Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-20 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 3/19/2021 9:49 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Wow, Hans, that looks awesome. Thanks a lot.

This is a nice example:

\setuplayout[tight]

\usebodyfont[modern]
\usebodyfont[pagella]
\usebodyfont[ebgaramond]
\usebodyfont[dejavu]

% \enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied]
\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied.visualize]
% \enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied.console]

\startbuffer
\samplefile{tufte}
\blank
{\hsize 4em \dorecurse{4}{x\discretionary{aa}{bb}{cc}x #1 }}
\blank
\stopbuffer

\starttext

\switchtobodyfont[modern] \getbuffer
\switchtobodyfont[pagella]\getbuffer
\switchtobodyfont[ebgaramond] \getbuffer
\switchtobodyfont[dejavu] \getbuffer

\stoptext

When tex had constructed lines, there are so called discretionary nodes 
left; the pre part gets appended at the end of a line, the postpart 
injected at the start of the next one. Officially the discretionaries 
stay although in mkiv/lmtx we wipe them from the lines.


In the example above you see 'red' glyphs that are the used pre part, 
'blue' ones that are the (seldom used) post parts and the 'green' ones 
are replacement texts (used when there is no cross linebreak treatment 
needed).


Maybe this helps you wikifying it ...

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-19 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 3/19/2021 9:49 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Wow, Hans, that looks awesome. Thanks a lot.

Regarding the first output: What are the numbers intended to mean?


The number of time that this word was used hyphenated (the same word can 
of course end up hyphenated differently in the paragraph).



In the second example we're talking in terms of lines in the input file, right?


No, the linenumber but because I use a loop it's all the same line; in 
practice these numbers point you to the paragraph start which is good 
enough.



If so, would it make sense to add some more context? Like so, or similar:

hyhenated   > around line 244 ( "our marvelous and everyday capacity to 
select") in file hup.tex: every-day


As said, normally you have that info (I can probably add the offset but 
i assume that one is not going to check every hyphenation.)



In any case, that's already super conventient. I'll put together a script to 
compare hyphenations with a whitelist and upload that to the wiki once it's 
ready.

What's the performance hit of all this? (I mean should you disable this and 
only run when needed, or can you safely leave the trackers enabled?)


measures on my 2013 laptop: a 1000 times \samplefile{tufte}\par takes:

pagella:

1000 steps, 4.140 seconds, 0.004140215 per step
1000 steps, 4.222 seconds, 0.004221645 per step

runtime: 4.937 seconds, 250 processed pages, 250 shipped pages, 50.635 
pages/second


latin modern:

1000 steps, 2.947 seconds, 0.002947476 per step
1000 steps, 3.043 seconds, 0.003042808 per step

runtime: 3.549 seconds, 223 processed pages, 223 shipped pages, 62.840 
pages/second


so not really a problem and i can probaby make it a bit faster (but we 
need to keep up with the urban myth that context is the slower system)


(it's not something i'd turn on by default)



Thanks again for your help!

Denis

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Von: Hans Hagen 
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. März 2021 19:09
An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) ; ntg-context@ntg.nl
Betreff: Re: AW: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

On 3/19/2021 1:00 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Hans Hagen 
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. März 2021 12:44
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Maier, Denis
Christian (UB) 
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

On 3/19/2021 11:47 AM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Hi

Is there  a way to conveniently track hyphenations ? I've had a look
at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers
<https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers> but couldn't find anything.

depends on what you want to track

Something like this: Add every hyphenated word to the log file, like
hyphenations > 'What-ever' , realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
hyphenations > 'Some-thing', realpage 2, userpage 2, subpage 2

You could then feed that into a script to produce a lists of all kinds, e.g., 
each hyphenation only once, sorted by page or by letter, with or without 
information about pages.

Forget about specific pagenumbers ... pages can get broken in the middle
of a paragraph and it's not worth the trouble of keeping track of / 
analyzing that detail (as usual all can be done but these are features that 
hardly anyone uses, get forgotten and probably no one can find where it's 
documents because no one expects it).

