> > It should be rendered as:
> > ```
> > Knuth developed TeX [>Knu79].
> > Several persons said something [PO00].
> >
> > [Knu79] D.E. Knuth, TEX and METAFONT. New directions in
> > typesetting (Addison-Wesley, 1979). [PO00] S. Person and S.
> > Otherperson, Another title, (1900). ```
> >
> > How can I achieve that \cite[something] always renders in the short
> > form by default? How can I customize that references to Knuth contain
> > this extra '>'? How can I customize the APS style to also use the
> > short form in the list of publications instead of numbers?
> >
> > Best
> > Gerion
> >
> > [1]
> > https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/295444/citation-style-with-first-letters-of-authors-lastname
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[NTG-context] Re: Customize citation format of a bibliography (use the short form as reference format)
Hello,
The APS style is an example of a number-based citation system. As you
are looking for a tag-based citation, it might be better to start with
something like the APA style.
Is there some specification for your short tag-based citation style?
Alan
On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 06:04:35 +0200
Gerion Entrup wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to customize a cite format in a bibliography. Currently,
> I'm using the aps style which fits so far, except of the plain number
> as reference. In concrete, I want to change the following:
> - Use the first letter of the last name and the year as reference
> (this should be exactly the short form). It is more less also
> described here [1].
> - Highlight publications of a certain author with an extra char (e.g.
> '>')
>
> Here is a minimal example (lets assume, every occurrence of Knuth
> should be highlighted): ```
> \setupinteraction[state=start]
>
> \startbuffer[testdata]
> @Book{knuth1,
> author = {Donald E. Knuth},
> title = {TEX and METAFONT. New directions in typesetting},
> year = {1979},
> publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
> }
> @Article{someother,
> author = {Some Person and Some Otherperson},
> title = {Another title},
> year = {1900},
> }
> \stopbuffer
>
> % enable tracing
> \enabletrackers[publications, publications.crossref,
> publications.details, publications.cite, publications.strings]
>
> \usebtxdataset[main][testdata.buffer]
> \usebtxdefinitions[aps]
> \setupbtx[dataset=main]
> \definebtxrendering[bibrendering][aps][dataset=main]
>
> % this seems to have no effect?
> \setupbtx[alternative=short]
>
> \starttext
>
> Knuth developed \TeX \cite[knuth1].
> Several persons said something \cite[someother].
>
> \placelistofpublications[bibrendering]
>
> \stoptext
> ```
>
> It should be rendered as:
> ```
> Knuth developed TeX [>Knu79].
> Several persons said something [PO00].
>
> [Knu79] D.E. Knuth, TEX and METAFONT. New directions in
> typesetting (Addison-Wesley, 1979). [PO00] S. Person and S.
> Otherperson, Another title, (1900). ```
>
> How can I achieve that \cite[something] always renders in the short
> form by default? How can I customize that references to Knuth contain
> this extra '>'? How can I customize the APS style to also use the
> short form in the list of publications instead of numbers?
>
> Best
> Gerion
>
> [1]
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/295444/citation-style-with-first-letters-of-authors-lastname
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[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Am 17.04.24 um 13:57 schrieb Bruce Horrocks: - There are at least two books, and a third being written but not yet released: these fit into the Tutorials and Explanation quadrants. Which published books do you mean? I know of Alan Braslau’s book, AFAIK that will be published in French “soon” and probably later in English. My German book is still not ready, while I work on it regularly. Of course there are a lot of PDFs (most with sources), not only in the distribution, but also in https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
> On 14 Apr 2024, at 12:21, garu...@azules.eu wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just discover the Diátaxis documentation framework : I'd be more confident if you had started by saying "I've been using the Diátaxis for the last ten years and have used it on multiple projects". ;-) > - https://www.diataxis.fr/ > - 30min video : "What nobody tells you about documentation", > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vKPhjcMZg , from Daniele Procida at PyCon > 2017 > > As I understand it, it can help both readers and writers of the documentation > by clarifying the purpose of each element. > > So I started a potential new "welcome page" : > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page2 > > The main lines would be : > - Tutorials: installation pages, step by step examples > - How-to guides: most of the existing wiki pages which are not > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands/ ... > - Discussions and manuals: most of the existing manuals > - Reference : the pages dedicated to commands which already include link to > mailing list, stack exchange, ConTeXt's source > - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Commands > - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Command%2F > > To match the logic of Diátaxis, maybe some material from command pages should > be moved from "Reference" to "How-to guides", > for example, when the examples go beyond "pure description" and begin to deal > with "how-to" cases, e.g. : > - Reference for setuphead: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead > - How-to guides for headings: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles > > If it make sense, and according to your feedbacks, I can continue to > reallocate existing contents. > > Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. I'm going to be devil's advocate and say that the Context documentation is *already* in the Diátaxis framework - just not in one place on the Wiki. - There are at least two books, and a third being written but not yet released: these fit into the Tutorials and Explanation quadrants. - There are "My Way" guides linked from the Wiki and the PragmaADE website that fit into the "How-To Guides" quadrant. - And the wiki itself is the "Reference" quadrant. Clearly these can always be better but they are there already. My recommendation would be to use the wiki as the reference quadrant and, apart from the first few "main pages" for people who land there from a web search, it should focus on being the reference manual. Beginners should be directed to the books. Regards, — Bruce Horrocks Hampshire, UK ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Unfortunately, despite all that has been said, we have to realise what words actually mean in English, and 'infamous' has a negative connotation. So I recommend rephrasing this and perhaps the entire paragraph so that it presents a positive perspective on ConTeXt. But if you mean 'less known' then simply say that: ConTeXt is the less known alternative to LaTeX. and rather than 'growing minority', say 'growing number'. We do not say 'ambitioned enthusiasts' in English, but we could say 'ambitious enthusiasts'. Julian On 17/4/24 19:10, Joaquín Ataz López wrote: I used “infamous” as a funny way to say “not famous, but somewhat known” (and yes, I know Latin and what the words really mean). That was my understanding. Infamous=Not famous; that is, not as well known as others. A slight play on words. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
