Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up
To gather information about ConTeXt I have - read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf) - bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen - started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth In addition to the TeX book you might be interested in TeX for the Impatient: http://www.ctan.org/pkg/impatient see top of p.8 for recommendations for reading. -- Dmitriy ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Malte Stien ma...@stien.de wrote: To gather information about ConTeXt I have - read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf) - bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen - started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX mainly because it would mean having a lot more literature and a broader community at my disposal. However, I just prefer the command structure and output of ConTeXt. Can anyone relate to my problem? Am I on the right track? What else should I be doing or reading to really break into ConTeXt? you have missed - read the source Take a problem, grep the source see how Hans addresses the problem. There are examples on how to use a feature that sometime are not explained in manuals. I think that here mkiv is better than latex (oh, well, after all it's the context ml , right ?). -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up
Hello, On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:19:44 +0200, Malte Stien ma...@stien.de wrote: Hello Everyone, I have been using ConTeXt for over a year now and worked out how to do most things I need to do. Every now and then, though, I need to do something that I cannot find any information about and in most cases I post a question here on the forum. I have received great help here over the months and like to thank everyone who took the time to answer my questions. The other day, however, I had a problem, posted a message here, got an answer and the answer did not quite work; I went back to the forum, got more help... In the process I realised that I should have been able to work this out myself; I was not even able to tweak the first answer and make it work. I am an IT engineer myself, but with little time (I guess I am not unique here) and even less experience in TeX. I guess what I am saying is, that I would like to gain a much deeper understanding of ConTeXt which will allow me to program in ConTeXt rather than just using the documented command. To gather information about ConTeXt I have - read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf) - bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen - started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth this is a normal approach - questioning, searching for answers... It's the same for ConTeXt as for LaTeX. Personally, I started with Ltx and migrated to Ctx some years ago. Big advantages of Ctx are: - This forum is very alive, almost all questions are answered in short time. - Ctx document is much more customizable by standard Ctx commands, i.e. - compared with Ltx - you don't need to go in the Ltx source and investigate how to do this-or-that. Ltx seems to me a bit rigid - it's not so easy to change style of heads, special paragraphs, enumerations, ... - Ctx is still developed; AFAIK Ltx ver. 3.? is being prepared/issued several (- at least 5 -) years. - Ctx: Some features - if they seem useful - may be implemented on-demand, so they may be ready to use with a next beta (thanks mainly Hans; as well as Wolfgand, Aditya...). - Although Ctx wiki is not best manual one could imagine, (pros:) it is still maintained and developed (cons: some info may be obsolete, some articles may be written in old-style fashion...) - Ltx: I don't know how far Ltx is bound with Lua and how this relation is documented; I guess poorly. As Ctx is concerned, many (almost all?) things of TeX/Ctx core may be accessible/hookable by Lua - this is a great feature; and IMHO: as if you are normal programmer, programming by Lua should be much more quicker for you than doing things by TeX macro language. So, my personal advice would be - try to stay with Ctx, I believe after some initial problems/obstacles you'll be becoming master and Ctx will become a good slave. Best regards, Lukas I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX mainly because it would mean having a lot more literature and a broader community at my disposal. However, I just prefer the command structure and output of ConTeXt. Can anyone relate to my problem? Am I on the right track? What else should I be doing or reading to really break into ConTeXt? Regards, Malte. PS: Just to be clear; I don't mean for the above to be conceived as shortcomings of ConTeXt, rather I think of them as shortcomings of myself. The developers of ConTeXt have done a fantastic job and I really enjoy writing in ConTeXt and looking at the output. -- Ing. Lukáš Procházka [mailto:l...@pontex.cz] Pontex s. r. o. [mailto:pon...@pontex.cz] [http://www.pontex.cz] Bezová 1658 147 14 Praha 4 Tel: +420 244 062 238 Fax: +420 244 461 038 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up
On 6/14/2013 9:17 AM, luigi scarso wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Malte Stien ma...@stien.de mailto:ma...@stien.de wrote: To gather information about ConTeXt I have - read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf) - bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen - started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX mainly because it would mean having a lot more literature and a broader community at my disposal. However, I just prefer the command structure and output of ConTeXt. Can anyone relate to my problem? Am I on the right track? What else should I be doing or reading to really break into ConTeXt? you have missed - read the source Take a problem, grep the source see how Hans addresses the problem. There are examples on how to use a feature that sometime are not explained in manuals. other resources: - the wiki - the test suite (lots of small examples) - modules by (e.g. wolfgangs modules are mkiv compliant) - maybe examples on stack exchange (there are nice ones there) - sites like http://randomdeterminism.wordpress.com and probably more Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Learning ConTeXt from the Ground Up
Hello Everyone, I have been using ConTeXt for over a year now and worked out how to do most things I need to do. Every now and then, though, I need to do something that I cannot find any information about and in most cases I post a question here on the forum. I have received great help here over the months and like to thank everyone who took the time to answer my questions. The other day, however, I had a problem, posted a message here, got an answer and the answer did not quite work; I went back to the forum, got more help... In the process I realised that I should have been able to work this out myself; I was not even able to tweak the first answer and make it work. I am an IT engineer myself, but with little time (I guess I am not unique here) and even less experience in TeX. I guess what I am saying is, that I would like to gain a much deeper understanding of ConTeXt which will allow me to program in ConTeXt rather than just using the documented command. To gather information about ConTeXt I have - read the ConTeXt Reference Manual (http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf) - bought a couple of the published books by Hans Hagen - started reading the TeX book by Donald Knuth I have even briefly flirted with the idea of switching to LaTeX mainly because it would mean having a lot more literature and a broader community at my disposal. However, I just prefer the command structure and output of ConTeXt. Can anyone relate to my problem? Am I on the right track? What else should I be doing or reading to really break into ConTeXt? Regards, Malte. PS: Just to be clear; I don't mean for the above to be conceived as shortcomings of ConTeXt, rather I think of them as shortcomings of myself. The developers of ConTeXt have done a fantastic job and I really enjoy writing in ConTeXt and looking at the output. -- “The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder... Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.” ― Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
