Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
Hi, Am 07.07.2011 um 23:50 schrieb Andreas Schneider: I hope I haven't killed any functionality while toying around and hunting the bug, but at least my Diploma Thesis looks still right when processed with that module. could you provide a (minimal) example that demonstrates the functionality you have intended? Thanks a lot for your efforts, Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
Am 06.07.2011 um 12:47 schrieb Hans Hagen: On 6-7-2011 12:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: as databases usually have *lots* of entries this really is a daring venture :o) skimming through hundreds, thousands of entries, finding those how have exactly 3 authors and stuffing the information from the three \author fields into the one a field! hope that nothing will go wrong ... you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda an even more challenging option, that might need some extra hooks, is the ibid option: an article is cited in a footnote. the macro looks if this article is already cited before. if so it looks if this is exactly the same article as cited directly before. and it makes sure that it is not the first cite on the current page (resp. spread). if all these are true, the \cite command gives an Ibid. instead of the full cite. as this is provided for latex users by Philipp Lehman with his biblatex package, it is considered to be kind of standard by some publisher today. Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
On 07.07.2011 11:25, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Am 06.07.2011 um 12:47 schrieb Hans Hagen: you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda an even more challenging option, that might need some extra hooks, is the ibid option: an article is cited in a footnote. the macro looks if this article is already cited before. if so it looks if this is exactly the same article as cited directly before. and it makes sure that it is not the first cite on the current page (resp. spread). if all these are true, the \cite command gives an Ibid. instead of the full cite. as this is provided for latex users by Philipp Lehman with his biblatex package, it is considered to be kind of standard by some publisher today. Steffen Hi Steffen, I think Andreas Schneider posted a working solution for this some time ago. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100121.112244.d88e2646.en.html But it is possible that this does not work anymore with the current beta (untested). Best regards, Stefan. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
Am 07.07.2011 um 15:18 schrieb Stefan Müller: On 07.07.2011 11:25, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Am 06.07.2011 um 12:47 schrieb Hans Hagen: you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda an even more challenging option, that might need some extra hooks, is the ibid option: an article is cited in a footnote. the macro looks if this article is already cited before. if so it looks if this is exactly the same article as cited directly before. and it makes sure that it is not the first cite on the current page (resp. spread). if all these are true, the \cite command gives an Ibid. instead of the full cite. as this is provided for latex users by Philipp Lehman with his biblatex package, it is considered to be kind of standard by some publisher today. Steffen Hi Steffen, I think Andreas Schneider posted a working solution for this some time ago. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100121.112244.d88e2646.en.html But it is possible that this does not work anymore with the current beta (untested). Best regards, Stefan. Hi Stefan, thanks for the note. Unfortunately Andreas' module doesn't work anymore. I had a correspondence with him on that in April this year: he could reproduce the error, but had no idea what the reason might be, resp. what changes in MkIV now cause a conflict with his module. Maybe Hans knows? Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
On Thursday, July 7, 2011 22:41 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Hi Stefan,
thanks for the note. Unfortunately Andreas' module doesn't work anymore.
I had a correspondence with him on that in April this year:
he could reproduce the error, but had no idea what the reason might be,
resp. what changes in MkIV now cause a conflict with his module.
Maybe Hans knows?
Steffen
After a lot of work with ConTeXt the past few weeks, I had some more
thoughts on possible causes for this problem. I finally found the
culprits:
\expandoneargafter doesn't seem to be around anymore ... it works fine
without, though.
\doifnotempty doesn't quite seem to work (the way I intend it to), so
I replaced them with \doifnot{...}{}{...}
I attached the current module (yes, it's not really a module, but
it's slightly more convenient to use that way ... the whole thing is
nothing more than a workaround anyway).
I hope I haven't killed any functionality while toying around and
hunting the bug, but at least my Diploma Thesis looks still right when
processed with that module.
Since I currently don't use that module actively, I will probably not
enhance or otherwise improve it. So if anyone else feels like
providing a better solution for the Ibidem-problem: please do!
--
Best Regards,
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\def\defaultciterepeat{Ebenda}
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\def\defaultcitepage{S. }
\def\defaultcitechapter{Kap. }
\def\domycite[#1][#2]{%
\ifsecondargument%
\getparameters[MCP][prefix={\defaultciteprefix},page=,chapter=,suffix=,repeat=,#2]%
\doinsertmycite[#1]{\MCPprefix}{%
\doifnot{\MCPpage}{}{\ \defaultcitepage\MCPpage.}%
\doifnot{\MCPchapter}{}{\ \defaultcitechapter\MCPchapter.}%
\doifnot{\MCPsuffix}{}{\ \MCPsuffix}%
}%
\else%
\doinsertmycite[#1]{\defaultciteprefix}{}%
\fi%
}
\def\doinsertmycite[#1]#2#3{%
\footnote{%
\doifelse{\MCPrepeat}{yes}{\global\setvalue{mycitelast}{#1}}{\doif{\MCPrepeat}{no}{\global\setvalue{mycitelast}{}}}%
#2\doifnot{#2}{}{\strut}%prefix
\doifelse{\getvalue{mycitelast}}{#1}%
{\doifelse{#2}{}%
{\defaultciterepeat}%
{\lowercase{\defaultciterepeat}}%If there's a prefix, lower-case the cite-repeat string
.%
}%
{\doifelse{\getvalue{mycitepast #1}}{used}%
{\bgroup%
\getcitedata[title][#1] to \bibtitle%
\getcitedata[arttitle][#1] to \bibarttitle%
\cite[alternative=authoryear][#1]. {\it\bibtitle\bibarttitle}.%
\egroup}%
{\cite[alternative=data][#1]}%
}%
#3%suffix
\global\setvalue{mycitelast}{#1}%
\global\setvalue{mycitepast #1}{used}%
}%
}
%Reset last citation on page break (which we check when placing footnotes)
\appendtoks
\doifnoteonsamepageelse[footnote]{}{\global\setvalue{mycitelast}{}}
\to\everyinsidenoteinsert
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[NTG-context] bib module (again)
Hi,
I have a basic problem with the very first step of using bibliographies in
ConTeXt: converting BBI to BBL files.
