Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
Hi Luigi,
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf
If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one
No. I already did that. I want that the
| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)
part of my minimal example gets typeset. By now, it doesn't. To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.
Best regards,
olli
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
Hi Luigi,
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf
If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one
No. I already did that. I want that the
| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)
part of my minimal example gets typeset. By now, it doesn't. To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.
Best regards,
olli
For what I understand
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
I mean
1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible
In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
1.92\textwidth
whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .
I thought you wanted to place this fig in a span of two columns, but I
was wrong -- sorry.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
No. I already did that. I want that the
| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)
part of my minimal example gets typeset. By now, it doesn't. To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.
For what I understand
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
I mean
1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible
Same is true for lines=19. I think this is a bug in ConTeXt, and I
wanted to report it, in the hope it will get fixed.
In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
1.92\textwidth
whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .
Sorry, but I won't consider a »feature working properly only under some
very rare circumstances« a properly working feature, but a broken one.
I thought you wanted to place this fig in a span of two columns, but I
was wrong -- sorry.
No problem. I should be more precise in my phrases.
Best regards,
olli
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
For what I understand
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
I mean
1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible
Same is true for lines=19. I think this is a bug in ConTeXt, and I
wanted to report it, in the hope it will get fixed.
no surprise here ,as before
In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
1.92\textwidth
whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .
Sorry, but I won't consider a »feature working properly only under some
very rare circumstances« a properly working feature, but a broken one.
I disagree here.
In columnsets I always exactly specify what I want to do, to avoid surprise.
For example in your situation I use width=1.0\textwidth, because
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
is a non-sense for me: I cannot put a figure large 1.95\textwidth in
a column large \textwidth.
If I need to do so, then I must reserve a span in a some way.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
For what I understand
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
and columnset with n=3 are not compatible.
I mean
1.95\textwidth and n=3 are not compatible
Same is true for lines=19. I think this is a bug in ConTeXt, and I
wanted to report it, in the hope it will get fixed.
no surprise here ,as before
In mkii your \subject disappear, in mkiv no but things changes with
1.92\textwidth
whiel with 1.0\textwidth things go well.
I'm not surprised because columnsets must be carefully managed .
Sorry, but I won't consider a »feature working properly only under some
very rare circumstances« a properly working feature, but a broken one.
I disagree here.
In columnsets I always exactly specify what I want to do, to avoid surprise.
For example in your situation I use width=1.0\textwidth, because
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
is a non-sense for me: I cannot put a figure large 1.95\textwidth in
a column large \textwidth.
Yes, but the 1.95\textwidth was just a remainder of my experiments with
the width to see where the problem occurs and where not. It occurs with
width=2\textwidth, too, as well as with lines=19. And the latter two
one make sense.
And no, I don't want to put a figure 2 columns wide in a single column.
I want it to spawn over two columns.
If I need to do so, then I must reserve a span in a some way.
According to http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf (page
16ff.) it is perfectly okay to do the way I did.
That's what the directive btlr is for: flush from bottom to top and left
to right.
It's a documented feature, and it's not working properly (at least from
what I see). I call this a bug.
Best regards,
olli
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
According to http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf (page
16ff.) it is perfectly okay to do the way I did.
That's what the directive btlr is for: flush from bottom to top and left
to right.
It's a documented feature, and it's not working properly (at least from
what I see). I call this a bug.
Yes can be but
I don't mix code from chapter Graphics with code from chapter Areas,
so until now my code has worked as expected.
(I usually work with Area, so this is why I 've said that
1.95\textwidth is non-sense)
This works for example in mkiv and mkii ,so I suspect some not-so-good
interaction between Area and Chapter,
but I still disagree to call it a bug because typesetting in columns
is always hard in TeX, so maybe it's a feature that
you need but it's not still implemented .
Of course more examples can be usefuls in this sense.
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
offset=0mm,
topspace=0cm,height=middle,
location=middle,
]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]
\definefloat[grafik]
\setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]
\definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
%\definecolumnsetarea
%[title][left]
%[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]
\starttext
\startcolumnset[ergebnisse]
\definecolumnsethsize{ergebnisse}{1}{2}\Two
\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][lines=19,width=1.95\textwidth]}
\subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
world should knew about!)
\dorecurse{8}{\input tufte}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On 20-1-2010 10:08, Oliver Heins wrote:
Hi Luigi,
luigi scarsoluigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heinso...@sopos.org wrote:
You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf
If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one
No. I already did that. I want that the
| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)
part of my minimal example gets typeset. By now, it doesn't. To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.
columnsets can indeed loose content depending on how you finish them
this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex dev
which gives me some more info
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
Hi Hans,
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes:
No. I already did that. I want that the
| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)
part of my minimal example gets typeset. By now, it doesn't. To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.
columnsets can indeed loose content depending on how you finish them
How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content?
this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex
dev which gives me some more info
:-)
Best regards,
olli
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On 20-1-2010 13:53, Oliver Heins wrote:
Hi Hans,
Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl writes:
No. I already did that. I want that the
| \subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
|
| Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
| David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
| world should knew about!)
part of my minimal example gets typeset. By now, it doesn't. To me
that looks like a pretty big bug in ConTeXt.
columnsets can indeed loose content depending on how you finish them
How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content?
