Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.
On 7/26/2018 9:34 AM, Tomas Hala wrote: Fri, Jul 20, 2018 ve 09:24:23PM +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a): # On 7/20/2018 5:05 PM, Tomas Hala wrote: # >Hi all, # > # >I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more. # # maybe discuss it at the upcoming ctx meeting ... Good idea, indeed. # ... you can prepare a # summative talk about it (including the demands for following some # standard) I guess I can collect only some (unordered) pieces of information about this but I really do not feel up to prepare a talk covering the topic systematically... If it does not matter... just collect them ... luigi can probbaly kick in with some info about validators and so, and we can look into pdf files for further enlightment (i can explain some internals and such) (of course we can also have a m,ore philosophical discussiion about these standards, validation, tagging, fancy pdf features, etc) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.
Fri, Jul 20, 2018 ve 09:24:23PM +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):
# On 7/20/2018 5:05 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.
#
# maybe discuss it at the upcoming ctx meeting ...
Good idea, indeed.
# ... you can prepare a
# summative talk about it (including the demands for following some
# standard)
I guess I can collect only some (unordered) pieces of information about this
but I really do not feel up to prepare a talk covering the topic
systematically...
If it does not matter...
Tomáš
# >First, I would like to thank Alan, Luigi, Pablo and Henri for their pieces
# >of help and information.
# >
# >
# >Summary:
# >
# >
# >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# >
# ># Alan: /usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript
# >
# >This must be dependent on the version of operating system or on something
# >else because on computers I have permission to work on no this subtree is
present.
# >
# ># Luigi: tex/texmf-context/colors/icc
# >
# >In standalone versions I tried during March and April and Pablo in June,
there is really this special directory
# >but we found there only one of the files -- default_gray.icc. Other
default*.icc files
# >(default_cmyk.icc, default_rgb.icc) which are mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A
# >were not present. Similarly at http://www.eci.org/en/downloads.
# >
# ># Henri:
http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# >
# >Good deal -- here one can really find all three default*.icc files mentioned
at
# >http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A, but with no visible link to the
# >mentioned zipfile from this page.
# >
# >
# >
# >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
# >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# >
# ># Luigi: They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.
# >
# >What is the difference between texlive copyright approach and context
standalone copyright approach?
# >
# >I read a few documents about licences for icc files and it seemed to me that
the redistribution is possible,
# >for non-commercial use without restrictions, the redistributor is obliged
only to add the corresponding
# >licence document to the software containing the icc file(s) and must not
change the name of the file(s).
# >
# >So, is possible to add the missing two default*.icc files to the context
standalone version?
# >
# >
# >
# >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
# >PDF/a compliant when these icc files are not present and the whole content
# >of the document is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# >
# ># No reaction. :-)
# >
# >This question is important only if the default*.icc files are not (will not
be) present and used when the PDF file is generated.
# >Has somebody got any idea whether the PDF/A without icc files is accepted as
PDF/A or not?
# >
# >
# >
# >The best,
# >
# >Tomáš
# >
# >---
# >
# >Tue, Jun 19, 2018 ve 09:38:55AM +1200 Henri Menke napsal(a):
# >#
# >#
# ># On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
# ># >Hi all,
# ># >
# ># >at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
# ># >
# ># >"
# ># >In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can
do as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following
color profiles files
# ># >
# ># >default_cmyk.icc
# ># >default_gray.icc
# ># >default_rgb.icc
# ># >ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
# ># >
# ># >into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
# ># >"
# ># >
# ># >So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
# ># >I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX)
installation from TeXlive
# ># >neither as separate files, nor at file
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
# ># >
# ># >Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from
our garden.
# ># >
# ># >Therefore, I would like to ask
# ># >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# ># >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive
and garden installations,
# ># >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# ># >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...])
is PDF/a compliant when these
# ># >icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only
in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# >#
# ># wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# ># unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
# >#
# ># >
# ># >Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I
am asking.