I used “infamous” as a funny way to say “not famous, but somewhat known” (and yes, I know Latin and what the words really mean). That was my understanding. Infamous=Not famous; that is, not as well known as others. A slight play on words. -- Joaquín Ataz López Departamento de Derecho civil Universidad de Murcia - España ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Am 17.04.24 um 10:36 schrieb Hans Hagen: On 4/17/2024 8:32 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 16. Apr 2024, at 21:56, Peter Hopcroft via ntg-context wrote: On 17/04/2024, at 7:11 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: In my poster (still WIP) I wrote: … Excellent No, I must admit I don’t like the first two paragraphs. The question is “what is ConTeXt,” and the answer is “we’re not LaTeX.” And why “infamous”? I agree. It sounds the same as "we're not msword" or "we're not google docs". (In the end the only thing that latex and context have in common is that they use the tex language / ecosystem.) In my experience, most people interested in ConTeXt know LaTeX, so it makes sense to compare. And I actually just say “LaTeX is the most known command-based typesetting system” (that’s just true) to shortcut explaining what a cbts might be. Your critique applies to JUH’s quote, though. I used “infamous” as a funny way to say “not famous, but somewhat known” (and yes, I know Latin and what the words really mean). Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
On 4/17/2024 8:32 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 16. Apr 2024, at 21:56, Peter Hopcroft via ntg-context wrote: On 17/04/2024, at 7:11 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: In my poster (still WIP) I wrote: … Excellent No, I must admit I don’t like the first two paragraphs. The question is “what is ConTeXt,” and the answer is “we’re not LaTeX.” And why “infamous”? I agree. It sounds the same as "we're not msword" or "we're not google docs". (In the end the only thing that latex and context have in common is that they use the tex language / ecosystem.) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
> On 16. Apr 2024, at 21:56, Peter Hopcroft via ntg-context > wrote: > > > >> On 17/04/2024, at 7:11 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >> >> In my poster (still WIP) I wrote: >> … > > Excellent No, I must admit I don’t like the first two paragraphs. The question is “what is ConTeXt,” and the answer is “we’re not LaTeX.” And why “infamous”? Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
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[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Am 14.04.24 um 21:45 schrieb Peter Hopcroft via ntg-context: It would be great if the main page actually said what Context does. In my poster (still WIP) I wrote: start --- The “infamous” alternative to LaTeX While most designers use graphical tools, there are still areas where code-based typesetting systems are fun, make sense or are even superior. While LaTeX is the most known of these, ConTeXt is used by a growing minority of ambitioned enthusiasts around the world. The small but active and creative community of ConTeXt users and developers is always driving TeX development over new frontiers: NTS, MetaFun, Oriental TeX, LuaTeX, mplib, LuaMetaTeX… They’re also dubbed the incisors (AKA cutting edge) of the dinosaur of Open Source. ConTeXt is aimed at creative users, known for advanced features like extensive font control and direct XML processing, with a deep integration of Lua and MetaPost. --- ConTeXt was invented in the 1990s by Hans Hagen and Ton Otten of the Dutch company “Pragma Advanced Document Engineering” for typesetting schoolbooks. Taco Hoekwater refactored the TeX source code to create LuaTeX which was further developed into LuaMetaTeX by Hans Hagen (and lately Mikael Sundqvist for refined math typography). --- “To be fair, switching to the ConTeXt way of thinking and doing things was not an overnight process […]. But once I got used to it, I could not imagine going back to LaTeX. I’ll go even further and say that, in my view, ConTeXt is the future of TeX. (Prof. Idris Samawi Hamid, 2009) Source: www.tug.org/interviews/hamid.html --- “ConTeXt is LaTeX done right. It is simple, flexible and powerful.” (J. U. Hasecke on Mastodon, 2022) --- Is ConTeXt for me? If you want … * to design your own layout * best quality math typesetting * to use Lua functions e.g. for processing data * deep integration of a graphics language (MetaPost) * to process XML input * no package conflicts * to use OpenType features * consistent setup commands * to place stuff on layers * visual debugging features * to have a lean, but mighty TeX system * to typeset much faster than with LaTeX * high quality Arabic typography … then ConTeXt is for you! --- stop ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Customize citation format of a bibliography (use the short form as reference format)
Hi,
I'm trying to customize a cite format in a bibliography. Currently, I'm using
the aps style which fits so far, except of the plain number as reference.
In concrete, I want to change the following:
- Use the first letter of the last name and the year as reference (this should
be exactly the short form). It is more less also described here [1].
- Highlight publications of a certain author with an extra char (e.g. '>')
Here is a minimal example (lets assume, every occurrence of Knuth should be
highlighted):
```
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\startbuffer[testdata]
@Book{knuth1,
author = {Donald E. Knuth},
title = {TEX and METAFONT. New directions in typesetting},
year = {1979},
publisher = {Addison-Wesley},
}
@Article{someother,
author = {Some Person and Some Otherperson},
title = {Another title},
year = {1900},
}
\stopbuffer
% enable tracing
\enabletrackers[publications, publications.crossref, publications.details,
publications.cite, publications.strings]
\usebtxdataset[main][testdata.buffer]
\usebtxdefinitions[aps]
\setupbtx[dataset=main]
\definebtxrendering[bibrendering][aps][dataset=main]
% this seems to have no effect?
\setupbtx[alternative=short]
\starttext
Knuth developed \TeX \cite[knuth1].
Several persons said something \cite[someother].
\placelistofpublications[bibrendering]
\stoptext
```
It should be rendered as:
```
Knuth developed TeX [>Knu79].
Several persons said something [PO00].
[Knu79] D.E. Knuth, TEX and METAFONT. New directions in typesetting
(Addison-Wesley, 1979).
[PO00] S. Person and S. Otherperson, Another title, (1900).
```
How can I achieve that \cite[something] always renders in the short form by
default?
How can I customize that references to Knuth contain this extra '>'?
How can I customize the APS style to also use the short form in the list of
publications instead of numbers?
Best
Gerion
[1]
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/295444/citation-style-with-first-letters-of-authors-lastname
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[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
I made it work with Pulsar and the pdfjs-viewer plugin: The sourcecode of the plugin is broken but easily fixable: https://github.com/allefeld/atom-pdfjs-viewer/issues/15 Then pdf->tex works with synctex from TeX live, "--synctex=repeat" and a right click in the viewer. Sigh, should I learn TypeScript to adopt the viewer plugin and enable my language-context-lmtx* plugin to run ConTeXt and SyncTeX? (I’ve already too many projects and not enough brain capacity.) Hraban *) https://codeberg.org/fiee/language-context-lmtx ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: [ using horizontal table lines ]
