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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-22 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5/20/2016 11:02 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

On 05/20/2016 09:51 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:

Hi Pablo,

Thanks to have correct my mistake. It works !
If you take this sample and place the number 8 in \dorecurse{4} in
place of 4, you'll see something which is better than our first
attempts. Now, it's only the last paragraph of the first page, which is
messed up. After a somehow puzzled or erratic Wille zu Macht in the
location of this last paragraph, ConTeXt locates very fine the last ones
and does what it has to do ! But it's better to say that my code is weak ...


Hi Jean-Pierre,

there is something weird with columns and the last paragraph.


i uploaded a beta with somewhat better multiple node class handling in 
mixed columns



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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-22 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5/21/2016 12:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:

Hi Pablo,

I'm trying to find a path through the 2 columns set greek-latin with 'criticus 
apparatus'.


i'm surprised that you something with columnsets at all (the notes part)

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-22 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5/22/2016 9:20 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:

Hi Pablo,

Reading the documentation again (i.e. columnsets.pdf), I see that the module 
\definecolumnset[example][n=2] allow how to define how many pages we want a set 
of columns, each of one being define with its own number of lines and so on. 
Therefore, the behaviour of the first page will be different of the second, 
etc. Further, one have to imagine a first recto (odd) page blank, followed by 
an even page (even, left page) with a double columns (greek-latin text) and the 
next third page (odd one) with commentaries. Then, one have to define the 
layout, because the number of lines of the greek-latin text on left page has to 
fit with the commentaries on the right page (and because it is not the same 
layout). Moreover, one can imagine for the moment a printed odd page (on left 
page) and a blank one (on the right page).
Maybe it is this behaviour (when a page is filled)- and necessary there is 
another behaviour to deal with when context parse for the even page - about 
which we have to scrutinize.

The purpose of columnset module is to set how many column for a single page and 
how to fit this columns to a number of defined pages (with titles and 
pictures). Its goal is not to make separate columns on the same page. At least 
as far as I can understand the process.


indeed .. meant for magazine like typesetting or other special purposes 
(often a mix between automatic and handcrafted)


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-22 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo and others columns addicts !
I answer to myself, trying to understand why there is a mismatch when trying to 
parse a bunch of pages with 2 columns. It seems to have a problem with filling 
the page, even on the first page. I get back to basics and to the 
documentation, testing an explicit sample (sample 901, page 45, on numbering 
lines on 2 columns set).

I change the section title and I copy/paste the first paragraph of an english 
translation of an Aristotelian text. I put 'regular' instead of 'bold' for 
numbering lines.
Please, would you mind to test this following code ?
JP



\usemodule[newcolumnsets]
\definecolumnset[example][n=2,page=middle,distance=1cm]
\setupcolumnset
[example]
[background=contrast]
% \definecolor[fakerulecolor][white] \faketriggertrue
\setuphead
[section]
[style=\bfd]
\setuplinenumbering
[style=regular,
distance=0pt,
align=inner]
\starttext
\startcolumnset[example]
\dorecurse{30}{
\startsection[title=Things are said to be named #1]
\startlinenumbering
Things are said to be named 'equivocally' when, though they have a common name, 
the definition corresponding with the name differs for each. Thus, a real man 
and a figure in a picture can both lay claim to the name 'animal'; yet these 
are equivocally so named, for, though they have a common name, the definition 
corresponding with the name differs for each. For should any one define in what 
sense each is an animal, his definition in the one case will be appropriate to 
that case only.\par
\stoplinenumbering
\stopsection}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext





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De: "Jean-Pierre Delange" <adeiman...@free.fr>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Dimanche 22 Mai 2016 09:20:16
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

Hi Pablo,

Reading the documentation again (i.e. columnsets.pdf), I see that the module 
\definecolumnset[example][n=2] allow how to define how many pages we want a set 
of columns, each of one being define with its own number of lines and so on. 
Therefore, the behaviour of the first page will be different of the second, 
etc. Further, one have to imagine a first recto (odd) page blank, followed by 
an even page (even, left page) with a double columns (greek-latin text) and the 
next third page (odd one) with commentaries. Then, one have to define the 
layout, because the number of lines of the greek-latin text on left page has to 
fit with the commentaries on the right page (and because it is not the same 
layout). Moreover, one can imagine for the moment a printed odd page (on left 
page) and a blank one (on the right page).
Maybe it is this behaviour (when a page is filled)- and necessary there is 
another behaviour to deal with when context parse for the even page - about 
which we have to scrutinize.

The purpose of columnset module is to set how many column for a single page and 
how to fit this columns to a number of defined pages (with titles and 
pictures). Its goal is not to make separate columns on the same page. At least 
as far as I can understand the process.
JP

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De: "Jean-Pierre Delange" <adeiman...@free.fr>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Samedi 21 Mai 2016 12:16:44
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

Hi Pablo,

I'm trying to find a path through the 2 columns set greek-latin with 'criticus 
apparatus'.

1. If you put a bigger text for avoid the \dorecurse command, with 
\definecolumnset[example][n=2, balance=yes] in the preamble, then the following 
coding (note: \startcolumnset and \stopcolumnset commands), all is well as ends 
well IF ONLY the text's length is less than a page. If the text length is 
larger than one page, there is a mismatch as a result, where the latin text 
goes is overprinted on the French text and the footnotes are overprinted by the 
Greek text.

2. Moreover, if you comment the \dorecurse command, with a short Greek and 
Latin text (only a paragraph each), all the notes are well printed, the same 
for the numbering line, but the French text is overprinted by the right column 
Latin ! (Points 1., and 2. without  ConteXt complaining or any error in the log 
file.

3. Now, return to the \dorecurse command, as follow : 
\dorecurse{8}{
\startcolumnset[example]{
\Stephanus{1a} [1a] Ὁμώνυμα [...greek text...]
etc.
The result is the same as point 2.
I conclude there is a problem with the columnset command...

4. Now, I wonder if there is not a problem with brackets around the Greek-Latin 
text...
Jp



\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de t

Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-22 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

Reading the documentation again (i.e. columnsets.pdf), I see that the module 
\definecolumnset[example][n=2] allow how to define how many pages we want a set 
of columns, each of one being define with its own number of lines and so on. 
Therefore, the behaviour of the first page will be different of the second, 
etc. Further, one have to imagine a first recto (odd) page blank, followed by 
an even page (even, left page) with a double columns (greek-latin text) and the 
next third page (odd one) with commentaries. Then, one have to define the 
layout, because the number of lines of the greek-latin text on left page has to 
fit with the commentaries on the right page (and because it is not the same 
layout). Moreover, one can imagine for the moment a printed odd page (on left 
page) and a blank one (on the right page).
Maybe it is this behaviour (when a page is filled)- and necessary there is 
another behaviour to deal with when context parse for the even page - about 
which we have to scrutinize.

The purpose of columnset module is to set how many column for a single page and 
how to fit this columns to a number of defined pages (with titles and 
pictures). Its goal is not to make separate columns on the same page. At least 
as far as I can understand the process.
JP

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De: "Jean-Pierre Delange" <adeiman...@free.fr>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Samedi 21 Mai 2016 12:16:44
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

Hi Pablo,

I'm trying to find a path through the 2 columns set greek-latin with 'criticus 
apparatus'.

1. If you put a bigger text for avoid the \dorecurse command, with 
\definecolumnset[example][n=2, balance=yes] in the preamble, then the following 
coding (note: \startcolumnset and \stopcolumnset commands), all is well as ends 
well IF ONLY the text's length is less than a page. If the text length is 
larger than one page, there is a mismatch as a result, where the latin text 
goes is overprinted on the French text and the footnotes are overprinted by the 
Greek text.

2. Moreover, if you comment the \dorecurse command, with a short Greek and 
Latin text (only a paragraph each), all the notes are well printed, the same 
for the numbering line, but the French text is overprinted by the right column 
Latin ! (Points 1., and 2. without  ConteXt complaining or any error in the log 
file.

3. Now, return to the \dorecurse command, as follow : 
\dorecurse{8}{
\startcolumnset[example]{
\Stephanus{1a} [1a] Ὁμώνυμα [...greek text...]
etc.
The result is the same as point 2.
I conclude there is a problem with the columnset command...

