[NTG-context] Korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread neva park
Hi

I don,t koow how to Korean unfonts error massage

help

 

===

\setscript[hangul]

\setupbodyfont[unfonts]

 

\starttext

한글

\stoptext

 

 

Result is

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context --autopdf default.tex

mtx-context | run 1: luatex --fmt=C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-
cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luatex/cont-en --
jobname=default --lua=C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-
cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luatex/cont-en.lui -
-no-parse-first-line --c:autopdf --c:currentrun=1 --
c:fulljobname=./default.tex --c:input=./default.tex --c:kindofrun=1 --
c:maxnofruns=8 cont-yes.mkiv

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.79.1 (TeX Live 2014/W32TeX) (rev 5064) 

 \write18 enabled.

open source  1  1  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/cont-yes.mkiv

 

ConTeXt  ver: 2014.10.19 21:08 MKIV beta  fmt: 2014.10.20  int:
english/english

 

system   'cont-new.mkiv' loaded

open source  2  2  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv

close source 2  2  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv

system   files  jobname 'default', input './default', result
'default'

fontslatin modern fonts are not preloaded

languageslanguage 'en' is active

open source  2  3  C:/Users/A8526/Desktop/default.tex

open source  3  4  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-unfonts.mkiv

open source  4  5  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv

close source 4  5  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv

open source  4  6  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-xits.mkiv

open source  5  7  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv

close source 5  7  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv

close source 4  7  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-xits.mkiv

close source 3  7  C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-
context/tex/context/base/type-imp-unfonts.mkiv



 

fontsnames  globbing path 'c:/windows/fonts/**.ttf'

fontsnames  identifying system font files with suffix 'TTF'

mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1Exit code: 1

 

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[NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Akira Kakuto

hi
below is error message
But i don,t know  how
korean unfonts is default in ConTeXt system i know
help


The example worked on my windows.
However, after removing all cache files,
I can confirm the crash.

Best,
Akira

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Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10/23/2014 12:21 PM, Akira Kakuto wrote:

hi
below is error message
But i don,t know  how
korean unfonts is default in ConTeXt system i know
help


The example worked on my windows.
However, after removing all cache files,
I can confirm the crash.


Can you run with --trackers=* 

mtxrun --script font --reload --force --trackers=*

and see at what font it aborts? it must be some specific font issue. It 
runs ok here.


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Akira Kakuto

Hi Hans,


mtxrun --script font --reload --force --trackers=*

and see at what font it aborts?


Thanks a lot.
Interestingly the command ran without abort, and
names.tma and names.tmc are successfully created.
After the creation of names.tma and names.tmc, the
example by NY Park works fine again.

Best,
Akira

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Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Jeong Dal


 fontsnames  globbing path 'c:/windows/fonts/**.ttf'
 
 fontsnames  identifying system font files with suffix 'TTF'
 
 mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1Exit code: 1
 

It seems to me that there is a problem to make a font db.
Try “mtxrun unbatang.ttf” in the terminal to see if it locates the unbatang.ttf 
file.
If it doesn’t locate it, then 
“sudo mtxrun —generate” in the terminal and try “mtxrun unbatang.ttf” once more.
If you don’t get any output, you need to create the font db.

Because of some Korean fonts in the system font files(Window system), it can 
not create font db.
It is reported in the QA in KTUG with the solution.
Please search using the key word “LuaLaTeX”.

http://www.ktug.org/xe/index.php?_filter=searchmid=KTUG_QnA_boardsearch_target=contentsearch_keyword=lualatexdocument_srl=178432

I hope that you have the solution.

Best regards,

Dalyoung

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Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10/23/2014 2:16 PM, Akira Kakuto wrote:

Hi Hans,


mtxrun --script font --reload --force --trackers=*

and see at what font it aborts?


Thanks a lot.
Interestingly the command ran without abort, and
names.tma and names.tmc are successfully created.
After the creation of names.tma and names.tmc, the
example by NY Park works fine again.


normally context will do a quick scan for changes while the mtxrun 
--script font --force variant does a full scan ... maybe there was 
indeed some issue with a font


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10/23/2014 2:30 PM, Jeong Dal wrote:




fontsnames  globbing path 'c:/windows/fonts/**.ttf'

fontsnames  identifying system font files with suffix 'TTF'

mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1Exit code: 1



It seems to me that there is a problem to make a font db.
Try “mtxrun unbatang.ttf” in the terminal to see if it locates the unbatang.ttf 
file.
If it doesn’t locate it, then
“sudo mtxrun —generate” in the terminal and try “mtxrun unbatang.ttf” once more.
If you don’t get any output, you need to create the font db.

Because of some Korean fonts in the system font files(Window system), it can 
not create font db.
It is reported in the QA in KTUG with the solution.
Please search using the key word “LuaLaTeX”.

http://www.ktug.org/xe/index.php?_filter=searchmid=KTUG_QnA_boardsearch_target=contentsearch_keyword=lualatexdocument_srl=178432

I hope that you have the solution.


not for latex ... afaik it uses its own font database

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-23 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Hans,

 
 http://www.ktug.org/xe/index.php?_filter=searchmid=KTUG_QnA_boardsearch_target=contentsearch_keyword=lualatexdocument_srl=178432
 
 I hope that you have the solution.
 
 not for latex … afaik it uses its own font database
 
Yes, the above solution is not for latex but for Lualatex.
One of my colleague who try to run Lualatex(TeXlive 2013 in the window 7) first 
time had a similar problem. After removing Korean fonts like penhl.ttf, 
taenmr.ttf from the system font file directories, she can run Lualatex.  
Someone registered those files in the blacklist which LuaTeX referred to when 
it scans fonts, and succeed to make font db.

Anyway, it is not the ConTeXt problem. It is because of the problematic fonts.

