Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-14 Thread Hans Hagen
On 14-6-2010 3:21, Michael Saunders wrote: OpenType (just ignore file extension for the moment) is a rather dump standard in the sense that it requires the engine to have some knowledge about the writing system at hand. So, what we have here is that ConTeXt has no special knowledge about

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 11-6-2010 9:14, Michael Saunders wrote: My first experiments aren't going well. For example: using the free font, BNBDOT0N.ttf, from Deutsche Welle here: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3219221,00.html next time make a simple example .. you caniidentity features with mtxrun

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Saunders
next time make a simple example .. you caniidentity features with mtxrun --script font --info --list --file BNBDOT0N.ttf anyhow, only one features is applied. It lookslike some gpos feature is not used. \usemodule[fnt-20] \definefontfeature  [indic]  [mode=node,analyze=yes,  

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-6-2010 6:58, Michael Saunders wrote: next time make a simple example .. you caniidentity features with mtxrun --script font --info --list --file BNBDOT0N.ttf anyhow, only one features is applied. It lookslike some gpos feature is not used. \usemodule[fnt-20] \definefontfeature

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 09:07:55PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: As Khaled mentioned ... are these proper otf fonts or do they rely on specific features in the microsoft engine? Most opentype features are quite generic and should work ok but if something special is needed more info is needed.

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:15:35PM +0300, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 09:07:55PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: As Khaled mentioned ... are these proper otf fonts or do they rely on specific features in the microsoft engine? Most opentype features are quite generic and should

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:19:50PM +0300, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:15:35PM +0300, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 09:07:55PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: As Khaled mentioned ... are these proper otf fonts or do they rely on specific features in the microsoft

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Saunders
As Khaled mentioned ... are these proper otf fonts or do they rely on specific features in the microsoft engine? They all carry the .ttf extender. Arial Unicode MS is clearly True Type. I've seen some of the free fonts widely described as Open Type, but they are all amateur products---maybe

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-6-2010 9:15, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 09:07:55PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: As Khaled mentioned ... are these proper otf fonts or do they rely on specific features in the microsoft engine? Most opentype features are quite generic and should work ok but if something

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 02:29:40PM -0500, Michael Saunders wrote: As Khaled mentioned ... are these proper otf fonts or do they rely on specific features in the microsoft engine? They all carry the .ttf extender. Arial Unicode MS is clearly True Type. I've seen some of the free fonts

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 13-6-2010 9:50, Khaled Hosny wrote: So, what we have here is that ConTeXt has no special knowledge about Indic scripts, and thus it will not apply the feature properly according the linguistic rules. So, instead of waiting for a more modern font to come along (which unlikely to happen any

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
Hi, On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:41:38 -0600, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: the interesting question then is .. where does one draw the line between engine and clever fonts contextual analysis in Arabic provides an example: init, medi, and fina provide the gsub's, the engine has to know the

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Saunders
OpenType (just ignore file extension for the moment) is a rather dump standard in the sense that it requires the engine to have some knowledge about the writing system at hand. ... So, what we have here is that ConTeXt has no special knowledge about Indic scripts, and thus it will not apply

[NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-11 Thread Michael Saunders
My first experiments aren't going well. For example: using the free font, BNBDOT0N.ttf, from Deutsche Welle here: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3219221,00.html and the following typescript, type-bidisha.tex: \starttypescript [serif] [dwbangla]

Re: [NTG-context] can Context render complex scripts?

2010-06-11 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 02:14:12AM -0500, Michael Saunders wrote: My first experiments aren't going well. For example: AFAIK, there no Indic specific support yet, Hans will probably need more information about Indic shaping, some test files, the expected output etc. Also, AFAIK, Indic support