vm via ntg-context schrieb am 15.04.2024 um 13:15: I'm probably using the \starttable incorrectly: with this code I only get only *one* horizontal line in the header [...] with this code I get two horizontal lines, but the second is too short. [...] with this code I get two horizontal lines, with correct length, but above the wrong columns [...] diff: \NC\DC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[4]\AR \NC\DC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[3]\AR \NC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[4]\AR There is (probably) a correct way to solve this. My suggestion is to switch to either natural table or extreme tables but it seems to me there is a problem with the division lines which always leave an empty column afterwards. The following example should add horizontal lines above the first and third column but this setting results in an error. When I omit the last \DC the error disappears but as can be seen in the output the second line appears above the fourth column. \starttext \starttable[||] %\DL \DC \DL \DC \DC \DR \DL[red] \DC \DL[red] \DC \DR \VL 01 \VL 02 \VL 03 \VL 04 \VL 05 \VL\SR \stoptable \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Hi, On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:00 PM Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > Am 13.04.24 um 22:28 schrieb Mikael Sundqvist: > > What will work will depend on the viewers. We noticed a few weeks ago > > that synctex (pdf -> editor) was not working in a few viewers (okular) > > while it was working in others. > > Could you please tell us which combinations of viewers and editors you > checked and how to configure them to make it work? I think you shall test them according to what they specify, that should work. I think at Hans' place sumatra worked already with state=start. Here we tried zathura, okular, they work. I think evince did not really work (maybe with some dbus thing, but we did not really try it out). For qpdfview, mupdf, sioyek and maybe some more I do not remember if it worked in the end. But also the viewers change, so at your place they might have different versions of the libraries, and ... a bit messy. I think one should try state=start, and if that is not working, try state=repeat. If that is not working either, I don't know. It was not so easy to understand the format and how it is supposed to work. /Mikael ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Hi Mikael (and other synctex users), On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 22:28 (+0200), Mikael Sundqvist wrote: > Hi, > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 7:54 PM Jim wrote: >> Thanks for the quick reply. >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 09:18 (+0200), Hans Hagen wrote: >>> On 4/13/2024 12:39 AM, Jim wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I have both TeXlive 2024 and the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution on my >>>> system. >>>> Recently, the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution seems to not create a >>>> synctex file any more. Specifically, >>>> /usr/local/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context --once --texutil >>>> --synctex=1 --nonstop file.tex >>>> does not create a .synctex file (and deletes it, if it is there), whereas >>>> the TeXlive version >>>> /usr/local/texlive/2024/bin/x86_64-linux/context --once --texutil >>>> --synctex=1 --nonstop nwg_newsletter_2024_04.tex >>>> does create the .synctex file. >>>> The ConTeXt distribution version *does* create the file if --nonstop is >>>> *not* used. Knowing that, I can work around this for now, although >>>> emacs+auctex probably won't be happy without --nonstop. >>>> I updated the stand-alone ConTeXt a few minutes ago, so I'm up to date on >>>> that. >>>> Is this a bug introduced by some recent change? >>> it's more a feature >> I guess one person's bug is another person's feature. :-) >>> - Mikael S and i spend some time with editor/viewer combinations on linux in >>> order to find ways around the different synctex libs that they use >>> - as a result we could make most work ok >> Are these recent changes? And should emacs+auctex+PDFview work now? > What will work will depend on the viewers. We noticed a few weeks ago > that synctex (pdf -> editor) was not working in a few viewers (okular) > while it was working in others. After some debugging, our conclusion > was that different versions of the library/application were used, or > different approaches. We found a way to generate the stuff in the pdf > to make it work for the failing viewers we had. Hans did then not > replace this with the old approach, since then the previously working > viewers might break. He therefore added repeat as a key, so > \setupsynctex[state=repeat] will use the new approach. Thanks for that clarification. >>> - we assume that synctex is set up in the document with >>> \setupsynctex[state=start] >>> \setupsynctex[state=repeat] % less efficient but gets around issue >> I haven't been using either of those, since auctex does The Right Thing for >> me. Or, at least, it used to. >>> - when context is run 'headless' (on a server) it's often done in >>> batchmode because one knows that the style works and in that case synctex >>> makes no sense so we disable it; this avoids the need to patch the style >> I (think I) see what you are saying, but if one explicitly uses --synctex >> on the command line, should that not over-ride the over-ride? Or, put >> another way, would the following not make sense: >> if --synctex is used on the command line >> create synctex file >> else if --nonstop is used on the command line >> do not create the synctex file >> else if \setupsynctex[...] is used in the source file >> create the synctex file >> else >> do not create the synctex file >>> - the manual has been updates > workflows-synctex.tex now suggests: > "When your viewer doesn't return to the editor, you can try > \starttyping > \setupsynctex[state=repeat] > \stoptyping > or > \starttyping > context --synctex=repeat somefile.tex > \stoptyping > This will give a bit larger file that tries to fool the areas resolver in the > library that the viewer uses." Looking at two synctex files, it would seem that the state=repeat version creates a synctex file that has syntax matching the "original" synctex format. And you are right, the file is bigger. In any case, now that I know what is going on, I have convinced auctex to play nicely with the new way of doing things, and so all is now good. Question for anyone who made it down this far: Is there a mailing list or other way that a ConTeXt user can find out about non-backward-compatible changes like this? I wasted a fair amount of time tracking this problem down (*), and if there is some other mailing list I should be subscribed to, I'd love to know about it. (*) Unfortunately, this change to ConTeXt happened around the same time I upgraded emacs from 27.2 to 29.3, and when things didn't work I upgraded auctex from 13.
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Hraban and any emacs users: On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 11:56 (+0200), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 13.04.24 um 22:28 schrieb Mikael Sundqvist: >> What will work will depend on the viewers. We noticed a few weeks ago >> that synctex (pdf -> editor) was not working in a few viewers (okular) >> while it was working in others. > Could you please tell us which combinations of viewers and editors you > checked and how to configure them to make it work? The --synctex=repeat option outputs a synctex file that works with auctex' epdfinfo program, so (at least when using PDFview) forward and backward search now work with emacs+auctex, at least when you (a) put (setq ConTeXt-texexec-option-nonstop "") in your ConTeXt mode hook (or some other sensible place), and (b) edit the ConTeXt-expand-options defun in auctex' context.el (or redefine the function in some hook) to replace --synctex=1 with --synctex=repeat I have submitted a bug report to auctex about (b) and another item, but I have no idea if/when the fixes will make it into a new release of auctex. Jim ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] [ using horizontal table lines ]
I'm probably using the \starttable incorrectly:
with this code I only get only *one* horizontal line in the header
\starttable[|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|l|r|r|r|r|][bodyfont=9pt]
\NC step\NC frac\NC ival\NC \NC\Use{4}[cI]{freq
(Hz)}\NC~\NC\Use{4}[cI]{wavelength (m)}\AR
\NC\DC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[4]\AR
\NC 0 \NC 0.00 \NC 0.000 \NC 12.50\NC 13.75\NC 15.00\NC 12.25\NC A\ \NC
27.20\NC 24.73\NC 22.67\NC 27.76\AR
\NC 1 \NC 0.08 \NC 0.115 \NC 13.94\NC 15.34\NC 16.73\NC 13.66\NC A\#\NC
24.38\NC 22.17\NC 20.32\NC 24.88\AR
\NC 2 \NC 0.17 \NC 0.222 \NC 15.28\NC 16.81\NC18.34\NC14.97\NC
B\ \NC 22.25\NC 20.23\NC 18.54\NC 22.71\AR
\stoptable
with this code I get two horizontal lines, but the second is too short.
