Re: [NTG-context] Issues of Export

2015-08-27 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8/27/2015 11:33 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Another one:
Previously, section nodes had an implicit attribute with an id, I used that 
to conveniently splitting my book into chapters. Now it’s missing - is there a reason, or 
can I setup something to get it back?


it's sort of present but not in sync (some elements get it) ... fixed in 
next beta



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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of Export

2015-08-27 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Another one:
Previously, section nodes had an implicit attribute with an id, I used that 
to conveniently splitting my book into chapters. Now it’s missing - is there a 
reason, or can I setup something to get it back?


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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of export (structure bug)

2015-08-24 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8/24/2015 6:38 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2015-08-21 um 23:04 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:


from


\startchapter[title=Something]
...
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Something Else}]
...
\stopchapter


I get in *—raw.xml:

...
/sectioncontent
sectiontitleSomething Else/sectiontitle
/section
   section detail=chapter chain=chapter level=2 implicit=4
sectioncontent
…

That means, the title of a section is at the end of the previous section. 
Please fix!


Sorry, making a minimal example helps as usual.
My description was partly wrong: The section title is moved to the end of its 
own section.

It is caused by using a layer:


There is not much we can do about it. The export is not based on the 
input but on the way the input is used (basically we reconstruct). The 
solution for that is


- use xml as input and transform that
- use tex but use a different style for generating the export (this can 
be a rather basic one in this case:


\startnotmode[*export]

\setlayer[satzspiegel]{\externalfigure[koe]}
\setupbackgrounds[text][background=satzspiegel]

\stopnotmode

or so (the export system mode is set automatically). I'll add an export 
flag to the runner:


context foo --export

Hans


—
\setupbackend[export=yes]

\definelayer[satzspiegel][
width=\textwidth,height=\textheight,
location={left,bottom},
x=\textwidth,y=0mm]

\starttext

\startchapter[title={Chapter Two}]

%\input tufte

\setlayer[satzspiegel]{\externalfigure[koe]}
\setupbackgrounds[text][background=satzspiegel]

\input tufte

\stopchapter

\stoptext

—

from that I get:

—
document date=Mon Aug 24 10:32:56 2015 context=2015.08.21 19:57 version=0.34 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML; file=structurebug language=en
  metadata
  /metadata
  section detail=chapter chain=chapter implicit=1 level=2
   sectioncontent
image label=3.054cm height=3.054cm id=image-1 width=4.072cm 
name=koe/image
We thrive in information ... from the goats.  /sectioncontent
   sectionnumber1/sectionnumber
sectiontitleChapter Two/sectiontitle
   /section
/document
—

If I uncomment the first \input, the picture is still at the beginning of the 
chapter and its title at the end.



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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of export (structure bug)

2015-08-23 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2015-08-21 um 23:04 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:

 from
 
 
 \startchapter[title=Something]
 ...
 \stopchapter
 
 \startchapter[title={Something Else}]
 ...
 \stopchapter
 
 
 I get in *—raw.xml:
 
 ...
 /sectioncontent
sectiontitleSomething Else/sectiontitle
/section
   section detail=chapter chain=chapter level=2 implicit=4
sectioncontent
 …
 
 That means, the title of a section is at the end of the previous section. 
 Please fix!

Sorry, making a minimal example helps as usual.
My description was partly wrong: The section title is moved to the end of its 
own section.

It is caused by using a layer:

—
\setupbackend[export=yes]

\definelayer[satzspiegel][
width=\textwidth,height=\textheight,
location={left,bottom},
x=\textwidth,y=0mm]

\starttext

\startchapter[title={Chapter Two}]

%\input tufte

\setlayer[satzspiegel]{\externalfigure[koe]}
\setupbackgrounds[text][background=satzspiegel]

\input tufte

\stopchapter

\stoptext

—

from that I get:

—
document date=Mon Aug 24 10:32:56 2015 context=2015.08.21 19:57 
version=0.34 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML; file=structurebug 
language=en
 metadata
 /metadata
 section detail=chapter chain=chapter implicit=1 level=2
  sectioncontent
   image label=3.054cm height=3.054cm id=image-1 width=4.072cm 
name=koe/image
We thrive in information ... from the goats.  /sectioncontent
  sectionnumber1/sectionnumber
   sectiontitleChapter Two/sectiontitle
  /section
/document
—

If I uncomment the first \input, the picture is still at the beginning of the 
chapter and its title at the end.



