Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-29 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Jan 29, 2008 12:19 AM, Arthur Reutenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is wrong, fon-otf contains a few lua macros about linebreaking and char-def has information about the character width (full width, half width ...) and other information like opening punctuation, parenthesis but none

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Jan 28, 2008 3:17 AM, Arthur Reutenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Thanks for this comprehensive review. If I'm not mistaken, there is no specific code for CJKV typesetting in Mark IV; the examples in mk.pdf seem to use the generic font loading mechanism. This is wrong,

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Hello, Thanks for this comprehensive review. If I'm not mistaken, there is no specific code for CJKV typesetting in Mark IV; the examples in mk.pdf seem to use the generic font loading mechanism. I would like to answer more completely, but don't have much time for the moment. About

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
actually, there is code in there but you need to specify chinese as feature \definefontfeature [chinese-traditional] [mode=node,script=hang,lang=zht] \definefontfeature [chinese-simple] [mode=node,script=hang,lang=zhs] OK, but hang should still be replaced by hani if you

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Do you mean simply closer to the margin, or in the margin itself (protruding)? Protruding is already possible in pdfTeX; I believe it is available in LuaTeX as well, although it might be broken for the moment (Taco?). Protrusion should be available in luatex as

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
i'm not going to waste time on protruding in mkiv, later this year we will have proper font related protruding and hz tables and then i will pick up that thread Anyway, if you read Yue's reply, he says the glyphs should not protrude in Chinese anyway ;-) But I'm pretty sure they can in

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Hans Hagen
Taco Hoekwater wrote: Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Do you mean simply closer to the margin, or in the margin itself (protruding)? Protruding is already possible in pdfTeX; I believe it is available in LuaTeX as well, although it might be broken for the moment (Taco?). Protrusion should be

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Yue Wang
Thank you very much for your mail! On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Arthur Reutenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Thanks for this comprehensive review. If I'm not mistaken, there is no specific code for CJKV typesetting in Mark IV; the examples in mk.pdf seem to use the

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
This is wrong, fon-otf contains a few lua macros about linebreaking and char-def has information about the character width (full width, half width ...) and other information like opening punctuation, parenthesis but none of them is finished. OK, I thought line breaking would be managed in

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Hans Hagen
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Adobe like AdobeSongStd don't have a hang script at all anyway. Do you know fonts that have? btw, the same is true for japanese and korean ... i like these glyphs and playing with them but i need input from users on how to organize things, i.e. script/lang

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Hans Hagen
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Thanks for this comprehensive review. If I'm not mistaken, there is no specific code for CJKV typesetting in Mark IV; the examples in mk.pdf seem to use the generic font loading mechanism. I would like to answer more completely, but don't have much time for

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-28 Thread Hans Hagen
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: You need the hang script, it takes care about the linebreak. What do you mean? How does it take care about the linebreak? And how can it be relevant for Chinese characters? Default Chinese fonts from Adobe like AdobeSongStd don't have a hang script at all

[NTG-context] MKIV Chinese typesetting

2008-01-27 Thread Yue Wang
Dear Hans and other friends: I play a little bit on MKIV's Chinese support and find it is incomplete. It has some serious problems, and lack important features as well. Well, I know it from mk.pdf that Chinese support is under construction, so in this email I just want to give some Chinese