Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-21 Thread Sander Maijers
Great, thanks for reporting.

Sander Maijers

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Rik r...@panix.com wrote:

  On 2014-10-20 10:08, Sander Maijers wrote:

  I am wondering likewise.

  Sander,

 The question has been mooted. The first beta (of two) on 2014-10-16
 resolved the issue, and the result of your example is what the text in it
 describes.

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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-20 Thread Sander Maijers
I am wondering likewise.

Sander Maijers

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Rik r...@panix.com wrote:

 On 2014-10-15 17:06, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Am 15.10.2014 um 21:03 schrieb Rik Kabel cont...@rik.users.panix.com:

  I am not sure I understand the need for symstyle and symcolor. The issue
 is not that the symbols are not styled/colored, but that they do not appear
 at all when a non-normal style is specified. What I see with the example I
 posted is:
 hacaddjd.png
 and I assume that Sander saw a similar issue.

 Note that there are no square brackets present as defined for layer 2.

 I realize that style=normal for level 3 should perhaps be style=\tf,
 since normal is redefined to slanted within the scope of layer 2. With that
 change to my example, I get
 fageaehi.png
 This still has the lack of square brackets, and now in addition lacks
 curly braces for level 3.

 If your fix is meant to repair that, all is well. If not, could you
 explain why “it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv”?

 When you use “location=text” context checks the value of the style key,
 when the value of the key is “normal”
 the left and right arguments are used but when you use a different value
 (e.g. slanted) context applies only
 the style and color values.


 Thank you, Wolfgang, for that explanation of what is being done.

 Can you explain why this is done? It would seem, given the name of the
 command, that the delimiter is more important than the styling, and so I
 suspect that there is some historical reason that this behavior was chosen.
 Styling can be done within the text, as can delimiters, but the benefit of
 the command is that it should be able to manage multiple levels
 automatically.

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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-20 Thread Rik

On 2014-10-20 10:08, Sander Maijers wrote:

I am wondering likewise.


Sander,

The question has been mooted. The first beta (of two) on 2014-10-16 
resolved the issue, and the result of your example is what the text in 
it describes.


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[NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-15 Thread Sander Maijers
Hi,

I'm using beta 2014.09.27. The code below produces a slanted, unquoted
quotation, whereas I intend to produce a slanted, double-quoted quotation.
How can I fix it?

\definedelimitedtext[quotationsl][
  style=slanted,
  left={\symbol[leftquotation]},
  right={\symbol[rightquotation]},
  location=text,
]

\setupdelimitedtext[quotationsl][style=slanted,left={\symbol[leftquotation]},right={\symbol[rightquotation]}]

\starttext
\quotationsl{This should be slanted and double-quoted.}
\stoptext

Best,
Sander Maijers
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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-15 Thread Rik Kabel

On 2014-10-15 09:06, Sander Maijers wrote:

Hi,

I'm using beta 2014.09.27. The code below produces a slanted, unquoted 
quotation, whereas I intend to produce a slanted, double-quoted 
quotation. How can I fix it?


\definedelimitedtext[quotationsl][
  style=slanted,
  left={\symbol[leftquotation]},
  right={\symbol[rightquotation]},
  location=text,
]

\setupdelimitedtext[quotationsl][style=slanted,left={\symbol[leftquotation]},right={\symbol[rightquotation]}]

\starttext
\quotationsl{This should be slanted and double-quoted.}
\stoptext

Best,
Sander Maijers


Looks like a bug.

Modifying the parenthesis example at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdelimitedtext demonstrates 
that when a style other than normal is specified, the left and right 
settings are ignored  and style settings in deeper levels ignored as 
well. (There may be other keys that are ignored as well, and others that 
set this off.) I tried a number of combinations. The following is one 
that shows the problem. Without the style settings, it works as 
described in the wiki.


   \definedelimitedtext[parenthesis][location=text]
   \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left={(}, right={)}]
   \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] [style=slanted, left={[}, right={]}]
   \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] [style=normal, left={\{},
   right={\}}]
   \starttext
   \parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer
   \parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}
   \stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-15 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10/15/2014 4:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2014-10-15 09:06, Sander Maijers wrote:

Hi,

I'm using beta 2014.09.27. The code below produces a slanted, unquoted
quotation, whereas I intend to produce a slanted, double-quoted
quotation. How can I fix it?

\definedelimitedtext[quotationsl][
  style=slanted,
  left={\symbol[leftquotation]},
  right={\symbol[rightquotation]},
  location=text,
]

\setupdelimitedtext[quotationsl][style=slanted,left={\symbol[leftquotation]},right={\symbol[rightquotation]}]

\starttext
\quotationsl{This should be slanted and double-quoted.}
\stoptext

Best,
Sander Maijers


Looks like a bug.


it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv


Modifying the parenthesis example at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdelimitedtext demonstrates
that when a style other than normal is specified, the left and right
settings are ignored  and style settings in deeper levels ignored as
well. (There may be other keys that are ignored as well, and others that
set this off.) I tried a number of combinations. The following is one
that shows the problem. Without the style settings, it works as
described in the wiki.


well, i can do a different check (in next beta) but you deal with 
questions about incompatible behaviour ...



