Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-20 Thread Akira Kakuto

mtxrun --launch context-todo.pdf


Thanks a lot.  mtxrun --launch i-context.pdf worked fine.

Best,
Akira

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange
Wolfgang,
Thank you very much for this information.
JP

- Mail original -
De: "Wolfgang Schuster" <schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Jeudi 19 Mai 2016 23:09:49
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable







Jean-Pierre Delange 
19. Mai 2016 um 21:59 

Hi fellows ConTeXt users, 

I think the issue comes from Mac OS X PDF reader installation. On Windows, one 
can pass the following command: 
context --extra=setups --overview cont-en.xml which print a PDF file (ConTeXt 
Extra) very searchable. 
cont-en.xml is the old reference file (which still exists because it is used in 
manuals), the updated list is in i-context.xml and all sub files (i-xxx.xml). 

Wolfgang 

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange
Hi HansvanderMeer,

I'll try sooner as possible to test these PDF on my virtual OS X Mavericks. 
Some tricks about mtxrun and lua are explained by Hans Hagen in a xml/pdf file 
doc entitled luatools/mtxrun/context dated May 12, 2016 : tools-mkiv.pdf
JP

- Mail original -
De: "Hans van der Meer" <h.vanderm...@uva.nl>
À: "NTG ConTeXt" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Vendredi 20 Mai 2016 09:10:15
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

Remembered that Hans Hagen recently told me (and Jean-Pierre reminded me of 
this) that the document can be generated with:
   context --extra=setups --overview i-context.xml
I did this and the resultant document now has in the document properties:
  PDF Producer: LuaTeX-0.95.0
  PDF Version : 1.7 (Acrobat 8.x)
This document is searchable indeed, both in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and in 
Apple's Preview.
Conclusion: the problem must be --at least on my perfectly normal straight 
out-of-the-box MacOSX-- located in the producer "Mac OSX (version) Quartz 
PDFContext". Why? About that I am in the dark.

> On 19 May 2016, at 23:09, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Jean-Pierre Delange 19. Mai 2016 um 21:59
>> Hi fellows ConTeXt users,
>> 
>> I think the issue comes from Mac OS X PDF reader installation. On Windows, 
>> one can pass the following command:
>> context --extra=setups --overview cont-en.xml which print a PDF file 
>> (ConTeXt Extra) very searchable.
> cont-en.xml is the old reference file (which still exists because it is used 
> in manuals), the updated list is in i-context.xml and all sub files 
> (i-xxx.xml).

Hans van der Meer




___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-20 Thread Hans Hagen

On 5/20/2016 5:14 AM, Akira Kakuto wrote:

It will be convenient for TeX Live users if i-context.pdf is copied like
$TEXMF/doc/context/documents/general/commands/i-context.pdf

Then one can read it by
texdoc i-context.pdf


mtxrun --launch context-todo.pdf

-
  Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
  Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
  tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl
-
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-20 Thread Meer, Hans van der
Remembered that Hans Hagen recently told me (and Jean-Pierre reminded me of 
this) that the document can be generated with:
   context --extra=setups --overview i-context.xml
I did this and the resultant document now has in the document properties:
  PDF Producer: LuaTeX-0.95.0
  PDF Version : 1.7 (Acrobat 8.x)
This document is searchable indeed, both in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and in 
Apple's Preview.
Conclusion: the problem must be --at least on my perfectly normal straight 
out-of-the-box MacOSX-- located in the producer "Mac OSX (version) Quartz 
PDFContext". Why? About that I am in the dark.

> On 19 May 2016, at 23:09, Wolfgang Schuster  
> wrote:
> 
>> Jean-Pierre Delange 19. Mai 2016 um 21:59
>> Hi fellows ConTeXt users,
>> 
>> I think the issue comes from Mac OS X PDF reader installation. On Windows, 
>> one can pass the following command:
>> context --extra=setups --overview cont-en.xml which print a PDF file 
>> (ConTeXt Extra) very searchable.
> cont-en.xml is the old reference file (which still exists because it is used 
> in manuals), the updated list is in i-context.xml and all sub files 
> (i-xxx.xml).

Hans van der Meer




___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-20 Thread Hans Åberg

> On 19 May 2016, at 18:49, Meer, Hans van der  wrote:
> 
> Checked again also on a MacBook, definitely not searchable here.
> I am running El Capitan, and the command reference version is the one from 
> May 17, 2016, found in one of the latest contextbeta distributions.