4. Now, I wonder if there is not a problem with brackets around the Greek-Latin 
text...
Jp

\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

% \dorecurse{8}{
\startcolumnset[example]{
\Stephanus{1a} [1a] Ὁμώνυμα [...greek text...]
\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum nomen 
commune est [...Latin text...]
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumnset}
\stoptext

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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Mai 2016 23:02:34
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/20/2016 09:51 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> Thanks to have correct my mistake. It works !
> If you take this sample and place the number 8 in \dorecurse{4} in
> place of 4, you'll see something which is better than our first
> attempts. Now, it's only the last paragraph of the first page, which is
> messed up. After a somehow puzzled or erratic Wille zu Macht in the
> location of this last paragraph, ConTeXt locates very fine the last ones
> and does what it has to do ! But it's better to say that my code is weak ...

Hi Jean-Pierre,

there is something weird with columns and the last paragraph.

Even using exactly the same text for both left and right columns (as
shown in https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085544.html),
the paragraph on the left fits on the first page, but the paragraph on
the right doesn’t.

Well, if that isn’t a bug, I’d like to know what I’m missing there.

Pablo
-- 
http://www.ousia.tk

Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

I'm trying to find a path through the 2 columns set greek-latin with 'criticus 
apparatus'.

1. If you put a bigger text for avoid the \dorecurse command, with 
\definecolumnset[example][n=2, balance=yes] in the preamble, then the following 
coding (note: \startcolumnset and \stopcolumnset commands), all is well as ends 
well IF ONLY the text's length is less than a page. If the text length is 
larger than one page, there is a mismatch as a result, where the latin text 
goes is overprinted on the French text and the footnotes are overprinted by the 
Greek text.

2. Moreover, if you comment the \dorecurse command, with a short Greek and 
Latin text (only a paragraph each), all the notes are well printed, the same 
for the numbering line, but the French text is overprinted by the right column 
Latin ! (Points 1., and 2. without  ConteXt complaining or any error in the log 
file.

3. Now, return to the \dorecurse command, as follow : 
\dorecurse{8}{
\startcolumnset[example]{
\Stephanus{1a} [1a] Ὁμώνυμα [...greek text...]
etc.
The result is the same as point 2.
I conclude there is a problem with the columnset command...

4. Now, I wonder if there is not a problem with brackets around the Greek-Latin 
text...
Jp

\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

% \dorecurse{8}{
\startcolumnset[example]{
\Stephanus{1a} [1a] Ὁμώνυμα [...greek text...]
\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum nomen 
commune est [...Latin text...]
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumnset}
\stoptext

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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
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Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Mai 2016 23:02:34
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/20/2016 09:51 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> Thanks to have correct my mistake. It works !
> If you take this sample and place the number 8 in \dorecurse{4} in
> place of 4, you'll see something which is better than our first
> attempts. Now, it's only the last paragraph of the first page, which is
> messed up. After a somehow puzzled or erratic Wille zu Macht in the
> location of this last paragraph, ConTeXt locates very fine the last ones
> and does what it has to do ! But it's better to say that my code is weak ...

Hi Jean-Pierre,

there is something weird with columns and the last paragraph.

Even using exactly the same text for both left and right columns (as
shown in https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085544.html),
the paragraph on the left fits on the first page, but the paragraph on
the right doesn’t.

Well, if that isn’t a bug, I’d like to know what I’m missing there.

Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-20 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/20/2016 09:51 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> Thanks to have correct my mistake. It works !
> If you take this sample and place the number 8 in \dorecurse{4} in
> place of 4, you'll see something which is better than our first
> attempts. Now, it's only the last paragraph of the first page, which is
> messed up. After a somehow puzzled or erratic Wille zu Macht in the
> location of this last paragraph, ConTeXt locates very fine the last ones
> and does what it has to do ! But it's better to say that my code is weak ...

Hi Jean-Pierre,

there is something weird with columns and the last paragraph.

Even using exactly the same text for both left and right columns (as
shown in https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085544.html),
the paragraph on the left fits on the first page, but the paragraph on
the right doesn’t.

Well, if that isn’t a bug, I’d like to know what I’m missing there.


Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

Thanks to have correct my mistake. It works !
If you take this sample and place the number 8 in \dorecurse{4} in place of 4, 
you'll see something which is better than our first attempts. Now, it's only 
the last paragraph of the first page, which is messed up. After a somehow 
puzzled or erratic Wille zu Macht in the location of this last paragraph, 
ConTeXt locates very fine the last ones and does what it has to do ! But it's 
better to say that my code is weak ...
JP

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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Mai 2016 20:26:32
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/20/2016 01:37 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> [...]
> > Allright ! Then, I have listening this advice and there is the new
> code (on the basis of Pablo's work); I've only added declarations lines
> as \usemodule[newcolumnsets], and \definecolumnset[example][n=2,
> balance=yes]. The result is almost satisfying, because 'criticus
> apparatus' is well printed in footnotes, the numbering lines okay and
> the first 2 texts (greek and latin paragraphs) quite well printed in two
> face to face columns. BUT, I don't understand why after a good print,
> all is messed up. Is it because the closing bracket after \dorecurse{4}{
> is only here : \stopcolumns} ?

Hi Jean-Pierre,

see the explanation below.

> \startcolumns[example]
> \dorecurse{4}{
> 
> \Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
> μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
> [...]
> \stopcolumns}

You start the columns outside the loop and after you stop the columns
for the first time, they aren’t started again with each loop.

Your code should read:

> \dorecurse{4}{
> \startcolumns[example]
> 
> \Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
> μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
> [...]
> \stopcolumns}

I hope it helps,

Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-20 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/20/2016 01:37 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> [...]
> > Allright ! Then, I have listening this advice and there is the new
> code (on the basis of Pablo's work); I've only added declarations lines
> as \usemodule[newcolumnsets], and \definecolumnset[example][n=2,
> balance=yes]. The result is almost satisfying, because 'criticus
> apparatus' is well printed in footnotes, the numbering lines okay and
> the first 2 texts (greek and latin paragraphs) quite well printed in two
> face to face columns. BUT, I don't understand why after a good print,
> all is messed up. Is it because the closing bracket after \dorecurse{4}{
> is only here : \stopcolumns} ?

Hi Jean-Pierre,

see the explanation below.

> \startcolumns[example]
> \dorecurse{4}{
> 
> \Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
> μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
> [...]
> \stopcolumns}

You start the columns outside the loop and after you stop the columns
for the first time, they aren’t started again with each loop.

Your code should read:

> \dorecurse{4}{
> \startcolumns[example]
> 
> \Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
> μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
> [...]
> \stopcolumns}

I hope it helps,


Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo and greek-latin readers (and printers),

I've given a look further into the documentation about the modules 
'newcolumnset', in order to understand this issue, where ConTeXt put the latin 
paragraph in the continuity of greek paragraph, when one tries to get 2 
paragraphs in 2 face to face columns in 2 different languages (with the goal to 
print a 'criticus apparatus' in a few different level of footnotes).

Wolfgang Schuster stimulated me about the new documentation ! Then, I have 
found, in the doc produced by : context --extra=setups --overview 
i-columns.xml, this intersting information (cf. last line) :
quotation : "This manual introduces column sets, one of the output routines of 
ConTEXt. Although
column sets are mainly meant for typesetting journals in a semi--automated way, 
you
can also use them for books. We assume that the user is familiar with ConTEXt 
and
only discuss the commands that are related to column sets.
This mechanism performs okay but it needs to be used with care: an occasional 
manual
intervention is needed to get optimal results. After all, we’re operating in 
the area
where normally click and point desktop publishing is used.
For the moment you need to load the new code with: \usemodule[newcolumnsets]".

Allright ! Then, I have listening this advice and there is the new code (on the 
basis of Pablo's work); I've only added declarations lines as  
\usemodule[newcolumnsets], and \definecolumnset[example][n=2, balance=yes]. The 
result is almost satisfying, because 'criticus apparatus' is well printed in 
footnotes, the numbering lines okay and the first 2 texts (greek and latin 
paragraphs) quite well printed in two face to face columns. BUT, I don't 
understand why after a good print, all is messed up. Is it because the closing 
bracket after \dorecurse{4}{ is only here : \stopcolumns} ?
I want to test this file without the dorecurse command, with a long 
aristotelian text and its latin translation within more than a recto/verso set 
(or both pages and an only /odd/even set). But I want to know, before doing 
such a test, why this configuration with a sample doesn't work.
As attached file see the PDF of the *.tex source below.
Thanks to all !
JP

\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, la}]
\mainlanguage[agr] % Greek as main language
 \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot] [preset=range:greek]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm]
\usemodule[newcolumnsets]
\setupnotes[compress=yes]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5, location=inright, distance=1ex,
 align=center, width=0.5em]
\definemargindata[Stephanus][location=inner, distance=2ex,
 style=\em]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 7.8pt]
\definecolumnset[example][n=2, balance=yes]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop
\startcolumns[example]
\dorecurse{4}{

\Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον
ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον·
τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ
κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας
ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ
εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa;
si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia,
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumns}
\stoptext

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Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/16/2016 06:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> \dorecurse only avoids copying the same text again and again.
> 
> I dont know how to manage Hans proposal : I've tried to deal wi

Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-17 Thread luigi scarso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Arthur Reutenauer <
arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org> wrote:

> > liturgical latin  uses œ́ from 1894 (Missale romanum:
> > en decreto sacrosancti Concilii Tridentini
> > restitutum.
> > https://archive.org/details/missaleromanume01churgoog)
> > It seems the first time it appears.
>
>   Yes, that's one of the conventions they have for liturgical Latin.
>

do you know others ?