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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of Export

2015-08-21 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8/15/2015 1:20 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Hi, finally coming back...

Am 2015-08-10 um 23:21 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:


On 8/10/2015 10:30 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

As listed on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export

Open Export issues as of 2014-01-20, still valid 2015-08-08
• Structure bug: Metadata ends up within the first section instead of 
in front of everything


ok, fixed for document level ... keep in mind that setting metadata always 
relates to the next element


Thanks, for me it’s good now.


• Names of metavariables are missing in div.xhtml

ok, i've added something


Works. Not that important anyway.


• Notes (footnotes): Only visual formatting, no semantical markup and 
no reference/ID

boring, so todo


Hey, I thought TeX would be about semantical markup? At the moment the markup 
for footnotes is purely graphical - a marker in the text, and the footnote 
somewhere later (where it appears on the printed page). E.g.

Bla bladescriptionsymbol detail=footnotesup1/sup/descriptionsymbol bla bla ba break/...description detail=footnote 
chain=footnotedescriptiontagsup1/sup /descriptiontagdescriptioncontentThis is the footnote 
text/descriptioncontent/description

That makes no sense and is very hard to process, even using xsl.
I would suggest to stay with the source flow instead of the output, if 
possible. E.g. markup like

Bla bladescription detail=footnote id=1 tag=1Footnote text/description

The id would be some internal id (I guess there is one?), the tag the footnote 
marker (as of \setupnotes).
Is that not possible and even simpler than the current version?


the code is there but its use got lost when updating something else (an 
id 'insert' that links the note and symbol)


btw, if you want them someplace else in the stream using end nodes makes 
sense



• Delimited: Quotations have tagging *and* quotation marks, even in 
raw.xml

i added symbol and content element


Less would be enough, but works this way.


• Firstpage/Lastpage is ignored in project structure

fuzzy, so todo


The keywords are defined in setup, I don’t understand where they get forgotten.


• Minimal example doesn’t create a cover at all

no beta yet


? Is this intentional, or what triggers the creation of cover.xhtml?

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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of export (structure bug)

2015-08-21 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8/17/2015 1:56 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Hi, there’s another structure bug in export:

from


\startchapter[title=Something]
...
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Something Else}]
...
\stopchapter


I get in *—raw.xml:

...
/sectioncontent
sectiontitleSomething Else/sectiontitle
/section
   section detail=chapter chain=chapter level=2 implicit=4
sectioncontent
…

That means, the title of a section is at the end of the previous section. 
Please fix!


i get

 section detail=chapter chain=chapter level=2 implicit=1
  sectionnumber1/sectionnumber
   sectiontitleSomething/sectiontitle
  sectioncontent
...  /sectioncontent
 /section
 section detail=chapter chain=chapter level=2 implicit=2
  sectionnumber2/sectionnumber
   sectiontitleSomething Else/sectiontitle
  sectioncontent
...  /sectioncontent
 /section



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[NTG-context] Issues of export (structure bug)

2015-08-17 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Hi, there’s another structure bug in export:

from


\startchapter[title=Something]
...
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title={Something Else}]
...
\stopchapter


I get in *—raw.xml:

...
/sectioncontent
   sectiontitleSomething Else/sectiontitle
   /section
  section detail=chapter chain=chapter level=2 implicit=4
   sectioncontent
…

That means, the title of a section is at the end of the previous section. 
Please fix!


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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of Export

2015-08-15 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Hi, finally coming back...