# ># >
# ># >Best wishes,
# ># >
# ># >Tomáš
# ># >
# >#
>___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.
On 7/20/2018 5:05 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.
maybe discuss it at the upcoming ctx meeting ... you can prepare a
summative talk about it (including the demands for following some standard)
First, I would like to thank Alan, Luigi, Pablo and Henri for their pieces
of help and information.
Summary:
(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# Alan: /usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript
This must be dependent on the version of operating system or on something
else because on computers I have permission to work on no this subtree is
present.
# Luigi: tex/texmf-context/colors/icc
In standalone versions I tried during March and April and Pablo in June, there
is really this special directory
but we found there only one of the files -- default_gray.icc. Other
default*.icc files
(default_cmyk.icc, default_rgb.icc) which are mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A
were not present. Similarly at http://www.eci.org/en/downloads.
# Henri: http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
Good deal -- here one can really find all three default*.icc files mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A, but with no visible link to the
mentioned zipfile from this page.
(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# Luigi: They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.
What is the difference between texlive copyright approach and context
standalone copyright approach?
I read a few documents about licences for icc files and it seemed to me that
the redistribution is possible,
for non-commercial use without restrictions, the redistributor is obliged only
to add the corresponding
licence document to the software containing the icc file(s) and must not change
the name of the file(s).
So, is possible to add the missing two default*.icc files to the context
standalone version?
(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these icc files are not present and the whole content
of the document is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# No reaction. :-)
This question is important only if the default*.icc files are not (will not be)
present and used when the PDF file is generated.
Has somebody got any idea whether the PDF/A without icc files is accepted as
PDF/A or not?
The best,
Tomáš
---
Tue, Jun 19, 2018 ve 09:38:55AM +1200 Henri Menke napsal(a):
#
#
# On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
# >
# >"
# >In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can do
as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following color
profiles files
# >
# >default_cmyk.icc
# >default_gray.icc
# >default_rgb.icc
# >ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
# >
# >into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
# >"
# >
# >So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
# >I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX)
installation from TeXlive
# >neither as separate files, nor at file
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
# >
# >Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our
garden.
# >
# >Therefore, I would like to ask
# >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
# >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these
# >icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in
black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
#
# wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
#
# >
# >Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I am
asking.
# >
# >Best wishes,
# >
# >Tomáš
# >
#
>___
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the Wiki!
# >
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.
Hi all,
I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.
First, I would like to thank Alan, Luigi, Pablo and Henri for their pieces
of help and information.
Summary:
(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# Alan: /usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript
This must be dependent on the version of operating system or on something
else because on computers I have permission to work on no this subtree is
present.
# Luigi: tex/texmf-context/colors/icc
In standalone versions I tried during March and April and Pablo in June, there
is really this special directory
but we found there only one of the files -- default_gray.icc. Other
default*.icc files
(default_cmyk.icc, default_rgb.icc) which are mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A
were not present. Similarly at http://www.eci.org/en/downloads.
# Henri: http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
Good deal -- here one can really find all three default*.icc files mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A, but with no visible link to the
mentioned zipfile from this page.
(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# Luigi: They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.
What is the difference between texlive copyright approach and context
standalone copyright approach?
I read a few documents about licences for icc files and it seemed to me that
the redistribution is possible,
for non-commercial use without restrictions, the redistributor is obliged only
to add the corresponding
licence document to the software containing the icc file(s) and must not change
the name of the file(s).
So, is possible to add the missing two default*.icc files to the context
standalone version?
(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these icc files are not present and the whole content
of the document is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# No reaction. :-)
This question is important only if the default*.icc files are not (will not be)
present and used when the PDF file is generated.
Has somebody got any idea whether the PDF/A without icc files is accepted as
PDF/A or not?