Thank you for your concern.
Best regards,

Dalyoung

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[NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-22 Thread NY Park
hi
blow is error message
But i don,t know  how
korean unfonts is default in ConTeXt system i know
help
 
thanks
 
sample
=
\setscript[hangul]
\setupbodyfont[unfonts]
\starttext 
한글(Korean) 
\stoptext 
=
 
result
=
gt;context --autopdf default.tex
 
mtx-context | run 1: luatex 
--fmt=C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luatex/cont-en
 --jobname=default 
--lua=C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luatex/cont-en.lui
 --no-parse-first-line --c:autopdf --c:currentrun=1 
--c:fulljobname=./default.tex --c:input=./default.tex --c:kindofrun=1 
--c:maxnofruns=8 cont-yes.mkiv
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.79.1 (TeX Live 2014/W32TeX) (rev 5064) 
 \write18 enabled.
open source gt; 1 gt; 1 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-yes.mkiv
 
ConTeXt  ver: 2014.10.19 21:08 MKIV beta  fmt: 2014.10.20  int: english/english
 
system  gt; 'cont-new.mkiv' loaded
open source gt; 2 gt; 2 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv
close sourcegt; 2 gt; 2 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv
system  gt; files gt; jobname 'default', input './default', result 
'default'
fonts   gt; latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages   gt; language 'en' is active
open source gt; 2 gt; 3 gt; C:/Users/A8526/Desktop/default.tex
open source gt; 3 gt; 4 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-unfonts.mkiv
open source gt; 4 gt; 5 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv
close sourcegt; 4 gt; 5 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv
open source gt; 4 gt; 6 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-xits.mkiv
open source gt; 5 gt; 7 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv
close sourcegt; 5 gt; 7 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv
close sourcegt; 4 gt; 7 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-xits.mkiv
close sourcegt; 3 gt; 7 gt; 
C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-imp-unfonts.mkiv
fonts   gt; names gt; warnings are disabled (tracker 'fonts.warnings')
fonts   gt; names gt; identifying tree font files with suffix 'otf'
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project' 
for otf files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 otf files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-fonts' for 
otf files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 otf files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-local' for 
otf files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 otf files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-modules' 
for otf files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 otf files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context' 
for otf files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 1 otf files checked, 1 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-mswin' for 
otf files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 otf files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf' for otf 
files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 214 otf files checked, 214 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; identifying tree font files with suffix 'OTF'
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project' 
for OTF files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-fonts' for 
OTF files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-local' for 
OTF files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-modules' 
for OTF files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-context' 
for OTF files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 1 OTF files checked, 1 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-mswin' for 
OTF files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; scanning path 'C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf' for OTF 
files
fonts   gt; names gt; 0 entries found, 214 OTF files checked, 214 okay
fonts   gt; names gt; 430 tree files identified, 215 skipped, 215 
duplicates, 215 hash entries added, runtime 12.051 seconds
fonts   gt; names gt; identifying tree font files with 

Re: [NTG-context] korean unfonts globbing path error

2014-10-22 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear NY Park,

I am able to run your code in my mac without any error message.

My ConTeXt version is “ConTeXt  ver: 2014.10.19 21:08 MKIV beta  fmt: 
2014.10.20  int: english/english” which is as same as yours.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Dalyoung
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-04 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11/3/2013 1:01 PM, Jeong Dal wrote:


Dear Wolfgang and Hans,

First, other user in KTUG succeeded to get the colorful output of your sample 
file.
This means that there is a problem in my system.


You can do a manual update of the database with

mtxrun --script fonts --reload



After running the above command, I got the right output of the command
  mtxrun --script font --list --file hanbatang*

But there was another problem in my TeX file.

Korean in my file is precomposed characters, so I changed it to triplet by 
the help of Dohyun Kim,
KTUG.

(Someone who have an interest, please check the following:

http://www.ktug.org/xe/?document_srl=176946mid=KTUG_open_boardrnd=176962#comment_176962)

After fixing two problems, I succeeded to have colorful output.

Thank you so much for this nice new feature.


in next beta there is an (exprimental) decomposehangul=yes option

\starttext

\definefontfeature
  [korean-demo]
  [goodies=hanbatanglvt,
   colorscheme=default,
   decomposehangul=yes, % new pseudo feature
   mode=node,
   ljmo=yes,
   tjmo=yes,
   vjmo=yes,
   script=hang,
   language=kor]

\definefont[KoreanJMO] [hanbatanglvt*korean-demo]
\setfontcolorscheme[2]

\startTEXpage[offset=5pt,foregroundstyle=\KoreanJMO]
점들
\stopTEXpage

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] korean (Hans Hagen)

2013-11-04 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Hans,

 
 no, the decompose converts composed into 3 parts first (so one can use
 precomposed input)
 

 Then I don’t need to convert the file before running context.
It is great.
I’ll wait the next beta and tell it to KTUG users.

Thank you.

Best regards,

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-03 Thread Jeong Dal

Dear Wolfgang and Hans,

First, other user in KTUG succeeded to get the colorful output of your sample 
file. 
This means that there is a problem in my system.

 You can do a manual update of the database with
 
mtxrun --script fonts --reload
 

After running the above command, I got the right output of the command
 mtxrun --script font --list --file hanbatang* 

But there was another problem in my TeX file.

Korean in my file is precomposed characters, so I changed it to triplet by 
the help of Dohyun Kim, 
KTUG. 

(Someone who have an interest, please check the following:
   
http://www.ktug.org/xe/?document_srl=176946mid=KTUG_open_boardrnd=176962#comment_176962)

After fixing two problems, I succeeded to have colorful output. 

Thank you so much for this nice new feature.

Best regards,

Dalyoung



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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-02 Thread Jeong Dal

Dear Wolfgang and Hans,

 context normalizes font names ... so you can leave the name as it is 
 (works here)
 

I checked the font name in the terminal and the result as following:

MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools hanbatanglvt.ttf

MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools hanbatanglvt.otf

MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools HANBatang-LVT.otf

MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools HANBatang-LVT.ttf
/Users/graph/Library/Fonts/HANBatang-LVT.ttf

Thus font call hanbatanglvt doesn't work in my macbook. So, I thought my 
system is different from Hans' which may affect to this font coloring.  

I am using Macbook with OSX 10.8 and here are the versions of ConTeXt and 
LuaTeX:

mtx-context | current version: 2013.11.01 12:20
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.76.0-2013040508  (TeX Live 2013/dev)(rev 4627)


 get other users results when they test this?
 

I will upload this sample file in KTUG and ask to check. As soon as I know the 
result of other user, I'll let you know. 

 Is it OK to use another Korean font?

I tested other Korean font and got the correct output except the coloring.

 
 best discuss that with Chof cum suis as fonts need to have the right logic

Thank you.
Best regards,

Dalyoung

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-02 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 02.11.2013 um 10:16 schrieb Jeong Dal hak...@mac.com:

 
 Dear Wolfgang and Hans,
 
 context normalizes font names ... so you can leave the name as it is 
 (works here)
 
 
 I checked the font name in the terminal and the result as following:
 
 MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools hanbatanglvt.ttf
 
 MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools hanbatanglvt.otf
 
 MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools HANBatang-LVT.otf
 
 MacBook:ConTeXt graph$ luatools HANBatang-LVT.ttf
 /Users/graph/Library/Fonts/HANBatang-LVT.ttf
 
 Thus font call hanbatanglvt doesn't work in my macbook. So, I thought my 
 system is different from Hans' which may affect to this font coloring.  