Am 2015-08-10 um 23:21 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:

 On 8/10/2015 10:30 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
 As listed on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export
 
 Open Export issues as of 2014-01-20, still valid 2015-08-08
  • Structure bug: Metadata ends up within the first section instead of 
 in front of everything
 
 ok, fixed for document level ... keep in mind that setting metadata always 
 relates to the next element

Thanks, for me it’s good now.

  • Names of metavariables are missing in div.xhtml
 ok, i've added something

Works. Not that important anyway.

  • Notes (footnotes): Only visual formatting, no semantical markup and 
 no reference/ID
 boring, so todo

Hey, I thought TeX would be about semantical markup? At the moment the markup 
for footnotes is purely graphical - a marker in the text, and the footnote 
somewhere later (where it appears on the printed page). E.g.

Bla bladescriptionsymbol detail=footnotesup1/sup/descriptionsymbol 
bla bla ba break/...description detail=footnote 
chain=footnotedescriptiontagsup1/sup 
/descriptiontagdescriptioncontentThis is the footnote 
text/descriptioncontent/description

That makes no sense and is very hard to process, even using xsl.
I would suggest to stay with the source flow instead of the output, if 
possible. E.g. markup like

Bla bladescription detail=footnote id=1 tag=1Footnote text/description

The id would be some internal id (I guess there is one?), the tag the footnote 
marker (as of \setupnotes).
Is that not possible and even simpler than the current version?

  • Delimited: Quotations have tagging *and* quotation marks, even in 
 raw.xml
 i added symbol and content element

Less would be enough, but works this way.

  • Firstpage/Lastpage is ignored in project structure
 fuzzy, so todo

The keywords are defined in setup, I don’t understand where they get forgotten.

  • Minimal example doesn’t create a cover at all
 no beta yet

? Is this intentional, or what triggers the creation of cover.xhtml?

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Re: [NTG-context] Issues of Export

2015-08-10 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8/10/2015 10:30 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

As listed on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export

Open Export issues as of 2014-01-20, still valid 2015-08-08
• Structure bug: Metadata ends up within the first section instead of 
in front of everything


ok, fixed for document level ... keep in mind that setting metadata 
always relates to the next element



• Names of metavariables are missing in div.xhtml


ok, i've added something


• Notes (footnotes): Only visual formatting, no semantical markup and 
no reference/ID


boring, so todo


• Delimited: Quotations have tagging *and* quotation marks, even in 
raw.xml


i added symbol and content element


• Firstpage/Lastpage is ignored in project structure


fuzzy, so todo


• Minimal example doesn’t create a cover at all


no beta yet

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[NTG-context] Issues of Export

2015-08-10 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
As listed on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export

Open Export issues as of 2014-01-20, still valid 2015-08-08
• Structure bug: Metadata ends up within the first section instead of 
in front of everything
• Names of metavariables are missing in div.xhtml
• Notes (footnotes): Only visual formatting, no semantical markup and 
no reference/ID
• Delimited: Quotations have tagging *and* quotation marks, even in 
raw.xml
• Firstpage/Lastpage is ignored in project structure
• Minimal example doesn’t create a cover at all


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Re: [NTG-context] Issues in export

2015-01-20 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2015-01-20 um 14:52 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm te...@fiee.net:

 Ok, I’ll start a wishlist.

See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export#Open_Issues

Another issue: Quotations show up like
delimited detail=quotation-1“Prophet!”/delimited

The tagging is fine, even if I don’t understand „-1“, but the quotation marks 
are too much, at least in *-raw.xml


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Re: [NTG-context] Issues in export

2015-01-20 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2015-01-19 um 15:44 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:

 In raw.xml I’d prefer something like
 
 
 Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1by Edgar Allan Poe/description
 
 
 or
 
 
 Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1 /
 ...
   description detail=footnote id=1
descriptiontag1/descriptiontag
descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/descriptioncontent
   /description
 
 
 and in div.xhtml something that works in HTML, like a title:
 
 Well, basically the export is visual with a few goodies; a footnote is 
 nothing special unless i intercept it as such and even then it would be 
 'note' and again something generic it's probably no big deal to provide the 
 crosslinked reference between the items but that would then not be '1' 
 because there can be many 1's. Just collect such wishes and i can look at it 
 when i'm in epub mode again.

