Re: [NTG-context] Improving Pandoc Support for ConTeXt

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


 Aditya Mahajan 
 24. Oktober 2015 um 21:11
 On Mon, 19 Oct 2015, Andrew Dunning wrote:
>  It has been mentioned a few times on this list, with Pablo Rodríguez 
>  recently developing a set of templates for typesetting its XHTML output 
>  (at https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context). One of its aims is 
>  to ease the process of producing a high-quality PDF; it has the 
>  strongest support for LaTeX at the moment, but it seems to me that 
>  ConTeXt would ultimately provide a more reliable and lightweight 
>  solution. The basic support is already in place; it only needs to be 
>  more thoroughly updated to take advantage of MkIV.


 This translation is not written in a ConTeXtish way. A lot of

 \startmode[*en,*uk] \chapter{...} \stopmode
 \startmode[*es] \chapter {...} \stopmode

 etc could be written using \labeltext. For example:

 \chapter{\labeltext{notes}]

 \setuplabeltext[en][notes={Notes}]
 \setuplabeltext[es][notes={Notas}]
 etc.

Why don’t you use \headtext?


Because I did not know about it :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Improving Pandoc Support for ConTeXt

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Aditya Mahajan 
24. Oktober 2015 um 21:11
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015, Andrew Dunning wrote:
It has been mentioned a few times on this list, with Pablo Rodríguez 
recently developing a set of templates for typesetting its XHTML 
output (at https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context). One of 
its aims is to ease the process of producing a high-quality PDF; it 
has the strongest support for LaTeX at the moment, but it seems to me 
that ConTeXt would ultimately provide a more reliable and lightweight 
solution. The basic support is already in place; it only needs to be 
more thoroughly updated to take advantage of MkIV.


This translation is not written in a ConTeXtish way. A lot of

\startmode[*en,*uk] \chapter{...} \stopmode
\startmode[*es] \chapter {...} \stopmode

etc could be written using \labeltext. For example:

\chapter{\labeltext{notes}]

\setuplabeltext[en][notes={Notes}]
\setuplabeltext[es][notes={Notas}]
etc.

Why don’t you use \headtext?

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Improving Pandoc Support for ConTeXt

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015, Andrew Dunning wrote:


Dear list,

Pandoc, if you have not heard of it before, is a rather brilliant 
program for converting text between different markup languages: it 
allows, in essence, for technology-independent writing.


I used pandoc to generate class notes for a course (I needed to generate 
both HTML output and PDF output). I used the system for three years (I no 
longer teach that course), and I found pandoc to be very limiting, I ended 
up using a lot of preprocessing macros 
(https://randomdeterminism.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/how-i-stopped-worring-and-started-using-markdown-like-tex/)


It has been mentioned a few times on this list, with Pablo Rodríguez 
recently developing a set of templates for typesetting its XHTML output 
(at https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context). One of its aims is 
to ease the process of producing a high-quality PDF; it has the 
strongest support for LaTeX at the moment, but it seems to me that 
ConTeXt would ultimately provide a more reliable and lightweight 
solution. The basic support is already in place; it only needs to be 
more thoroughly updated to take advantage of MkIV.


This translation is not written in a ConTeXtish way. A lot of

\startmode[*en,*uk] \chapter{...} \stopmode
\startmode[*es] \chapter {...} \stopmode

etc could be written using \labeltext. For example:

\chapter{\labeltext{notes}]

\setuplabeltext[en][notes={Notes}]
\setuplabeltext[es][notes={Notas}]
etc.

I think that it will be easier if the pandoc-to-context code converts XML 
environments to ConTeXt environments and provides a default implementation 
of those environments.


For example, ..., etc. can be translated to ConTeXt 
macros (such as \pandocstrong{...}) rather than direct formatting 
commands. Then \pandocstrong could be defined as


\definehighlight[pandocstrong][style=bold]

Simplicarly, h2, h3, can be translated to \startpandocsection etc., 
allowing the user to change the level of the sections. Have a look at 
m-markdown in the source for such an implementation.


This makes it much easier for a user to change the style.

If you feel even more inclined to develop the Pandoc support for 
ConTeXt, its writer can be found at 
. 
In my experience, ConTeXt is much easier to use than LaTeX, but it is 
more difficult to get started with initially due to the lack of 
resources for new users; it is my hope that full support for it in 
Pandoc will provide one way of delving into it more deeply.


I think that parsing pandoc's XHTML output is a more robust solution than 
changing the ConTeXt writer.


I am working on improving Pandoc's generic ConTeXt template, at 
; 
the initial proposal is at 
, which aims to show 
more of ConTeXt’s potential to the user through making variables 
available that configure its options. I am still new to ConTeXt (having 
used LaTeX for several years), and could not find a recent starter 
document. The example at 
 is from 2006, and 
clearly does not exhibit the system’s full potential. I would be 
grateful to know of any potential areas for improvement.


I find that it is easier to write a new template according to my needs 
rather than make the default template flexible enough that it fits 
everyone's needs. One of the big advatanges of ConTeXt, as compared to 
LaTeX, is that it is relatively easy to write a new style starting from 
scratch.


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[NTG-context] Improving Pandoc Support for ConTeXt

[Andrew Dunning]

Dear list,

Pandoc, if you have not heard of it before, is a rather brilliant program for 
converting text between different markup languages: it allows, in essence, for 
technology-independent writing. It has been mentioned a few times on this list, 
with Pablo Rodríguez recently developing a set of templates for typesetting its 
XHTML output (at https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context). One of its 
aims is to ease the process of producing a high-quality PDF; it has the 
strongest support for LaTeX at the moment, but it seems to me that ConTeXt 
would ultimately provide a more reliable and lightweight solution. The basic 
support is already in place; it only needs to be more thoroughly updated to 
take advantage of MkIV.

I am working on improving Pandoc's generic ConTeXt template, at 
; the 
initial proposal is at , 
which aims to show more of ConTeXt’s potential to the user through making 
variables available that configure its options. I am still new to ConTeXt 
(having used LaTeX for several years), and could not find a recent starter 
document. The example at  is 
from 2006, and clearly does not exhibit the system’s full potential. I would be 
grateful to know of any potential areas for improvement.

If you feel even more inclined to develop the Pandoc support for ConTeXt, its 
writer can be found at 
. 
In my experience, ConTeXt is much easier to use than LaTeX, but it is more 
difficult to get started with initially due to the lack of resources for new 
users; it is my hope that full support for it in Pandoc will provide one way of 
delving into it more deeply.

All best,

Andrew Dunning
PhD Candidate
Centre for Medieval Studies
University of Toronto
http://andrewdunning.ca

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