\page after the stopcolumnset
also, as luigi remarked, chapter might somehow interfere if it is set up
to start with a new page
this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex
dev which gives me some more info
:-)
well, keep in mind that tex itself has no concept of columns at all and
that all heuristics (and unpredictable cases) have to be dealt with in
macros (and developing that is quite timeconsuming)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content? \page after the stopcolumnset ^^^ this is fondamental ^^^ My experience says 0) keep start/stopcolumnset as small as possible to flush on a regular basis and 1) use material from chapter Graphics xor 2) use material from chapter Area xor 3) Are you sure that I don't Indesign instead ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes: On 20-1-2010 13:53, Oliver Heins wrote: How can I finish a columnset so that it doesn't loose content? \page after the stopcolumnset Thanks, I didn't know this. also, as luigi remarked, chapter might somehow interfere if it is set up to start with a new page this might be improved in future versions depending on (also) luatex dev which gives me some more info :-) well, keep in mind that tex itself has no concept of columns at all and that all heuristics (and unpredictable cases) have to be dealt with in macros (and developing that is quite timeconsuming) I know. Thanks for doing this job so well and sharing the code, Hans! Hopefully, things are getting better with luatex. Best regards, olli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes: 3) Are you sure that I don't Indesign instead ? Guess I'm too much a TeXnician (or a TeXophilian) for that, and besides, Indesign doesn't run under Linux anyway (I have a kind of windowphobia ;-). Best regards, olli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
Hi,
under certain circumstances, ConTeXt swallows text. This happens with
both MkII and MkIV and a fairly recent minimals distribution.
| ConTeXt ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKII fmt: 2009.11.25 int: english/english
| ConTeXt ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKIV fmt: 2009.11.25 int: english/english
Sadly, I noticed not until the booklet was already printed. (Actually,
it was my customer who noticed.) :-(
Best regards,
olli
% ---
\enableregime[utf-8]
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
offset=0mm,
topspace=0cm,height=middle,
location=middle,
]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]
\definefloat[grafik]
\setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]
\definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
\definecolumnsetarea
[title][left]
[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]
\starttext
\startcolumnset[ergebnisse]
\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
\subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
world should knew about!)
\dorecurse{3}{\input tufte}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext
% ---
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
Hi,
under certain circumstances, ConTeXt swallows text. This happens with
both MkII and MkIV and a fairly recent minimals distribution.
| ConTeXt ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKII fmt: 2009.11.25 int: english/english
| ConTeXt ver: 2009.11.24 10:13 MKIV fmt: 2009.11.25 int: english/english
Sadly, I noticed not until the booklet was already printed. (Actually,
it was my customer who noticed.) :-(
Best regards,
olli
% ---
\enableregime[utf-8]
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
offset=0mm,
topspace=0cm,height=middle,
location=middle,
]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]
\definefloat[grafik]
\setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]
\definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
\definecolumnsetarea
[title][left]
[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start]
\starttext
\startcolumnset[ergebnisse]
\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}
\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[foo][width=1.95\textwidth]}
\subject{Victoria Beckham pregnant again!}
Barack Obama is the father! Confronted with this fact, her husband
David Beckham said\,\dots (Actually, this is a very important news the
world should knew about!)
\dorecurse{3}{\input tufte}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext
% ---
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Why nx=6 and width=1.95\textwidth ?
What about this ?
\enableregime[utf-8]
\setupbodyfont[ss,10pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=2.6ex]
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[backspace=2cm,width=middle,
offset=0mm,
topspace=0cm,height=middle,
location=middle,
]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setuptolerance[tolerant,verytolerant]
\definefloat[grafik]
\setupcaption[grafik][number=no,location=bottom]
\definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
\definecolumnsetarea
[title][left]
[x=1,y=1,nx=2,ny=42,page=2,state=start]
\setupcolumnsetareatext[title][left][{\externalfigure[cow][width=1.95\textwidth]}]
\starttext
\startcolumnset[ergebnisse]
\dorecurse{10}{\input tufte}
%\placegrafik[btlr]{none}{\externalfigure[cow][width=1.95\textwidth]}
\subject{foo fooo fooof oof fooo}
\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext
--
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
Hi Luigi, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes: Why nx=6 Because of the layout of the booklet. The area should fit over two pages (= 6 columns). and width=1.95\textwidth ? I played around with the width to see if the problem still happens. For some reason, I stuck with 1.95\textwidth. In my original setup, I had lines=19 :-) What about this ? That's a completely different layout. You can find the relevant pages of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf Regards, olli -- Oliver Heins he...@sopos.orghttp://oliverheins.net/ http://blog.overheins.net/ F27A BA8C 1CFB B905 65A8 http://scriptorium-adp.de/ 2544 0F07 B675 9A00 D827 1024D/9A00D827 2004-09-24 -- gpg --recv-keys 0x9A00D827 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt swallows text
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Heins o...@sopos.org wrote:
Hi Luigi,
luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com writes:
Why nx=6
Because of the layout of the booklet. The area should fit over two
pages (= 6 columns).
ok
You can find the relevant pages
of the booklet at http://sopos.org/olli/armut-fail.pdf
If I understand well, you want
an automatic solution
instead of a manual solution like this one
\defineoverlay [foregraphics]
[{\externalfigure[cow][width=5.8\textwidth,lines=41]}]
\defineoverlay [backgraphics]
[{\externalfigure[mill][width=2\textwidth,lines=20]}]
\definecolumnset[ergebnisse][n=3]
\definecolumnsetarea
[title][left]
[x=1,y=1,nx=6,ny=42,page=2,state=start,background={backgraphics,foreground,foregraphics}]
\setupcolumnsetareatext[title][left][{%
\ruledhbox to \dimexpr 6\textwidth+2\backspace+1cm\relax{\raggedright
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 1}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip0.5em
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 2}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip\backspace
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 3}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
\hskip0.5em
\ruledvbox to 41\lineheight{\hsize=1.6\textwidth {\bfd 4}
\dorecurse{3}{ \input knuth }}
}
}]
--
luigi
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