Anyway, a pre-weekend distaction:

\starttext

\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied]
\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied.console]

\dontcomplain \dostepwiserecurse{0}{15}{1}{
  {\advance\hsize -#1cm \input tufte \par} }

\stoptext

This will give you in the log file (first and second); the test run has narrow 
lines where one word crossed several lines, which actually is the main 
complication here:

hyhenated   > start hyphenated words

hyhenated   >2 : ab-stract,
hyhenated   >1 : ag-gre-gate,
hyhenated   >3 : ag-gregate,
hyhenated   >3 : aggre-gate,
hyhenated   >1 : ap-prox-i-mate,
hyhenated   >2 : ap-proximate,
hyhenated   >3 : approx-imate,
hyhenated   >1 : approxi-mate,
hyhenated   >1 : av-er-age,
hyhenated   >1 : av-erage,
hyhenated   >3 : be-cause
hyhenated   >1 : ca-pac-ity
hyhenated   >4 : ca-pacity
hyhenated   >1 : capac-ity
hyhenated   >1 : cat-a-log,
hyhenated   >2 : cat-alog,
hyhenated   >1 : cat-e-go-rize,
hyhenated   >3 : cat-egorize,
hyhenated   >1 : cata-log,
hyhenated   >1 : cate-gorize,
hyhenated   >2 : catego-rize,
hyhenated   >3 : clas-sify,
hyhenated   >3 : clus-ter,
hyhenated   >3 : con-dense,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-crim-i-nate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-crimi-nate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-criminate,
hyhenated

Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-19 Thread denis.maier 
Wow, Hans, that looks awesome. Thanks a lot.

Regarding the first output: What are the numbers intended to mean?

In the second example we're talking in terms of lines in the input file, right?
If so, would it make sense to add some more context? Like so, or similar:

hyhenated   > around line 244 ( "our marvelous and everyday capacity to 
select") in file hup.tex: every-day

In any case, that's already super conventient. I'll put together a script to 
compare hyphenations with a whitelist and upload that to the wiki once it's 
ready.

What's the performance hit of all this? (I mean should you disable this and 
only run when needed, or can you safely leave the trackers enabled?)

Thanks again for your help!

Denis

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Hans Hagen  
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. März 2021 19:09
An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) ; ntg-context@ntg.nl
Betreff: Re: AW: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

On 3/19/2021 1:00 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Hans Hagen 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. März 2021 12:44
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Maier, Denis 
> Christian (UB) 
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations
> 
> On 3/19/2021 11:47 AM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Is there  a way to conveniently track hyphenations ? I've had a look 
>> at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers
>> <https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers> but couldn't find anything.
> depends on what you want to track
> 
> Something like this: Add every hyphenated word to the log file, like 
> hyphenations > 'What-ever' , realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1 
> hyphenations > 'Some-thing', realpage 2, userpage 2, subpage 2
> 
> You could then feed that into a script to produce a lists of all kinds, e.g., 
> each hyphenation only once, sorted by page or by letter, with or without 
> information about pages.
Forget about specific pagenumbers ... pages can get broken in the middle 
   of a paragraph and it's not worth the trouble of keeping track of / 
analyzing that detail (as usual all can be done but these are features that 
hardly anyone uses, get forgotten and probably no one can find where it's 
documents because no one expects it).

Anyway, a pre-weekend distaction:

\starttext

\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied]
\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied.console]

\dontcomplain \dostepwiserecurse{0}{15}{1}{
 {\advance\hsize -#1cm \input tufte \par} }