When you use luatools to search for a file context doesn’t use the font database
to resolve normalized font names, the lookup happens only when you request
a font with \definefont or \definefontsynonym.

 I am using Macbook with OSX 10.8 and here are the versions of ConTeXt and 
 LuaTeX:
 
 mtx-context | current version: 2013.11.01 12:20
 This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.76.0-2013040508  (TeX Live 2013/dev)(rev 4627)

I use a Mac as well and I have no problem with Hans example and the fonts from 
the link.

There is a possibility that you have a older version of the fonts which is used 
by context
instead of the files from the link, you can check which ones are used by 
context when
you search for them in the database.

Try this on the command line:

mtxrun --script font --list --file hanbatang*

On my system I get this output:

hcrbatanglvt   normal   normal   normal   normal   hcrbatanglvt   
/Users/wolf/Library/Fonts/HANBatang-LVT.ttfconflict: book
hcrbatanglvt   bold normal   normal   normal   hcrbatanglvtbold   
/Users/wolf/Library/Fonts/HANBatangB-LVT.ttf

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-02 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Wolfgang,

Thank you for your suggestion.

 
 Try this on the command line:
 
 mtxrun --script font --list --file hanbatang*
 

I tried it and got the following output in which lvt is missing from the font 
name.

hcrbatang   normal   normal   normal   normal   hcrbatang   
/Users/graph/Library/Fonts/HANBatang.ttfconflict: book
hcrbatang   bold normal   normal   normal   hcrbatangbold   
/Users/graph/Library/Fonts/HANBatangB.ttf

 On my system I get this output:
 
 hcrbatanglvt   normal   normal   normal   normal   hcrbatanglvt   
 /Users/wolf/Library/Fonts/HANBatang-LVT.ttfconflict: book
 hcrbatanglvt   bold normal   normal   normal   hcrbatanglvtbold   
 /Users/wolf/Library/Fonts/HANBatangB-LVT.ttf
 

Is there any fix for this? How to update the database?

Thank you again.

Best regards,

Dalyoung

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-02 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 02.11.2013 um 13:44 schrieb Jeong Dal hak...@mac.com:

 Is there any fix for this? How to update the database?

You can do a manual update of the database with

mtxrun —script fonts —reload

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-01 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2013-11-01 um 11:51 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com:

 I just modify the buffer because all the characters are appeared as '?' in 
 the mail.
 
 Can you try a different mail client (which doesn’t break threads) because I 
 have no problem with Hans message.

He seems to use Apple Mail like me, and I have no problems with it - seldom 
breaks threads and displays Unicode glyphs correctly.
Ah, but his says Apple Mail (2.1510)“, and the current version is 7.0

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-01 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Wolfgang,


Thank you.

Best regards,

Dalyoung


 
 You need a newer version of context, I used the following version which 
 produces colored output.
 
 mtx-context | current version: 2013.10.30 14:53
 
 Wolfgang
 

Dear Wolfgang,

After updating to the current version (mtx-context | current version: 
2013.11.01 12:20), I run ConTeXt again.
But I still don't have the color output.
The addition of the command  \setupcolors[state=start] doesn't do any change.

Would you please give me a tip for fix?

 
 He seems to use Apple Mail like me, and I have no problems with it - seldom 
 breaks threads and displays Unicode glyphs correctly.
 Ah, but his says Apple Mail (2.1510)?, and the current version is 7.0
 
 Greetlings, Hraban

Dear Hraban,

I checked the version of Apple Mail which is 6.6(1510). Isn't it good for now?
I changed the fonts for the text with a hope to solve the problem.

Thanks Wolfgang and Hraban.

Best regards,

Dalyoung

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-11-01 Thread Hans Hagen



After updating to the current version (mtx-context | current version: 
2013.11.01 12:20), I run ConTeXt again.
But I still don't have the color output.


make sure you have input in triplets (no precomposed characters)


The addition of the command  \setupcolors[state=start] doesn't do any change.


colors are always on

- make sure you have the right fonts
- check if there is an hanbatanglvt.lfg file (loaded)

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[NTG-context] korean

2013-10-31 Thread Hans Hagen

Hi,

Some new cool korean goodie:

\starttext

\definefontfeature
  [korean-composed]
  [goodies=hanbatanglvt,
   colorscheme=default,
   mode=node,
   ljmo=yes,
   tjmo=yes,
   vjmo=yes,
   script=hang,
   language=kor]

\definefont[KoreanJMO] [hanbatanglvt*korean-composed]

\startbuffer
% Hunminjeongeum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunminjeongeum
나랏말ᄊᆞ미中듕國 
귁에달아문ᄍᆞᆼ와로서르ᄉᆞᄆᆞᆺ디아니ᄒᆞᆯᄊᆡ%
사ᄅᆞᆷ마다ᄒᆡᅇᅧ수ᄫᅵ니겨날로ᄡᅮ메便뼌安 
ᅙᅡᆫ킈ᄒᆞ고져ᄒᆞᇙᄯᆞᄅᆞ미니라

\stopbuffer

\definecolor[colorscheme:100:1][r=.75]
\definecolor[colorscheme:100:2][g=.75]
\definecolor[colorscheme:100:3][b=.75]

\definecolor[colorscheme:101:1][g=.75,b=.75]
\definecolor[colorscheme:101:2][r=.75,b=.75]
\definecolor[colorscheme:101:3][r=.75,g=.75]

\startTEXpage[offset=5pt,foregroundstyle=\KoreanJMO]
\getbuffer \par
\setfontcolorscheme[100]\getbuffer \par
\setfontcolorscheme[101]\getbuffer \par
\stopTEXpage

\stoptext

This example was made at the TUG 2013 conference after a presentation by 
Chof. The font most recent version of the font (adapted by by Dohyun 
Kim) can be downloaded from: 
http://ftp.ktug.org/KTUG/hcr-lvt/1.910_nomac/. The coloring of 
components is driven by an already existing mechanism.


Coloring Korean this way can help in education (which was what the 
presentation by Chof was about, apart from pointing out that tex is one 
of the few applications that can do these things.)


Hans



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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-10-31 Thread Jeong Dal
Dear Hans,

Thank you for your concern on Korean fonts.

I run the given code without the problem.
But the output are all black.

I just modify the buffer because all the characters are appeared as '?' in the 
mail.