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 06:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> \dorecurse only avoids copying the same text again and again.
> 
> I dont know how to manage Hans proposal : I've tried to deal with it
> and the visible effect is to place footnotes in the column on the right.
> Maye I'll have to test with a longer text without the \dorecurse
> command ...

\setupmixedcolumns seems to misplace the notes. At least on my sample.


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer

> liturgical latin  uses œ́ from 1894 (Missale romanum:
> en decreto sacrosancti Concilii Tridentini
> restitutum.
> https://archive.org/details/missaleromanume01churgoog)
> It seems the first time it appears.

  Yes, that's one of the conventions they have for liturgical Latin.

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread luigi scarso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Arthur Reutenauer <
arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 06:06:49PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> > On 05/16/2016 03:14 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > > > But does ConTeXt have \la different from \ala because of the Holy
> See?
> > >
> > > See my reply to your earlier email.
> >
> > I agree with you that classical or ancient vs. modern are misleading
> > adjectives when referred to Latin.
> >
> > In my opinion, etymological or phonetic vs. syllabic should be preferred.
>
>   There are two layers, actually (at least in LaTeX; not sure how much
> of this is reproduced in ConTeXt): 1. Spelling conventions, 2. Hyphenation.
> For the latter, a classification by historical periods clearly makes no
> sense, but there is some truth to the fact that an orthography with no
> u/v or i/j distinction is closer to the way Latin was written in
> classical times (if only very slightly); while using both u and v, and
> especially i and j, in contrastive distributions, clearly are modern
> conventions -- it would be nice to have a vocabulary for that that
> doesn't rely on periods of the evolution of Latin, since those cover
> much more than simple differences in spelling.  The LaTeX packages
> (Babel and Polyglossia) currently have four options, actually:
> classical, medieval, modern, and liturgical, such that "classical" will
> for example yield "Nouembris" (and all the other ones "Novembris");
> "medieval" uses æ and œ and will thus have "Præfatio", etc.
>
> Best,
>
> Arthur
>
>
liturgical latin  uses œ́ from 1894 (Missale romanum:
en decreto sacrosancti Concilii Tridentini
restitutum.
https://archive.org/details/missaleromanume01churgoog)
It seems the first time it appears.




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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

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Envoyé: Lundi 16 Mai 2016 18:00:41
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/16/2016 05:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> Return back to windows 10 environment ...
> 1. The commands 'mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=*didot*
> --all' works fine ... So, the question is : If GFS Didot is installed on the
> system, why ConTeXt complains about it during the parsing process ?

>>I have no idea. I don’t read logs most of the times.

>> To quote Shakespeare: “all’s well, that ends well”.


> 2. I was not very convinced by the \doreverse command involving in 
> the 2 columns balance issue, but I don't understand why the last
> paragraph at the end of the page is removed from right to left on
> every page (try to give the 50 number to the \dorecurse command and
> you xill see the same issue on each page).

>>\doreverse? I guess it is \dorecurse.

yes, I've made a misespelling. I's \dorecurse

>> What happens with the column balance can be explained by Hans.
>>
>> It seems to be related to the linenotes on the right.
>>
>> I addressed the issue in a separate thread
>> (https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085544.html), but
>> Hans may be busy with other things.
>>
>> \dorecurse only avoids copying the same text again and again.

I dont know how to manage Hans proposal : I've tried to deal with it and the 
visible effect is to place footnotes in the column on the right.
Maye I'll have to test with a longer text without the \dorecurse command ...

JP

>>Just in case it helps,


>>Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 06:06:49PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 05/16/2016 03:14 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > > But does ConTeXt have \la different from \ala because of the Holy See?
> > 
> > See my reply to your earlier email.
> 
> I agree with you that classical or ancient vs. modern are misleading
> adjectives when referred to Latin.
> 
> In my opinion, etymological or phonetic vs. syllabic should be preferred.

  There are two layers, actually (at least in LaTeX; not sure how much
of this is reproduced in ConTeXt): 1. Spelling conventions, 2. Hyphenation.
For the latter, a classification by historical periods clearly makes no
sense, but there is some truth to the fact that an orthography with no
u/v or i/j distinction is closer to the way Latin was written in
classical times (if only very slightly); while using both u and v, and
especially i and j, in contrastive distributions, clearly are modern
conventions -- it would be nice to have a vocabulary for that that
doesn't rely on periods of the evolution of Latin, since those cover
much more than simple differences in spelling.  The LaTeX packages
(Babel and Polyglossia) currently have four options, actually:
classical, medieval, modern, and liturgical, such that "classical" will
for example yield "Nouembris" (and all the other ones "Novembris");
"medieval" uses æ and œ and will thus have "Præfatio", etc.

Best,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread luigi scarso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:

> On 05/16/2016 03:14 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > > But does ConTeXt have \la different from \ala because of the Holy See?
> >
> > See my reply to your earlier email.
>
> I agree with you that classical or ancient vs. modern are misleading
> adjectives when referred to Latin.
>
>
no so strange

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin#History_of_Latin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_Latin


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 03:14 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> > But does ConTeXt have \la different from \ala because of the Holy See?
> 
> See my reply to your earlier email.

I agree with you that classical or ancient vs. modern are misleading
adjectives when referred to Latin.

In my opinion, etymological or phonetic vs. syllabic should be preferred.


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 05:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> Return back to windows 10 environment ...
> 1. The commands 'mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=*didot*
> --all' works fine ... So, the question is : If GFS Didot is installed on the
> system, why ConTeXt complains about it during the parsing process ?

I have no idea. I don’t read logs most of the times.

To quote Shakespeare: “all’s well, that ends well”.

> 2. I was not very convinced by the \doreverse command involving in 
> the 2 columns balance issue, but I don't understand why the last
> paragraph at the end of the page is removed from right to left on
> every page (try to give the 50 number to the \dorecurse command and
> you xill see the same issue on each page).

\doreverse? I guess it is \dorecurse.

What happens with the column balance can be explained by Hans.

It seems to be related to the linenotes on the right.

I addressed the issue in a separate thread
(https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085544.html), but
Hans may be busy with other things.

\dorecurse only avoids copying the same text again and again.

Just in case it helps,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

Your code is working perfectly well on Windows 10 with GFS Didot, if the 
\dorecurse command fullfill only one page. Indeed, there is an issue with 
paragraphs in balanced columns.
But I am glad to have a sample for my documentation, which shows the way.
I'll try to get through the issue with what Hans has given before in one of his 
messages.
Thank you very warmly for your help.
JP

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Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/16/2016 01:12 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> 2. I've tried to install GFS Didot on Windows, but I did'nt find
> TTF... And when I copy files in c:/windows/fonts, ce system complains.
> How do you do that ? 

http://greekfontsociety.gr/_assets/fonts/GFS_Didot.zip contains both TTF
and OTF files.

How about showing file extensions to select the files you want?
(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/show-file-extensions-in-windows)

> 5. Note that here, the \dorecurse{50} command seems to produce an
> unexpected effect : the latin text takes place of the greek one with its
> lines numbers (I really don't know if the \dorecurse commande is 

I don’t think this is caused by \dorecurse.

But column balance seems to be a tricky issue.

> (Something out of the topic : under Linux, when I load GFS Didot,
> after reloading fonts (with mtxrun --script fonts --reload), I don't see
> the GFS fonts, with the command mtxrun --script fonts --list
> --pattern=didot* --all. Strange, isn't it ?)

How about the following? (Your command works fine for me)

mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=*didot* --all

Just in case it helps,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer

> I understand that the world of Latin studies regarding printing Latin becomes 
> more and more a sum of parochial conflicts, which lay on specialization 
> (because, as you know, there are some differences between Republican Latin, 
> Imperial Latin, Latin written by Sidonius Apollinaris, by Petrus Abelardi, 
> Renatus Cartesianus et alii. Have you heard about the same pichrocholine wars 
> around Greek ? 