The best,
Tomáš
---
Tue, Jun 19, 2018 ve 09:38:55AM +1200 Henri Menke napsal(a):
#
#
# On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
# >
# >"
# >In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can do
as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following color
profiles files
# >
# >default_cmyk.icc
# >default_gray.icc
# >default_rgb.icc
# >ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
# >
# >into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
# >"
# >
# >So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
# >I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX)
installation from TeXlive
# >neither as separate files, nor at file
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
# >
# >Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our
garden.
# >
# >Therefore, I would like to ask
# >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
# >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these
# >icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in
black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
#
# wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
#
# >
# >Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I am
asking.
# >
# >Best wishes,
# >
# >Tomáš
# >
#
>___
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the Wiki!
# >
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files?
On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
Hi all,
at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
"
In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can do as
follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following color
profiles files
default_cmyk.icc
default_gray.icc
default_rgb.icc
ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
"
So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX)
installation from TeXlive
neither as separate files, nor at file
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our
garden.
Therefore, I would like to ask
(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these
icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in
black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I am
asking.
Best wishes,
Tomáš
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files?
On 06/18/2018 05:20 PM, Tomas Hala wrote: > Hi all, > > at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following: > [...] > So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and > I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX) > installation from TeXlive > neither as separate files, nor at file > context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml. > > Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our > garden. Hi Tomáš, from latest beta (2018.06.12 21:48): $ ls -lh /path-to-ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles/ total 3.6M -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 416 Jun 12 21:55 default_gray.icc -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 2.0K Jun 12 21:55 ecirgb_v2.icc -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 700 Jun 12 21:55 ecirgb_v2_iccv4.icc -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 1.8M Jun 12 21:55 isocoated_v2_300_eci.icc -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 1.8M Jun 12 21:55 isocoated_v2_eci.icc -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 3.1K Jun 12 21:55 srgb.icc -rw-r--r--. 1 ousia ousia 60K Jun 12 21:55 srgb_v4_icc_preference.icc > Therefore, I would like to ask > (a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files, See above. > [...] > Our university decided to be "PDF/A compliant", that is the reason why I am > asking. Good luck. At my workplace they also wanted to be PDF/A compliant, but they don’t handle PDF/A-3a documents. I hope it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files?
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:20 PM Tomas Hala wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
>
> "
> In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can
> do as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following
> color profiles files
>
> default_cmyk.icc
> default_gray.icc
> default_rgb.icc
> ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
>
> into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
> directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
> "
>
> So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
> I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX)
> installation from TeXlive
> neither as separate files, nor at file
> context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
>
> Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from
> our garden.
>
> Therefore, I would like to ask
> (a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
> (b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
> garden installations,
> (c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
> (d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
> PDF/a compliant when these
> icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in
> black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
>
Hm, they should be under
tex/texmf-context/colors/icc
in the standalone (beta) from the garden (I have just installed it, and I
see them).
They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.
Anyway, see
http://www.eci.org/en/downloads
--
luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files?
On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:20:15 +0200
Tomas Hala wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
>
> "
> In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one
> can do as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the
> following color profiles files
>
> default_cmyk.icc
> default_gray.icc
> default_rgb.icc
> ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
>
> into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
> directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript... "
>
> So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70)
> and I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or
> TeX) installation from TeXlive neither as separate files, nor at file
> context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
>
> Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations
> from our garden.
>
> Therefore, I would like to ask
> (a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
/usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript
on my system...
> (b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the
> TeXlive and garden installations, (c) if it is possible to add it
> there for future, and (d) if the produced PDF (with
> \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is PDF/a compliant when
> these icc files are not present and the whole content of the document
> is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
>
> Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason
> why I am asking.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tomáš
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[NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files?
Hi all,
at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
"
In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can do as
follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following color
profiles files
default_cmyk.icc
default_gray.icc
default_rgb.icc
ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
"
So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX)
installation from TeXlive
neither as separate files, nor at file
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our
garden.
Therefore, I would like to ask
(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and
garden installations,
(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these
icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in
black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I am
asking.
Best wishes,
Tomáš
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