I am running the ConTeXt whose version is 2013. 10.15.

Is there anything I have to check?

Thank you so much.

Best regards,

Dalyoung

 
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 Message: 1
 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:50:06 +0100
 From: Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl
 To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl
 Subject: [NTG-context] korean
 Message-ID: 527227ce.7060...@wxs.nl
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; Format=flowed
 
 Hi,
 
 Some new cool korean goodie:
 
 \starttext
 
 \definefontfeature
   [korean-composed]
   [goodies=hanbatanglvt,
colorscheme=default,
mode=node,
ljmo=yes,
tjmo=yes,
vjmo=yes,
script=hang,
language=kor]
 
 \definefont[KoreanJMO] [hanbatanglvt*korean-composed]
 
 \startbuffer
 % Hunminjeongeum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunminjeongeum
 ? 
 %
 ??? 
 
 \stopbuffer
 
 \definecolor[colorscheme:100:1][r=.75]
 \definecolor[colorscheme:100:2][g=.75]
 \definecolor[colorscheme:100:3][b=.75]
 
 \definecolor[colorscheme:101:1][g=.75,b=.75]
 \definecolor[colorscheme:101:2][r=.75,b=.75]
 \definecolor[colorscheme:101:3][r=.75,g=.75]
 
 \startTEXpage[offset=5pt,foregroundstyle=\KoreanJMO]
 \getbuffer \par
 \setfontcolorscheme[100]\getbuffer \par
 \setfontcolorscheme[101]\getbuffer \par
 \stopTEXpage
 
 \stoptext
 
 This example was made at the TUG 2013 conference after a presentation by 
 Chof. The font most recent version of the font (adapted by by Dohyun 
 Kim) can be downloaded from: 
 http://ftp.ktug.org/KTUG/hcr-lvt/1.910_nomac/. The coloring of 
 components is driven by an already existing mechanism.
 
 Coloring Korean this way can help in education (which was what the 
 presentation by Chof was about, apart from pointing out that tex is one 
 of the few applications that can do these things.)
 
 Hans
 
 
 
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2013-10-31 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 01.11.2013 um 05:50 schrieb Jeong Dal hak...@mac.com:

 Dear Hans,
 
 Thank you for your concern on Korean fonts.
 
 I run the given code without the problem.
 But the output are all black.
 
 I just modify the buffer because all the characters are appeared as '?' in 
 the mail.

Can you try a different mail client (which doesn’t break threads) because I 
have no problem with Hans message.

 I am running the ConTeXt whose version is 2013. 10.15.
 
 Is there anything I have to check?


You need a newer version of context, I used the following version which 
produces colored output.

mtx-context | current version: 2013.10.30 14:53

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[NTG-context] korean (was Re: ntg-context Digest, Vol 80, Issue 49)

2011-02-14 Thread Hans Hagen

On 12-2-2011 5:08, Jeong Dalyoung wrote:


the order should be

ㄱ, ㄴ, ㄷ, ㄹ, ㅁ, ㅂ, ㅅ, ㅇ, ㅈ, ㅊ, ㅋ, ㅌ, ㅍ, ㅎ


Ok, I now use a slightly different method. There's a new beta:

- new experimental korean sorter
- reworked mp extension mechanism (to better suit Mojca's gnuplot 
torture test)

- hopefully better otf/ttf suffix mixup checking
- small datefix for willi

New feature of the day:

\starttext

\startMPpage
draw
bitmapimage(2,2,334455 667788 99aabb ccddee)
scaled 3cm
rotated 15 ;
draw
bitmapimage(2,2,33 55 77 99)
scaled 2cm
rotated 30 ;
draw
bitmapimage(2,2,ff00 ff00ff00 00ff )
scaled 1cm
rotated 45 ;
\stopMPpage

\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] Korean

2009-02-05 Thread polytope
Dear Wofgang,I made a sample text by inserting space to the text which you used when you test Korean before.I used un fonts which you can download from KTUG.After you compile it using LuaTeX, you can see some overfull lines which was mentioned by Dr. DoHyun Kim in the previous mail.Thank you for your concern on Korean.Best regards,Dalyoung Jeong

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From: Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com>Subject: Re: [NTG-context] koreanTo: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl>Message-ID:	115224fb0902040013u2639b102r8e46228f698b5...@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Korean orthography has rules ofwhere spaces should be inserted and where not.So here I proofread Korean texts provided by Wolfgang.I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and pastfrom other texts is not the best solution.The dvipdfmx* site has a few examples, can you bring them in textform with correct spaces.*http://project.ktug.or.kr/dvipdfmx/Wolfgang--Message: 8Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:23:04 +0100From: "Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini" w...@musensturm.de>Subject: Re: [NTG-context] colored columnTo:ntg-context@ntg.nl___
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2009/2/4 Dohyun Kim nomosno...@gmail.com:

 나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자로는 % endline space should be honoured

This is a side effect of the font handling, I used the hang script which
supports only chinese and removes all spaces from the input (between
words and at the end of the line).

You get better results with features=default in the typescript because
the spaces remain now in the input but ConTeXt makes a line break now
only at the spaces.

ConTeXt's CJK is very limited at the moment because the rules have to be
defined (with all exceptions) and what we did in the past was to add them
piecewise and many things are missing.

 Korean orthography has rules of
 where spaces should be inserted and where not.
 So here I proofread Korean texts provided by Wolfgang.

I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and past
from other texts is not the best solution.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
 Korean orthography has rules of
 where spaces should be inserted and where not.
 So here I proofread Korean texts provided by Wolfgang.

 I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and past
 from other texts is not the best solution.


The dvipdfmx* site has a few examples, can you bring them in text
form with correct spaces.

* http://project.ktug.or.kr/dvipdfmx/

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Dohyun Kim
2009/2/4 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com:
 2009/2/4 Dohyun Kim nomosno...@gmail.com:

 나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자로는 % endline space should be honoured

 This is a side effect of the font handling, I used the hang script which
 supports only chinese and removes all spaces from the input (between
 words and at the end of the line).

 You get better results with features=default in the typescript because
 the spaces remain now in the input but ConTeXt makes a line break now
 only at the spaces.


Yes! Much better with default features. Only missing is
allowing line break between characters.

On the other hand, as script tag hang denotes Hangul
according to opentype specification, it would be confusing
to use this name for Chinese typesetting.  See:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/scripttags.htm


 I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and past
 from other texts is not the best solution.


The example provided by Wolfgang and corrected by me seems to be
sufficient for simple testing.  It contains Hangul, Chinese characters,
parentheses, commas, and Latin fullstops.
Only Latin words are missing; so how about this?

