Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-13 Thread Hans Hagen

Hi (not yet back but back) Mojca,


PS: I don't dare to claim anything, but from my faint memories I think
that metafun format doesn't regenerate once a new version of metapost
comes out (I may be wrong, I would need to test, this really happens
in extremely rare cases).


in mkiv i check the version when i load metafun but in mkii this cannot 
be done conveniently (at least not at the cost of much more runtime)



For mkii the above solution doesn't work in circumstances where I
expected it to work (or maybe I don't understand how it's supposed to
work), but I'll try to check later.


it should force a metafun remake whenever you remake a tex format

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 13:33, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 20:09, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>>>
 no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i
 run
 first-setup.sh?
>>>
>>> They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by
>>> redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?
>>
>> I seriously think that something is wrong with luatex formats (if I
>> remember correctly due to seemingly different paths).
>>
>> Hans, would it be possible to generate metafun format on the fly, the
>> same way as luatex format? That would be the best solution.
>
> in tex.rb patch aroun dline 678:
>
>            else
>                report("unable to make format due to lack of permissions")
>                texformatpath = ''
>                setvariable('error','no permissions to write')
>            end
>            if not mpsformats then
>                # we want metafun to be in sync
>                setvariable('mpsformats',defaultmpsformats)
>                mpsformats = validmpsformat(getarrayvariable('mpsformats'))
>            end
>        else
>            texformatpath = ''
>        end
>
> so, add the "if not mpsformats then .. end"

Hello Hans,

Thanks a lot, but for some reason this doesn't help. I'll take a
closer look once I'm back (in October) for both mkii and mkiv.

Mojca

PS: I don't dare to claim anything, but from my faint memories I think
that metafun format doesn't regenerate once a new version of metapost
comes out (I may be wrong, I would need to test, this really happens
in extremely rare cases).

For mkii the above solution doesn't work in circumstances where I
expected it to work (or maybe I don't understand how it's supposed to
work), but I'll try to check later.

PPS: I need to test for the behaviour being claimed in this mail; once I'm back.
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-12 Thread Hans Hagen

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 20:09, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i run
first-setup.sh?

They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by
redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?


I seriously think that something is wrong with luatex formats (if I
remember correctly due to seemingly different paths).

Hans, would it be possible to generate metafun format on the fly, the
same way as luatex format? That would be the best solution.


in tex.rb patch aroun dline 678:

else
report("unable to make format due to lack of permissions")
texformatpath = ''
setvariable('error','no permissions to write')
end
if not mpsformats then
# we want metafun to be in sync
setvariable('mpsformats',defaultmpsformats)
mpsformats = validmpsformat(getarrayvariable('mpsformats'))
end
else
texformatpath = ''
end

so, add the "if not mpsformats then .. end"

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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-12 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 20:09, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>> no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i run
>> first-setup.sh?
>
> They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by
> redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?

I seriously think that something is wrong with luatex formats (if I
remember correctly due to seemingly different paths).

Hans, would it be possible to generate metafun format on the fly, the
same way as luatex format? That would be the best solution.

But we need to figure out what exactly is or was wrong with luatex formats.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-11 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?

\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext

You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i run 
first-setup.sh?


They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by 
redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-11 Thread Mohamed Bana

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


i think this is a bug.

system  : module HorizontalStripes loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex 


simpleslides: loading HorizontalStripes style



The log has some lines like this:

mplib   : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
mplib   : making 'metafun.mp' into
'/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun 


.mem'
mplib   : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
'/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun 


.mem'


Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?

\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext

You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i 
run first-setup.sh?


Aditya

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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-10 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 17:44, Mohamed Bana wrote:
> can someone please confirm if
> ...
> mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
> --engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
> --extras="t-simplesides,t-tikz" $@
> in first-setup.sh fetches the latest module?

It's supposed to fetch the following version:

http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/modules/t-simpleslides/tex/context/third/simpleslides/
(around end of June)

Did we miss any version?

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-10 Thread Mohamed Bana
can someone please confirm if
...
mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
--engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
--extras="*t-simplesides*,t-tikz"
$@

in first-setup.sh fetches the latest module?

2009/9/8 Aditya Mahajan 

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>  i think this is a bug.
>>
>> system  : module HorizontalStripes loaded
>>
>> (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
>> simpleslides: loading HorizontalStripes style
>>
>>
> The log has some lines like this:
>
> mplib   : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
> mplib   : making 'metafun.mp' into
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
> mplib   : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
>
>
> Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?
>
> \starttext
> \startMPpage
> draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
> \stopMPpage
> \stoptext
>
> You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
>
>
> Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Mohamed Bana
can someone please confirm if
...
mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
--engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
--extras="*t-simplesides*,t-tikz"
$@

in first-setup.sh fetches the latest module?

- Mohamed


2009/9/8 Aditya Mahajan 

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>  i think this is a bug.
>>
>> system  : module HorizontalStripes loaded
>>
>> (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
>> simpleslides: loading HorizontalStripes style
>>
>>
> The log has some lines like this:
>
> mplib   : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
> mplib   : making 'metafun.mp' into
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
> mplib   : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
>
>
> Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?
>
> \starttext
> \startMPpage
> draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
> \stopMPpage
> \stoptext
>
> You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
>
>
> Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Hans Hagen

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:


Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;


Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.


just a remark: best stick to lowercase filenames for modules etc; less 
confusing and error prone


I find long lowercase filenames to be hard to read. By error prone, do 
you mean chances of a human typo, or potential filesystem errors on 
Windows (which does not distinguish between uppercase and lowercase 
filenames)?


in general such long names are probably not read (and in mkiv i do a 
lookup for lowercase anyway in case of no match)


(also, the above name looks funny as it's no SimpleSlides)

it's no problem to use HorizontalStripes in you ruser interface and 
lowercase in filenames


but indeed the fact that we have case-insensitive filesystems are also a 
reason


Hans


ps. in project my experience is that quite some problems come from 
filename mismatches in sources and resources (mixed case, funny chars, 
one of more spaces in a row, etc) esp third party graphics


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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:


Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;


Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.


just a remark: best stick to lowercase filenames for modules etc; less 
confusing and error prone


I find long lowercase filenames to be hard to read. By error prone, do you 
mean chances of a human typo, or potential filesystem errors on Windows 
(which does not distinguish between uppercase and lowercase filenames)?