You probably need to detail what you try to do. I just plugged into some things 
into the Preview search bar and got hits.


___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

[NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Akira Kakuto

It will be convenient for TeX Live users if i-context.pdf is copied like
$TEXMF/doc/context/documents/general/commands/i-context.pdf

Then one can read it by
texdoc i-context.pdf

Best,
Akira

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Jean-Pierre Delange 
19. Mai 2016 um 21:59
Hi fellows ConTeXt users,

I think the issue comes from Mac OS X PDF reader installation. On 
Windows, one can pass the following command:
context --extra=setups --overview cont-en.xml which print a PDF file 
(ConTeXt Extra) very searchable.
cont-en.xml is the old reference file (which still exists because it is 
used in manuals), the updated list is in i-context.xml and all sub files 
(i-xxx.xml).


Wolfgang
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Mohammad Hossein Bateni
It is searchable on my El Capitan laptop here.  I used the file in the
directory and did not run context to generate it if that's what you did.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange <adeiman...@free.fr>
wrote:

> Hi fellows ConTeXt users,
>
> I think the issue comes from Mac OS X PDF reader installation. On Windows,
> one can pass the following command:
> context --extra=setups --overview cont-en.xml which print a PDF file
> (ConTeXt Extra) very searchable. I didn't try to go further with others xml
> files which source are here :
>
> http://source.contextgarden.net/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun?search=from
> JP
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Hans van der Meer" <h.vanderm...@uva.nl>
> À: "NTG ConTeXt" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Envoyé: Jeudi 19 Mai 2016 17:00:06
> Objet: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable
>
> The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but that
> document is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe Reader. Files
> luatex.pdf, xml-mkiv.pdf for example are searchable. It would be nice if
> the command reference can be searched too, because for now looking up a
> command needs a lot of page skipping. Can this be done? I would very much
> appreciate it.
>
> Hans van der Meer
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to
> the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
> archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
>
> ___
>
> ___
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to
> the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
> archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
>
> ___
>
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange
Hi fellows ConTeXt users,

I think the issue comes from Mac OS X PDF reader installation. On Windows, one 
can pass the following command:
context --extra=setups --overview cont-en.xml which print a PDF file (ConTeXt 
Extra) very searchable. I didn't try to go further with others xml files which 
source are here :
http://source.contextgarden.net/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun?search=from
JP

- Mail original -
De: "Hans van der Meer" <h.vanderm...@uva.nl>
À: "NTG ConTeXt" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Jeudi 19 Mai 2016 17:00:06
Objet: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but that document 
is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe Reader. Files luatex.pdf, 
xml-mkiv.pdf for example are searchable. It would be nice if the command 
reference can be searched too, because for now looking up a command needs a lot 
of page skipping. Can this be done? I would very much appreciate it.

Hans van der Meer




___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Meer, Hans van der
Very weird. I haven't the faintest idea why this pdf is not searchable and 
similar ones in the same folder do. 
Checked the permissions but they are the same.
However, I have another document that cannot be searched, the context reference 
manual from 2013 and there seems to be a difference between these two and the 
others.
Those I cannot search have in their properties as PDF producer "Mac OSX 
(version) Quartz PDFContext" (older pdf versions 1.3 and 1.4), the others have 
Luatex as producer (pdf version 1.7).
Therefore, I strongly suspect that the Quartz producer is the culprit, weird as 
it may be.
Is it possible to produce the command reference with Luatex as producer 
excluding the Mac Quartz producer?
It is the only difference I am aware of that matches the behaviour.

> On 19 May 2016, at 19:08, Alan BRASLAU  wrote:
> 
> I can search this document using any and all pdf tools to which I have
> access on my system.
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:49:31 +
> "Meer, Hans van der"  wrote:
> 
>> Checked again also on a MacBook, definitely not searchable here.
>> I am running El Capitan, and the command reference version is the one
>> from May 17, 2016, found in one of the latest contextbeta
>> distributions.
>> 
>>> On 19 May 2016, at 18:02, Hans Åberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On 19 May 2016, at 17:00, Meer, Hans van der 
 wrote:
 
 The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but
 that document is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe
 Reader.   
>>> 
>>> Searches work for me in Preview.
> 

Hans van der Meer




___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Hans Åberg

> On 19 May 2016, at 18:49, Meer, Hans van der  wrote:
> 
> Checked again also on a MacBook, definitely not searchable here.
> I am running El Capitan, and the command reference version is the one from 
> May 17, 2016, found in one of the latest contextbeta distributions.