\definedelimitedtext[parenthesis][location=text]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left={(}, right={)}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] [style=slanted, left={[}, right={]}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] [style=normal, left={\{},
right={\}}]
\starttext
\parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer
\parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}
\stoptext


i'll add symstyle/color:

\definedelimitedtext[parenthesis]   [location=text]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left={(}, right={)}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] 
[symcolor=red,symstyle=boldslanted,style=slanted, left={[}, right={]}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] 
[symcolor=blue,symstyle=bold,style=normal, left={\{}, right={\}}]


\starttext
\parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer 
\parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}

\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-15 Thread Rik Kabel

On 2014-10-15 13:38, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 10/15/2014 4:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

On 2014-10-15 09:06, Sander Maijers wrote:

Hi,

I'm using beta 2014.09.27. The code below produces a slanted, unquoted
quotation, whereas I intend to produce a slanted, double-quoted
quotation. How can I fix it?

\definedelimitedtext[quotationsl][
  style=slanted,
  left={\symbol[leftquotation]},
  right={\symbol[rightquotation]},
  location=text,
]

\setupdelimitedtext[quotationsl][style=slanted,left={\symbol[leftquotation]},right={\symbol[rightquotation]}] 



\starttext
\quotationsl{This should be slanted and double-quoted.}
\stoptext

Best,
Sander Maijers


Looks like a bug.


it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv


Modifying the parenthesis example at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdelimitedtext demonstrates
that when a style other than normal is specified, the left and right
settings are ignored  and style settings in deeper levels ignored as
well. (There may be other keys that are ignored as well, and others that
set this off.) I tried a number of combinations. The following is one
that shows the problem. Without the style settings, it works as
described in the wiki.


well, i can do a different check (in next beta) but you deal with 
questions about incompatible behaviour ...



\definedelimitedtext[parenthesis][location=text]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left={(}, right={)}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] [style=slanted, left={[}, 
right={]}]

\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] [style=normal, left={\{},
right={\}}]
\starttext
\parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer
\parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}
\stoptext


i'll add symstyle/color:

\definedelimitedtext[parenthesis]   [location=text]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left={(}, right={)}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] 
[symcolor=red,symstyle=boldslanted,style=slanted, left={[}, right={]}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] 
[symcolor=blue,symstyle=bold,style=normal, left={\{}, right={\}}]


\starttext
\parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer 
\parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}

\stoptext


Hans,

I am not sure I understand the need for symstyle and symcolor. The issue 
is not that the symbols are not styled/colored, but that they do not 
appear at all when a non-normal style is specified. What I see with the 
example I posted is:


and I assume that Sander saw a similar issue.

Note that there are no square brackets present as defined for layer 2.

I realize that style=normal for level 3 should perhaps be style=\tf, 
since normal is redefined to slanted within the scope of layer 2. With 
that change to my example, I get


This still has the lack of square brackets, and now in addition lacks 
curly braces for level 3.


If your fix is meant to repair that, all is well. If not, could you 
explain why “it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv”?


--
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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-15 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 15.10.2014 um 21:03 schrieb Rik Kabel cont...@rik.users.panix.com:

 I am not sure I understand the need for symstyle and symcolor. The issue is 
 not that the symbols are not styled/colored, but that they do not appear at 
 all when a non-normal style is specified. What I see with the example I 
 posted is:
 hacaddjd.png
 and I assume that Sander saw a similar issue.
 
 Note that there are no square brackets present as defined for layer 2.
 
 I realize that style=normal for level 3 should perhaps be style=\tf, since 
 normal is redefined to slanted within the scope of layer 2. With that change 
 to my example, I get
 fageaehi.png
 This still has the lack of square brackets, and now in addition lacks curly 
 braces for level 3.
 
 If your fix is meant to repair that, all is well. If not, could you explain 
 why “it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv”?

When you use “location=text” context checks the value of the style key, when 
the value of the key is “normal”
the left and right arguments are used but when you use a different value (e.g. 
slanted) context applies only
the style and color values.


Another way to create quotation command is to use the annotation module:

\usemodule[annotation]

\defineannotation
  [quotationsl]
  [style=slanted,
   leftsymbol={\symbol[leftquotation]},
   rightsymbol={\symbol[rightquotation]},
   alternative=quotation]

\starttext
\quotationsl{This should be slanted and double-quoted.}
\stoptext


Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Slanted, double-quoted quotations

2014-10-15 Thread Rik

On 2014-10-15 17:06, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Am 15.10.2014 um 21:03 schrieb Rik Kabel cont...@rik.users.panix.com:


I am not sure I understand the need for symstyle and symcolor. The issue is not 
that the symbols are not styled/colored, but that they do not appear at all 
when a non-normal style is specified. What I see with the example I posted is:
hacaddjd.png
and I assume that Sander saw a similar issue.

Note that there are no square brackets present as defined for layer 2.

I realize that style=normal for level 3 should perhaps be style=\tf, since 
normal is redefined to slanted within the scope of layer 2. With that change to 
my example, I get
fageaehi.png
This still has the lack of square brackets, and now in addition lacks curly 
braces for level 3.

If your fix is meant to repair that, all is well. If not, could you explain why 
“it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv”?

When you use “location=text” context checks the value of the style key, when 
the value of the key is “normal”
the left and right arguments are used but when you use a different value (e.g. 
slanted) context applies only
the style and color values.



Thank you, Wolfgang, for that explanation of what is being done.

Can you explain why this is done? It would seem, given the name of the 
command, that the delimiter is more important than the styling, and so I 
suspect that there is some historical reason that this behavior was 
chosen. Styling can be done within the text, as can delimiters, but the 
benefit of the command is that it should be able to manage multiple 
levels automatically.


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