Visual might be ok, but please leave out „hard“ formatting like sup.
The 1 is just a placeholder - doesn’t ConTeXt have some suitable internal ID?

Ok, I’ll start a wishlist.

 
 Quothdiv class=descriptionsymbol footnote title=by Edgar Al­lan 
 Poediv class=sup1/div/div
 
 That would be kind of arbitrary and unnatural: why should some content (of a 
 description) suddenly end up as an attribute title.

Just because it works in HTML. Of course it wouldn’t work with long or nested 
footnotes.
And of course it’s a matter of taste (and usage of notes) if it makes sense to 
keep notes at the noted text.

 or a link:
 
 Quotha href=#footnote_1div class=descriptionsymbol footnotediv 
 class=sup1/div/div/a
 …
 a name=„footnote_1“
   div class=description footnote
div class=descriptiontagdiv class=sup1/div /div
div class=descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/div
   /div
 /a
 
 an automated link (when no reference is given) sounds ok

Also here I’d use an unique note ID as anchor.


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Re: [NTG-context] Issues in export

2015-01-20 Thread Hans Hagen

On 1/20/2015 10:19 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2015-01-20 um 14:52 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm te...@fiee.net:


Ok, I’ll start a wishlist.


See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export#Open_Issues

Another issue: Quotations show up like
delimited detail=quotation-1“Prophet!”/delimited

The tagging is fine, even if I don’t understand „-1“, but the quotation marks 
are too much, at least in *-raw.xml


i can tag them (just add it to the wishlist)


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Re: [NTG-context] Issues in export

2015-01-20 Thread Hans Hagen

On 1/20/2015 9:52 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am 2015-01-19 um 15:44 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:


In raw.xml I’d prefer something like


Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1by Edgar Allan Poe/description


or


Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1 /
...
   description detail=footnote id=1
descriptiontag1/descriptiontag
descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/descriptioncontent
   /description


and in div.xhtml something that works in HTML, like a title:


Well, basically the export is visual with a few goodies; a footnote is nothing 
special unless i intercept it as such and even then it would be 'note' and 
again something generic it's probably no big deal to provide the crosslinked 
reference between the items but that would then not be '1' because there can be 
many 1's. Just collect such wishes and i can look at it when i'm in epub mode 
again.


Visual might be ok, but please leave out „hard“ formatting like sup.


well, that would demand a lot more analysis as technically it can be a 
quote or whatever a user has set up ... keep in mind that we start from 
typesetting and not abstractions with prescribed rules (so we cannto 
demand users to stick to only things that html likes)


if needed i can tag the symbols so that they can be nilled in a css


The 1 is just a placeholder - doesn’t ConTeXt have some suitable internal ID?


it often has but not exclusive (it can use a namespaces so there can be 
several 1's)



Ok, I’ll start a wishlist.


ok




Quothdiv class=descriptionsymbol footnote title=by Edgar Al­lan Poediv 
class=sup1/div/div


That would be kind of arbitrary and unnatural: why should some content (of a 
description) suddenly end up as an attribute title.


Just because it works in HTML. Of course it wouldn’t work with long or nested 
footnotes.
And of course it’s a matter of taste (and usage of notes) if it makes sense to 
keep notes at the noted text.


'it works in html' is a weak argument (as html is a rather messy evolved 
bunch of tags) .. what works now (or worked in the past) can be 
different (or depricated) in the future (take mathml: chrome dropped it)


i think that all these special cases also depend on the usage so there 
is always the option of some css or xslt juggling .. the export can only 
provide the info (and even then only info is has)



or a link:

Quotha href=#footnote_1div class=descriptionsymbol footnotediv 
class=sup1/div/div/a
…
a name=„footnote_1“
   div class=description footnote
div class=descriptiontagdiv class=sup1/div /div
div class=descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/div
   /div
/a


an automated link (when no reference is given) sounds ok


Also here I’d use an unique note ID as anchor.


a footnote is a note which is a combination of a floating object and a 
notation which is a kind of description which itself is ...


there can be all kind of notes not even being footnotes and although 
there is some relation and in most cases only 'footnotes' it will always 
need some care in the final 'epub'


i can provide some crosslink info (although that will be overridden when 
a user gives explicit references)


(footnotes in an epub are kind of not-done anyway)



Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Issues in export

2015-01-19 Thread Hans Hagen

On 1/17/2015 5:15 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Hi, please consider the example at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export#More_useful_example
and its result at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export#raw.xml_2 etc.