\starttable[|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|l|r|r|r|r|][bodyfont=9pt]
\NC step\NC frac\NC ival\NC \NC\Use{4}[cI]{freq
(Hz)}\NC~\NC\Use{4}[cI]{wavelength (m)}\AR
\NC\DC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[3]\AR
\NC 0 \NC 0.00 \NC 0.000 \NC 12.50\NC 13.75\NC 15.00\NC 12.25\NC A\ \NC
27.20\NC 24.73\NC 22.67\NC 27.76\AR
\NC 1 \NC 0.08 \NC 0.115 \NC 13.94\NC 15.34\NC 16.73\NC 13.66\NC A\#\NC
24.38\NC 22.17\NC 20.32\NC 24.88\AR
\NC 2 \NC 0.17 \NC 0.222 \NC 15.28\NC 16.81\NC18.34\NC14.97\NC
B\ \NC 22.25\NC 20.23\NC 18.54\NC 22.71\AR
\stoptable
with this code I get two horizontal lines, with correct length, but
above the wrong columns
\starttable[|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|l|r|r|r|r|][bodyfont=9pt]
\NC step\NC frac\NC ival\NC \NC\Use{4}[cI]{freq
(Hz)}\NC~\NC\Use{4}[cI]{wavelength (m)}\AR
\NC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[4]\AR
\NC 0 \NC 0.00 \NC 0.000 \NC 12.50\NC 13.75\NC 15.00\NC 12.25\NC A\ \NC
27.20\NC 24.73\NC 22.67\NC 27.76\AR
\NC 1 \NC 0.08 \NC 0.115 \NC 13.94\NC 15.34\NC 16.73\NC 13.66\NC A\#\NC
24.38\NC 22.17\NC 20.32\NC 24.88\AR
\NC 2 \NC 0.17 \NC 0.222 \NC 15.28\NC 16.81\NC18.34\NC14.97\NC
B\ \NC 22.25\NC 20.23\NC 18.54\NC 22.71\AR
\stoptable
diff:
\NC\DC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[4]\AR
\NC\DC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[3]\AR
\NC\DC\DC\DL[4]\DL[4]\AR
There is (probably) a correct way to solve this.
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[NTG-context] \getmarking for top at the current page
Dear list,
I've got a problem. Not the first one, but the first one to contribute to the
list. ;)
system> ConTeXt ver: 2024.04.01 08:59 LMTX fmt: 2024.4.12 int:
english/english
system> 'cont-new.mkxl' loaded
%==
%==
\definehead[Datum][subsubsubject]
\startsetups[Test]
Pr=(\getmarking[Datum][previous])~
Nx=(\getmarking[Datum][next])~
Fi=(\getmarking[Datum][first])~
La=(\getmarking[Datum][last])~
Tp=(\getmarking[Datum][top])~
Bt=(\getmarking[Datum][bottom])~
Cu=(\getmarking[Datum][current])~
\stopsetups
\setupheadertexts[text]
[\setups{Test}][]
[\setups{Test}][]
\setuppagenumbering[location=footer]
\starttext
\startDatum[title={secA}]%
\dorecurse{50}{aaa }
\pagebreak
\dorecurse{50}{aaa }
\stopDatum
\startDatum[title={secB}]%
\dorecurse{630}{bbb }
\stopDatum
\startDatum[title={secC}]%
\dorecurse{50}{ccc }
\stopDatum
\startDatum[title={secD}]%
\dorecurse{50}{ddd }
\stopDatum
\startDatum[title={secE}]%
\dorecurse{50}{eee }
\stopDatum
\stoptext
%==
%==
I'd like to write the marking of the very first text at the current page to the
header. That seems to be a bit tricky, at least for me. (I'm afraid that
\getmarking[xxx][top] was intended for that and it is not feasible at all.)
At page 1 the header should read "secA", at page 2 again "secA" (because the
very first text belongs to "secA"), and at page 3 "secC" (because the very
first text (the section title) belongs to "secC"). Unfortunatly \getmarking[][]
does not behave like I expacted.
I understand the keywords of \getmarking in the wiki
(https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/getmarking) as listed below:
• previous: marking at the bottom of the page BEFORE the current page (no page
before then empty)
• next: marking at the top of the page AFTER the current page (no page after
then bottom of current page)
• top: marking at the top of the current page
• bottom: marking at the bottom of the current page
• first: first marking that starts at the current page (no first than behaving
like top)
• last: last marking that starts at the current page (no last than behaving
like bottom)
• current: last stored marking while deciding on pagebreaking between the
current page and the (potential) following page
• default: first
According to these thoughts, I started with \getmarking[Datum][top]. But "top"
seems not to work, there is no difference between "top" and "first", "top"
behaves like "first".
My second thought: Generally \getmarking[Datum][first] would be perfect, so
I've thought something like
\doifelse{\fetchmark[Datum][next] of the page before the current
page}{\fetchmark[Datum][previous]}
{\getmarking[Datum][previous]}
{\getmarking[Datum][first]}
could work. (Honestly I don't know how to do "\fetchmark[Datum][next] of the
page before the current page}". The first page would need a special treatment
too.)
But: At page 2 \getmarking[Datum][next] (Nx) contains "secB" but at top of page
3 is not "secB" but "secC". So \getmarking[Datum][next] does not seem to
contain the correct information I need, therefore I don't get any further.
Any ideas: How do I write the marking of the very first text at the current
page to the header?
Thank you in advance, Matthias
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[NTG-context] Re: Is TIFF image no longer supported?
Am 14.04.24 um 22:25 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context: Thomas A. Schmitz <mailto:thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de>> hat am 14.04.2024 22:18 CEST geschrieben: On 4/14/24 22:11, Joel via ntg-context wrote: I have a document with PNG, JPG, and TIFF. When I try using \externalfigure[filename][frame=on, width=.\textwidth] it displays JPG and PNG fine, but the TIFF files don't render. Is TIFF not supported in ConTeXt anymore? --Joel I don't think tiff has ever be supported? Thomas At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Using_Graphics says. But you can do implicit conversion of TIFF to PDF if you have the converter installed. (Maybe you've had that installed before?) EPS, BMP, GIF, TIFF (and in MkIV, SVG) are only supported via conversion. For EPS you need GhostScript (gs), for SVG Inkscape, and GraphicsMagick (gm convert) for the others. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Is TIFF image no longer supported?
Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de> hat am 14.04.2024 22:18 CEST geschrieben: On 4/14/24 22:11, Joel via ntg-context wrote: I have a document with PNG, JPG, and TIFF. When I try using \externalfigure[filename][frame=on, width=.\textwidth] it displays JPG and PNG fine, but the TIFF files don't render. Is TIFF not supported in ConTeXt anymore? --Joel I don't think tiff has ever be supported? Thomas At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Using_Graphics says. But you can do implicit conversion of TIFF to PDF if you have the converter installed. (Maybe you've had that installed before?) Best, Denis ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Is TIFF image no longer supported?
On 4/14/24 22:18, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: I don't think tiff has ever be supported? Thomas s/be/been/ Sorry! Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Is TIFF image no longer supported?
On 4/14/24 22:11, Joel via ntg-context wrote: I have a document with PNG, JPG, and TIFF. When I try using \externalfigure[filename][frame=on, width=.\textwidth] it displays JPG and PNG fine, but the TIFF files don't render. Is TIFF not supported in ConTeXt anymore? --Joel I don't think tiff has ever be supported? Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Is TIFF image no longer supported?
