Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-24 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: This must be a bug in luatex, hyphenation is supposed to be identical but the whole algorithm is redone, and obviously not flawlessly. It seems there is (at least) a problem with all patterns that are supposed to

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-24 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: I wouldn't say it was elementary, but it is fixed now. Sometime later this week I will create a 0.30.3 (as this is a grave bug), but if you want to verify: the fix is in the source repository (#1576-1578). Best wishes, Taco Hi Taco, of

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-24 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: mkdir -p ../../libs/lua51 cd ../../libs/lua51 cp -f ../../../src/ texk/web2c/../../libs/lua51/* . make posix Makefile:25: *** missing separator. Stop. make: *** [../../libs/lua51/liblua.a] Error 2 Hope this is nothing too serious... It looks like your

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-24 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 24, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: It looks like your checkout is not complete (locally editted files?), line 25 of libs/lua51/Makefile should now be a commented-out line: #COCOCFLAGS= -DCOCO_USE_SETJMP Best wishes, Taco Strange. I deleted the Makefile and let svn

[NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
Hi all, something fishy is going on with hyphenation patterns for German in mkiv. Here's a minimal test file: \starttext {\de \hyphenatedword{sich}} \stoptext please compile with mkii and mkiv and see the difference. The word should of course not be hyphenated. All best Thomas

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, something fishy is going on with hyphenation patterns for German in mkiv. Here's a minimal test file: \starttext {\de \hyphenatedword{sich}} \stoptext please compile with mkii and mkiv and see the difference. The word should of course not be

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, something fishy is going on with hyphenation patterns for German in mkiv. Here's a minimal test file: \starttext {\de \hyphenatedword{sich}} \stoptext please compile with mkii and mkiv and see the

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, something fishy is going on with hyphenation patterns for German in mkiv. Here's a minimal test file: \starttext {\de \hyphenatedword{sich}} \stoptext please compile with mkii

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: I suspect the error is not in lefthyphenmin and righthyphenmin, but in the patterns themselves. Which patterns does mkiv actually use, and how have they been produced? It uses

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: I suspect the error is not in lefthyphenmin and righthyphenmin, but in the patterns themselves. Which patterns does mkiv actually use, and how have they been produced? It uses the patterns `dehypht-x' 2008-06-18 (WL) Wait!!! Have

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 22, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: PS: in LaTeX there is indeed a difference whether one uses pdfTeX or XeTeX/LuaTeX since the two engines load differente patterns, but in ConTeXt I see no reason for a different behaviour. Hmm, that's a nice understatement :-) Fact is that

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Nov 22, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: PS: in LaTeX there is indeed a difference whether one uses pdfTeX or XeTeX/LuaTeX since the two engines load differente patterns, but in ConTeXt I see no reason for a different behaviour. Hmm, that's a nice

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 22, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: what does xetex, pdftex, luatex report for: {\de \thelefthyphenmin blabla} \the\lefthyphenmin is 2 in all engines ___ If your question is of interest to others as

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: I suspect the error is not in lefthyphenmin and righthyphenmin, but in the patterns themselves. Which patterns does mkiv actually use, and how have they been produced? It uses the patterns `dehypht-x'

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Nov 22, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: what does xetex, pdftex, luatex report for: {\de \thelefthyphenmin blabla} \the\lefthyphenmin is 2 in all engines ok, luatex has a reimplemented hyphenation machinery so that may be a reason; another can be that we

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: I suspect the error is not in lefthyphenmin and righthyphenmin, but in the patterns themselves. Which patterns does mkiv actually use, and how have they been

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: My fear is that there could be some tiny difference in that reimplementation of hyphenation algorithm. Most words hyphenate properly and equally in both engines. This is the first counter-example that I have seen. But that might be something

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: What I don't understand: doesn't mkiv/luatex use the same patterns that XeTeX uses? Then why the deuce does it show different hyphenation? For German users, this is pretty serious, a hyphenation like niedli-ch is really bad and neither in traditional nor

Re: [NTG-context] patterns for German in mkiv

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: This must be a bug in luatex, hyphenation is supposed to be identical but the whole algorithm is redone, and obviously not flawlessly. It seems there is (at least) a problem with all patterns that are supposed to end a word. For example,