  There is no conflict, simply different options for typesetting Latin
(in LaTeX) that are not necessarily very well described.  The
development of all the different variants is carried out by the same
group of people, or rather one single, very dedicated person.  There is
no similar situation for Greek that I'm aware of.

Best,

Arthur
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

I understand that the world of Latin studies regarding printing Latin becomes 
more and more a sum of parochial conflicts, which lay on specialization 
(because, as you know, there are some differences between Republican Latin, 
Imperial Latin, Latin written by Sidonius Apollinaris, by Petrus Abelardi, 
Renatus Cartesianus et alii. Have you heard about the same pichrocholine wars 
around Greek ? 


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Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

> But aren’t \la and \ala synonyms?

  They are two variants of Latin with completely different sets of
hyphenation patterns: the original one, activated by \la, is about
twenty years old, targets a "modern" spelling of Latin (characterised
principally by a u/v and i/j distinction), and implements breaks that
are mostly consistent with phonetics; the latter is much more recent
(2-3 years old), has been devised for a "classical" spelling (u = v, i = j),
and makes etymological breaks.

  Both sets of patterns have been written by the same person, who calls
them "modern" and "classical" Latin.  I've already argued that these are
bad names because it would be better to refer to the type of hyphenation
they implement (phonetic or etymological), which he reluctantly agreed
to; in addition I think that even calling the language variants modern
and classical is a bit of a joke when in actuality they only differ by a
few orthographical features: by that token, thousands of works by
classical Latin authors in print nowadays should be called "modern"
because they make the u/v distinction (if not i/j).  But the discussion
didn't lead anywhere, and now that same person has developed a third set
of patterns for "liturgical" Latin that uses yet other orthographical
conventions and type of hyphenation, which makes me doubtful we'll be
able to have a clear description of all the different options any time
soon (but we're working on it).

  I should add that all these options have originated as LaTeX packages
in response to demand by actual users (the most recent one for a number
of monasteries that want to typeset scores for Gregorian chant), which
is certainly good, but considering how complex the situation is becoming
I'm now a bit desperate that we'll ever sort out the naming mess (I'm
responsible with Mojca for the hyphenation patterns in TeX
distributions, and we need some consistency when tagging languages).

Best,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

Return back to windows 10 environment ...
1. The commands 'mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=*didot* --all' works 
fine ... So, the question is : If GFS Didot is installed on the system, why 
ConTeXt complains about it during the parsing process ?
2. I was not very convinced by the \doreverse command involving in the 2 
columns balance issue, but I don't understand why the last paragraph at the end 
of the page is removed from right to left on every page (try to give the 50 
number to the \dorecurse command and you xill see the same issue on each page).
JP

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Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/16/2016 01:12 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> 2. I've tried to install GFS Didot on Windows, but I did'nt find
> TTF... And when I copy files in c:/windows/fonts, ce system complains.
> How do you do that ? 

http://greekfontsociety.gr/_assets/fonts/GFS_Didot.zip contains both TTF
and OTF files.

How about showing file extensions to select the files you want?
(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/show-file-extensions-in-windows)

> 5. Note that here, the \dorecurse{50} command seems to produce an
> unexpected effect : the latin text takes place of the greek one with its
> lines numbers (I really don't know if the \dorecurse commande is 

I don’t think this is caused by \dorecurse.

But column balance seems to be a tricky issue.

> (Something out of the topic : under Linux, when I load GFS Didot,
> after reloading fonts (with mtxrun --script fonts --reload), I don't see
> the GFS fonts, with the command mtxrun --script fonts --list
> --pattern=didot* --all. Strange, isn't it ?)

How about the following? (Your command works fine for me)

mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=*didot* --all

Just in case it helps,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5/16/2016 3:13 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:


to; in addition I think that even calling the language variants modern
and classical is a bit of a joke when in actuality they only differ by a


indeed .. try to explain that to kids, what is modern to day is 
classical (or ancient) tomorrow


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer

> But does ConTeXt have \la different from \ala because of the Holy See?

  See my reply to your earlier email.

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer

> But aren’t \la and \ala synonyms?

  They are two variants of Latin with completely different sets of
hyphenation patterns: the original one, activated by \la, is about
twenty years old, targets a "modern" spelling of Latin (characterised
principally by a u/v and i/j distinction), and implements breaks that
are mostly consistent with phonetics; the latter is much more recent
(2-3 years old), has been devised for a "classical" spelling (u = v, i = j),
and makes etymological breaks.

  Both sets of patterns have been written by the same person, who calls
them "modern" and "classical" Latin.  I've already argued that these are
bad names because it would be better to refer to the type of hyphenation
they implement (phonetic or etymological), which he reluctantly agreed
to; in addition I think that even calling the language variants modern
and classical is a bit of a joke when in actuality they only differ by a
few orthographical features: by that token, thousands of works by
classical Latin authors in print nowadays should be called "modern"
because they make the u/v distinction (if not i/j).  But the discussion
didn't lead anywhere, and now that same person has developed a third set
of patterns for "liturgical" Latin that uses yet other orthographical
conventions and type of hyphenation, which makes me doubtful we'll be
able to have a clear description of all the different options any time
soon (but we're working on it).

  I should add that all these options have originated as LaTeX packages
in response to demand by actual users (the most recent one for a number
of monasteries that want to typeset scores for Gregorian chant), which
is certainly good, but considering how complex the situation is becoming
I'm now a bit desperate that we'll ever sort out the naming mess (I'm
responsible with Mojca for the hyphenation patterns in TeX
distributions, and we need some consistency when tagging languages).

Best,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 01:12 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> 2. I've tried to install GFS Didot on Windows, but I did'nt find
> TTF... And when I copy files in c:/windows/fonts, ce system complains.
> How do you do that ? 

http://greekfontsociety.gr/_assets/fonts/GFS_Didot.zip contains both TTF
and OTF files.

How about showing file extensions to select the files you want?
(http://www.thewindowsclub.com/show-file-extensions-in-windows)

> 5. Note that here, the \dorecurse{50} command seems to produce an
> unexpected effect : the latin text takes place of the greek one with its
> lines numbers (I really don't know if the \dorecurse commande is 

I don’t think this is caused by \dorecurse.

But column balance seems to be a tricky issue.

> (Something out of the topic : under Linux, when I load GFS Didot,
> after reloading fonts (with mtxrun --script fonts --reload), I don't see
> the GFS fonts, with the command mtxrun --script fonts --list
> --pattern=didot* --all. Strange, isn't it ?)

How about the following? (Your command works fine for me)

mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=*didot* --all

Just in case it helps,


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 12:21 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> [...] 
> > But aren’t \la and \ala synonyms?
> 
> hm no

I asked that after reading the following in lang-def.mkiv:

\installlanguage % ancient latin
  [\s!ala]
  [\c!default=\s!la]

This is why I thought that both were synonyms.

> > Besides that, Latin has always been an ancient language, hasn’t it?
> 
> yes but still used
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_latina
> see the 
> ATM with Contemporary Latin (I dont know if Contemporary is the correct
> term).
> It's the official language of the  Holy See (the official language of
> Vatican is italian & latin)

But does ConTeXt have \la different from \ala because of the Holy See?


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

1. Here is my current version on Linux : ConTeXt  ver: 2016.05.15 20:46 MKIV 
beta  fmt: 2016.5.16 (and the same on Windows).
2. I've tried to install GFS Didot on Windows, but I did'nt find TTF... And 
when I copy files in c:/windows/fonts, ce system complains. How do you do that 
? 
3. We use both the same source file.
4. I was dummy : I was not aware of the mean of \definelinenote !
5. Note that here, the \dorecurse{50} command seems to produce an unexpected 
effect : the latin text takes place of the greek one with its lines numbers (I 
really don't know if the \dorecurse commande is 

(Something out of the topic : under Linux, when I load GFS Didot, after 
reloading fonts (with mtxrun --script fonts --reload), I don't see the GFS 
fonts, with the command mtxrun --script fonts --list --pattern=didot* --all. 
Strange, isn't it ?)

As attached files, the TeX source, the log file and the PDF print.

Many thanks for your help !
JP

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On 05/16/2016 10:58 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> I have first running your code here below and it is working fine,
> generally speaking. But there are some problems I need to clarify:

Hi Jean-Pierre,

I assume you are running the same version as the one included in
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085521.html (only
recursion may be set to a higher number), aren’t you?

I include at the end of the message to be sure we share the same sources.