I have a document with PNG, JPG, and TIFF. When I try using \externalfigure[filename][frame=on, width=.\textwidth] it displays JPG and PNG fine, but the TIFF files don't render. Is TIFF not supported in ConTeXt anymore? --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
It would be great if the main page actually said what Context does. > On 15/04/2024, at 2:18 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > Hi Garulfo, > > I’m not against the “new order”, but I’d keep the colorful subject tiles. > Different accesses are good IMO (as long as it doesn’t get to convoluted). > > I’d say updating, sorting, restructuring pages is more important than a new > start page. > > Yes, please sort out reference vs. tutorials! > > Often examples make sense in the reference pages, so the distinction is a bit > fuzzy, but there are enough where a subject/tutorial page would make more > sense than examples spread over several single command pages. > > We could also define if the “main” reference page (with examples) is > \definestuff, \setupstuff, or \stuff – IMO \setupstuff makes the most sense, > since usually the others inherit from it. > > Often enough, parameters aren’t explained in the reference pages; sometimes > you can find examples using them, but there are too many holes. I tried to > fix that where I could, but too often I don’t understand enough of the > sources to make sense of some setting. > > For wiki contributors, it might make sense to combine the markup pages – in > many pages e.g. is used where would make more > sense; often \starttext … \stoptext is not necessary and just blows up > examples; markup is generally somewhat chaotic (e.g. , , or ``?). > > Hraban > >> Am 14.04.24 um 13:21 schrieb garu...@azules.eu: >> I just discover the Diátaxis documentation framework : >> - https://www.diataxis.fr/ >> - 30min video : "What nobody tells you about documentation", >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vKPhjcMZg , from Daniele Procida at PyCon >> 2017 >> As I understand it, it can help both readers and writers of the >> documentation by clarifying the purpose of each element. >> So I started a potential new "welcome page" : >> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page2 >> The main lines would be : >> - Tutorials: installation pages, step by step examples >> - How-to guides: most of the existing wiki pages which are not >> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands/ ... >> - Discussions and manuals: most of the existing manuals >> - Reference : the pages dedicated to commands which already include link to >> mailing list, stack exchange, ConTeXt's source >> - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Commands >> - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Command%2F >> To match the logic of Diátaxis, maybe some material from command pages >> should be moved from "Reference" to "How-to guides", >> for example, when the examples go beyond "pure description" and begin to >> deal with "how-to" cases, e.g. : >> - Reference for setuphead: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead >> - How-to guides for headings: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles >> If it make sense, and according to your feedbacks, I can continue to >> reallocate existing contents. >> Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. >> Garulfo >> ___ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl >> webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) >> archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context >> wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net >> ___ > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) > archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context > wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net > ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Hi Garulfo, I’m not against the “new order”, but I’d keep the colorful subject tiles. Different accesses are good IMO (as long as it doesn’t get to convoluted). I’d say updating, sorting, restructuring pages is more important than a new start page. Yes, please sort out reference vs. tutorials! Often examples make sense in the reference pages, so the distinction is a bit fuzzy, but there are enough where a subject/tutorial page would make more sense than examples spread over several single command pages. We could also define if the “main” reference page (with examples) is \definestuff, \setupstuff, or \stuff – IMO \setupstuff makes the most sense, since usually the others inherit from it. Often enough, parameters aren’t explained in the reference pages; sometimes you can find examples using them, but there are too many holes. I tried to fix that where I could, but too often I don’t understand enough of the sources to make sense of some setting. For wiki contributors, it might make sense to combine the markup pages – in many pages e.g. is used where would make more sense; often \starttext … \stoptext is not necessary and just blows up examples; markup is generally somewhat chaotic (e.g. , , or ``?). Hraban Am 14.04.24 um 13:21 schrieb garu...@azules.eu: I just discover the Diátaxis documentation framework : - https://www.diataxis.fr/ - 30min video : "What nobody tells you about documentation", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vKPhjcMZg , from Daniele Procida at PyCon 2017 As I understand it, it can help both readers and writers of the documentation by clarifying the purpose of each element. So I started a potential new "welcome page" : https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page2 The main lines would be : - Tutorials: installation pages, step by step examples - How-to guides: most of the existing wiki pages which are not https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands/ ... - Discussions and manuals: most of the existing manuals - Reference : the pages dedicated to commands which already include link to mailing list, stack exchange, ConTeXt's source - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Commands - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Command%2F To match the logic of Diátaxis, maybe some material from command pages should be moved from "Reference" to "How-to guides", for example, when the examples go beyond "pure description" and begin to deal with "how-to" cases, e.g. : - Reference for setuphead: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead - How-to guides for headings: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles If it make sense, and according to your feedbacks, I can continue to reallocate existing contents. Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. Garulfo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - question about Command/ pages which start with a space character
Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 14.04.2024 um 14:53: Am 14.04.24 um 14:46 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: garu...@azules.eu schrieb am 14.04.2024 um 12:41: Hi all, Is it on purpose that 128 pages "https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/ " start with a space character ? I didn't find an explanation in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command For example, these two pages exist : - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startbuffer - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_startbuffer If it is on purpose: - What is the purpose, and which page should contain which documentation? The command pages which start with an underscore are probably leftovers when Taco changed a page from manual command descriptions to auto generated tables. In the process to change the page he makes a copy of the current page with an underscore at the beginning which is deleted after the change but it's possible he forgot to delete a few of them. When you notice no difference between both versions of a command page you can delete all of the forgotten pages. No! These are the general pages in opposite to instance pages, e.g. "startsection" and "startchapter" are instances of "_startsection"? https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_placefloat is the general page for the instances placefigure, placetable etc. My bad, thank you for the correction! Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - question about Command/ pages which start with a space character
Am 14.04.24 um 14:46 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster: garu...@azules.eu schrieb am 14.04.2024 um 12:41: Hi all, Is it on purpose that 128 pages "https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/ " start with a space character ? I didn't find an explanation in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command For example, these two pages exist : - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startbuffer - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_startbuffer If it is on purpose: - What is the purpose, and which page should contain which documentation? The command pages which start with an underscore are probably leftovers when Taco changed a page from manual command descriptions to auto generated tables. In the process to change the page he makes a copy of the current page with an underscore at the beginning which is deleted after the change but it's possible he forgot to delete a few of them. When you notice no difference between both versions of a command page you can delete all of the forgotten pages. No! These are the general pages in opposite to instance pages, e.g. "startsection" and "startchapter" are instances of "_startsection"? https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_placefloat is the general page for the instances placefigure, placetable etc. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Wiki - question about Command/ pages which start with a space character
