[NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Paul Tremblay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 02:19:18PM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: >> - left/right trimming of horizontal lines >> > > What do you mean by left/right trimming? a line that goes to the border of the cell but not further, i.e. it does not extend into the space between two cells. So two cells next to each other would look like this: || | | -|| |-|- || | | one right trimmed and one left trimmed rule. this would be the untrimmed variant || | | -|-|- || | | see the file booktabs.pdf (that describes a LaTeX package) on page two. Compare the table two and three. Esp. the rule below "Item". It should not advance over the word Description. > If I am correct, doesn't one use \DL to draw a line at the bottom of > a cell, \DC to not draw a line, and \DL to end the row? This means > one can draw lines just for the cells one wants in any manner. See this table. The middle rule is too wide for me. It needs left and right timming. \starttable[] \HL[2] \NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \FR \DC \DL[2] \DR \NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \MR \HL[2] \stoptable Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki and more: http://contextgarden.net ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 02:19:18PM +0200, Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: > - left/right trimming of horizontal lines > What do you mean by left/right trimming? If I am correct, doesn't one use \DL to draw a line at the bottom of a cell, \DC to not draw a line, and \DL to end the row? This means one can draw lines just for the cells one wants in any manner. Paul -- *Paul Tremblay * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Good to know about the optional parameter of \HL. I still miss the same things as Patrick: - rules of arbitrary thickness (not only multiples of something) - fine-tuning of vertical spacing, especially around thicker rules - left/right trimming of horizontal lines Patrick, please let me know if you manage to produce something booktabs-like. Thanks, -- Eckhart ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Hello Hans,
> \starttable[|||]
> \HL[2]
> \NC test \NC test \NC \FR
> \HL[5]
> \NC test \NC test \NC \MR
> \HL[8]
> \NC test \NC test \NC \LR
> \HL[2]
> \stoptable
These [n] are multiplies of a default dimension? I'd like to say \TR
for a default (predefined, thicker) top rule or \TR[30pt] for a very
thick top rule. Same with a \MR and \BR (mid rule, bottom rule), but
these names are already used...
I see: with s0 the table is trimmed left and right. Great.
>> To get a horizontal rule from column a to column b you can (in LaTeX)
>> use:
>> \cmidrule[](){aâb}
>> where wd is the rulethickness, trim is where to cut off a bit, and
>> a,
>> b the columns. This is a very nice command that I often use.
>
> \starttable[]
> \HL[2]
> \NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \FR
> \DC \DL[2] \DR
> \NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \MR
> \HL[8]
> \NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \LR
> \HL[2]
> \stoptable
Is it possible to trim the second horizontal rule so that the left and
right edge are cut off?
>> \addlinespace addes a little space between rows.
> we have \SR for that
And here again, I'd like to be able to specify the vertical spacing.
Thanks so far, I am getting closer. And I promise to write a myway
once I can make a table like the ones I am used to.
Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
There are commands like \toprule, \midrule, \bottomrule that insert
horizontal rules with different thickness (default values, optional
ones can be added with [..] right after the command). Eckhart has sent
an example in his first post.
\starttable[|||]
\HL[2]
\NC test \NC test \NC \FR
\HL[5]
\NC test \NC test \NC \MR
\HL[8]
\NC test \NC test \NC \LR
\HL[2]
\stoptable
To get a horizontal rule from column a to column b you can (in LaTeX)
use:
\cmidrule[](){aâb}
where wd is the rulethickness, trim is where to cut off a bit, and a,
b the columns. This is a very nice command that I often use.
\starttable[]
\HL[2]
\NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \FR
\DC \DL[2] \DR
\NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \MR
\HL[8]
\NC test \NC test \NC test \NC \LR
\HL[2]
\stoptable
\addlinespace addes a little space between rows.
we have \SR for that
Table preambles can be complicated... but the next one is pretty
simple:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@{}}
means: to the left of the table, there should be no whitespace (i.e.
the leftmost glyph of the table should be tight to the preceding
glyph) now, there is a right aligned column, two left aligned, 22
centered columns and one type "v" and to the right there should be no
whitespace either. The column type v is defined like this
\framed[offset=overlay]{%
\starttable[s0|s1r|l|l|*{2}{c}|]
\NC right \NC left \NC left \NC one \NC two \AR
\NC r \NC l\NC l\NC 1 \NC 2 \AR
\stoptable
}
something is wrong with the format key defining mechanism and hooks; i need to
check this
[actually, i need to merge the original table code and my patches into one file
so that i can make things more robust]
\newcolumntype{v}[1]{>{\raggedright\hspace{0pt}}p{#1}}
Ragged right but so that the first word can be hyphenated.