You probably need to detail what you try to do. I just plugged into some things 
into the Preview search bar and got hits.


___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Alan BRASLAU
I can search this document using any and all pdf tools to which I have
access on my system.

Alan

On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:49:31 +
"Meer, Hans van der"  wrote:

> Checked again also on a MacBook, definitely not searchable here.
> I am running El Capitan, and the command reference version is the one
> from May 17, 2016, found in one of the latest contextbeta
> distributions.
> 
> > On 19 May 2016, at 18:02, Hans Åberg  wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> On 19 May 2016, at 17:00, Meer, Hans van der 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but
> >> that document is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe
> >> Reader.   
> > 
> > Searches work for me in Preview.

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On 05/19/2016 06:49 PM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:

Checked again also on a MacBook, definitely not searchable here.


Searchable on linux in okular (kde).

Thomas
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Meer, Hans van der
Checked again also on a MacBook, definitely not searchable here.
I am running El Capitan, and the command reference version is the one from May 
17, 2016, found in one of the latest contextbeta distributions.

> On 19 May 2016, at 18:02, Hans Åberg  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 19 May 2016, at 17:00, Meer, Hans van der  wrote:
>> 
>> The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but that 
>> document is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe Reader. 
> 
> Searches work for me in Preview.
> 


Hans van der Meer




___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Hans Åberg

> On 19 May 2016, at 17:00, Meer, Hans van der  wrote:
> 
> The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but that 
> document is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe Reader. 

Searches work for me in Preview.


___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

[NTG-context] command reference not searchable

2016-05-19 Thread Meer, Hans van der
The command reference in file i-context.pdf is highly useful, but that document 
is not searchable, neither with Preview nor Adobe Reader. Files luatex.pdf, 
xml-mkiv.pdf for example are searchable. It would be nice if the command 
reference can be searched too, because for now looking up a command needs a lot 
of page skipping. Can this be done? I would very much appreciate it.

Hans van der Meer




___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference (was: upto current)

2013-03-25 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Peter, All,

Sorry for the late reply.

As such looks good!

I have no preferences, as to the formats, that is something
the community or those involved should decide.

regards
Keith.
  
Am 22.03.2013 um 09:26 schrieb Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr:

 Hi Keith,
 
 What about one lua table per command?
 See also:
 - http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/
 - http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context.devel/1507
 - https://foundry.supelec.fr/scm/viewvc.php/context-commands/?root=contextman
 

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] command reference (was: upto current)

2013-03-25 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All,

I agree that for the command reference should be fairly output format free,
but we have to keep in mind we will need a unified look for:
1) Wiki
2) PDFs

Also, we should not forget that we need examples with explanations.

regards
Keith.

Am 22.03.2013 um 17:07 schrieb Sietse Brouwer sbbrou...@gmail.com:

 Peter wrote:
 What about one lua table per command?
 See also:
 - http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/
 
 NB1: I waffled a lot about wiki templates in the previous e-mail, but
 of course it is also an option to use the Lua tables format and store
 those files on the wiki. That gives us the visibility and editability
 of the wiki without binding us to the wiki template format.

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] command reference

2013-03-24 Thread Sietse Brouwer
Sietse wrote:
 NB1: I waffled a lot about wiki templates in the previous e-mail, but
 of course it is also an option to use the Lua tables format and store
 those files on the wiki. That gives us the visibility and editability
 of the wiki without binding us to the wiki template format.

Hans wrote:
 isn't wikimedia lua aware nowadays?

Hah, so it is — I didn't know that. That sounds like it might be an
ideal fit at least for displaying the command reference, possibly also
for storing its info. In case anyone else is curious: here are some
useful pages I found. (The information was a bit scattered sometimes,
but this set of pages covers most bases.)

