Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
On 9/26/07, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Why we need to set almost all in setuptex.bat, while the same vars
(except Windows' PATH) are already set in texmf.cnf?
well, this is not recent, but has aways been the case; in setuptex i
make sure that no conflicts can arise between different trees; so one
can have multiple trees installed, without clashed; you don't wanna know
what can happen (and how much time it costs to find out and fix) if some
installer has set variables at the outer shell level; i just don't want
to take any risk here
So what environment variables can I set globally to avoid the need for
running setuptex.bat? My first guess is:
OSFONTDIR=%SystemRoot%\fonts
SETUPTEX=done
CTXMINIMAL=yes
TEXPATH=C:\...whatever the path is...\context\tex\
TEXMFMAIN=%TEXPATH%\texmf
TEXMFOS=%TEXPATH%\texmf-mswin
TEXMFPROJECT=%TEXPATH%\texmf-project
TEXMFFONTS=%TEXPATH%\texmf-fonts
TEXMFLOCAL=%TEXPATH%\texmf-local
TEXMFEXTRA=%TEXPATH%\texmf-extra
TEXMFCNF=%TEXPATH%\texmf{-local,}\web2c
TEXPOOL=%TEXMFOS%/web2c\{$engine,}
TEXFORMATS=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
MPMEMS=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
MPPOOL=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
Path=%TEXMFOS%\BIN;%Path%
TEXMFCACHE=%TEMP%
VARTEXMF=%TEXMFCACHE%\texmf-var
TEXMF={$TEXMFOS,$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMFFONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
TEXMFDBS=$TEXMF
RUBYLIB=%TEXMFLOCAL%\SCRIPTS\CONTEXT\RUBY;
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Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Joel C. Salomon wrote:
On 9/26/07, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Why we need to set almost all in setuptex.bat, while the same vars
(except Windows' PATH) are already set in texmf.cnf?
well, this is not recent, but has aways been the case; in setuptex i
make sure that no conflicts can arise between different trees; so one
can have multiple trees installed, without clashed; you don't wanna know
what can happen (and how much time it costs to find out and fix) if some
installer has set variables at the outer shell level; i just don't want
to take any risk here
So what environment variables can I set globally to avoid the need for
running setuptex.bat? My first guess is:
OSFONTDIR=%SystemRoot%\fonts
if you want to use platform fonts indeed
SETUPTEX=done
CTXMINIMAL=yes
not if setuptex is not used
TEXPATH=C:\...whatever the path is...\context\tex\
TEXMFMAIN=%TEXPATH%\texmf
TEXMFOS=%TEXPATH%\texmf-mswin
TEXMFPROJECT=%TEXPATH%\texmf-project
TEXMFFONTS=%TEXPATH%\texmf-fonts
TEXMFLOCAL=%TEXPATH%\texmf-local
TEXMFEXTRA=%TEXPATH%\texmf-extra
depends on your trees
TEXMFCNF=%TEXPATH%\texmf{-local,}\web2c
handy indeed
TEXPOOL=%TEXMFOS%/web2c\{$engine,}
not for luatex/xetex
TEXFORMATS=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
not for luatex
MPMEMS=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
depends
MPPOOL=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
not needed any more
Path=%TEXMFOS%\BIN;%Path%
sure
TEXMFCACHE=%TEMP%
yes or use the defaults
VARTEXMF=%TEXMFCACHE%\texmf-var
not really used
TEXMF={$TEXMFOS,$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMFFONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
yes
TEXMFDBS=$TEXMF
dependes on kpse version i think
RUBYLIB=%TEXMFLOCAL%\SCRIPTS\CONTEXT\RUBY;
often not needed
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Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Hello,
So what environment variables can I set globally to avoid the need for
running setuptex.bat?
Personally I came to the following set of vars (for luatex):
PATH = G:\rsync\windows\texmf-mswin\bin;
OSFONTDIR = %WINDIR%\Fonts
TEXMF = {g:\rsync\windows\texmf,g:\rsync\windows\texmf-local}
TEXMFCACHE = %WINDIR%\Temp
TEXMFCNF = G:\rsync\windows\texmf{-local,}/web2c
LUAINPUTS = .;$TEXMF/tex/context/base;$TEXMF/scripts/context/lua
I use this set at the moment and luatex works (though, I use little features).
