Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-03-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 08:31:22PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: - The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no way to print the grave accent. (Grave accent will be automatically converted to the same

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-03-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:10:07AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote: (actually one of my reasons for never using `` '' is that it looks quite ugly in the source as the second pair is not tilted and i hate ugly looking sources) Since I'm using Inconsolata while reading this email, I had hard time

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-03-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 03:42:11PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:58, Alan BRASLAU wrote: I'm not sure that I understand the problem with ` (GRAVE ACCENT) that cannot be solved with a macro or by a setting that disactivates the production of ‘ (LEFT SINGLE QUOTE

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-02-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: % is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro \comment{something} better something like this where the comment ends at the end of

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-20 Thread Hans Hagen
On 20-1-2010 8:04, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Mojca Miklavec wrote: The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards, Let's be honest ... any French keyboard ... :) Don't forget macbook keyboards with dvorak mapping ;) and if i remember right mojca has a slovenian dvorak with some missing

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-20 Thread Hans Hagen
On 20-1-2010 8:28, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote: The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual as

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-20 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 10:10:07 Hans Hagen wrote: in principle we can even drop $ and as we now have primitives for them Can you explain? I ignore the primatives for $E=mc^2$. Whereas Mojca regrets $$ $$, I have long prefered \startformula\stopformula (or \begin{equation}\end{equation}

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-20 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi Alan, Alan BRASLAU wrote: Furthermore, some editors such as MS-Word break the source, substituting RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (Character: ’ U+2019) for APOSTROPHE (Character: ' U+0027) for some insane reason cited as the preferred character to be used for apostrophe. From the Unicode

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-20 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:58, Alan BRASLAU wrote: I'm not sure that I understand the problem with ` (GRAVE ACCENT) that cannot be solved with a macro or by a setting that disactivates the production of ‘ (LEFT SINGLE QUOTE MARK). Try to process the following with XeTeX (I would be grateful

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Let me be a bit more nationalistic and exaggerate a bit for a moment (just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one; do not take the text below too seriously or personally): On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 14:15, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Monday 18 January 2010 13:50:25 Taco Hoekwater

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Mojca Miklavec wrote: This can be a bit disturbing for experienced TeX users. - The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no way to print the grave accent. (Grave accent will be

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 20:31:22 Mojca Miklavec wrote: Let me be a bit more nationalistic and exaggerate a bit for a moment (just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one; do not take the text below too seriously or personally): I think that the easiest would be for

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 19.01.10 21:10, schrieb Alan BRASLAU: You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc. and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)? How about % (\%)? Not to mention $ and are no problem because

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 19.01.10 21:10, schrieb Alan BRASLAU: You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc. and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)? How about % (\%)?

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Tuesday 19 January 2010 20:31:22 Mojca Miklavec wrote: Let me be a bit more nationalistic and exaggerate a bit for a moment (just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one; do not take the text below too seriously or personally):

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 19.01.10 21:26, schrieb Aditya Mahajan: % is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro \comment{something} or \startcomment ... \stopcomment what about \starttext text Auf% lage text \stoptext or

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 19.01.10 21:26, schrieb Aditya Mahajan: % is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro \comment{something} or \startcomment ... \stopcomment what about

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Hans Hagen
On 19-1-2010 21:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote: and just as we expect fl to yield fl, we also learn many bad tricks more precisely: as tex turns fl into fl without distinction between languages we have come to expect that to be the case such as ``'' and ... i must admit that i've never used those

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 21:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote: I think that the easiest would be for everyone to use English :) That's my bit for Imperialism! But then there would be plenty of historians trying to reproduce the old languages, just as Idris does. So nothing would be gained :) :) :) As I

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Jan 19 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote: My own computers are US International. However, I often use other computers having different layouts, many of which I cannot change. The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards, as when I use them, I always have to remember how to find \ and {}

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Mojca Miklavec wrote: The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards, Let's be honest ... any French keyboard ... :) Don't forget macbook keyboards with dvorak mapping ;) I agree with that ... but there's a general problem with (unmaintaned) documentation in ConTeXt. There is the

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote: The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual as thoroughly as they should). This

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-19 Thread Peter Münster
On Wed, Jan 20 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote: What I also find disturbing is that *some* of these conventions are retained, but not all. Since most people use fixed width fonts in their editors, it is difficult to distinguish between – (en-dash), — (em-dash) and - (hyphen-minus). So -- and --- are

[NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-18 Thread views63
Hi all, I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong. but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quotation marks The example: \starttext `` complex analysis'' \quotation{complex analysis} \stoptext -- Best Regards attachment:

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-18 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi, views63 wrote: Hi all, I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong. Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;) but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quotation marks This is the right way to do it. Alternatively, you can use

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-18 Thread views63
2010/1/18 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com Hi, views63 wrote: Hi  all, I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong. Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;) but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quotation marks This is the

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-18 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Monday 18 January 2010 13:50:25 Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi, views63 wrote: Hi all, I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong. Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;) but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quotation marks

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-18 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
2010/1/18 Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr: I have very mixed feelings, as I know how to type ... but I never can recall the keyboard gymnastics necessary to get this in unicode. (Things are even worse on a Mac, as the standard keyboard layout is missing lots of important characters.) At

Re: [NTG-context] using `` '' the output is wrong.

2010-01-18 Thread Hans Hagen
On 18-1-2010 14:15, Alan BRASLAU wrote: This is true of many standard TeX ligatures (is this the right word here?) actually they are inoput tricks misusing tex's ligature mechanism and there are also some weird ones (never used in practice) such as ... (\ldots, \dots also works), (\og),