> a. Beside the fact that I am running today on Windows and there is
> not GFS Didot typeface on the sytem (therefore I use TeX Gyre), there
> is a lack of Greek diacritic signs in the Greek print.

Isn’t it possible that you install GFS Didot on that Windows system?

> b. I don't see the footnotes references (but only the footnotes).

I’m not sure I get your point.

These are linenotes, not footnotes. References are to the line number,
not to a footnote number.

Is that what you meant?

> c. the log file gives something weird about {\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

It seems to have problems to balance the columns. But the file below
doesn’t gave me that message.

I hope it helps,

Pablo

\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, la}]
\mainlanguage[agr] % Greek as main language
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot]
 [preset=range:greek]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm]
\setupnotes[compress=yes]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5, location=inright, distance=1ex,
 align=center, width=0.5em]
\definemargindata[Stephanus][location=inner, distance=2ex,
 style=\em]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

\dorecurse{50}{\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

\Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον
ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον·
τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ
κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας
ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ
εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa;
si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia,
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumns}
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread luigi scarso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:

> On 05/16/2016 11:52 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> >
> > Hi Luigi,
> >
> > How can I manage 'ala' or 'agr' through mtxrun ?
> > Thanks,
> > JP
> >
> > Not sure to understand your question...what do you mean with "manage" ?
> > Afaik \mainlanguage[ala] should already work .
>
> But aren’t \la and \ala synonyms?
>
> hm no



> Besides that, Latin has always been an ancient language, hasn’t it?
>
> yes but still used
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_latina
see the
ATM with Contemporary Latin (I dont know if Contemporary is the correct
term).
It's the official language of the  Holy See (the official language of
Vatican is italian & latin)


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 11:52 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> 
> Hi Luigi,
> 
> How can I manage 'ala' or 'agr' through mtxrun ?
> Thanks,
> JP
> 
> Not sure to understand your question...what do you mean with "manage" ?
> Afaik \mainlanguage[ala] should already work .

But aren’t \la and \ala synonyms?

Besides that, Latin has always been an ancient language, hasn’t it?

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5/16/2016 11:42 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:


It seems to have problems to balance the columns. But the file below
doesn’t gave me that message.


maybe test with

\definemixedcolumns
  [columns]
  [balance=yes,
   blank={line,fixed}]

\unexpanded\def\setupcolumns
  {\setupmixedcolumns[columns]}


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread luigi scarso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange 
wrote:

> Hi Luigi,
>
> How can I manage 'ala' or 'agr' through mtxrun ?
> Thanks,
> JP


Not sure to understand your question...what do you mean with "manage" ?
Afaik \mainlanguage[ala] should already work .
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Luigi,

How can I manage 'ala' or 'agr' through mtxrun ?
Thanks,
JP

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On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange < adeiman...@free.fr > 
wrote: 


Hi Pablo, 

1. My code is a raw one, with some old pieces; I know simplefonts module is in 
the core since 2013, but it's a kind of pavlovian attitude... 
2. Many thanks for 'agr' which I'm looking for through CTX doc and never found. 
3. I understand why I have to load either 'agr' ith 'la' pattern. 




You may also consider ala 
lang-ala.rme: 



% generated by mtxrun --script pattern --convert 


% 
% ** hyph-la-x-classic.tex * 
% 
% Copyright 2014 Claudio Beccari 
% [classical latin hyphenation patterns] 
% 
% - 
% IMPORTANT NOTICE: 
% 
% This program can be redistributed and/or modified under the terms 
% of the LaTeX Project Public License Distributed from CTAN 
% archives in directory macros/latex/base/lppl.txt; either 
% version 1 of the License, or any later version. 
% - 
% 
% Patterns for the classical Latin language; classical spelling 
% with the (uncial) lowercase `v' written as a `u' is supported. 
% Classical Latin hyphenation patterns are different from those of 
% "plain" Latin, the latter being more adapted to modern Latin. 
% 
% 
% Prepared by Claudio Beccari 
% e-mail claudio dot beccari at gmail dot com 
% 
% Aknowledgements: This file has been substantially upgraded with 
% the contributions of Francisco Gracia. 
% 
% \versionnumber{1.2} \versiondate{2014/10/06} 
% 
%% 
% 
% \message{Classical Latin hyphenation patterns `hyph-la-x-classic' 
% Version 1.2 <2014/10/06>} 
% 
% 





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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/16/2016 10:58 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> I have first running your code here below and it is working fine,
> generally speaking. But there are some problems I need to clarify:

Hi Jean-Pierre,

I assume you are running the same version as the one included in
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/085521.html (only
recursion may be set to a higher number), aren’t you?

I include at the end of the message to be sure we share the same sources.

> a. Beside the fact that I am running today on Windows and there is
> not GFS Didot typeface on the sytem (therefore I use TeX Gyre), there
> is a lack of Greek diacritic signs in the Greek print.

Isn’t it possible that you install GFS Didot on that Windows system?

> b. I don't see the footnotes references (but only the footnotes).

I’m not sure I get your point.

These are linenotes, not footnotes. References are to the line number,
not to a footnote number.

Is that what you meant?

> c. the log file gives something weird about {\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

It seems to have problems to balance the columns. But the file below
doesn’t gave me that message.

I hope it helps,

Pablo

\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, la}]
\mainlanguage[agr] % Greek as main language
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot]
 [preset=range:greek]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm]
\setupnotes[compress=yes]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5, location=inright, distance=1ex,
 align=center, width=0.5em]
\definemargindata[Stephanus][location=inner, distance=2ex,
 style=\em]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

\dorecurse{50}{\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

\Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον
ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον·
τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ
κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας
ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ
εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa;
si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia,
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumns}
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

'dummy--0'
columns > balancing aborted after 100 steps
columns > balancing aborted after 100 steps
columns > balancing aborted after 100 steps
columns > balancing aborted after 100 steps
backend > xmp > using file 
'C:/Users/Adeimantos/Documents/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv/lpdf-pdx.xml'
pages   > flushing realpage 1, userpage 1
close source> 2 > 3 > 

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Envoyé: Dimanche 15 Mai 2016 20:36:47
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/15/2016 06:46 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo and other ConTeXt wizards !
> 
> I've tried to find a solution to my previous question. Thanks to
> Pablo Rodriguez, the script is working very well. But when I try to
> take his solution with a 2 columns scheme (a Greek tex on left and a
> Latin one on right), the footnotes are not printed. I did something
> which is not thebest : to gather some declarations and see if they work !
> Then, the script below is more or less working (it does work : no
> error in the log !), but because it doesn't print footnotes, I
> wonder that it succeeds to print the 2 columns (greek and latin) ! To
> summarize what it doesn't work here :
> 1) lines numbering
> 2) footnotes

Hi Jean-Pierre,

some remarks about your code:

1. The simplefonts module isn’t needed anymore. The code has been added
to the ConTeXt core.

2. The language code for ancient Greek is agr.

3. In this particular case, you may load the Latin patterns with the
Greek language.

4. You define a mainface using the Palatino typeface, but then you load
palatino. It only works when you load the mainface.

5. It is better when you use typefaces distributed with ConTeXt.

Well, my code doesn’t work well. Line numbers and notes are only allowed
on one column.

I know Hans will hate me ;-), but the fun comes when the recursion
exceeds the first page.

BTW, I guess this approach (as flawed as it is) should work, but I
should be missing something with columns.

It is beyond my understanding why the last Greek paragraph fits on the
first page and the lat Latin paragraph doesn’t fit.

Here is the code:

\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, la}]
\mainlanguage[agr] % Greek as main language
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot]
 [preset=range:greek]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm]
\setupnotes[compress=yes]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5, location=inright, distance=1ex,
 align=center, width=0.5em]
\definemargindata[Stephanus][location=inner, distance=2ex,
 style=\em]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

\dorecurse{5}{\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

\Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον
ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον·
τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ
κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας
ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ
εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa;
si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia,
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumns}
\stoptext

Just in case it might help,

Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Luigi,
Thanks for the mtxrun command.
JP


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De: "luigi scarso" <luigi.sca...@gmail.com>
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Envoyé: Lundi 16 Mai 2016 09:36:24
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?







On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange < adeiman...@free.fr > 
wrote: 


Hi Pablo, 

1. My code is a raw one, with some old pieces; I know simplefonts module is in 
the core since 2013, but it's a kind of pavlovian attitude... 
2. Many thanks for 'agr' which I'm looking for through CTX doc and never found. 
3. I understand why I have to load either 'agr' ith 'la' pattern. 




