Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-14 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:35:58PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 11:26, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:25:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 10:06, Khaled Hosny wrote: Nothing special, I always expect interline space to be fixed, I don't know if TeX always

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-14 Thread Hans Hagen
On 14-5-2010 2:37, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:35:58PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 11:26, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:25:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 10:06, Khaled Hosny wrote: Nothing special, I always expect interline space to

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-14 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 02:54:49PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 14-5-2010 2:37, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:35:58PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 11:26, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:25:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 10:06, Khaled Hosny

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-14 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2010-05-13 um 23:09 schrieb Hans Hagen: I recall trying grid a while ago but it didn't work, looks like I have to set \setuplayout[grid=force]. for sure there are bugs as it needs much testing but we have predefined grid setups: % none don't enlarge % halfline

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-14 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
On Fri, 14 May 2010 06:37:02 -0600, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: for arabic you really need to set the interline space (idris might have more input on this) - it has more height than depth Not always عٍ or فيٍ is as deep as high is أً. so for say 12pt arabic we should use 8pt ht

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Mojca Miklavec
[reshufling the order a bit] First of all - I forgot to express my positive surprise - all the horizontal breaks including hyphenation are *exactly the same* in MKII and MKIV all over the document, even though MKII and MKIV are using different fonts. Which is really nice. \startyoumayignorethis

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: also, commands starting with \latex behave unpredictable in mkiv due to luigis compatibility mode That was the best comment in the thread. Thanks for making me a day :) hm, I'm pretty sure to don't know what

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: \startyoumayignorethis The only thing that really bothers me are so much different vertical differences which show up in almost every document I ever write. MKIV consistently takes more vertical space, so no matter what document I try to recompile, it

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: \startyoumayignorethis The only thing that really bothers me are so much different vertical differences which show up in almost every document I ever write. MKIV consistently takes more

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 4:32, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: \startyoumayignorethis The only thing that really bothers me are so much different vertical differences which show up in almost every document I ever

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 05:00:01PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 4:32, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: \startyoumayignorethis The only thing that really bothers me are so much different vertical

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Dear Hans, (I'll answer the rest later) Did you try to run that with MKII? MKIV works fine (I know that the title was a bit misleading). I get the characters from font that are equal to the second byte of UTF-8 representation of input character. you probably need to enable utf8 in the mp

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي ح امد
On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:00:01 -0500, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 13-5-2010 4:32, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: \startyoumayignorethis The only thing that really bothers me are so much

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 01:46:28PM -0500, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2010 10:00:01 -0500, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 13-5-2010 4:32, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 10:06, Khaled Hosny wrote: Nothing special, I always expect interline space to be fixed, I don't know if TeX always make interline spacing variable, but this wasn't an issue with English text. However, with Arabic, Tashkil marks seems to always cause a noticeable extra whitespace

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي ح امد
On Thu, 13 May 2010 15:06:09 -0500, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: Something I find very annoying is variable interline spacing, if I've, for example, a line with some Arabic words vocalized I get some times too much white space above it that it almost looks like an empty line. It

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 9:31, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Sometimes forcing will look nice, but even then one probably has to add a bit of interlinespace to the latin font to get the right balance. That is, a latin document that uses a LOT of interparagraph arabic will want a bit extra

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 7:08, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 05:00:01PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 4:32, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 04:16:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 3:42, Mojca Miklavec wrote: \startyoumayignorethis The only thing that really

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:25:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 10:06, Khaled Hosny wrote: Nothing special, I always expect interline space to be fixed, I don't know if TeX always make interline spacing variable, but this wasn't an issue with English text. However, with Arabic,

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 11:26, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:25:06PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-5-2010 10:06, Khaled Hosny wrote: Nothing special, I always expect interline space to be fixed, I don't know if TeX always make interline spacing variable, but this wasn't an issue with

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-5-2010 8:34, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Dear Hans, (I'll answer the rest later) Did you try to run that with MKII? MKIV works fine (I know that the title was a bit misleading). I get the characters from font that are equal to the second byte of UTF-8 representation of input character. you

[NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Dear Hans, since you have promissed another hotfix release for TL 2010, here's a list of issues that I had with my thesis and MKIV (some have already been fixed in the due time, but many remained). I probably wouldn't have had those problems if I was designing my document in MKIV from scratch,

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Mojca Miklavec wrote: 5.) Weird formula number placement when long equations are used in MKIV \def\oklepaj#1{\left(#1\right)} \starttext \placeformula \startformula {\dot N}(t)= A\oklepaj{\exp\oklepaj{-\frac{t-t_0}{τ_{\text{eksp.-\exp\oklepaj{-\frac{t-t_0}{τ_{\text{fast}+

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, 1.) Minimal example: \usetypescript[iwona] \setupbodyfont[iwona] \starttext $a+b$ \stoptext Output: !define font: font with name Iwona-Math-Letters-Regular is not found !define font: unknown font Iwona-Math-Letters-Regular, loading aborted !define font: unable to define

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Mojca Miklavec wrote: 7.) I know that there's a longstanding left vs. right bug, but flushleft is no solution in the following case (compare MKII and MKIV again): \definedescription [latexdesc]

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Aditya Mahajan wrote: 10.) Different square root shape/variant used: $\frac{1}{\sqrt{2πσ_i^2}}$ Original formula: \startformula \startcases \NC ρ_0, \NC for $i=0$, \NR \NC ρ_i\,\frac{1}{\sqrt{2πσ_i^2}} \exp\biggl(-\frac{\left(x_j-μ_i\right)^2}{2σ_i^2}\biggr), \NC for

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Aditya Mahajan wrote: 10.) Different square root shape/variant used: $\frac{1}{\sqrt{2πσ_i^2}}$ Original formula: \startformula \startcases \NC ρ_0, \NC for $i=0$, \NR \NC ρ_i\,\frac{1}{\sqrt{2πσ_i^2}}

Re: [NTG-context] 10+ reasons why I still use MKII

2010-05-12 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Aditya Mahajan wrote: 10.) Different square root shape/variant used: $\frac{1}{\sqrt{2πσ_i^2}}$ Original formula: \startformula \startcases \NC ρ_0, \NC for $i=0$, \NR \NC ρ_i\,\frac{1}{\sqrt{2πσ_i^2}}