나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자(chinese characters)로는

Following link is the result compiled with latex under [a5paper] option:
http://people.ktug.or.kr/~nomos/mine/koreantypesettingwithlatex.png

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Hans:

Great work! One comment:
Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
hyphenation is needed.

Yue Wang

2009/2/4 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 Dohyun Kim wrote:

 On the other hand, as script tag hang denotes Hangul
 according to opentype specification, it would be confusing
 to use this name for Chinese typesetting.  See:
 http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/scripttags.htm

 can you give the correct list to use then? but anyhow, since these scripts
 are used mixed they need to share the logic anyway

 I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and past
 from other texts is not the best solution.

 ok, extended the analyzer with penalty5 between chars and adaptive spacing
 between scripts i uploaded a beta .. btw, that one has already new math
 stuff so one needs a real recent luatex as well (so if the zip fails you can
 try the experimental minimals once they're in sync)

 the best you can so is to collect specs (together with other cjk users) and
 make examples

 forget about latex or other tex solutions since i won't look in them anyway
 (i can't process them and it's easier for me to start from scratch and also,
 whenever i run into an example it uses other encodings than utf and/or the
 multiple pfb approach)

 \starttext

 \enabletrackers[otf.analyzing]

 \setupcolors[state=start]

 \definefontfeature[korean][script=hani,language=kor,mode=node,analyze=yes] %
 hangul

 \definedfont[arialuni*korean at 15pt]

 [begin]

 나라의
 말이
 중국과
 달라서
 한자로는
 서로
 통하지
 아니하므로
 이런
 까닭으로
 어리석은
 백성들이
 말하고자
 하는
 바가
 있어도
 마침내
 제뜻을
 능히
 펴지
 못하는
 사람이
 많으니라.
 내가
 이를
 불쌍히
 여겨
 새로
 스물여덟자를
 만드나니


 아아, 나는 이제야 도(道)를 알았도다. 마음이 어두운 자는 이목이
 누(累)가 되지 않는다. 이목만을 믿는 자는 보고 듣는 것이
 더욱 밝혀져서 병이 되는 것이다. 이제 내 마부가 발을 말굽에
 밟혀서 뒷차에 실리었으므로, 나는 드디어 혼자 고삐를 늦추어
 강에 띄우고, 무릎을 구부려 발을 모으고 안장 위에 앉았다.
 한번 떨어지면 강이나 물로 땅을 삼고, 물로 옷을 삼으며,
 물로 몸을 삼고, 물로 성정을 삼을 것이다. 이제야 내 마음은
 한번 떨어질 것을 판단한 터이므로, 내 귓속에 강물 소리가 없어졌다.
 무릇 아홉 번 건너는데도 걱정이 없어 의자 위에서 좌와(坐臥)하고
 기거(起居)하는 것 같았다.

 [end]

 anyway, it looks korean to me

 (later arthur an i will look into the composition problem, not too hard and
 fun to do, but it might need a different place in the processing sequence)

 currently we do this in an analysis pass, but that might change because it
 can interfere with feature processing (future versions ofloatex will have a
 few more tricks for manipulating the widths of glyphs and so, which in turn
 means that some of the logic can be redone in more clever ways)

 Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Yue Wang wrote:
 Hi, Hans:
 
 Great work! One comment:
 Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
 in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
 hyphenation is needed.

well, the spec was: inject penalty5

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
Hans and Mojca:

So the Korean support begins,
I think the unfonts can be add into the ConTeXt minimals distribution
(or as a extra package)?
It is a high-quality free fonts collection which contains batang,
dotum style and so on.
You can download the fonts at
http://kldp.net/projects/unfonts/

Yue Wang


2009/2/4 Yue Wang yuleo...@gmail.com:
 Hi, Hans:

 Great work! One comment:
 Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
 in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
 hyphenation is needed.

 Yue Wang

 2009/2/4 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 Dohyun Kim wrote:

 On the other hand, as script tag hang denotes Hangul
 according to opentype specification, it would be confusing
 to use this name for Chinese typesetting.  See:
 http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/scripttags.htm

 can you give the correct list to use then? but anyhow, since these scripts
 are used mixed they need to share the logic anyway

 I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and past
 from other texts is not the best solution.

 ok, extended the analyzer with penalty5 between chars and adaptive spacing
 between scripts i uploaded a beta .. btw, that one has already new math
 stuff so one needs a real recent luatex as well (so if the zip fails you can
 try the experimental minimals once they're in sync)

 the best you can so is to collect specs (together with other cjk users) and
 make examples

 forget about latex or other tex solutions since i won't look in them anyway
 (i can't process them and it's easier for me to start from scratch and also,
 whenever i run into an example it uses other encodings than utf and/or the
 multiple pfb approach)

 \starttext

 \enabletrackers[otf.analyzing]

 \setupcolors[state=start]

 \definefontfeature[korean][script=hani,language=kor,mode=node,analyze=yes] %
 hangul

 \definedfont[arialuni*korean at 15pt]

 [begin]

 나라의
 말이
 중국과
 달라서
 한자로는
 서로
 통하지
 아니하므로
 이런
 까닭으로
 어리석은
 백성들이
 말하고자
 하는
 바가
 있어도
 마침내
 제뜻을
 능히
 펴지
 못하는
 사람이
 많으니라.
 내가
 이를
 불쌍히
 여겨
 새로
 스물여덟자를
 만드나니


 아아, 나는 이제야 도(道)를 알았도다. 마음이 어두운 자는 이목이
 누(累)가 되지 않는다. 이목만을 믿는 자는 보고 듣는 것이
 더욱 밝혀져서 병이 되는 것이다. 이제 내 마부가 발을 말굽에
 밟혀서 뒷차에 실리었으므로, 나는 드디어 혼자 고삐를 늦추어
 강에 띄우고, 무릎을 구부려 발을 모으고 안장 위에 앉았다.
 한번 떨어지면 강이나 물로 땅을 삼고, 물로 옷을 삼으며,
 물로 몸을 삼고, 물로 성정을 삼을 것이다. 이제야 내 마음은
 한번 떨어질 것을 판단한 터이므로, 내 귓속에 강물 소리가 없어졌다.
 무릇 아홉 번 건너는데도 걱정이 없어 의자 위에서 좌와(坐臥)하고
 기거(起居)하는 것 같았다.