garu...@azules.eu schrieb am 14.04.2024 um 12:41: Hi all, Is it on purpose that 128 pages "https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/ " start with a space character ? I didn't find an explanation in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command For example, these two pages exist : - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startbuffer - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_startbuffer If it is on purpose: - What is the purpose, and which page should contain which documentation? The command pages which start with an underscore are probably leftovers when Taco changed a page from manual command descriptions to auto generated tables. In the process to change the page he makes a copy of the current page with an underscore at the beginning which is deleted after the change but it's possible he forgot to delete a few of them. When you notice no difference between both versions of a command page you can delete all of the forgotten pages. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Wiki - test/proposal to further clarify documentation
Hi all, I just discover the Diátaxis documentation framework : - https://www.diataxis.fr/ - 30min video : "What nobody tells you about documentation", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vKPhjcMZg , from Daniele Procida at PyCon 2017 As I understand it, it can help both readers and writers of the documentation by clarifying the purpose of each element. So I started a potential new "welcome page" : https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page2 The main lines would be : - Tutorials: installation pages, step by step examples - How-to guides: most of the existing wiki pages which are not https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Commands/ ... - Discussions and manuals: most of the existing manuals - Reference : the pages dedicated to commands which already include link to mailing list, stack exchange, ConTeXt's source - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Commands - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Command%2F To match the logic of Diátaxis, maybe some material from command pages should be moved from "Reference" to "How-to guides", for example, when the examples go beyond "pure description" and begin to deal with "how-to" cases, e.g. : - Reference for setuphead: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuphead - How-to guides for headings: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles If it make sense, and according to your feedbacks, I can continue to reallocate existing contents. Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. Garulfo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Wiki - question about Command/ pages which start with a space character
Hi all, Is it on purpose that 128 pages "https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/ " start with a space character ? I didn't find an explanation in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command For example, these two pages exist : - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startbuffer - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/_startbuffer If it is on purpose: - What is the purpose, and which page should contain which documentation? If it is not: - Is there a way to automatically merge the content of the couple of pages, and to remove the "wrong" pages, or should it be done manually ? Thanks for your help. List : Command/ attachment Command/ background Command/ bar Command/ beginblock Command/ button Command/ characterkerning Command/ comment Command/ completecombinedlist Command/ completelistoffloats Command/ completelistofsorts Command/ completelistofsynonyms Command/ completeregister Command/ copylabeltext Command/ ctxfunction Command/ ctxfunctiondefinition Command/ currentlabel Command/ delimitedtext Command/ description Command/ enumeration Command/ fence Command/ fraction Command/ framed Command/ framedtext Command/ getbuffer Command/ hbox Command/ help Command/ high Command/ highlight Command/ label Command/ labellanguage Command/ labeltext Command/ labeltexts Command/ language Command/ leftlabeltext Command/ linenote Command/ low Command/ lowhigh Command/ lowmidhigh Command/ margindata Command/ mathcommand Command/ mathdoubleextensible Command/ mathextensible Command/ mathframed Command/ mathmatrix Command/ mathornament Command/ mathoverextensible Command/ mathovertextextensible Command/ mathradical Command/ mathtriplet Command/ mathunderextensible Command/ mathundertextextensible Command/ mathunstacked Command/ nextparagraphs Command/ note Command/ ornament Command/ paragraphs Command/ placecombinedlist Command/ placefloat Command/ placelistoffloats Command/ placelistofsorts Command/ placelistofsynonyms Command/ placement Command/ placepairedbox Command/ placeregister Command/ presetlabeltext Command/ referenceformat Command/ register Command/ rightlabeltext Command/ script Command/ section Command/ seeregister Command/ setupcombinedlist Command/ setupitemgroup Command/ setuplabeltext Command/ setuppairedbox Command/ setupregister Command/ shift Command/ sorting Command/ startattachment Command/ startbackground Command/ startbuffer Command/ startcolumnset Command/ startcomment Command/ startdelimitedtext Command/ startdescription Command/ starteffect Command/ startenumeration Command/ startfittingpage Command/ startfloattext Command/ startformula Command/ startframedtext Command/ starthelp Command/ startindentedtext Command/ startitemgroup Command/ startlabeltext Command/ startlinenote Command/ startlines Command/ startmakeup Command/ startmathalignment Command/ startmathcases Command/ startmathmatrix Command/ startmixedcolumns Command/ startnarrower Command/ startnote Command/ startpagecolumns Command/ startparagraphs Command/ startparallel Command/ startplacefloat Command/ startplacepairedbox Command/ startsection Command/ startsectionblock Command/ startstartstop Command/ startstop Command/ startstyle Command/ starttabulate Command/ starttextbackground Command/ starttyping Command/ startviewerlayer Command/ startxtable Command/ stoplinenote Command/ style Command/ synonym Command/ textbackground Command/ textnote Command/ tooltip Command/ type Command/ typebuffer Command/ unit ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Am 13.04.24 um 22:28 schrieb Mikael Sundqvist: What will work will depend on the viewers. We noticed a few weeks ago that synctex (pdf -> editor) was not working in a few viewers (okular) while it was working in others. Could you please tell us which combinations of viewers and editors you checked and how to configure them to make it work? Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
Hi Denis, I made a similar solution for docker image [minidocks/context](https://hub.docker.com/r/minidocks/context): [https://github.com/minidocks/context/commit/9b3ccc1eb62e556cada29b5b761207a526bca52e](https://github.com/minidocks/context/commit/9b3ccc1eb62e556cada29b5b761207a526bca52e). You can get inspired. Everything works as it should: ``` $ docker run --rm -it minidocks/context --luatex --version resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG.md', lower: 'changelog.md', already: 'ChangeLog.md' mtx-context | redirect luametatex -> luatex: luatex --luaonly --socket "/usr/share/tex/texmf/bin/mtxrun.lua" --script mtx-context --luatex --version --redirected resolvers | globbing | confusing filename, name: 'CHANGELOG.md', lower: 'changelog.md', already: 'ChangeLog.md' mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 1.06 mtx-context | mtx-context | main context file: /usr/share/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/context.mkiv mtx-context | current version: 2024.04.01 08:59 mtx-context | main context file: /usr/share/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkxl/context.mkxl mtx-context | current version: 2024.04.01 08:59 ``` Best, Martin Hasoň ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Hi, On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 7:54 PM Jim wrote: > > Thanks for the quick reply. > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 09:18 (+0200), Hans Hagen wrote: > > > On 4/13/2024 12:39 AM, Jim wrote: > >> Hi, > > >> I have both TeXlive 2024 and the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution on my > >> system. > > >> Recently, the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution seems to not create a > >> synctex file any more. Specifically, > > >> /usr/local/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context --once --texutil > >> --synctex=1 --nonstop file.tex > > >> does not create a .synctex file (and deletes it, if it is there), whereas > >> the TeXlive version > > >> /usr/local/texlive/2024/bin/x86_64-linux/context --once --texutil > >> --synctex=1 --nonstop nwg_newsletter_2024_04.tex > > >> does create the .synctex file. > > > >> The ConTeXt distribution version *does* create the file if --nonstop is > >> *not* used. Knowing that, I can work around this for now, although > >> emacs+auctex probably won't be happy without --nonstop. > > >> I updated the stand-alone ConTeXt a few minutes ago, so I'm up to date on > >> that. > > >> Is this a bug introduced by some recent change? > > > it's more a feature > > I guess one person's bug is another person's feature. :-) > > > - Mikael S and i spend some time with editor/viewer combinations on linux in > > order to find ways around the different synctex libs that they use > > > - as a result we could make most work ok > > Are these recent changes? And should emacs+auctex+PDFview work now? What will work will depend on the viewers. We noticed a few weeks ago that synctex (pdf -> editor) was not working in a few viewers (okular) while it was working in others. After some debugging, our conclusion was that different versions of the library/application were used, or different approaches. We found a way to generate the stuff