\stoptext

This will give you in the log file (first and second); the test run has narrow 
lines where one word crossed several lines, which actually is the main 
complication here:

hyhenated   > start hyphenated words

hyhenated   >2 : ab-stract,
hyhenated   >1 : ag-gre-gate,
hyhenated   >3 : ag-gregate,
hyhenated   >3 : aggre-gate,
hyhenated   >1 : ap-prox-i-mate,
hyhenated   >2 : ap-proximate,
hyhenated   >3 : approx-imate,
hyhenated   >1 : approxi-mate,
hyhenated   >1 : av-er-age,
hyhenated   >1 : av-erage,
hyhenated   >3 : be-cause
hyhenated   >1 : ca-pac-ity
hyhenated   >4 : ca-pacity
hyhenated   >1 : capac-ity
hyhenated   >1 : cat-a-log,
hyhenated   >2 : cat-alog,
hyhenated   >1 : cat-e-go-rize,
hyhenated   >3 : cat-egorize,
hyhenated   >1 : cata-log,
hyhenated   >1 : cate-gorize,
hyhenated   >2 : catego-rize,
hyhenated   >3 : clas-sify,
hyhenated   >3 : clus-ter,
hyhenated   >3 : con-dense,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-crim-i-nate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-crimi-nate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-criminate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-tin-guish,
hyhenated   >3 : dis-tinguish,
hyhenated   >2 : discrim-inate,
hyhenated   >2 : distin-guish,
hyhenated   >1 : enu-mer-ate,
hyhenated   >2 : enu-merate,
hyhenated   >1 : enumer-ate,
hyhenated   >5 : every-day
hyhenated   >3 : fil-ter,
hyhenated   >2 : fo-cus,
hyhenated   >1 : har-mo-nize,
hyhenated   >1 : har-monize,
hyhenated   >2 : harmo-nize,
hyhenated   >6 : high-light,
hyhenated   >1 : ide-al-ize,
hyhenated   >2 : ide-alize,
hyhenated   >1 : ideal-ize,
hyhenated   >1 : in-for-ma-tion
hyhenated   >1 : in-forma-tionthick
hyhenated   >1 : in-formationthick
hyhenated   >3 : in-spect,
hyhenated   >1 : in-te-grate,
hyhenated   >2 : in-tegrate,
hyhenated   >1 : informa-tionthick
hyhenated   >3 : inte-grate,
hyhenated   >5 :

Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-19 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 3/19/2021 1:00 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Hans Hagen 
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. März 2021 12:44
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Maier, Denis Christian (UB) 

Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

On 3/19/2021 11:47 AM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Hi

Is there  a way to conveniently track hyphenations ? I've had a look
at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers
<https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers> but couldn't find anything.

depends on what you want to track

Something like this: Add every hyphenated word to the log file, like hyphenations 
> 'What-ever' , realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
hyphenations > 'Some-thing', realpage 2, userpage 2, subpage 2

You could then feed that into a script to produce a lists of all kinds, e.g., 
each hyphenation only once, sorted by page or by letter, with or without 
information about pages.
Forget about specific pagenumbers ... pages can get broken in the middle 
  of a paragraph and it's not worth the trouble of keeping track of / 
analyzing that detail (as usual all can be done but these are features 
that hardly anyone uses, get forgotten and probably no one can find 
where it's documents because no one expects it).


Anyway, a pre-weekend distaction:

\starttext

\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied]
\enabletrackers[hyphenation.applied.console]

\dontcomplain \dostepwiserecurse{0}{15}{1}{
{\advance\hsize -#1cm \input tufte \par}
}

\stoptext

This will give you in the log file (first and second); the test run has 
narrow lines where one word crossed several lines, which actually is the 
main complication here:


hyhenated   > start hyphenated words

hyhenated   >2 : ab-stract,
hyhenated   >1 : ag-gre-gate,
hyhenated   >3 : ag-gregate,
hyhenated   >3 : aggre-gate,
hyhenated   >1 : ap-prox-i-mate,
hyhenated   >2 : ap-proximate,
hyhenated   >3 : approx-imate,
hyhenated   >1 : approxi-mate,
hyhenated   >1 : av-er-age,
hyhenated   >1 : av-erage,
hyhenated   >3 : be-cause
hyhenated   >1 : ca-pac-ity
hyhenated   >4 : ca-pacity
hyhenated   >1 : capac-ity
hyhenated   >1 : cat-a-log,
hyhenated   >2 : cat-alog,
hyhenated   >1 : cat-e-go-rize,
hyhenated   >3 : cat-egorize,
hyhenated   >1 : cata-log,
hyhenated   >1 : cate-gorize,
hyhenated   >2 : catego-rize,
hyhenated   >3 : clas-sify,
hyhenated   >3 : clus-ter,
hyhenated   >3 : con-dense,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-crim-i-nate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-crimi-nate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-criminate,
hyhenated   >1 : dis-tin-guish,
hyhenated   >3 : dis-tinguish,
hyhenated   >2 : discrim-inate,
hyhenated   >2 : distin-guish,
hyhenated   >1 : enu-mer-ate,
hyhenated   >2 : enu-merate,
hyhenated   >1 : enumer-ate,
hyhenated   >5 : every-day
hyhenated   >3 : fil-ter,
hyhenated   >2 : fo-cus,
hyhenated   >1 : har-mo-nize,
hyhenated   >1 : har-monize,
hyhenated   >2 : harmo-nize,
hyhenated   >6 : high-light,
hyhenated   >1 : ide-al-ize,
hyhenated   >2 : ide-alize,
hyhenated   >1 : ideal-ize,
hyhenated   >1 : in-for-ma-tion
hyhenated   >1 : in-forma-tionthick
hyhenated   >1 : in-formationthick
hyhenated   >3 : in-spect,
hyhenated   >1 : in-te-grate,
hyhenated   >2 : in-tegrate,
hyhenated   >1 : informa-tionthick
hyhenated   >3 : inte-grate,
hyhenated   >5 : iso-late,
hyhenated   >4 : item-ize,
hyhenated   >3 : mar-velous
hyhenated   >1 : or-ga-nize,
hyhenated   >1 : orga-nize,
hyhenated   >5 : out-line,
hyhenated   >1 : pi-geon-hole,
hyhenated   >6 : pigeon-hole,
hyhenated   >3 : re-duce,
hyhenated   >4 : re-fine,
hyhenated   >2 : re-view,
hyhenated   >4 : se-lect,
hyhenated   >1 : sep-a-rate
hyhenated   >1 : sepa-rate
hyhenated   >3 : sin-gle
hyhenated   >4 : struc-ture,
hyhenated   >1 : sum-ma-rize,
hyhenated   >4 : sum-marize,
hyhenated   >1 : summa-rize,
hyhenated   >1 : syn-op-size,
hyhenated   >2 : syn-opsize,
hyhenated   >1 : syn-the-size,
hyhenated   >3 : syn-thesize,
hyhenated   >1 : synop-size,
hyhenated   >2 : synthe-size,
hyhenated   >5 : win-now

hyhenated   > stop hyphenated words

and on the console and log (second tracker) lots of

pages

Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-19 Thread denis.maier 
Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Hans Hagen  
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. März 2021 12:44
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Maier, Denis Christian 
(UB) 
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

On 3/19/2021 11:47 AM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Is there  a way to conveniently track hyphenations ? I've had a look 
> at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers
> <https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers> but couldn't find anything.
depends on what you want to track

Something like this: Add every hyphenated word to the log file, like 
hyphenations > 'What-ever' , realpage 1, userpage 1, subpage 1
hyphenations > 'Some-thing', realpage 2, userpage 2, subpage 2 

You could then feed that into a script to produce a lists of all kinds, e.g., 
each hyphenation only once, sorted by page or by letter, with or without 
information about pages.

Denis 
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Re: [NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-19 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 3/19/2021 11:47 AM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

Hi

Is there  a way to conveniently track hyphenations ? I’ve had a look at 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers 
 but couldn’t find anything.

depends on what you want to track

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[NTG-context] Keeping track of hyphenations

2021-03-19 Thread denis.maier 
Hi
Is there  a way to conveniently track hyphenations ? I've had a look at 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Trackers but couldn't find anything.

I'm thinking of something like this: add information about all hyphenated words 
to the log so that this could be further processed with a script maybe.

All the best,
Denis
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