 [end]

 anyway, it looks korean to me

 (later arthur an i will look into the composition problem, not too hard and
 fun to do, but it might need a different place in the processing sequence)

 currently we do this in an analysis pass, but that might change because it
 can interfere with feature processing (future versions ofloatex will have a
 few more tricks for manipulating the widths of glyphs and so, which in turn
 means that some of the logic can be redone in more clever ways)

 Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 can you give the correct list to use then?

  hang for Hangul syllables (U+AC00 to U+D7A3), hani for Chinese (Han)
ideographs (U+3400 to U+4DFF, U+4E00 to U+9FFF, U+2 to U+2A6DF,
amongst others -- the vast majority of characters in modern use is in
the second range).

but anyhow, since these scripts 
 are used mixed they need to share the logic anyway

  Not really; they can use together in the same text, but they still are
very different behaviour.  Besides, the essential script for Korean
really is hang, not hani.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Yue Wang wrote:
 Hans and Mojca:
 
 So the Korean support begins,
 I think the unfonts can be add into the ConTeXt minimals distribution
 (or as a extra package)?
 It is a high-quality free fonts collection which contains batang,
 dotum style and so on.
 You can download the fonts at
 http://kldp.net/projects/unfonts/

idem for sil fonts

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Dohyun Kim
2009/2/4 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 Yue Wang wrote:
 Hi, Hans:

 Great work! One comment:
 Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
 in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
 hyphenation is needed.

 this version inserts a penalty5 and glue0


The result has
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and fullstop.
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and comma.
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and
opening parenthesis.
- too wide space between closing parenthesis and Korean char(including
Chinese char).
- too wide space between opening parenthesis and Korean char(including
Chinese char)
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and
closing parenthesis.

Korean typesetting is somewhat different from Chinese or Japanese typesetting.
It has inter-word spaces (ie. glue). So inter-word spaces, fullstops, commas,
and parentheses should be treated as the same as in Latin typesetting,
except allowing line break
 1. between Korean char and opening parentheses
 2. between closing parenthesis and Korean char.
In these cases, glue with big plus or minus stretch is not desirable.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 Yue Wang wrote:
 Hans and Mojca:

 So the Korean support begins,
 I think the unfonts can be add into the ConTeXt minimals distribution
 (or as a extra package)?
 It is a high-quality free fonts collection which contains batang,
 dotum style and so on.
 You can download the fonts at
 http://kldp.net/projects/unfonts/

 idem for sil fonts


ditto for cwtex fonts (GPL Traditional Chinese fonts):
http://cle.linux.org.tw/fonts/cwttf/center/
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Hans Hagen

Yue Wang wrote:

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

Yue Wang wrote:

Hans and Mojca:

So the Korean support begins,
I think the unfonts can be add into the ConTeXt minimals distribution
(or as a extra package)?
It is a high-quality free fonts collection which contains batang,
dotum style and so on.
You can download the fonts at
http://kldp.net/projects/unfonts/

idem for sil fonts



ditto for cwtex fonts (GPL Traditional Chinese fonts):
http://cle.linux.org.tw/fonts/cwttf/center/


ok, so how about making a page on the wiki where users can mention these 
fonts, when we have a complete list of redistributable fonts we can 
decide what to include


per font we need to mention then: what scripts are supported, how good 
is the quality, and how big are the fonts


this also makes it easier to provide the typescripts



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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Hans Hagen

Dohyun Kim wrote:

2009/2/4 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:

Yue Wang wrote:

Hi, Hans:

Great work! One comment:
Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
hyphenation is needed.

this version inserts a penalty5 and glue0



The result has
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and fullstop.
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and comma.
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and
opening parenthesis.
- too wide space between closing parenthesis and Korean char(including
Chinese char).
- too wide space between opening parenthesis and Korean char(including
Chinese char)
- too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and
closing parenthesis.



these spacings are configurable but keep in mind that when doing 
justification tex will try to distribute according to what is set


maybe for korean the general space might be larger than normal?


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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Hans:


 ok, so how about making a page on the wiki where users can mention these
 fonts, when we have a complete list of redistributable fonts we can decide
 what to include


Thanks.Good idea, here is the link:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/CJK_fonts [sorry, I am a wiki newbie]

Some well-known free fonts are listed. Most users will choose one of
them for their TeX documents.
I think we can follow the local distribution's choice since it is used
widely in the local community.
The followings are the default font in the standard local TeX
distribution (CTeX, ktug Collection, cwTeX).

Simplified Chinese:  sim*  font distributed in windows. we provide the
typescript only. and we can provide typescript for Adobe's 4 Chinese
fonts also.
Traditional Chinese: cwTeX fonts. we can provide the typescript and
distribute them.
Korean: unfonts. we can provide the typescript and distribute them.


 per font we need to mention then: what scripts are supported, how good is
 the quality, and how big are the fonts

 this also makes it easier to provide the typescripts


Oh, Dohyun, if I said something wrong on Korean's typeface, please
point out. I am not a native Korean speaker:)

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Yue Wang yuleo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Hans:

 
  ok, so how about making a page on the wiki where users can mention these
  fonts, when we have a complete list of redistributable fonts we can
 decide
  what to include
 

 Thanks.Good idea, here is the link:
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/CJK_fonts [sorry, I am a wiki newbie]

Why not CJVK_fonts ?
http://www.amazon.de/review/product/0596514476/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8showViewpoints=1






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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
Hi,  Luigi:


 Why not CJVK_fonts ?
 http://www.amazon.de/review/product/0596514476/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8showViewpoints=1


Yes,Vietnamese is a Asian language, but it is very different from CJK.
It uses a alphabet based writing system.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
Hi,

 yes I know.
 But  just to keep some kind of uniformity, as the book seems to suggest.

no. the more widely used name is CJK.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJKV, it will redirect to CJK.
Unicode standard also classified the group as CJK.
(Version 5.1.0, page 409)

CJK uses the similar writing systems, all of them use Chinese Characters.
Modern Vietnamese do not include Chinese characters, it uses the Latin
writing system.
Only ancient Vietnamese includes Chinese characters, and that's why
some websites/books use CJKV.


 Of course, can be just confusing.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Yue Wang yuleo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

  yes I know.
  But  just to keep some kind of uniformity, as the book seems to suggest.

 no. the more widely used name is CJK.
 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJKV, it will redirect to CJK.
 Unicode standard also classified the group as CJK.
 (Version 5.1.0, page 409)

 CJK uses the similar writing systems, all of them use Chinese Characters.
 Modern Vietnamese do not include Chinese characters, it uses the Latin
 writing system.
 Only ancient Vietnamese includes Chinese characters, and that's why
 some websites/books use CJKV.

good to know -- as usual, I'm not able to read all book I bought .