--Sietse

Wikipedia's main page on the Lua extension:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lua

Good example template:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:BananasArgs

The reference manual:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3AScribunto/Lua_reference_manual

The extension's page:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto

Some discussion on using Lua databases:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066656.html
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

[NTG-context] command reference (was: upto current)

2013-03-22 Thread Peter Münster
Hi Keith,

What about one lua table per command?
See also:
- http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/
- http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context.devel/1507
- https://foundry.supelec.fr/scm/viewvc.php/context-commands/?root=contextman

-- 
   Peter
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] command reference (was: upto current)

2013-03-22 Thread Procházka Lukáš Ing . - Pontex s . r . o .

Hello,

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:26:20 +0100, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote:


Hi Keith,

What about one lua table per command?
See also:
- http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/


this looks nice.

Some connection to wiki would be useful, too - once a command definition is 
prepared for PDF manual, it would be good to have a generator which would 
convert and add info to wiki.

I don't know whether it is possible; and I'm aware that much efforts of many 
contributors were passed to wiki...

But I'm thinking about how to avoid doubling documentation work
(not: wiki - PDF - whatever, but: something (be it Lua) - {PDF, wiki, 
whatever}).

Best regards,

Lukas



- http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context.devel/1507
- https://foundry.supelec.fr/scm/viewvc.php/context-commands/?root=contextman




--
Ing. Lukáš Procházka [mailto:l...@pontex.cz]
Pontex s. r. o.  [mailto:pon...@pontex.cz] [http://www.pontex.cz]
Bezová 1658
147 14 Praha 4

Tel: +420 244 062 238
Fax: +420 244 461 038

___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] command reference

2013-03-22 Thread Peter Münster
On Fri, Mar 22 2013, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:

 Some connection to wiki would be useful, too - once a command definition is
 prepared for PDF manual, it would be good to have a generator which would
 convert and add info to wiki.

Exporting to whatever format you want should be no problem with lua.


 But I'm thinking about how to avoid doubling documentation work
 (not: wiki - PDF - whatever, but: something (be it Lua) - {PDF, wiki, 
 whatever}).

Yes!

-- 
   Peter
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference

2013-03-22 Thread Hans Hagen

On 3/22/2013 11:11 AM, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:

Hello,

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:26:20 +0100, Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr wrote:


Hi Keith,

What about one lua table per command?
See also:
-
http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/



this looks nice.

Some connection to wiki would be useful, too - once a command definition
is prepared for PDF manual, it would be good to have a generator which
would convert and add info to wiki.

I don't know whether it is possible; and I'm aware that much efforts of
many contributors were passed to wiki...

But I'm thinking about how to avoid doubling documentation work
(not: wiki - PDF - whatever, but: something (be it Lua) - {PDF,
wiki, whatever}).


Wolfgang has redone many of the xml defs (not yet finished afaik). 
anyway, as long as I can construct a cont-en.xml file from whatever 
data it's fine for me (manipulating and filtering xml is rather 
convenient.)


Makes me wonder ... did anyone ever look into

http://sputnik.freewisdom.org/en/Lua

it stores info in lua and it could probably be used for managing such a 
reference beast.


Hans

-
  Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
  Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
 | www.pragma-pod.nl
-
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___


Re: [NTG-context] command reference (was: upto current)

2013-03-22 Thread Sietse Brouwer
Hi all,

Peter wrote:
 What about one lua table per command?
 See also:
 - http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/

Lukáš wrote:
 Some connection to wiki would be useful, too - once a command
 definition is prepared for PDF manual, it would be good to have
 a generator which would convert and add info to wiki.

 But I'm thinking about how to avoid doubling documentation work
 (not: wiki - PDF - whatever, but: something (be it Lua) - {PDF, wiki,
 whatever}).

Hello all,

As regards the question 'where/how to store a the master information
of the command reference'; I' been thinking on that for a while, and I
believe on the wiki / in structured wiki templates is the best
answer.

This is not because the wiki syntax is so nice -- as far as that goes,
Lua is nicer. But: the wiki is massively more visible than any file or
directory in the standalone could ever be.

These are advantages the wiki copy has over other copies:

A. It is the most visible copy
B. It is the easiest copy for people to edit
C. It has versioning and contributor-tracking built-in
D. The wiki will always receive contributions. If it is also the
master copy, we don't have to backmerge the contributions into some
other file.
E. The wiki updates immediately when people edit it.
F. There exists a form-based editor for wiki pages, to ensure people
use the template. Example:
http://discoursedb.org/w/index.php?title=Picture_IDs_are_perfectly_sensibleaction=formedit
G. There exists an extension to mark versions as 'reviewed'.

