Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-08-02 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Wednesday, August 1, 2007 Hans Hagen wrote:

 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

 This is a very good thing. I have big hopes up for it. Also,
 as part of my ?getting back into the loop?, do you think
 there's some where/some how I can give a hand?

 well, mplib ... apart from going megapost (your speciality) 3d will be
 added and since you're the mathemagician who can think in 6 dimensions ...

Ah, this is something I can more probably involve my
university with. While my advisor doesn't care much about
TeX per se, numerical things are much more of its taste.

-- 
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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-08-01 Thread Hans Hagen
Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
 Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Hans Hagen wrote:
 
 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
 Ah, excellent, it works perfectly, thanks a lot! Of course,
 I'm still curious about the reason why a standard vbox
 wouldn't do it ...
 
 sidefloats hook into the output routine and that does ot work in a box;
 
 Makes sense.
 
 streams intercept the page stream (nasty but neat); expect more of that
 kind of stuff
 
 You know, seeing how streams work made me think about an
 extension I was considering for Alpeh: \pageboxnumber, being
 255 by default but which could be changed at runtime,
 choosing which box was used to build the MVL. I originally
 thought about it because my mathematically aesthetical sense
 complained that box 255 had to be used in e-TeX and
 Omega/Aleph as well (the last box number in each system made
 more sense), but now that I see your streams idea I think it
 would have been a useful addition.

this will become configurable in luatex

 (Oh yes, I should really get back to Aleph. I see that
 luatex builds on that too. I must say that I'm glad to see
 that the project has been taken over when I disappeared
 without a trace :P)

well, luatex renders aleph kind of obsolete -)

also, luatex has pdf output (also for aleph stuff)


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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-08-01 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Wednesday, August 1, 2007 Hans Hagen wrote:

 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

 You know, seeing how streams work made me think about an
 extension I was considering for Alpeh: \pageboxnumber, being
 255 by default but which could be changed at runtime,
 choosing which box was used to build the MVL. I originally
 thought about it because my mathematically aesthetical sense
 complained that box 255 had to be used in e-TeX and
 Omega/Aleph as well (the last box number in each system made
 more sense), but now that I see your streams idea I think it
 would have been a useful addition.

 this will become configurable in luatex

Ah, good to know.

 (Oh yes, I should really get back to Aleph. I see that
 luatex builds on that too. I must say that I'm glad to see
 that the project has been taken over when I disappeared
 without a trace :P)

 well, luatex renders aleph kind of obsolete -)

Yeah, I got that impression :)

 also, luatex has pdf output (also for aleph stuff)

This is a very good thing. I have big hopes up for it. Also,
as part of my “getting back into the loop”, do you think
there's some where/some how I can give a hand?

-- 
Giuseppe Oblomov Bilotta

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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-08-01 Thread Hans Hagen
Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

 This is a very good thing. I have big hopes up for it. Also,
 as part of my �getting back into the loop�, do you think
 there's some where/some how I can give a hand?

well, mplib ... apart from going megapost (your speciality) 3d will be 
added and since you're the mathemagician who can think in 6 dimensions ...

mplib will be linked into luatex

Hans

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[NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-07-31 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Hello all,

here's a test document:


\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

\newbox\testbox

\starttext

\setbox\testbox\vbox{%
\placefigure[outer,none,fit]{}{%
  \framed[width=.2\hsize,height=.2\hsize,offset=none]{}%
}%

\startitemize
\item some test
\item \input knuth
\item \input tufte
\stopitemize
}

\box\testbox

\page

\setbox\testbox\vbox{%
\placefigure[outer,none,fit]{}{%
  \framed[width=.2\hsize,height=.2\hsize,offset=none]{}%
}%

\startitemize
\item some test
\item \input knuth
\item \input tufte
\stopitemize
}


\box\testbox
\stoptext


As you may notice, items think the placefigure refers to all
of them, so that if a particular item is bigger than the
figure height, it will wrap correctly around the
(inexistent) box, otherwise it will just side it.

Interesting, the same thing does *not* happen when not going
through a box, but typesetting things directly in the page.
However, for my application I need to typeset the sidefloat
and the itemization in a box, so I hit the bug ...

Suggestions?

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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-07-31 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:14:27 +0200
Giuseppe Bilotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 here's a test document:
 
[test document]
 
 As you may notice, items think the placefigure refers to all
 of them, so that if a particular item is bigger than the
 figure height, it will wrap correctly around the
 (inexistent) box, otherwise it will just side it.
 