And, as far as I have understood, the only thing that .bst files do is
sorting. This means that a plain run of bibtex like this ...
\setupbibtex[database=mytry_x.bib]
\starttext
Test
\completepublications
\stoptext
... should convert the entire database (eg. from a .bib file) in TeX-parsable
records, written in a .bbl file.
If I want to shorten many authors to just one followed by et al. there is the
otion authoretallimit that specifies the number needed to trigger 'et al.'
handling.
This can be set *later* in setuppublicationlist.
But when I run the minimal exmaple above against this database mytry_x.bib:
@BOOK{daunerliebkonzenschmidt,
author = {Peter Schlechtriem and Horst Konzen},
}
@BOOK{schlechtriemschmidtkessel,
author = {Peter Schlechtriem and Horst Konzen and Karsten Schmidt},
}
... the resulting bbl lookes like this:
\setuppublicationlist[samplesize={SKS},totalnumber=2]
\startpublication[k=daunerliebkonzenschmidt,t=book,
a={{Schlechtriem},{Konzen}},y=,
n=1,s=SK]
\author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem}
\author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen}
\stoppublication
\startpublication[k=schlechtriemschmidtkessel,t=book,
a={{Schlechtriem},{}},y=,
n=2,s=SKS]
\author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem}
\author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen}
\author[]{Karsten}[K.]{}{Schmidt}
\stoppublication
So the three authors *are* already shortened to a={{Schlechtriem},{}} only!
Is this a bug or a hidden preset that I just didn't found yet?
Any help would be appreciated
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
Hi,
On 07/06/11 11:00, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
So the three authors *are* already shortened to a={{Schlechtriem},{}} only!
This is a limitation of both the bst and the macros, you cannot have
... as explained in AuthorA, AuthorB and AuthorC (1990).
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
Am 06.07.2011 um 11:19 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
Hi,
On 07/06/11 11:00, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
So the three authors *are* already shortened to a={{Schlechtriem},{}} only!
This is a limitation of both the bst and the macros, you cannot have
... as explained in AuthorA, AuthorB and AuthorC (1990).
What is required is
... as explained in AuthorA/AuthorB/AuthorC (1990).
[Is is required not until *four* authors to set an authoretallimit like
... as explained in AuthorX et al. (1991)]
Where/how can the current limitation be changed?
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
On 07/06/11 11:38, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
What is required is
... as explained in AuthorA/AuthorB/AuthorC (1990).
[Is is required not until *four* authors to set an authoretallimit like
... as explained in AuthorX et al. (1991)]
Where/how can the current limitation be changed?
I have long since forgotten how to write bst files, and (more
worryingly) I have no idea how to change the mkiv bib 'macros',
so my proposal (especially since you want odd separators as well)
would is: fix the bbl manually so that it looks like this:
\startpublication[k=schlechtriemschmidtkessel,t=book,
a={{Schlechtriem/Konzen/Schmidt}},y=,
n=2,s=SKS]
\author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem}
\author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen}
\author[]{Karsten}[K.]{}{Schmidt}
\stoppublication
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Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
Am 06.07.2011 um 11:47 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
On 07/06/11 11:38, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
What is required is
... as explained in AuthorA/AuthorB/AuthorC (1990).
[Is is required not until *four* authors to set an authoretallimit like
... as explained in AuthorX et al. (1991)]
Where/how can the current limitation be changed?
I have long since forgotten how to write bst files, and (more
worryingly) I have no idea how to change the mkiv bib 'macros',
so my proposal (especially since you want odd separators as well)
would is: fix the bbl manually so that it looks like this:
\startpublication[k=schlechtriemschmidtkessel,t=book,
a={{Schlechtriem/Konzen/Schmidt}},y=,
n=2,s=SKS]
\author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem}
\author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen}
\author[]{Karsten}[K.]{}{Schmidt}
\stoppublication
as databases usually have *lots* of entries this really is a daring venture :o)
skimming through hundreds, thousands of entries,
finding those how have exactly 3 authors
and stuffing the information from the three \author fields into the one a
field!
hope that nothing will go wrong ...
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] bib module (again)
On 6-7-2011 12:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: as databases usually have *lots* of entries this really is a daring venture :o) skimming through hundreds, thousands of entries, finding those how have exactly 3 authors and stuffing the information from the three \author fields into the one a field! hope that nothing will go wrong ... you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