in the pdf to make it work for the failing viewers we had. Hans did then not replace this with the old approach, since then the previously working viewers might break. He therefore added repeat as a key, so \setupsynctex[state=repeat] will use the new approach. > > > - we assume that synctex is set up in the document with > > > \setupsynctex[state=start] > > \setupsynctex[state=repeat] % less efficient but gets around issue > > I haven't been using either of those, since auctex does The Right Thing for > me. Or, at least, it used to. > > > - when context is run 'headless' (on a server) it's often done in > > batchmode because one knows that the style works and in that case synctex > > makes no sense so we disable it; this avoids the need to patch the style > > I (think I) see what you are saying, but if one explicitly uses --synctex > on the command line, should that not over-ride the over-ride? Or, put > another way, would the following not make sense: > if --synctex is used on the command line > create synctex file > else if --nonstop is used on the command line > do not create the synctex file > else if \setupsynctex[...] is used in the source file > create the synctex file > else > do not create the synctex file > > > - the manual has been updates workflows-synctex.tex now suggests: "When your viewer doesn't return to the editor, you can try \starttyping \setupsynctex[state=repeat] \stoptyping or \starttyping context --synctex=repeat somefile.tex \stoptyping This will give a bit larger file that tries to fool the areas resolver in the library that the viewer uses." /Mikael ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Thanks for the quick reply. On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 09:18 (+0200), Hans Hagen wrote: > On 4/13/2024 12:39 AM, Jim wrote: >> Hi, >> I have both TeXlive 2024 and the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution on my >> system. >> Recently, the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution seems to not create a >> synctex file any more. Specifically, >> /usr/local/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context --once --texutil >> --synctex=1 --nonstop file.tex >> does not create a .synctex file (and deletes it, if it is there), whereas >> the TeXlive version >> /usr/local/texlive/2024/bin/x86_64-linux/context --once --texutil >> --synctex=1 --nonstop nwg_newsletter_2024_04.tex >> does create the .synctex file. >> The ConTeXt distribution version *does* create the file if --nonstop is >> *not* used. Knowing that, I can work around this for now, although >> emacs+auctex probably won't be happy without --nonstop. >> I updated the stand-alone ConTeXt a few minutes ago, so I'm up to date on >> that. >> Is this a bug introduced by some recent change? > it's more a feature I guess one person's bug is another person's feature. :-) > - Mikael S and i spend some time with editor/viewer combinations on linux in > order to find ways around the different synctex libs that they use > - as a result we could make most work ok Are these recent changes? And should emacs+auctex+PDFview work now? > - we assume that synctex is set up in the document with > \setupsynctex[state=start] > \setupsynctex[state=repeat] % less efficient but gets around issue I haven't been using either of those, since auctex does The Right Thing for me. Or, at least, it used to. > - when context is run 'headless' (on a server) it's often done in > batchmode because one knows that the style works and in that case synctex > makes no sense so we disable it; this avoids the need to patch the style I (think I) see what you are saying, but if one explicitly uses --synctex on the command line, should that not over-ride the over-ride? Or, put another way, would the following not make sense: if --synctex is used on the command line create synctex file else if --nonstop is used on the command line do not create the synctex file else if \setupsynctex[...] is used in the source file create the synctex file else do not create the synctex file > - the manual has been updates Ummm... I hunted around for a while, but I did not find out which manual was updated. The synctex wiki page has not been updated, nor has the "workflow support in context" manual. Can you tell me which manual I should go look at? > - running context in nonstop mode makes little sense Guessing wildly, I assume the auctex author(s) didn't want processes sitting there waiting for input on errors, like plain TeX would normally do. But perhaps the addition of --nonstopmode for ConTeXt is incorrect and/or redundant in April of 2024. > (maybe, as power user, Mikael remembers more details) Mikael? Any thoughts to share? Cheers. Jim ___________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Back in the 90s
On 4/13/2024 2:12 PM, Riviera Taylor wrote: Hello, I was reading about the history of ConTeXt in the Not So Short Introduction To ConTeXt and I have a historical question. I noticed that the PDF specification was published in 1993 yet ConTeXt was invented in 1991. The book suggests that PDF output was handled by the PdfTeX engine in MKII in 2005. What sort of output did the software produce before PdfTeX was introduced? Was this the same as the output produced by the software before the publication of the PDF specification? 2005 is when we started with luatex which is a follow up on pdftex, and pdftex is more a mid 90's thing; we immediately adopted pdftex (which made some believe that context depended on pdftex which is not true) anyway, we started with dvi which needs a postprocessor to go to some printer format like specific hp or more general postscript but also can drive viewers we went from epson dot matrix printer -> early 300 dpi laser -> 600 dpi laser printer -> high speed oce 512 dpi printer (metric) -> high speed oce 600 dpi printer (+ crappy canon color laser printer) -> fast page-wide hp color inkjet office printer in mkii all is controlled by backend drivers, that use so called specials to support color, hyperlinks, images so a workflow can have - dvipsone : high quality postscript - dviwindo : viewer with typeone support and hyperlinks - acrobat : postscript to pdf and as all these external backends have their demands we could handle all these things in an abstract way (that way one could also drive printer properties like duplex or paper bins etc from a tex job) that meant that when pdf came around we could almost immediately support most of the interactive features in a dvi -> ps -> acrobat workflow when pdftex came around the intermediate step of postscript could be avoided which btw was also possible with dvipdfm(x) so we also supported that so to summarize, it went from tex -> dvi -> printer format tex -> dvi -> postscript -> more generic printer format tex -> dvi -> pdf -> print from acrobat tex -> pdf -> print from pdf viewer in the meantime we are pdf (as from that one can produce other formats) Hans (btw, the fact that we could easily support pdf was also a reason why at that time some adobe folk in nl used documents produced by context to show somewhat extrems usage of interactive features, thanks to the fact that tex can adapt to such new situations, also via the dvi route in this case with pdfmarks; at that time pdf usage - and features - was a bit more dualistic: ps replacement format versus storage and preview format, but that's a different story; but it still shows in how the standard evolved) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Back in the 90s
Hello, I was reading about the history of ConTeXt in the Not So Short Introduction To ConTeXt and I have a historical question. I noticed that the PDF specification was published in 1993 yet ConTeXt was invented in 1991. The book suggests that PDF output was handled by the PdfTeX engine in MKII in 2005. What sort of output did the software produce before PdfTeX was introduced? Was this the same as the output produced by the software before the publication of the PDF specification? Kind regards, Riviera she, her, hers https://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:River ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
On 4/13/2024 12:39 AM, Jim wrote: Hi, I have both TeXlive 2024 and the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution on my system. Recently, the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution seems to not create a synctex file any more. Specifically, /usr/local/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context --once --texutil --synctex=1 --nonstop file.tex does not create a .synctex file (and deletes it, if it is there), whereas the TeXlive version /usr/local/texlive/2024/bin/x86_64-linux/context --once --texutil --synctex=1 --nonstop nwg_newsletter_2024_04.tex does create the .synctex file. The ConTeXt distribution version *does* create the file if --nonstop is *not* used. Knowing that, I can work around this for now, although emacs+auctex probably won't be happy without --nonstop. I updated the stand-alone ConTeXt a few minutes ago, so I'm up to date on that. Is this a bug introduced by some recent change? it's more a feature - Mikael S and i spend some time with editor/viewer combinations on linux in order to find ways around the different synctex libs that they use - as a result we could make most work ok - we assume that synctex is set up in the document with \setupsynctex[state=start] \setupsynctex[state=repeat] % less efficient but gets around issue - when context is run 'headless' (on a server) it's often done in batchmode because one knows that the style works and in that case synctex makes no sense so we disable it; this avoids the need to patch the style - the manual has been updates - running context in nonstop mode makes little sense (maybe, as power user, Mikael remembers more details) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Most recent context doesn't like synctex?