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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Yue Wang yuleo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,  Luigi:


  Why not CJVK_fonts ?
 
 http://www.amazon.de/review/product/0596514476/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8showViewpoints=1


 Yes,Vietnamese is a Asian language, but it is very different from CJK.
 It uses a alphabet based writing system.

yes I know.
But  just to keep some kind of uniformity, as the book seems to suggest.
Of course, can be just confusing.


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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Dohyun Kim
2009/2/4 Yue Wang yuleo...@gmail.com:

 Oh, Dohyun, if I said something wrong on Korean's typeface, please
 point out. I am not a native Korean speaker:)


There are many more free Korean fonts.

Unfonts have good (but not excellent, frankly speaking) quality
and are originated from Korean TeX community, so that
Korean TeX users normally use unfonts officially.
Actually, however, they use other commercial or free fonts for
really critical or private purposes.

Moreover, recently, there's a noticeable trend in Korea
for big private companies or local governments to release
free fonts of high quality.  Amongst them, Nanum fonts
released by number one Korean portal site, Naver, are noteworthy.

Serif and Sans series of Nanum fonts:
http://hangeul.naver.com/index.nhn?goto=fonts#fonts

Monospace series of Nanum fonts:
http://dev.naver.com/projects/nanumfont

These fonts are freely redistributable, as far as I know.

I will introduce some more Korean free fonts of quality
later on another occasion.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dohyun Kim nomosno...@gmail.com wrote:

 You get better results with features=default in the typescript because
 the spaces remain now in the input but ConTeXt makes a line break now
 only at the spaces.

 Yes! Much better with default features. Only missing is
 allowing line break between characters.

This is already on my list what is missing in ConTeXt's CJK support
but I think it makes sense to collect first what is needed and what
features we want.

 On the other hand, as script tag hang denotes Hangul
 according to opentype specification, it would be confusing
 to use this name for Chinese typesetting.  See:
 http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/scripttags.htm

The chinese script use hani and hang is for the moment only
a synonym. In the end each language use their correct script tag.

You can the list also in font-ott.lua.

 I would be better you can provide us better examples, copy and past
 from other texts is not the best solution.

 The example provided by Wolfgang and corrected by me seems to be
 sufficient for simple testing.  It contains Hangul, Chinese characters,
 parentheses, commas, and Latin fullstops.
 Only Latin words are missing; so how about this?

나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자(chinese characters)로는

 Following link is the result compiled with latex under [a5paper] option:
 http://people.ktug.or.kr/~nomos/mine/koreantypesettingwithlatex.png

Looks good, we can use it to test ConTeXt's output after the code is finished.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Hans Hagen

Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

can you give the correct list to use then?


  hang for Hangul syllables (U+AC00 to U+D7A3), hani for Chinese (Han)
ideographs (U+3400 to U+4DFF, U+4E00 to U+9FFF, U+2 to U+2A6DF,
amongst others -- the vast majority of characters in modern use is in
the second range).

   but anyhow, since these scripts 
are used mixed they need to share the logic anyway


  Not really; they can use together in the same text, but they still are
very different behaviour.  Besides, the essential script for Korean
really is hang, not hani.


ah, so what then about: hngl




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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Dohyun Kim
2009/2/4 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 Dohyun Kim wrote:

 2009/2/4 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:

 Yue Wang wrote:

 Hi, Hans:

 Great work! One comment:
 Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
 in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
 hyphenation is needed.

 this version inserts a penalty5 and glue0


 The result has
 - too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and fullstop.
 - too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and comma.
 - too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and
 opening parenthesis.
 - too wide space between closing parenthesis and Korean char(including
 Chinese char).
 - too wide space between opening parenthesis and Korean char(including
 Chinese char)
 - too wide space between Korean char(including Chinese char) and
 closing parenthesis.


 these spacings are configurable but keep in mind that when doing
 justification tex will try to distribute according to what is set

 maybe for korean the general space might be larger than normal?


Saying too wide space was my mistake. I mean, in all these cases
no space is desirable. Just allowing line break (withot stretching)
before opening parenthesis and after closing parenthesis will be good enough.
In all other cases, do nothing is what I want.

Dohyun Kim
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 ah, so what then about: hngl

  You mean as an internal alias for hang + hani, to be used for Korean?
Why not; after all, ISO 15924 registered a Jpan code as an alias for Han
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you will find only hang or hani.

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Yue Wang
Hans:

Looks much better now.
I think we should have similar inject for Korean in ConTeXt.
(I think Mr. Kim's \penalty50 is for LaTeX? Maybe in ConTeXt it is different...)
Anyway, I think Mr. Kim can give more comments and fine tunes:)


Yue Wang

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 Yue Wang wrote:
 Hi, Hans:

 Great work! One comment:
 Line 3 and 4, the second paragraph, the line is too stretched,
 in fact you can break a Korean word anywhere you want, and no
 hyphenation is needed.

 this version inserts a penalty5 and glue0


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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-04 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
 ah, so what then about: hngl

  Oh, I just got it (by reading the second edition of Ken Lunde's
_CJKV_): you're confusing the script tag with the *feature* tag 'hngl',
which is also short for Hangul, but has different semantics: it's a
feature supposed to replace a Hanja by the Hangul(s) that correspond to
its possible pronounciation(s).  Not very common, I guess, and in any
case, ConTeXt doesn't have the interface to address this feature: it
would need to present the user with all the possible Hanguls, and ask
him to choose the appropriate one among them (i.e., this is one of those
OpenType features that needs some interactivity, like, for example,
'aalt').

  Anyway, I really wonder how that feature made it into the OpenType
spec: it seems really specific, and OpenType doesn't have the equivalent
feature for Japanese Kanjis, which could be tortured just the same if
one would want to.

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Re: [NTG-context] Korean

2009-02-04 Thread polytope
Dear Wofgang,I made a sample text by inserting space to the text which you used when you test Korean before.I used un fonts which you can download from KTUG.After you compile it using LuaTeX, you can see some overfull lines which was mentioned by Dr. DoHyun Kim.Thank you for your concern on Korean.Best regards,Dalyoung Jeong


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[NTG-context] korean

2009-02-03 Thread Hans Hagen

Hi,

is there someone on this list who has tried korean with mkiv? next week 
taco and i travel to korea (user group meeting) so we'd better know how 
to do korean


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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Am 03.02.2009 um 21:27 schrieb Hans Hagen:

is there someone on this list who has tried korean with mkiv? next  
week taco and i travel to korea (user group meeting) so we'd better  
know how to do korean



Here is a short example with text from one of the korean latex manuals.