Now, creating a suitable template is core to this plan. Since that is
(1) a rather tricky problem, (2) one that I want to solve anyway
(because even if we go Lua-based, we still want a wiki template to
write to), I will open a separate e-mail thread on the subject.

== How to make sure people use the template? ==

The Semantic Forms extension means that with one click of the button,
you are taken to a semantic form to create or edit (part of) a command
page. You fill in the fields; the extension enters the field values
into the proper bits of the template. You can add descriptions of what
to write in the field.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms
Example of how such a form will look:
http://discoursedb.org/w/index.php?title=Picture_IDs_are_perfectly_sensibleaction=formedit


== How do we know we can trust wiki edits? ==

For that, there is the MediaWiki extension Flagged Revisions, to mark
versions as approved. It is used by wikibooks, inter alia.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs

Cheers,

Sietse
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference (was: upto current)

2013-03-22 Thread Sietse Brouwer
 Peter wrote:
 What about one lua table per command?
 See also:
 - http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/

NB1: I waffled a lot about wiki templates in the previous e-mail, but
of course it is also an option to use the Lua tables format and store
those files on the wiki. That gives us the visibility and editability
of the wiki without binding us to the wiki template format.

--Sietse

On 22 March 2013 15:42, Sietse Brouwer sbbrou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 Peter wrote:
 What about one lua table per command?
 See also:
 - http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/

 Lukáš wrote:
 Some connection to wiki would be useful, too - once a command
 definition is prepared for PDF manual, it would be good to have
 a generator which would convert and add info to wiki.

 But I'm thinking about how to avoid doubling documentation work
 (not: wiki - PDF - whatever, but: something (be it Lua) - {PDF, wiki,
 whatever}).

 Hello all,

 As regards the question 'where/how to store a the master information
 of the command reference'; I' been thinking on that for a while, and I
 believe on the wiki / in structured wiki templates is the best
 answer.

 This is not because the wiki syntax is so nice -- as far as that goes,
 Lua is nicer. But: the wiki is massively more visible than any file or
 directory in the standalone could ever be.

 These are advantages the wiki copy has over other copies:

 A. It is the most visible copy
 B. It is the easiest copy for people to edit
 C. It has versioning and contributor-tracking built-in
 D. The wiki will always receive contributions. If it is also the
 master copy, we don't have to backmerge the contributions into some
 other file.
 E. The wiki updates immediately when people edit it.
 F. There exists a form-based editor for wiki pages, to ensure people
 use the template. Example:
 http://discoursedb.org/w/index.php?title=Picture_IDs_are_perfectly_sensibleaction=formedit
 G. There exists an extension to mark versions as 'reviewed'.

 Now, creating a suitable template is core to this plan. Since that is
 (1) a rather tricky problem, (2) one that I want to solve anyway
 (because even if we go Lua-based, we still want a wiki template to
 write to), I will open a separate e-mail thread on the subject.

 == How to make sure people use the template? ==

 The Semantic Forms extension means that with one click of the button,
 you are taken to a semantic form to create or edit (part of) a command
 page. You fill in the fields; the extension enters the field values
 into the proper bits of the template. You can add descriptions of what
 to write in the field.

 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms
 Example of how such a form will look:
 http://discoursedb.org/w/index.php?title=Picture_IDs_are_perfectly_sensibleaction=formedit


 == How do we know we can trust wiki edits? ==

 For that, there is the MediaWiki extension Flagged Revisions, to mark
 versions as approved. It is used by wikibooks, inter alia.
 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs

 Cheers,

 Sietse
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___

Re: [NTG-context] command reference

2013-03-22 Thread Hans Hagen

On 3/22/2013 5:07 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote:

Peter wrote:

What about one lua table per command?
See also:
- http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2010/talks/2010-09-14-peter-referencelua/


NB1: I waffled a lot about wiki templates in the previous e-mail, but
of course it is also an option to use the Lua tables format and store
those files on the wiki. That gives us the visibility and editability
of the wiki without binding us to the wiki template format.


isn't wikimedia lua aware nowadays?

Hans


-
  Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
  Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
 | www.pragma-pod.nl
-
___
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the 
Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki : http://contextgarden.net
___