You may also consider ala 
lang-ala.rme: 



% generated by mtxrun --script pattern --convert 


% 
% ** hyph-la-x-classic.tex * 
% 
% Copyright 2014 Claudio Beccari 
% [classical latin hyphenation patterns] 
% 
% - 
% IMPORTANT NOTICE: 
% 
% This program can be redistributed and/or modified under the terms 
% of the LaTeX Project Public License Distributed from CTAN 
% archives in directory macros/latex/base/lppl.txt; either 
% version 1 of the License, or any later version. 
% - 
% 
% Patterns for the classical Latin language; classical spelling 
% with the (uncial) lowercase `v' written as a `u' is supported. 
% Classical Latin hyphenation patterns are different from those of 
% "plain" Latin, the latter being more adapted to modern Latin. 
% 
% 
% Prepared by Claudio Beccari 
% e-mail claudio dot beccari at gmail dot com 
% 
% Aknowledgements: This file has been substantially upgraded with 
% the contributions of Francisco Gracia. 
% 
% \versionnumber{1.2} \versiondate{2014/10/06} 
% 
%% 
% 
% \message{Classical Latin hyphenation patterns `hyph-la-x-classic' 
% Version 1.2 <2014/10/06>} 
% 
% 





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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread luigi scarso

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange 
wrote:

> Hi Pablo,
>
> 1. My code is a raw one, with some old pieces; I know simplefonts module
> is in the core since 2013, but it's a kind of pavlovian attitude...
> 2. Many thanks for 'agr' which I'm looking for through CTX doc and never
> found.
> 3. I understand why I have to load either 'agr' ith 'la' pattern.
>

You may also consider ala
lang-ala.rme:

% generated by mtxrun --script pattern --convert

%
%  ** hyph-la-x-classic.tex *
%
% Copyright 2014 Claudio Beccari
%[classical latin hyphenation patterns]
%
% -
% IMPORTANT NOTICE:
%
% This program can be redistributed and/or modified under the terms
% of the LaTeX Project Public License Distributed from CTAN
% archives in directory macros/latex/base/lppl.txt; either
% version 1 of the License, or any later version.
% -
%
% Patterns for the classical Latin language; classical spelling
% with the (uncial) lowercase `v' written as a `u' is supported.
% Classical Latin hyphenation patterns are different from those of
% "plain" Latin, the latter being more adapted to modern Latin.
%
%
% Prepared by  Claudio Beccari
%  e-mail claudio dot beccari at gmail dot com
%
% Aknowledgements: This file has been substantially upgraded with
% the contributions of Francisco Gracia.
%
% \versionnumber{1.2}   \versiondate{2014/10/06}
%
%%
%
% \message{Classical Latin hyphenation patterns `hyph-la-x-classic'
% Version 1.2 <2014/10/06>}
%
%

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo,

1. My code is a raw one, with some old pieces; I know simplefonts module is in 
the core since 2013, but it's a kind of pavlovian attitude...
2. Many thanks for 'agr' which I'm looking for through CTX doc and never found.
3. I understand why I have to load either 'agr' ith 'la' pattern.
4. I've to improve my understanding of \setmainfont, \definefontfamily and 
\definefallbackfamily and their declaration order. In this particulary case, 
why don't use something like this declaration : \setmainfontfallback[DejaVu 
Serif][range={greekandcoptic, greekextended},force=yes, rscale=auto] ?
5. Is it possible to find information about CTXt fonts apart of the system ones 
with a mtxrun command ?

Thank you for your code, which I am studying and testing right now.
JP

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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Dimanche 15 Mai 2016 20:36:47
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/15/2016 06:46 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo and other ConTeXt wizards !
> 
> I've tried to find a solution to my previous question. Thanks to
> Pablo Rodriguez, the script is working very well. But when I try to
> take his solution with a 2 columns scheme (a Greek tex on left and a
> Latin one on right), the footnotes are not printed. I did something
> which is not thebest : to gather some declarations and see if they work !
> Then, the script below is more or less working (it does work : no
> error in the log !), but because it doesn't print footnotes, I
> wonder that it succeeds to print the 2 columns (greek and latin) ! To
> summarize what it doesn't work here :
> 1) lines numbering
> 2) footnotes

Hi Jean-Pierre,

some remarks about your code:

1. The simplefonts module isn’t needed anymore. The code has been added
to the ConTeXt core.

2. The language code for ancient Greek is agr.

3. In this particular case, you may load the Latin patterns with the
Greek language.

4. You define a mainface using the Palatino typeface, but then you load
palatino. It only works when you load the mainface.

5. It is better when you use typefaces distributed with ConTeXt.

Well, my code doesn’t work well. Line numbers and notes are only allowed
on one column.

I know Hans will hate me ;-), but the fun comes when the recursion
exceeds the first page.

BTW, I guess this approach (as flawed as it is) should work, but I
should be missing something with columns.

It is beyond my understanding why the last Greek paragraph fits on the
first page and the lat Latin paragraph doesn’t fit.

Here is the code:

\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, la}]
\mainlanguage[agr] % Greek as main language
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot]
 [preset=range:greek]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm]
\setupnotes[compress=yes]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5, location=inright, distance=1ex,
 align=center, width=0.5em]
\definemargindata[Stephanus][location=inner, distance=2ex,
 style=\em]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

\dorecurse{5}{\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

\Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον
ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον·
τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ
κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας
ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ
εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa;
si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia,
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumns}

Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/15/2016 08:44 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 5/15/2016 8:36 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> 
>> I know Hans will hate me ;-), but the fun comes when the recursion
>> exceeds the first page.
> 
> don't worry, as i don't follow this thread too closely
> 
> in fact, pages-001 is a test for parallel texts (but there is a one line 
> offset that i need to fix)

These are parallel pages, but that text needs parallel columns.

> Thomas is in charge of the parallel text spec and he's too busy to 
> follow up on that so I patiently wait for him to pick up that thread,

In the meantime (so that you don’t get bored :-)), when would it be the
right time to remind you of a feature you told me some months ago?

Many thanks for your help,

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5/15/2016 8:36 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:


I know Hans will hate me ;-), but the fun comes when the recursion
exceeds the first page.


don't worry, as i don't follow this thread too closely

in fact, pages-001 is a test for parallel texts (but there is a one line 
offset that i need to fix)


Thomas is in charge of the parallel text spec and he's too busy to 
follow up on that so I patiently wait for him to pick up that thread,


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/15/2016 06:46 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo and other ConTeXt wizards !
> 
> I've tried to find a solution to my previous question. Thanks to
> Pablo Rodriguez, the script is working very well. But when I try to
> take his solution with a 2 columns scheme (a Greek tex on left and a
> Latin one on right), the footnotes are not printed. I did something
> which is not thebest : to gather some declarations and see if they work !
> Then, the script below is more or less working (it does work : no
> error in the log !), but because it doesn't print footnotes, I
> wonder that it succeeds to print the 2 columns (greek and latin) ! To
> summarize what it doesn't work here :
> 1) lines numbering
> 2) footnotes

Hi Jean-Pierre,

some remarks about your code:

1. The simplefonts module isn’t needed anymore. The code has been added
to the ConTeXt core.

2. The language code for ancient Greek is agr.

3. In this particular case, you may load the Latin patterns with the
Greek language.

4. You define a mainface using the Palatino typeface, but then you load
palatino. It only works when you load the mainface.

5. It is better when you use typefaces distributed with ConTeXt.

Well, my code doesn’t work well. Line numbers and notes are only allowed
on one column.

I know Hans will hate me ;-), but the fun comes when the recursion
exceeds the first page.

BTW, I guess this approach (as flawed as it is) should work, but I
should be missing something with columns.

It is beyond my understanding why the last Greek paragraph fits on the
first page and the lat Latin paragraph doesn’t fit.

Here is the code:

\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, la}]
\mainlanguage[agr] % Greek as main language
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [GFS Didot]
 [preset=range:greek]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm]
\setupnotes[compress=yes]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5, location=inright, distance=1ex,
 align=center, width=0.5em]
\definemargindata[Stephanus][location=inner, distance=2ex,
 style=\em]
\setupbodyfont[mainface, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un
traitement de texte courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et
ConTeXt offrent des outils d'automatisation encore assez mal connus
dans la communauté des éditeurs, notamment dans l'édition
savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes
médiévaux.\par
\stop

\dorecurse{5}{\startcolumns[n=2, balance=yes]

\Stephanus{1a} Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα
μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον
ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον·
τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ
κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας
ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ
εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

\column

\startlinenumbering[continue]
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum \CNote{nomen}{première note} solum
commune est, secundum nomen vero \ANote{substantiae}{seconde note}
\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal
\DNote{homo}{troisième note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa;
si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia,
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.
\stoplinenumbering

\stopcolumns}
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo and other ConTeXt wizards !

