Re: [NTG-context] no looseness in LMTX?
On 9/7/2021 3:13 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: But \updateparagraphproperties (see Hans’ message) helps, it’s just inconvenient. depends ... if you're in some group before a \par is given you won't get looseness which is way harder to track down, and carrying that on eover an egroup is not something you want to do (let alone carrying over 20 groups) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] no looseness in LMTX?
> Am 07.09.2021 um 13:15 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster > : > > Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context schrieb am 07.09.2021 um 11:49: >> In my magazine and book projects, I sometimes fix pagebreaking by stretching >> paragraphs with \looseness=1 >> >> Unfortunately this works _in my project_ only with MkIV, i.e. \looseness has >> no effect with LMTX. >> >> I tried different examples (e.g. the attached file) and can’t reproduce the >> problem, there MkIV and LMTX always behave the same. >> So it must be something in my settings. >> >> What could cause the difference? >> I tried English and German and different settings of alignment and tolerance. >> Might it be font dependent? > > Do you enable protrusion and font expansion for your document font or is it > just missing in your example? You’re right, this was missing in the example: \definefontfeature[default] [mode=node,liga=no,kern=yes,tlig=no, ccmp=yes,language=dflt, protrusion=quality, expansion=quality] But that also doesn’t change that the example works the same with MkIV and LMTX, but not my project. > Have you checked if the alignment changes when you use the "extremestretch" > keyword for \setupalign? I see no difference, and again it works in both versions the same. It also doesn’t change that \looseness isn’t working in my project. But \updateparagraphproperties (see Hans’ message) helps, it’s just inconvenient. Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] no looseness in LMTX?
> Am 07.09.2021 um 14:07 schrieb Hans Hagen : > > On 9/7/2021 11:49 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: >> In my magazine and book projects, I sometimes fix pagebreaking by stretching >> paragraphs with \looseness=1 >> Unfortunately this works _in my project_ only with MkIV, i.e. \looseness has >> no effect with LMTX. >> I tried different examples (e.g. the attached file) and can’t reproduce the >> problem, there MkIV and LMTX always behave the same. >> So it must be something in my settings. >> What could cause the difference? >> I tried English and German and different settings of alignment and tolerance. >> Might it be font dependent? > > explained in manuals ... > > \startlinenumbering > \startparagraph > Weit .. beirren. > \stopparagraph > \stoplinenumbering > > \startlinenumbering > \startparagraph\looseness=+2 > Weit .. beirren. > \stopparagraph > \stoplinenumbering > > \startlinenumbering > \startparagraph > Weit .. beirren. > \looseness=+2\updateparagraphproperties\stopparagraph > \stoplinenumbering > > in lmxt we freeze the properties set when a paragraph starts (contrary to > using the last set value which actually fails when you set it inside a group) > > so, when you change some property mid paragraph you need to update the > properties in order for them to be effective (can be done for looseness only > if really needed); that works independent of grouping so it's more robust Ok, but I thought I needed to use \looseness directly at the beginning of the paragraph, since it’s forgotten after the next \par? HR ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] no looseness in LMTX?
On 9/7/2021 11:49 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: In my magazine and book projects, I sometimes fix pagebreaking by stretching paragraphs with \looseness=1 Unfortunately this works _in my project_ only with MkIV, i.e. \looseness has no effect with LMTX. I tried different examples (e.g. the attached file) and can’t reproduce the problem, there MkIV and LMTX always behave the same. So it must be something in my settings. What could cause the difference? I tried English and German and different settings of alignment and tolerance. Might it be font dependent? explained in manuals ... \startlinenumbering \startparagraph Weit .. beirren. \stopparagraph \stoplinenumbering \startlinenumbering \startparagraph\looseness=+2 Weit .. beirren. \stopparagraph \stoplinenumbering \startlinenumbering \startparagraph Weit .. beirren. \looseness=+2\updateparagraphproperties\stopparagraph \stoplinenumbering in lmxt we freeze the properties set when a paragraph starts (contrary to using the last set value which actually fails when you set it inside a group) so, when you change some property mid paragraph you need to update the properties in order for them to be effective (can be done for looseness only if really needed); that works independent of grouping so it's more robust so .. it's all about more control Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] no looseness in LMTX?
Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context schrieb am 07.09.2021 um 11:49: In my magazine and book projects, I sometimes fix pagebreaking by stretching paragraphs with \looseness=1 Unfortunately this works _in my project_ only with MkIV, i.e. \looseness has no effect with LMTX. I tried different examples (e.g. the attached file) and can’t reproduce the problem, there MkIV and LMTX always behave the same. So it must be something in my settings. What could cause the difference? I tried English and German and different settings of alignment and tolerance. Might it be font dependent? Do you enable protrusion and font expansion for your document font or is it just missing in your example? Have you checked if the alignment changes when you use the "extremestretch" keyword for \setupalign? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] no looseness in LMTX?
In my magazine and book projects, I sometimes fix pagebreaking by stretching paragraphs with \looseness=1 Unfortunately this works _in my project_ only with MkIV, i.e. \looseness has no effect with LMTX. I tried different examples (e.g. the attached file) and can’t reproduce the problem, there MkIV and LMTX always behave the same. So it must be something in my settings. What could cause the difference? I tried English and German and different settings of alignment and tolerance. Might it be font dependent? Hraban loosetest.tex Description: Binary data ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