Hi, I have both TeXlive 2024 and the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution on my system. Recently, the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution seems to not create a synctex file any more. Specifically, /usr/local/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context --once --texutil --synctex=1 --nonstop file.tex does not create a .synctex file (and deletes it, if it is there), whereas the TeXlive version /usr/local/texlive/2024/bin/x86_64-linux/context --once --texutil --synctex=1 --nonstop nwg_newsletter_2024_04.tex does create the .synctex file. The ConTeXt distribution version *does* create the file if --nonstop is *not* used. Knowing that, I can work around this for now, although emacs+auctex probably won't be happy without --nonstop. I updated the stand-alone ConTeXt a few minutes ago, so I'm up to date on that. Is this a bug introduced by some recent change? Thanks. Jim ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: \luaescapestring in proper Lua
On 4/11/24 18:56, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> [...]
>>> \protected\def\PrintTheThing{\ctxlua{document.print_the_thing()}}
>>
>> Sorry, but why \protected is required or recommended here?
>
> depends if you want it to be expandable
I see now that "still.pdf" has a full chapter (#3, titled “Scanning
Input”) and page 79 explains exactly this.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
On 4/11/24 18:56, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote: > [...] > it searches for mtxrun.lua and context.lua in the same path so you need: > > luametatex.exe > mtxrun.exe (can be link to luametatex.exe) > context.exe (can be link to luametatex.exe) > context.lua > mtxrun.lua > > all in the same (bib) path > > ... always has been so ... But now it seems that luatex has disappeared from our bin directories. Was this intended (because of the issues with the build farm)? Many thanks for your help, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: \luaescapestring in proper Lua
On 4/11/2024 5:07 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
On 4/10/24 21:48, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
On 4/10/2024 7:49 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
[...]
I wonder whether there is a proper way in the Lua code to avoid
[[\luaescapestring{}]] in \ctxlua.
[...]
context(tokens.scanners.string())
Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
\protected\def\PrintTheThing{\ctxlua{document.print_the_thing()}}
Sorry, but why \protected is required or recommended here?
depends if you want it to be expandable
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[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
On 4/11/2024 5:25 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote: On 4/10/24 22:28, Denis Maier wrote: [...] context --luatex --generate Thanks, Pablo. I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to work... I get the same result on Win64 when I move the luatex binary from the tex/texmf-win64/bin/ directory. This may sound stupid, but could you check whether the bin directory contain the required binary? Sorry, "luatex --version" and even "whereis luatex" should give the same result (but on Windows, it seems to be https://ss64.com/nt/where.html). I hope it may help, it searches for mtxrun.lua and contextl.lua in the same path so you need: luametatex.exe mtxrun.exe (can be link to luametatex.exe) context.exe (can be link to luametatex.exe) context.lua mtxrun.lua all in the same (bib) path ... always has been so ... Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
On 4/11/24 17:39, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote: > [...] > Ok. It wasn't there. I have now copied it from my Miktex installation, but > it still does not work. (Looks like some path issue. The luatex binary from > the miktex installation seems to take priority over the one now in the > ConTeXt installation. Looks like I'm getting somewhere...) I wonder whether the path order might give priority. But in any case, I wonder whether it is intended that current latest (from the ConTeXt distribution) is intended neither to have the latest LuaTeX nor to have any LuaTeX binary at all. Hans (or Luigi), are we (just humble users) missing something here? Many thanks for your help, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2024 17:26 > An: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' > Cc: Pablo Rodriguez > Betreff: [NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx- > context.lua > > On 4/10/24 22:28, Denis Maier wrote: > >> [...] > >> context --luatex --generate > > > > Thanks, Pablo. > > I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to work... > > I get the same result on Win64 when I move the luatex binary from the > tex/texmf-win64/bin/ directory. > > This may sound stupid, but could you check whether the bin directory contain > the required binary? > > Sorry, "luatex --version" and even "whereis luatex" should give the same result > (but on Windows, it seems to be https://ss64.com/nt/where.html). > > I hope it may help, > > Pablo Ok. It wasn't there. I have now copied it from my Miktex installation, but it still does not work. (Looks like some path issue. The luatex binary from the miktex installation seems to take priority over the one now in the ConTeXt installation. Looks like I'm getting somewhere...) Thanks for your help, Denis ___________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
On 4/10/24 22:28, Denis Maier wrote: >> [...] >> context --luatex --generate > > Thanks, Pablo. > I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to work... I get the same result on Win64 when I move the luatex binary from the tex/texmf-win64/bin/ directory. This may sound stupid, but could you check whether the bin directory contain the required binary? Sorry, "luatex --version" and even "whereis luatex" should give the same result (but on Windows, it seems to be https://ss64.com/nt/where.html). I hope it may help, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: \luaescapestring in proper Lua
On 4/10/24 21:48, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 4/10/2024 7:49 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> I wonder whether there is a proper way in the Lua code to avoid
>> [[\luaescapestring{}]] in \ctxlua.
>> [...]
> context(tokens.scanners.string())
Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
> \protected\def\PrintTheThing{\ctxlua{document.print_the_thing()}}
Sorry, but why \protected is required or recommended here?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. April 2024 19:35 > An: ntg-context@ntg.nl > Cc: Pablo Rodriguez > Betreff: [NTG-context] Re: unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx- > context.lua > > On 4/10/24 13:59, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to test my earlier example (float placement) also with MKIV, > > but context ---luatex … give me this error message : > > unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua How can I > > make it work? > > Hi Denis, > > as far as I know, this is required first: > > context --luatex --generate Thanks, Pablo. I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to work... I'm getting this: resolvers | resolving | resolvers | resolving | warning: no lua configuration files found resolvers | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF) resolvers | resolving | mtxrun | the resolver databases are not present or outdated And again: mtxrun | unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua' Any ideas? Best, Denis ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: \luaescapestring in proper Lua
On 4/10/2024 7:49 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\starttext
\startluacode
function document.print_the_thing(str)
context(str)
end
\stopluacode
\unexpanded\def\PrintTheThing#1{%
\ctxlua{document.print_the_thing([[\luaescapestring{#1}]])}}
\PrintTheThing{a \em b {c}}
\stoptext
I wonder whether there is a proper way in the Lua code to avoid
[[\luaescapestring{}]] in \ctxlua.
BTW, [[\luaescapestring{}]] in \ctxlua works better for me, since in my
real world document, I’m using str:match() to check whether the string
ends with interrogation or exclamation marks ("%?!$").
\starttext
\startluacode
function document.print_the_thing()
context(tokens.scanners.string())
end
\stopluacode
\protected\def\PrintTheThing{\ctxlua{document.print_the_thing()}}
\PrintTheThing{a \em b {\bf c} d}
\stoptext
bonus:
test!\removepunctuation ?
Hans
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