[NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Hullo,
can someone tell me what's the difference between \skip and \unskip and when
to use them?
I've already checked the wiki and the references, but cannot find a definition
of either.
Here's a use case that's giving me headaches for quite some time:
In my bibliography I often have items that are missing one or two fields (e.g.
legal texts with or without amendments etc.) and I have to tell ConTeXt to
skip those. From trial and error I learnt that:
* \skip leaves me with the punctuation and styling around the skipped
field (e.g. a trailing , . or ( ))
* \unskip seems to do what I want, but generates the following error
every
time 'context' reaches an '\unskip' entry:
--8--
l.1 ...al , št. \localissue /\localvolume \skip ,
\localspremembe .
\currentnotedescriptiontext ...ptionnumberentry )}
\handlenoteitself ... \currentnotedescriptiontext
\endstrut
\dostopstoreddes...
\handlenoteinsert ...s }\handlenoteitself {#1}{#2}
\egroup \the
\everyafterno...
\@@notemakedescription ...note \currentnotenumber
\fi \fi \endgroup \fi \fi
...
...
l.82 ...e Konvencija MOD št. 173\zakon[][MOD_173]
(ter Priporočilo št. 18...
? help
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)
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The example code:
--8--
\def\zakon[#1][#2]%
{\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
{\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
\getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
\getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
\getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
\footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št.
\localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
\egroup}
\setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}
}
\def\zakonkratko[#1][#2]%
{\bgroup
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
On 3-11-2010 10:21, Matija Šuklje wrote: Hullo, can someone tell me what's the difference between \skip and \unskip and when to use them? \skip skip specification : insert (flexible) glue \unskip: remove previous glue it's not so much different from \dress and \undress: you add something and \un* removes it Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 10:32:25 je Hans Hagen napisal(a): \skip skip specification : insert (flexible) glue \unskip: remove previous glue it's not so much different from \dress and \undress: you add something and \un* removes it …s, it's kind of like \start* \stop* embracing the content that should be skipped or not? pseudo-code: Some \entries I would, (\like) always and\skip, the \clever\unskip\skip (\bit) here\unskip. Cheers, Matija -- gsm:+386 41 849 552 www:http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Am 03.11.2010 um 10:38 schrieb Matija Šuklje: Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 10:32:25 je Hans Hagen napisal(a): \skip skip specification : insert (flexible) glue \unskip: remove previous glue it's not so much different from \dress and \undress: you add something and \un* removes it …s, it's kind of like \start* \stop* embracing the content that should be skipped or not? no, it’s about adding and removing space between words Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 10:53:58 je Wolfgang Schuster napisal(a): Am 03.11.2010 um 10:38 schrieb Matija Šuklje: no, it’s about adding and removing space between words Oh, OK. :\ So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces that are part of the citing style? Cheers, Matija -- gsm:+386 41 849 552 www:http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
that are part of the citing style?
You saved the values here in macros:
\def\zakon[#1][#2]%
{\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
{\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
\getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
\getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
\getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
\footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št.
\localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
\egroup}%
\setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}}
You can check for content in these macros with:
\doifsomething{\localtitle}{\localtitle}
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{something else}
\doifnothing{\localtitle}{no title}
\doifelsenothing{\localtitle}{no title}{\localtitle}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
that are part of the citing style?
You saved the values here in macros:
\def\zakon[#1][#2]%
{\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
{\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
\getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
\getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
\getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
\footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št.
\localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
\egroup}%
\setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}}
You can check for content in these macros with:
\doifsomething{\localtitle}{\localtitle}
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{something else}
\doifnothing{\localtitle}{no title}
\doifelsenothing{\localtitle}{no title}{\localtitle}
But this is what the macros \setuppublicationlayout and \insertXYZ are
already doing, right? Wouldn't it be easier to use those? Or is the
problem that something needs to be cited multiple times (once in
footnote and then again at the end of article)?
Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
On 11/03/10 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje:
So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces
that are part of the citing style?
Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
solution I see below.
You saved the values here in macros:
\def\zakon[#1][#2]%
{\doifdefinedelse{zakonkratko:#2}
{\zakonkratko[#1][#2]}
{\bgroup
\nocite[#2]%
\getcitedata[title][#2] to \localtitle
\getcitedata[kratko][#2] to \localkratko
\getcitedata[journal][#2] to \localjournal
\getcitedata[issue][#2] to \localissue
\getcitedata[volume][#2] to \localvolume
\getcitedata[spremembe][#2] to \localspremembe
\footnote{\localtitle\ (\localkratko), \localjournal, št.
\localissue/\localvolume\skip, \localspremembe.}%
\egroup}%
\setvalue{zakonkratko:#2}{done}}
You can check for content in these macros with:
\doifsomething{\localtitle}{\localtitle}
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{something else}
\doifnothing{\localtitle}{no title}
\doifelsenothing{\localtitle}{no title}{\localtitle}
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:13:01 je Mojca Miklavec napisal(a): On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 03.11.2010 um 11:00 schrieb Matija Šuklje: So, how do I skip missing bibliography fields and characters besides spaces that are part of the citing style? You saved the values here in macros: […] But this is what the macros \setuppublicationlayout and \insertXYZ are already doing, right? Wouldn't it be easier to use those? Or is the problem that something needs to be cited multiple times (once in footnote and then again at the end of article)? Each entry has to cited twice, yes — first in a shorter form in the footnote and then in the full form in the publications list at the end of the document. Cheers, Matija -- gsm:+386 41 849 552 www:http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:14:44 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a): Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro solution I see below. The style is prescribed by the faculty, so that's not really an option. :\ Cheers, Matija -- gsm:+386 41 849 552 www:http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Hi,
On 11/03/10 11:23, Matija Šuklje wrote:
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:14:44 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
solution I see below.
The style is prescribed by the faculty, so that's not really an option. :\
No I was going to propose to adjust the bibliography style, but
if you need it both inline and at the end, that does not work.
As Wolfgang wrote already, macros like
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{something else}
are the most important key to getting the formatting right.
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Difference between \skip and \unskip
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:28:08 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
Hi,
On 11/03/10 11:23, Matija Šuklje wrote:
Dne sreda 3. novembra 2010 ob 11:14:44 je Taco Hoekwater napisal(a):
Adjust the style? Certainly that is easier than the macro
solution I see below.
The style is prescribed by the faculty, so that's not really an option.
:\
No I was going to propose to adjust the bibliography style, but
if you need it both inline and at the end, that does not work.
Oh, OK. Will try something there (also Mojca was kind enough to take a look at
a full example).
Yes, two different citing styles — 1) footnote; 2) end of text — are needed
and that complicates the matters immensely.
As Wolfgang wrote already, macros like
\doifsomethingelse{\localtitle}{\localtitle}{something else}
are the most important key to getting the formatting right.
Will take a look and bug you if I don't figure it out, thanks.
Cheers,
Matija
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