Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-22 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/19/18 8:24 AM, luigi scarso wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:48 PM Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > > I tried to experiment (modifying TeX Gyre Pagella from 1000 to > UPM), but for some reason, I wasn’t able to load the font. > > hm.  > Weird. Many thanks for your in-depth explaination,

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-19 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Luigi, Many thanks for this information-packed summary, it’s very uselful and I even learned a thing or two :-) Best, Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well,

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-19 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:48 PM Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > > I tried to experiment (modifying TeX Gyre Pagella from 1000 to > UPM), but for some reason, I wasn’t able to load the font. > hm. Weird. Assuming ttx from fontools $> ttx texgyrepagella-regular.otf $> cp

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-18 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/18/18 10:37 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Hi Pablo, > > Let me go back an try to answer the original question: > [...] > Nothing more, nothing less. Many thanks for your explanation, Taco. I think the basic issue is clear to me now: different typefaces may have different dimensions (when

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-18 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/18/2018 10:37 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi Pablo, Let me go back an try to answer the original question: On 15 Oct 2018, at 21:21, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: Dear list, sorry for this basic question, but what defines the size in a font? The font designer decides on the ‘natural’ size

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-18 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 6:15 PM Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > On 10/17/18 11:13 AM, luigi scarso wrote: > > [...] > > Nice to/must have : > > > > Fonts & Encodings > > Book by Yannis Haralambous > > > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/ > > and pdf at > > >

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-18 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi Pablo, Let me go back an try to answer the original question: > On 15 Oct 2018, at 21:21, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > > Dear list, > > sorry for this basic question, but what defines the size in a font? The font designer decides on the ‘natural’ size of the font. There are two parts to

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-18 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/18/2018 9:54 AM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:14:21PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: I tried to show that the em square is the fixed measure. It’s not. You misunderstand. You sent an example \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \framed{M}

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-18 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:14:21PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > I tried to show that the em square is the fixed measure. It’s not. You misunderstand. You sent an example \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \framed{M} \framed{\tfxx M} \framed{\tfd M}

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Alan Braslau
On 17/10/2018 11:10, Alan Braslau wrote: On 17/10/2018 11:05, Hans Hagen wrote: And compare it to sizing dogs or so ... what do you measure? Its tail or its legs. Of course, horses are measured in "hands"... Alan

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Alan Braslau
On 17/10/2018 11:05, Hans Hagen wrote: And compare it to sizing dogs or so ... what do you measure? Its tail or its legs. Or, for Arthur: neck circumference, arm length, shirttail length, shoulder width, waist size, ... Alan ;-)

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/17/2018 6:14 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 10/17/18 11:02 AM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:48:41PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: [...] It’s less clear what you’re trying to do next: [...] What are you trying to demonstrate with this? If you change the size

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/17/18 11:13 AM, luigi scarso wrote: > [...] > Nice to/must have : > > Fonts & Encodings > Book by Yannis Haralambous > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/ > and pdf at  > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opbuildpdf/TOC.pdf?branch=live Many thanks for the references,

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/17/18 11:02 AM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:48:41PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > [...] > It’s less clear what you’re trying to do next: >> [...] > What are you trying to demonstrate with this? If you change the size > of the font, obviously the glyphs have

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/17/18 12:59 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 10/16/2018 7:48 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > >> I tried to experiment (modifying TeX Gyre Pagella from 1000 to >> UPM), but for some reason, I wasn’t able to load the font. > Messing with such value is asking for problems and you can be sure that

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:51 PM Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > On 10/15/18 10:59 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> If two fonts have the same size, I think there may be a dimension which > >>> has the same length in both. Which one is this? > >> > >> None. The font decides about its size. > >

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 07:48:41PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > I cannot claim that I understand his explanation, but it seems that > there is something about the em quad The em quad has the same width as the font size, that’s correct. But it still doesn’t mean that any part of any glyph in

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-17 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:07:38 +0200 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer: > I quite liked the idea of the font itself deciding on its size, of its > own free will ;-) ;-) That's an application of Gödel's incompleteness theorems: with some level of complexity and lookups strange loops und true but

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/16/2018 7:48 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: I tried to experiment (modifying TeX Gyre Pagella from 1000 to UPM), but for some reason, I wasn’t able to load the font. Messing with such value is asking for problems and you can be sure that I won't waste time on looking issues resulting

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-16 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2018-10-16 um 19:50 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez : > On 10/15/18 10:59 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [...] If two fonts have the same size, I think there may be a dimension which has the same length in both. Which one is this? >>> >>> None. The font decides about its size. >> actually, the

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/15/18 10:59 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> [...] >>> If two fonts have the same size, I think there may be a dimension which >>> has the same length in both. Which one is this? >> >> None. The font decides about its size. > actually, the designer ... anyway, one can compare 10pt dejavu with 10pt

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-16 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/15/18 10:02 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote: > Am Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:21:32 +0200 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez: >> [...] >> If two fonts have the same size, I think there may be a dimension which >> has the same length in both. Which one is this? > > None. The font decides about its size. Many thanks

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-16 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/16/2018 9:07 AM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:59:57PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 10/15/2018 10:02 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote: None. The font decides about its size. actually, the designer ... I quite liked the idea of the font itself deciding on its size, of

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-16 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:59:57PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 10/15/2018 10:02 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote: >> None. The font decides about its size. > actually, the designer ... I quite liked the idea of the font itself deciding on its size, of its own free will ;-) To stress the point,

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-15 Thread Hans Hagen
On 10/15/2018 10:02 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote: Am Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:21:32 +0200 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez: Dear list, sorry for this basic question, but what defines the size in a font? I mean, we can take TeX Gyre Bonum and TeX Gyre Adventor at twelve points. x-height is different, M-width

Re: [NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-15 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:21:32 +0200 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez: > Dear list, > > sorry for this basic question, but what defines the size in a font? > > I mean, we can take TeX Gyre Bonum and TeX Gyre Adventor at twelve > points. x-height is different, M-width is slightly different. > > I thought

[NTG-context] what defines the font size?

2018-10-15 Thread Pablo Rodriguez
Dear list, sorry for this basic question, but what defines the size in a font? I mean, we can take TeX Gyre Bonum and TeX Gyre Adventor at twelve points. x-height is different, M-width is slightly different. I thought it was the same A-height, but it isn’t. If two fonts have the same size, I