The metadata tags end up within the first section (in this case: chapter), 
even if they’re defined before \starttext.

Please fix, thanks.



Further, I wonder about the tagging of footnotes (and probably other 
references, didn’t look into them yet):
This is completely visual instead of semantical:

(in *-raw.xml:)

Quothdescriptionsymbol detail=footnotesup1/sup/descriptionsymbol
...
   description detail=footnote chain=footnote
descriptiontagsup1/sup /descriptiontag
descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/descriptioncontent
   /description



(in *-div.xhtml:)

Quothdiv class=descriptionsymbol footnotediv class=sup1/div/div
...
   div class=description footnote
div class=descriptiontagdiv class=sup1/div /div
div class=descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/div
   /div


In raw.xml I’d prefer something like


Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1by Edgar Allan Poe/description


or


Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1 /
...
   description detail=footnote id=1
descriptiontag1/descriptiontag
descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/descriptioncontent
   /description


and in div.xhtml something that works in HTML, like a title:


Well, basically the export is visual with a few goodies; a footnote is 
nothing special unless i intercept it as such and even then it would be 
'note' and again something generic it's probably no big deal to provide 
the crosslinked reference between the items but that would then not be 
'1' because there can be many 1's. Just collect such wishes and i can 
look at it when i'm in epub mode again.



Quothdiv class=descriptionsymbol footnote title=by Edgar Al­lan Poediv 
class=sup1/div/div


That would be kind of arbitrary and unnatural: why should some content 
(of a description) suddenly end up as an attribute title.



or a link:



Quotha href=#footnote_1div class=descriptionsymbol footnotediv 
class=sup1/div/div/a
…
a name=„footnote_1“
   div class=description footnote
div class=descriptiontagdiv class=sup1/div /div
div class=descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/div
   /div
/a


an automated link (when no reference is given) sounds ok

Hans


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[NTG-context] Issues in export

2015-01-17 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Hi, please consider the example at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export#More_useful_example
and its result at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Export#raw.xml_2 etc.

The metadata tags end up within the first section (in this case: chapter), 
even if they’re defined before \starttext.

Please fix, thanks.



Further, I wonder about the tagging of footnotes (and probably other 
references, didn’t look into them yet):
This is completely visual instead of semantical:

(in *-raw.xml:)

Quothdescriptionsymbol detail=footnotesup1/sup/descriptionsymbol
...
  description detail=footnote chain=footnote
   descriptiontagsup1/sup /descriptiontag
   descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/descriptioncontent
  /description

(in *-div.xhtml:)

Quothdiv class=descriptionsymbol footnotediv class=sup1/div/div
...
  div class=description footnote
   div class=descriptiontagdiv class=sup1/div /div
   div class=descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/div
  /div


In raw.xml I’d prefer something like


Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1by Edgar Allan Poe/description 


or


Quothdescription detail=footnote id=1 /
...
  description detail=footnote id=1
   descriptiontag1/descriptiontag
   descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/descriptioncontent
  /description


and in div.xhtml something that works in HTML, like a title:


Quothdiv class=descriptionsymbol footnote title=by Edgar Al­lan Poediv 
class=sup1/div/div


or a link:


Quotha href=#footnote_1div class=descriptionsymbol footnotediv 
class=sup1/div/div/a
…
a name=„footnote_1“
  div class=description footnote
   div class=descriptiontagdiv class=sup1/div /div
   div class=descriptioncontentby Edgar Al­lan Poe/div
  /div
/a


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