I've tried to find a solution to my previous question. Thanks to Pablo 
Rodriguez, the script is working very well. But when I try to take his solution 
with a 2 columns scheme (a Greek tex on left and a latin one on right), the 
footnotes are not printed. I did something which is not the best : to gather 
some declarations and see if they work !
Then, the script below is more or less working (it does work : no error in the 
log !), but because it doesn't print footnotes, I wonder that it succeeds to 
print the 2 columns (greek and latin) ! To summarize what it doesn't work here 
: 
1) lines numbering
2) footnotes

Here is the script, which need to be clarified.

% \usemodule[simplefonts]
\definefontfamily [mainface] [serif] [Palatino]
\mainlanguage[gr] % Greek as main language
\setuplayout[header=2cm, footer=2cm] 
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupalign[hz, hanging]
\setuptolerance[strict]
\defineparagraphs[TwoColumns][n=2, align={hz, hanging}]
\setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][1][width=200pt, style=regular, align=left]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5] 
\setupbodyfont[palatino, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\fr % some text in French
Définir un apparat critique et le mettre en page avec un traitement de texte 
courant est un véritable casse-tête. LaTeX et ConTeXt offrent des outils 
d'automatisation encore assez mal connus dans la communauté des éditeurs, 
notamment dans l'édition savante, pour la collation et la comparaison de textes 
médiévaux.\par
\startlinenumbering
\startTwoColumns
\dorecurse{4}{[1a] Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα 
λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον· τούτων γὰρ 
ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος· ἐὰν γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ 
τις τί ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον 
ἀποδώσει.\par}\TwoColumns
\dorecurse{4}{Aequivoca dicuntur quorum nomen\CNote{nomen}{première note} solum 
commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae\ANote{substantiae}{seconde note} 
ratio\ANote{ratio}{seconde note} diversa, ut animal homo\DNote{homo}{troisième 
note} et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero 
substantiae
ratio diversa; si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia, 
propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.\par}
\stopTwoColumns
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext

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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
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Envoyé: Dimanche 15 Mai 2016 17:07:06
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/15/2016 04:35 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo !
> 
> Now, with the same scheme you generously gave us, I try to print (as
> a sample) some Ancient Greek text on a column located at left, with
> its Latin translation located on the right of the page and 'criticus
> apparatus' in French the footnotes, as previously asked.
> Then, we have Greek, Latin and French languages...

Hi Jean-Pierre,

I’m afraid that parallel texts is something it has to be improved in
ConTeXt, when Hans finds the time, the motivation... and a more or less
unified proposal.

So, you will have to wait until it is implemented (or simply improved).

Pablo

> A sample of Aristotle Greek:
> [1a] Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος
> τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον· τούτων
> γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος· ἐὰν
> γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου
> λόγον ἀποδώσει.
> 
> Latin translation:
> Aequivoca dicuntur quorum nomen solum commune est, secundum nomen
> vero substantiae ratio diversa, ut animal homo et quod pingitur.
> Horum enim solum nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae
> ratio diversa; si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint
> animalia, propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.

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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/15/2016 04:35 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> Hi Pablo !
> 
> Now, with the same scheme you generously gave us, I try to print (as
> a sample) some Ancient Greek text on a column located at left, with
> its Latin translation located on the right of the page and 'criticus
> apparatus' in French the footnotes, as previously asked.
> Then, we have Greek, Latin and French languages...

Hi Jean-Pierre,

I’m afraid that parallel texts is something it has to be improved in
ConTeXt, when Hans finds the time, the motivation... and a more or less
unified proposal.

So, you will have to wait until it is implemented (or simply improved).

Pablo


> A sample of Aristotle Greek:
> [1a] Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος
> τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον· τούτων
> γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος· ἐὰν
> γὰρ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου
> λόγον ἀποδώσει.
> 
> Latin translation:
> Aequivoca dicuntur quorum nomen solum commune est, secundum nomen
> vero substantiae ratio diversa, ut animal homo et quod pingitur.
> Horum enim solum nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae
> ratio diversa; si enim quis assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint
> animalia, propriam assignabit utriusque rationem.


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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Hi Pablo !

Now, with the same scheme you generously gave us, I try to print (as a sample) 
some Ancient Greek text on a column located at left, with its Latin translation 
located on the right of the page and 'criticus apparatus' in French the 
footnotes, as previously asked.
Then, we have Greek, Latin and French languages...

Thank you very much for your help !
JP

A sample of Aristotle Greek:
[1a] Ὁμώνυμα λέγεται ὧν ὄνομα μόνον κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας 
ἕτερος, οἷον ζῷον ὅ τε ἄνθρωπος καὶ τὸ γεγραμμένον• τούτων γὰρ ὄνομα μόνον 
κοινόν, ὁ δὲ κατὰ τοὔνομα λόγος τῆς οὐσίας ἕτερος• ἐὰν γὰρ ↵ ἀποδιδῷ τις τί 
ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ζῴῳ εἶναι, ἴδιον ἑκατέρου λόγον ἀποδώσει.

Latin translation:
Aequivoca dicuntur quorum nomen solum commune est, secundum nomen vero 
substantiae ratio diversa, ut animal homo et quod pingitur. Horum enim solum 
nomen commune est, secundum nomen vero substantiae ratio diversa; si enim quis 
assignet quid est utrique eorum quo sint animalia, propriam assignabit 
utriusque rationem.

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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
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Envoyé: Samedi 14 Mai 2016 19:16:45
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/13/2016 04:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> 
> I am currently writing in French some ConTeXt documentation. That's
> why I'm looking for some help about coding footnotes within a 'critical
> apparatus' work, like the sample given here below (which is given by
> Maieul Rouquette through its release of reledmac's LaTeX macro). Let me
> know, please, some documentation resources on this topic.
> 
> My question is as follow : how can ConTeXt produce the same printing
> as the one given by LaTeX ? I am not looking for a very translation in
> ConTeXt of this file given in LaTeX ! A similar sample (where different
> levels of notes are managed as in this LaTeX file) will be perfect.

Hi Jean-Pierre,

here you have a basic sample:

\mainlanguage[la]
\setuplayout[header=0cm, footer=0cm]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupbodyfont[palatino, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\en
\startlinenumbering
\dorecurse{9}% only to repeat the following paragraph
{Cum defensionum \CNote{laboribus}{first note} senatoriisque
muneribus aut omnino aut magna ex parte essem aliquando liberatus,
rettuli me, Brute, te hortante maxime ad ea studia, quae retenta
animo, remissa temporibus, longo intervallo intermissa revocavi, et
cum omnium artium, quae ad rectam vivendi viam pertinerent,
\ANote{ratio}{second note} et disciplina studio sapientiae, quae
philosophia dicitur, contineretur, hoc mihi Latinis litteris
\DNote{inlustrandum}{third note} putavi, non quia
\BNote{philosophia}{fourth note} Graecis et litteris et doctoribus
percipi non posset, sed meum semper iudicium fuit omnia nostros aut
invenisse per se sapientius quam Graecos aut accepta ab illis
fecisse meliora, quae quidem digna statuissent, in quibus
elaborarent.\par}
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext

I hope it helps,

Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange

Thank you very much Pablo ! 
I've tested on my Windows/Linux/Mac OS X installation and it's working fine. 
I've tried to change different parameters and your code is always working 
perfectly.
I'll make a SVG print in order to screen it on 
https://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/ConTeXt.

One more time : thank you Pablo !
JP



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De: "Pablo Rodriguez" <oi...@gmx.es>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Samedi 14 Mai 2016 19:16:45
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

On 05/13/2016 04:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> 
> I am currently writing in French some ConTeXt documentation. That's
> why I'm looking for some help about coding footnotes within a 'critical
> apparatus' work, like the sample given here below (which is given by
> Maieul Rouquette through its release of reledmac's LaTeX macro). Let me
> know, please, some documentation resources on this topic.
> 
> My question is as follow : how can ConTeXt produce the same printing
> as the one given by LaTeX ? I am not looking for a very translation in
> ConTeXt of this file given in LaTeX ! A similar sample (where different
> levels of notes are managed as in this LaTeX file) will be perfect.