Best regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
On 9/30/07, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So what environment variables can I set globally to avoid the need for
running setuptex.bat? My first guess is:
snip
SETUPTEX=done
CTXMINIMAL=yes
not if setuptex is not used
CTXMINIMAL is also not needed?
TEXPATH=C:\...whatever the path is...\context\tex\
TEXMFMAIN=%TEXPATH%\texmf
TEXMFOS=%TEXPATH%\texmf-mswin
TEXMFPROJECT=%TEXPATH%\texmf-project
TEXMFFONTS=%TEXPATH%\texmf-fonts
TEXMFLOCAL=%TEXPATH%\texmf-local
TEXMFEXTRA=%TEXPATH%\texmf-extra
depends on your trees
Using the directory tree as stored in mswincontext as my starting point.
TEXPOOL=%TEXMFOS%/web2c\{$engine,}
not for luatex/xetex
TEXFORMATS=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
not for luatex
MPMEMS=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
depends
MPPOOL=%TEXMFOS%\web2c\{$engine,}
not needed any more
But setuptex still sets these. What does it mean, that TEXPOOL al.
aren't needed for luatex/xetex? Does MKII need them?
TEXMF={$TEXMFOS,$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMFFONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
yes
TEXMFDBS=$TEXMF
dependes on kpse version i think
I've been using %var% notation for parts that Windows expands when the
variable is defined, but I see UNIX-style $var here and there. Should
these be expanded at define-time also, or are these for the programs
that use them to understand?
I've got Perl, Python, and Ruby installed, I'm using mswincontext
and upgrades thereto as the only TeX distribution on the machine; I'd
like it to work as smoothly as MiKTeX does where it's installed --
i.e., replace setuptex with a machine-global set-up. And I'm willing
to jump through some hoops to find the right way so installation can
be made easier for others
--Joel
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Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Joel C. Salomon wrote: CTXMINIMAL is also not needed? depends on if it used, not if you go real minimal (more for calling scripts) But setuptex still sets these. What does it mean, that TEXPOOL al. aren't needed for luatex/xetex? Does MKII need them? not related to mkiv/mkii but to engines ... liatex has no pool file, xetex neither, pdftex soon will have no pool file and modern metaposts also lacks such a file I've been using %var% notation for parts that Windows expands when the variable is defined, but I see UNIX-style $var here and there. Should these be expanded at define-time also, or are these for the programs that use them to understand? $whatever is kpse syntax (which is some derivate to unix scripting) anyhow. %whatever% will be xpanded by the env var handler, and $whatever not, (on linux it may expand depending on escaping Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
So, to sum up: The tex engines should be accessible via PATH, OSFONTDIR is really handy; other than that only TEXPATH and TEXMF* are needed, since pool files (whatever they are) are on the way out. Seems straightforward enough, if that's complete. Is there any real point to creating an NSIS or Inno Setup install program for mswincontext, or is someone working onthat already? They both handle environment variables nicely, I've heard. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Mojca Miklavec wrote: Note that also three really important fixes have been added to XeTeX recently, so ConTeXt works much better with XeTeX 0.997. the bottom line is, that we need to make sure that we hav ethe most recent bins for all platforms before we can generate minimals It's the ConTeXt distribution, not the binaries which are broken. i'm a bit puzzled ... for pdftex, nothing changed, for luatex, indeed bins and zips need to be in sync (esp because there have been changes in the lua font code that needed adaptions in the mkiv code) and xetex ... well, that's an interplay between engine and macros and trying to adapt i think that luatex and xetex are fast moving targets so in most cases one needs to have updates of them and macro packages in sync; xetexs font syntax has changed over time, currently a feature was added to intercept problems but this is only on the latest bins, font searching is very engine dependent and also to some extend os dependent (upper/lowercase) etc etc anyhow, the dust will probably settle in a few weeks (new bins available everywhere) a tricky area is metapost ... since mp cannot handle open type we need to bend the rules sometimes and do ugly workarounds but we're getting there But note that there are still some problems: - wrong font size in XeTeX more a xetex problem - textext(...) in metapost doesn't work will never work completely if one uses different fonts in xetex and metapost in one document (well, it can work, but one had to make sure that the map stuff is sorted out then) - most probably others, not yet discovered we'll try to keep them hidden -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Hello Hans, Could you please answer my questions about recent Windows minimal? 