 Interesting, the same thing does *not* happen when not going
 through a box, but typesetting things directly in the page.
 However, for my application I need to typeset the sidefloat
 and the itemization in a box, so I hit the bug ...
 
 Suggestions?
 
 -- 
 Giuseppe Oblomov Bilotta

Hi Giuseppe,

you can use ConTeXt's stream mechanism.

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

\usemodule[streams]
\definestreamlayer[giuseppe][width=\textwidth]

\newbox\giuseppe

\starttext

\startstreamlayer[giuseppe]
\placefigure
  [outer,none,fit]
  {}
  {\framed[width=.2\hsize,height=.2\hsize,offset=none]{}}

\startitemize
\item some test
\item \input knuth
\item \input tufte
\stopitemize
\stopstreamlayer

\vbox{\placestreamlayer[giuseppe]}

\page

\startstreamlayer[giuseppe]
\placefigure
  [outer,none,fit]
  {}
  {\framed[width=.2\hsize,height=.2\hsize,offset=none]{}}

\startitemize
\item some test
\item \input knuth
\item \input tufte
\stopitemize
\stopstreamlayer

\vbox{\placestreamlayer[giuseppe]}

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-07-31 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 you can use ConTeXt's stream mechanism.

 \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

 \usemodule[streams]
 \definestreamlayer[giuseppe][width=\textwidth]

 \newbox\giuseppe

 \starttext

 \startstreamlayer[giuseppe]
 \placefigure
   [outer,none,fit]
   {}
   {\framed[width=.2\hsize,height=.2\hsize,offset=none]{}}

 \startitemize
 \item some test
 \item \input knuth
 \item \input tufte
 \stopitemize
 \stopstreamlayer

 \vbox{\placestreamlayer[giuseppe]}

 \stoptext

Ah, excellent, it works perfectly, thanks a lot! Of course,
I'm still curious about the reason why a standard vbox
wouldn't do it ...

-- 
Giuseppe Oblomov Bilotta

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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-07-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
 Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
 you can use ConTeXt's stream mechanism.
 
 \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
 
 \usemodule[streams]
 \definestreamlayer[giuseppe][width=\textwidth]
 
 \newbox\giuseppe
 
 \starttext
 
 \startstreamlayer[giuseppe]
 \placefigure
   [outer,none,fit]
   {}
   {\framed[width=.2\hsize,height=.2\hsize,offset=none]{}}
 
 \startitemize
 \item some test
 \item \input knuth
 \item \input tufte
 \stopitemize
 \stopstreamlayer
 
 \vbox{\placestreamlayer[giuseppe]}
 
 \stoptext
 
 Ah, excellent, it works perfectly, thanks a lot! Of course,
 I'm still curious about the reason why a standard vbox
 wouldn't do it ...

sidefloats hook into the output routine and that does ot work in a box; 
streams intercept the page stream (nasty but neat); expect more of that 
kind of stuff

Hans



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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-07-31 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 you can use ConTeXt's stream mechanism.

 \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

 \usemodule[streams]
 \definestreamlayer[giuseppe][width=\textwidth]

I've noticed that specifying width= in the streamlayer
definition is not enough to force the stream width. If the
width is different from the textwidth, I have to use
something like

\startsetups streamlayer:giuseppe:settings
  \overloadtextwidth\gbwidth
\stopsetups

I would have expected

\definestreamlayer[giuseppe][width=\gbwidth]

to handle this automatically though.

-- 
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Re: [NTG-context] Boxed items don't like sidefloats

2007-07-31 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Hans Hagen wrote:

 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

 Ah, excellent, it works perfectly, thanks a lot! Of course,
 I'm still curious about the reason why a standard vbox
 wouldn't do it ...

 sidefloats hook into the output routine and that does ot work in a box;

Makes sense.

 streams intercept the page stream (nasty but neat); expect more of that
 kind of stuff

You know, seeing how streams work made me think about an
extension I was considering for Alpeh: \pageboxnumber, being
255 by default but which could be changed at runtime,
choosing which box was used to build the MVL. I originally
thought about it because my mathematically aesthetical sense
complained that box 255 had to be used in e-TeX and
Omega/Aleph as well (the last box number in each system made
more sense), but now that I see your streams idea I think it
would have been a useful addition.

(Oh yes, I should really get back to Aleph. I see that
luatex builds on that too. I must say that I'm glad to see
that the project has been taken over when I disappeared
without a trace :P)

-- 
Giuseppe Oblomov Bilotta


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