Hi Jean-Pierre,

here you have a basic sample:

\mainlanguage[la]
\setuplayout[header=0cm, footer=0cm]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupbodyfont[palatino, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\en
\startlinenumbering
\dorecurse{9}% only to repeat the following paragraph
{Cum defensionum \CNote{laboribus}{first note} senatoriisque
muneribus aut omnino aut magna ex parte essem aliquando liberatus,
rettuli me, Brute, te hortante maxime ad ea studia, quae retenta
animo, remissa temporibus, longo intervallo intermissa revocavi, et
cum omnium artium, quae ad rectam vivendi viam pertinerent,
\ANote{ratio}{second note} et disciplina studio sapientiae, quae
philosophia dicitur, contineretur, hoc mihi Latinis litteris
\DNote{inlustrandum}{third note} putavi, non quia
\BNote{philosophia}{fourth note} Graecis et litteris et doctoribus
percipi non posset, sed meum semper iudicium fuit omnia nostros aut
invenisse per se sapientius quam Graecos aut accepta ab illis
fecisse meliora, quae quidem digna statuissent, in quibus
elaborarent.\par}
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext

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Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac: what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-14 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 05/13/2016 04:25 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> 
> I am currently writing in French some ConTeXt documentation. That's
> why I'm looking for some help about coding footnotes within a 'critical
> apparatus' work, like the sample given here below (which is given by
> Maieul Rouquette through its release of reledmac's LaTeX macro). Let me
> know, please, some documentation resources on this topic.
> 
> My question is as follow : how can ConTeXt produce the same printing
> as the one given by LaTeX ? I am not looking for a very translation in
> ConTeXt of this file given in LaTeX ! A similar sample (where different
> levels of notes are managed as in this LaTeX file) will be perfect.

Hi Jean-Pierre,

here you have a basic sample:

\mainlanguage[la]
\setuplayout[header=0cm, footer=0cm]
\setuplinenumbering[step=5]
\setupnotations[alternative=serried]
\definelinenote[aNote]
\definelinenote[bNote][n=2]
\definelinenote[cNote][n=3]
\definelinenote[dNote][paragraph=yes]
\def\ANote#1#2{#1\aNote{#1] #2}}
\def\BNote#1#2{#1\bNote{#1] #2}}
\def\CNote#1#2{#1\cNote{#1] #2}}
\def\DNote#1#2{#1\dNote{#1] #2}}
\setupbodyfont[palatino, 7.8pt]
\starttext
\start\en
\startlinenumbering
\dorecurse{9}% only to repeat the following paragraph
{Cum defensionum \CNote{laboribus}{first note} senatoriisque
muneribus aut omnino aut magna ex parte essem aliquando liberatus,
rettuli me, Brute, te hortante maxime ad ea studia, quae retenta
animo, remissa temporibus, longo intervallo intermissa revocavi, et
cum omnium artium, quae ad rectam vivendi viam pertinerent,
\ANote{ratio}{second note} et disciplina studio sapientiae, quae
philosophia dicitur, contineretur, hoc mihi Latinis litteris
\DNote{inlustrandum}{third note} putavi, non quia
\BNote{philosophia}{fourth note} Graecis et litteris et doctoribus
percipi non posset, sed meum semper iudicium fuit omnia nostros aut
invenisse per se sapientius quam Graecos aut accepta ab illis
fecisse meliora, quae quidem digna statuissent, in quibus
elaborarent.\par}
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext

I hope it helps,

Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] LaTeX reledmac : what about ConTeXt ?

2016-05-13 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange


I am currently writing in French some ConTeXt documentation. That's why I'm 
looking for some help about coding footnotes within a 'critical apparatus' 
work, like the sample given here below (which is given by Maieul Rouquette 
through its release of reledmac's LaTeX macro). Let me know, please, some 
documentation resources on this topic.

My question is as follow : how can ConTeXt produce the same printing as the one 
given by LaTeX ? I am not looking for a very translation in ConTeXt of this 
file given in LaTeX ! A similar sample (where different levels of notes are 
managed as in this LaTeX file) will be perfect.
Thank you very much,
Jean-Pierre Delange

Here the source sample in LaTeX :

(source TeX here : 
http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/reledmac/examples/1-criticalnotes.tex;
 Print PDF here : 
http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/reledmac/examples/1-criticalnotes.pdf):

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{libertineotf}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{latin}
\setotherlanguage{english}
\usepackage{SIunits}

\usepackage[series={A,B,C},noend,noeledsec,noledgroup]{reledmac}

% THE APPARATI ARE PARAGRAPHED
\Xarrangement{paragraph}


%VERTICAL SPACES BEFORE APPARATUS
\preXnotes{0.5cm}

% VERTICAL SPACE BEFORE RULES
\newlength{\before} % A length which will contains the 
space before the rule
\setlength{\before}{3mm}% The space we want to have
\addtolength{\before}{3pt}  % A compensation for the space 
decreased by \footnoterule
\Xbeforenotes{\before}  % And so, we configure reledmac.

% VERTICAL SPACE AFTER RULES
\newlength{\after}  % A length which will contains 
the space before the rule
\setlength{\after}{3mm} % The space we want to have
\addtolength{\after}{-2.6pt}% A compensation for the space added by 
\footnoterule
\Xafterrule{\after} % And so, we configure reledmac.

\begin{document}

\begin{english}
\title{Setting spaces around footnote rules}
\maketitle
\begin{abstract}
This file sets spaces around footnote rules, to have a uniform 
\unit{3}{\milli\meter} before and after. There are three levels of paragraphed 
notes. Before the first series of notes, we have \unit{0.5}{\centi\meter}.

We use \verb+\Xbeforenotes+ and \verb+\Xafterrule+. There is, anyway, a 
subtlety: the footnote rule of reledmac is the standard \LaTeX footnote rule: 
\verb+\footnoterule+, which automatically decreases \unit{3}{pt} before and 
adds \unit{2.6}{pt} after. So we have to compensate, by defining to length:  
\verb+before+ and \verb+\after+, which are passed to the respective commands. 
\end{abstract}
\end{english}

\beginnumbering
\pstart%
Cum defensionum \edtext{laboribus}{\Cfootnote{first note}} senatoriisque 
muneribus aut omnino aut magna ex parte essem aliquando liberatus, rettuli me, 
Brute, te hortante maxime ad ea studia, quae retenta animo, remissa temporibus, 
longo intervallo intermissa revocavi, et cum omnium artium, quae ad rectam 
vivendi viam pertinerent, \edtext{ratio}{\Afootnote{second note}} et disciplina 
studio sapientiae, quae philosophia dicitur, contineretur, hoc mihi Latinis 
litteris \edtext{inlustrandum}{\Cfootnote{third note}} putavi, non quia 
\edtext{philosophia}{\Bfootnote{fourth note}} Graecis et litteris et doctoribus 
percipi non posset, sed meum semper iudicium fuit omnia nostros aut invenisse 
per se sapientius quam Graecos aut accepta ab illis fecisse meliora, quae 
quidem digna statuissent, in quibus elaborarent.
\pend

\pstart%
Cum defensionum \edtext{laboribus}{\Cfootnote{first note}} senatoriisque 
muneribus aut omnino aut magna ex parte essem aliquando liberatus, rettuli me, 
Brute, te hortante maxime ad ea studia, quae retenta animo, remissa temporibus, 
longo intervallo intermissa revocavi, et cum omnium artium, quae ad rectam 
vivendi viam pertinerent, \edtext{ratio}{\Afootnote{second note}} et disciplina 
studio sapientiae, quae philosophia dicitur, contineretur, hoc mihi Latinis 
litteris \edtext{inlustrandum}{\Cfootnote{third note}} putavi, non quia 
\edtext{philosophia}{\Bfootnote{fourth note}} Graecis et litteris et doctoribus 
percipi non posset, sed meum semper iudicium fuit omnia nostros aut invenisse 
per se sapientius quam Graecos aut accepta ab illis fecisse meliora, quae 
quidem digna statuissent, in quibus elaborarent.
\pend

\pstart%
Cum defensionum \edtext{laboribus}{\Cfootnote{first note}} senatoriisque 
muneribus aut omnino aut magna ex parte essem aliquando liberatus, rettuli me, 
Brute, te hortante maxime ad ea studia, quae retenta animo, remissa temporibus, 
longo intervallo intermissa revocavi, et cum omnium artium, quae ad rectam 
vivendi viam pertinerent, \edtext{ratio}{\Afootnote{second note}} et disciplina 
studio sapientiae, quae philosophia dicitur, contineretur, hoc mihi Latinis 
litteris \edtext{inlustrandum}{\Cfootnote{third note}} putavi, non quia

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