Aditya

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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


i think this is a bug.

system  : module HorizontalStripes loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
simpleslides: loading HorizontalStripes style



The log has some lines like this:

mplib   : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
mplib   : making 'metafun.mp' into
'/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
.mem'
mplib   : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
'/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
.mem'


Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?

\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext

You can try to regenerate the metafun format.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Hans Hagen

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;


Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.


just a remark: best stick to lowercase filenames for modules etc; less 
confusing and error prone


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Mohamed Bana
i think this is a bug.

system  : module HorizontalStripes loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
simpleslides: loading HorizontalStripes style


simpeslides is fetched when the minimals is downloaded

first-setup.sh;

...
mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
--engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
--extras="*t-simplesides*,t-tikz"
$@

- Mohamed


2009/9/8 Aditya Mahajan 

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>  i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;
>>
>
> Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.
>
>  \usemodule[simpleslides]
>> [style=HorizontalStripes,
>> color=blue]
>> ...
>> \startitemize
>> \item Demo.
>> \stopitemize
>>
>
> Normally, backgrounds only work if you specify a \SlideTitle.
>
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test.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


test.tex
Description: TeX document
(test.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2009.08.30 12:25 MKIV  fmt: 2009.9.8  int: english/english

system  : cont-new loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv))
system  : cont-fil loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading : ConTeXt File Synonyms
)
system  : cont-sys.rme loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-tmf.mkiv)) (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.mkiv)) (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv)))
system  : test.top loaded
%
%	begin of optionfile
%
%	% runtime options files (command line driven)
%	\unprotect
%	% special commands, mostly for the ctx development team
%	% feedback and basic job control
%	% handy for special styles
%	\startluacode
%	document = document or { }
%	document.arguments={
%	}
%	document.files={
%	 "test",
%	}
%	\stopluacode
%	% process info
%	\setupsystem[\c!n=1,\c!m=1]
%	\setupsystem[\c!type=unix]
%	% modes
%	% options (not that important)
%	\startsetups *runtime:options
%	\setupoutput[pdftex]
%	\stopsetups
%	% styles and modules
%	\startsetups *runtime:modules
%	\stopsetups
%	% done
%	\protect \endinput
%
%	end of optionfile
%
(test.top)
fonts   : preloading latin modern fonts
bodyfont: 12pt rm is loaded
language: language en is active
system  : module simpleslides loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/t-simpleslides.tex
loading : module simpleslides
system  : module default loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-default.tex
simpleslides: loading default style setup
color   : system all is global activated
)
system  : module HorizontalStripes loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
simpleslides: loading HorizontalStripes style
system  : command NormalHeight is already defined
system  : command NormalWidth is already defined
system  : command PictureFrameHeight is already defined
system  : command PictureFrameWidth is already defined
)
system  : module default loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-f-default.tex
simpleslides: loading default font setup
fonts   : beware: fontclass ignored (if needed use: [fontclass][size][settings])
fonts   : beware: fontclass ignored (if needed use: [fontclass][size][settings])
fonts   : beware: fontclass ignored (if needed use: [fontclass][size][settings])
))
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:


i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;


Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.


\usemodule[simpleslides]
[style=HorizontalStripes,
color=blue]
...
\startitemize
\item Demo.
\stopitemize


Normally, backgrounds only work if you specify a \SlideTitle.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-08 Thread Mohamed Bana

is hanging still broken or is there new syntax?

i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;

\usemodule[simpleslides]
[style=HorizontalStripes,
color=blue]
...
\startitemize
 \item Demo.
\stopitemize

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 00:30, Mohamed Bana wrote:
  

hello all,

what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and

$ luatex --version  This is LuaTeX, Version
beta-0.40.1-2009051315

didn't have protruding support.

is it safe to upgrade?



If seriously in doubt, just create a parallel tree and try to use the
parallel tree for some time. If it fails you can still fall back to
the old tree.

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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-07 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 00:30, Mohamed Bana wrote:
> hello all,
>
> what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and
>
> $ luatex --version                              This is LuaTeX, Version
> beta-0.40.1-2009051315
>
> didn't have protruding support.
>
> is it safe to upgrade?

If seriously in doubt, just create a parallel tree and try to use the
parallel tree for some time. If it fails you can still fall back to
the old tree.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-07 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Mohamed Bana wrote:
> hello all,
>
> what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and
>
> $ luatex --version                              This is LuaTeX, Version
> beta-0.40.1-2009051315
>
> didn't have protruding support.
>
> is it safe to upgrade?
IMHO you should always have the latest

-- 
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[NTG-context] status of minimals

2009-09-07 Thread Mohamed Bana
hello all,

what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and

$ luatex --version  This is LuaTeX, Version
beta-0.40.1-2009051315

didn't have protruding support.

is it safe to upgrade?


Mohamed
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