Or another columntype could be:
\newcolumntype{R}[1]{%
>{\begin{turn}{90}\begin{minipage}[t][0pt]{#1}\smalltabsize\raggedright\hspace{0pt}}l%
<{\end{minipage}\end{turn}}%
}
that would lead to rotated raggedright text in a smaller font.
keys ... but i need to fix something
I know that ConTeXt tables have a lot of features that LaTeX tables
don't have.
hidden features -)
Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Hello Hans,
[LaTeX tables]
> what exactly are you missing?
There is a good file that pretty much describes what I am missing
(perhaps haven't found in a manual - I never looked that close):
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/booktabs.pdf
There are commands like \toprule, \midrule, \bottomrule that insert
horizontal rules with different thickness (default values, optional
ones can be added with [..] right after the command). Eckhart has sent
an example in his first post.
To get a horizontal rule from column a to column b you can (in LaTeX)
use:
\cmidrule[](){aâb}
where wd is the rulethickness, trim is where to cut off a bit, and a,
b the columns. This is a very nice command that I often use.
\addlinespace addes a little space between rows.
Table preambles can be complicated... but the next one is pretty
simple:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@{}}
means: to the left of the table, there should be no whitespace (i.e.
the leftmost glyph of the table should be tight to the preceding
glyph) now, there is a right aligned column, two left aligned, 22
centered columns and one type "v" and to the right there should be no
whitespace either. The column type v is defined like this
\newcolumntype{v}[1]{>{\raggedright\hspace{0pt}}p{#1}}
Ragged right but so that the first word can be hyphenated.
Or another columntype could be:
\newcolumntype{R}[1]{%
>{\begin{turn}{90}\begin{minipage}[t][0pt]{#1}\smalltabsize\raggedright\hspace{0pt}}l%
<{\end{minipage}\end{turn}}%
}
that would lead to rotated raggedright text in a smaller font.
I know that ConTeXt tables have a lot of features that LaTeX tables
don't have.
Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 at 22:38:15+0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: I sometimes do heavy tabulate typesetting. This is one of the last reasons using LaTeX for me. Oh yes indeed. I think this is really the last thing where context is inferior to latex. Well, not really inferior when considering capabilities like those offered by natural tables. But concerning the final output, yes. And unfortunately, tables are very important for my next project. When I think of a hundred-or-so-pages document with many floats, using latex - I thought I would never have to go through this again. And I simply can't imagine anymore living with things like context's float placement, metapost tricks, hanging punctuation, great support for crazy feature request, etc. To be honest, I even thought of including latex tables as figures generated from inline code... what exactly are you missing? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 at 22:38:15+0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: > I sometimes do heavy tabulate typesetting. This is one of the last > reasons using LaTeX for me. Oh yes indeed. I think this is really the last thing where context is inferior to latex. Well, not really inferior when considering capabilities like those offered by natural tables. But concerning the final output, yes. And unfortunately, tables are very important for my next project. When I think of a hundred-or-so-pages document with many floats, using latex - I thought I would never have to go through this again. And I simply can't imagine anymore living with things like context's float placement, metapost tricks, hanging punctuation, great support for crazy feature request, etc. To be honest, I even thought of including latex tables as figures generated from inline code... -- Eckhart ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: good-looking tables in context
Hi Eckhart, > - There are rules of different thickness for top, bottom, and middle > rules. [...] One day I hacked my own code around some tabulate material to get this (rulethickness) done. I whish this feature would be in the kernel. I sometimes do heavy tabulate typesetting. This is one of the last reasons using LaTeX for me. Sorry of not being of any help. Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
