Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 05:18:55PM -0700, Rory Molinari napisał(a): > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marcin Borkowski > wrote: > > I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist > > will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the "female" side more > > often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...) > > I doubt I will ever write enough documents for my coin to be subjected > to a statistically rigorous test of fairness! Agree, but try to explain that to a fanatic feminist! > Cheers, > Rory Best, -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist > will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the "female" side more > often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...) I doubt I will ever write enough documents for my coin to be subjected to a statistically rigorous test of fairness! Cheers, Rory ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisał(a): > I usually flip a coin to choose between "he" and "she" before I start > a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of > interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.) I like that! Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the "female" side more often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...) Regards -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:48 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: > Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide: > it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people > find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance. > > It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he' > to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another). > Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was > adopted because 'one' (the "real" correct unisex pronoun) is just too > awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads > surprisingly well. I would find a switch like that weird and disconcerting, as if the text were "unmoored" in some sense. I usually flip a coin to choose between "he" and "she" before I start a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.) I very much dislike the singular "they", though its use goes back centuries. Cheers, Rory > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Matija Šuklje wrote: >> Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): >>> * Matija Šuklje [2010-07-25 23:33]: >>> >-.-.- >>> >P.S. Is there a nicer wording then "(s)he" for referencing persona in >>> >unisex gender (other then "one")? >>> >>> The correct unisex pronoun is "he". This whole question is an invented >>> problem where no real problem exists. >> >> Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is >> always a bit odd. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Matija >> -- >> gsm: +386 41 849 552 >> www: http://matija.suklje.name >> xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org >> ___ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___ >> > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
On Monday 26 July 2010 01:47:13 David Rogers wrote: > * Matija Šuklje [2010-07-25 23:33]: > >-.-.- > >P.S. Is there a nicer wording then "(s)he" for referencing persona in > >unisex gender (other then "one")? > > The correct unisex pronoun is "he". This whole question is an invented > problem where no real problem exists. > > "They" is usually acceptable, even though it's technically incorrect. > Many teachers of English are against its use, but in "real life" nobody > cares. He sells sea shells by the sea shore? Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide: it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance. It seems the most successful/widely adopted form is to vary from 'he' to 'she' (so that in one sentence you use one, in the next another). Some authors even change the gender within a sentence. This method was adopted because 'one' (the "real" correct unisex pronoun) is just too awkward for extended use. The morphographic he/she/he/she method reads surprisingly well. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Matija Šuklje wrote: > Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): >> * Matija Šuklje [2010-07-25 23:33]: >> >-.-.- >> >P.S. Is there a nicer wording then "(s)he" for referencing persona in >> >unisex gender (other then "one")? >> >> The correct unisex pronoun is "he". This whole question is an invented >> problem where no real problem exists. > > Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is > always a bit odd. > > > Cheers, > Matija > -- > gsm: +386 41 849 552 > www: http://matija.suklje.name > xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
Dne ponedeljek 26. julija 2010 ob 01:47:13 je David Rogers napisal(a): > * Matija Šuklje [2010-07-25 23:33]: > >-.-.- > >P.S. Is there a nicer wording then "(s)he" for referencing persona in > >unisex gender (other then "one")? > > The correct unisex pronoun is "he". This whole question is an invented > problem where no real problem exists. Thanks for explaining. This unisex and other politically correct stuff is always a bit odd. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)
* Matija Šuklje [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then "(s)he" for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then "one")? The correct unisex pronoun is "he". This whole question is an invented problem where no real problem exists. "They" is usually acceptable, even though it's technically incorrect. Many teachers of English are against its use, but in "real life" nobody cares. -- David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