1) Why we need to set almost all in setuptex.bat, while the same vars (except Windows' PATH) are already set in texmf.cnf? 2) How can I get rid of LM (and other) fonts completely? I want to use solely luatex and system fonts, but bound to have those monsters too. My area of interest is luatex only, since it is progressive, font-tolerant and powerful. :o) -- Best regards, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote: Hello Hans, Could you please answer my questions about recent Windows minimal? 1) Why we need to set almost all in setuptex.bat, while the same vars (except Windows' PATH) are already set in texmf.cnf? well, this is not recent, but has aways been the case; in setuptex i make sure that no conflicts can arise between different trees; so one can have multiple trees installed, without clashed; you don't wanna know what can happen (and how much time it costs to find out and fix) if some installer has set variables at the outer shell level; i just don't want to take any risk here 2) How can I get rid of LM (and other) fonts completely? I want to use solely luatex and system fonts, but bound to have those monsters too. just delete them but i would not delete the lm since they're used as fallbacks; if you want to default to something else, you need to tweak the initializations (maybe some day when the gyre math fonts are there i'll provide something for that); keep in mind that many tex users use tex for math and not having set up math will break al lot then My area of interest is luatex only, since it is progressive, font-tolerant and powerful. :o) well, the overhead of lm is not that large (maybe someday i'll ship zips and run the fonts from zips); a few cjk fonts in your system font path take more space -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Hello Hans, Just noticed that when making formats luatools skips texmf.cnt in both subtrees. Does it mean that .cnf files are not needed anymore by luatex, and it relies only on environmental vars? Best regards, Vyatcheslav ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
On 9/24/07, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote: Hello, Let me ask a few questions: 1) When big things will be regenerated? I'm still waiting for mswincontext with updated binaries. I cannot answer that since it's Hans's decision. But I can assure you that a lot has been happenng in the meantime, esp. considering font loading. However, no matter how many iterations of bug reporting bug fixing happen, new and new problems keep arising. Font loading in XeTeX has been broken since February (since the first tries to support OpenType LM instead of old TFM variants) and has only partially been fixed until now. And now, when finally the support has been improved, new problems have arised. Note that also three really important fixes have been added to XeTeX recently, so ConTeXt works much better with XeTeX 0.997. 2) What is the difference between mswincontext and mswintex packages? mswincontext also includes scite. Perhap's there's more that I'm not aware of, but the rest should be pretty the same. mswintex only includes binaries. You also need to download justtex. 3) If someone made mswincontext to work with latest updates, can he or she post how? After September 10 update of cont-tfm my installation produces broken pdfs, and even getting latest luatex from sourge didn't help. It's the ConTeXt distribution, not the binaries which are broken. You can download http://minimals.contextgarden.net/bin/windows/rsync/ and then use rsync -rvzctl rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/minimals/windows/ your-folder for the majority of the standard minimals or rsync -rvzctl rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/context/beta/ your-folder to get only a working version of ConTeXt or rsync -rvzctl rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/os/windows/ your-folder to get only the binaries. But it's all in an experimental stage, and it's far from complete, so take this only as a temporary solution. The structure of minimals will change, that's for sure, but you can use it now to compile your documents. But note that there are still some problems: - wrong font size in XeTeX - textext(...) in metapost doesn't work - most probably others, not yet discovered Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] still waiting for mswincontext
Hello, Let me ask a few questions: 1) When big things will be regenerated? I'm still waiting for mswincontext with updated binaries. 2) What is the difference between mswincontext and mswintex packages? 3) If someone made mswincontext to work with latest updates, can he or she post how? After September 10 update of cont-tfm my installation produces broken pdfs, and even getting latest luatex from sourge didn't help. Best regards, Vaytcheslav Yatskovsky ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
