[NTG-context] standard for bibliographies
There used to be discussions about some common standard for storing bibliographies. I'm testing http://www.mendeley.com/ and would like to export to ConTeXt-friendly database (bibtex export is supported). It seems that for that one would have to use http://citationstyles.org/ so I will try to figure out if The Citation Style Language can be used to export data to what is currently required by ConTeXt. But if you are thinking about xml-based format for the future, it might be worth taking a look at the second website. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] standard for bibliographies
On 05/10/2012 01:29 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: There used to be discussions about some common standard for storing bibliographies. I'm testing http://www.mendeley.com/ and would like to export to ConTeXt-friendly database (bibtex export is supported). It seems that for that one would have to use http://citationstyles.org/ so I will try to figure out if The Citation Style Language can be used to export data to what is currently required by ConTeXt. But if you are thinking about xml-based format for the future, it might be worth taking a look at the second website. Just a very quick note: CSL has been developed by Bruce D'Arcus, who used to be pretty active on the context list a couple of years ago, so you might be able to get some help there. I tried using zotero for a while and also looked at CSL, but in the end, I gave up. It is based on xml, but I couldn't get my head around it and was just hitting too many limitations. But that may have been me, maybe you have more success! All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] standard for bibliographies
On 05/10/2012 01:35 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: but I couldn't get my head around it and was just hitting too many limitations And a short follow-up (because Mojca's question made me google this again): one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. Reference (there are more threads): http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/3031/book-section-link-to-book-entered-once/ Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] standard for bibliographies
On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries -- that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited, though, so I could be wrong about this. At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ). Pont ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] standard for bibliographies
On 10-5-2012 19:25, Pontus Lurcock wrote: On Thu 10 May 2012, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: one glaring omission to me was the lack of support for cross-references within bibliographical lists (e.g., you have a chapter in a book and want to refer back to item X in your list). This has been asked again and again on the zotero forums. Answer 2007: yes, this is coming real soon now. 2008: Well, it needs support from CSL, and may be a bit longer. 2009-2011: more requests, no reply. 2012, one of the developers: not any time soon... This makes CSL worthless to me, I'm afraid. This is certainly a limitation for Zotero (I noticed it as well when I tried it out a little while ago) but I'm not sure that it's a problem for CSL. As I understand it, CSL defines formatting for typeset citations and bibliography entries. It's not meant to handle tasks such as cross-referencing chapter entries to their book entries -- that should be the job of the software (Zotero, Mendeley, etc.) which is using CSL for its formatting. My experience with CSL is limited, though, so I could be wrong about this. At any rate, CSL seems to be achieving a critical mass of usage and support, and there's a huge number of predefined, publicly available styles ( https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/wiki ). It should not be that hard to support it if only I had a reason to spend time on it (as I never need to use citations etc). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