\definefontfeature[korean][mode=node,script=hang,lang=kor]

\starttypescript [serif] [unbatang]
  \definefontsynonym [UnBatang-Regular] [name:unbatang]  
[features=korean]
  \definefontsynonym [UnBatang-Bold][name:unbatangbold]  
[features=korean]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [unbatang]
  \setups[font:fallback:serif]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif] [UnBatang-Regular] [features=korean]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [UnBatang-Bold][features=korean]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [unbatang] [rm] [serif] [unbatang] [default]

\setupbodyfont[unbatang]

\starttext

% the font setting for cjk gobbles spaces between words
% and at the end of the lines, a little hack is needed
% to get a correct output in the example

\catcode`\ = 13
\def {\hskip.25emplus.15emminus.15em\relax}

나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자로
는 서로 통하지 아니하므로 이런 까
닭으로 어리석은 백성들이 말하고
자 하는 바가 있어도 마침내 제뜻
을 능히 펴지 못하는 사람이 많으
니라. 내가 이를 불쌍히 여겨 새로
스물여덟자를 만드나니

\blank

아아, 나는 이제야 도 (道) 를 알았도다. 마음이 어두 
운 자는 이목이 누
(累) 가 되지 않는다. 이목만을 믿는 자는 보고 듣는 것 
이 더욱 밝혀져서
병이 되는 것이다. 이제 내 마부가 발을 말굽에 밟혀 
서 뒷차에 실리었으
므로, 나는 드디어 혼자 고삐를 늦추어 강에 띄우고,  
무릎을 구부려 발을
모으고 안장 위에 앉았다. 한번 떨어지면 강이나 물로  
땅을 삼고, 물로
옷을 삼으며, 물로 몸을 삼고, 물로 성정을 삼을 것이 
다. 이제야 내 마
음은 한번 떨어질 것을 판단한 터이므로, 내 귓속에 강 
물 소리가 없어졌
다. 무릇 아홉 번 건너는데도 걱정이 없어 의자 위에 
서 좌와 (坐臥) 하고

기거 (起居) 하는 것 같았다.

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-03 Thread Dohyun Kim
2009/2/4 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com:

 Am 03.02.2009 um 21:27 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 Hi,

 is there someone on this list who has tried korean with mkiv? next week
 taco and i travel to korea (user group meeting) so we'd better know how to
 do korean

 Korean use the same rules for line breaking as chinese but spaces
 in the input are not removed and remain in the output.


Several month ago, I have tried Korean typesetting with MKIV,
but the result was short of satisfactory one.

These are minimum typesetting rule for Korean documents:

``Korean characters'' means here
all Hangul Syllables (U+AC00 .. U+D7A3) plus Chinese Ideographs.

- Spaces between words should be preserved, as Wolfgang said.

- Linebreaking should be allowed between Korean characters.
  We prefer here \penalty50 or \discretionary{}{}{} rather than \hskip.

- Linebreaking is allowed between Korean character and Latin character.
  We prefer here \hskip0pt to make possible hyphenations inside Latin word.

- Kumchik (``Kinsoku'' in Japanese) rule is the same as Chinese or
Japanese typesetting:
  * Linebreaking should not occur after, for example, opening parentheses.
  * Linebreaking should not occur before, for example, closing
parentheses, comma, or fullstop.

That's all.

Best,
Dohyun Kim
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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Am 03.02.2009 um 21:27 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Hi,

is there someone on this list who has tried korean with mkiv? next  
week taco and i travel to korea (user group meeting) so we'd better  
know how to do korean


Korean use the same rules for line breaking as chinese but spaces
in the input are not removed and remain in the output.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] korean

2009-02-03 Thread Dohyun Kim
2009년 2월 4일 (수) 오전 9:25, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com님의 말:

 나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자로
 는 서로 통하지 아니하므로 이런 까
 닭으로 어리석은 백성들이 말하고
 자 하는 바가 있어도 마침내 제뜻
 을 능히 펴지 못하는 사람이 많으
 니라. 내가 이를 불쌍히 여겨 새로
 스물여덟자를 만드나니

나라의 말이 중국과 달라서 한자로는 % endline space should be honoured
서로 통하지 아니하므로 이런 까닭으로
어리석은 백성들이 말하고자
하는 바가 있어도 마침내 제뜻을
능히 펴지 못하는 사람이 많으니라.
내가 이를 불쌍히 여겨 새로
스물여덟자를 만드나니


 아아, 나는 이제야 도 (道) 를 알았도다. 마음이 어두운 자는 이목이 누
 (累) 가 되지 않는다. 이목만을 믿는 자는 보고 듣는 것이 더욱 밝혀져서
 병이 되는 것이다. 이제 내 마부가 발을 말굽에 밟혀서 뒷차에 실리었으
 므로, 나는 드디어 혼자 고삐를 늦추어 강에 띄우고, 무릎을 구부려 발을
 모으고 안장 위에 앉았다. 한번 떨어지면 강이나 물로 땅을 삼고, 물로
 옷을 삼으며, 물로 몸을 삼고, 물로 성정을 삼을 것이다. 이제야 내 마
 음은 한번 떨어질 것을 판단한 터이므로, 내 귓속에 강물 소리가 없어졌
 다. 무릇 아홉 번 건너는데도 걱정이 없어 의자 위에서 좌와 (坐臥) 하고
 기거 (起居) 하는 것 같았다.


아아, 나는 이제야 도(道)를 알았도다. 마음이 어두운 자는 이목이
누(累)가 되지 않는다. 이목만을 믿는 자는 보고 듣는 것이
더욱 밝혀져서 병이 되는 것이다. 이제 내 마부가 발을 말굽에
밟혀서 뒷차에 실리었으므로, 나는 드디어 혼자 고삐를 늦추어
강에 띄우고, 무릎을 구부려 발을 모으고 안장 위에 앉았다.
한번 떨어지면 강이나 물로 땅을 삼고, 물로 옷을 삼으며,
물로 몸을 삼고, 물로 성정을 삼을 것이다. 이제야 내 마음은
한번 떨어질 것을 판단한 터이므로, 내 귓속에 강물 소리가 없어졌다.
무릇 아홉 번 건너는데도 걱정이 없어 의자 위에서 좌와(坐臥)하고
기거(起居)하는 것 같았다.

Korean orthography has rules of
where spaces should be inserted and where not.
So here I proofread Korean texts provided by Wolfgang.

Best,
Dohyun Kim
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