[NTG-context] ConTeXt manual

2026-03-17 Thread a.f.otten--- via ntg-context


  
  
Hi All,

I want to congratulate Hraban on his ConTeXt manual 'Druksachen
gestalten
mit ConTeXt und LuaMetaTeX'. Impressive work. It was worth the wait!
😉 

Hans brought a copy from Dantes Frühjahrstagung and it is now on my
desk.

For non German speakers: don't let the German title mislead you.
Although the
main text is in German, Hraban uses the English command interface
for his
examples. I think that is an excellent choice. In that way a lot of
ConTeXt
secrets are uncovered without you having to understand the running
text
completely. Also because the examples are eye catchers and the
moment you wonder
how it is done you see the English ConTeXt code nearby.

It is great to have a physical ConTeXt manual on my desk. A real
book with its own 
ISB number. The first one in ConTeXts history. I consider it a
milestone. I scolded Hans for 
not having his copy signed by Hraban. 
The manual certainly beats the PDF files on my screen. And the
manual 
is such a nice distraction when ConTeXt is busy processing my own
projects.

@Hraban: thanks.
Greetings, Ton 

  

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-27 Thread Peter Münster
On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Marco Patzer wrote:

> More importantly I would like to see people actually contributing.

+1

And it would be no problem for me (and for other contextman members) to
apply contributed patches. Whoever wants to contribute without worrying
about the VCS can send a patch here.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-27 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2013–09–26 Peter Münster wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> 
> > Wouldn't it be better to move the manuals to github rather than keeping them
> > on an svn server?
> 
> Why?

In my opinion, for the “3 commits per year” it doesn't really matter
which version control system is being used. No particular git
feature is required for such a simple and low-traffic code base as
the manual.

For me it's more a choice of infrastructure. It is easier to
collaborate on github. It's popular, people know how to use it and
it doesn't require an invitation. Github's GUI is more friendly to
beginners not familiar with revision control systems. The simpler it
is to contribute the more likely it is for people to do so.

But, I agree, there are valid reasons to stay with supelec, the main
one being that it's already there. Still, I would support a change.
More importantly I would like to see people actually contributing.

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Thangalin
+π from me.

My preference would be BitBucket (slightly simpler than github and allows
for free private repositories), but, either way, the result is the same:
fewer steps to updating the manual. Moving away from svn to git is also a
step in the right direction, IMO.

One aspect of wikis that I thoroughly enjoy is the ability to fix something
(contribute) immediately. Moving to a web-based repository for the manual
removes barriers (such as waiting upon moderated approvals whilst the
moderator vacations) to letting people contribute to projects. Throw in a
nightly build (with blaming) to ensure that the manual compile is never
broken (for long).

Regards.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Mica Semrick
@Peter github makes collaboration quite painless. Users can manage their
own accounts.

+1 for github from me too!


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Peter Münster  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't it be better to move the manuals to github rather than keeping
> them
> > on an svn server?
>
> Why?
>
> --
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Peter Münster
On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> Wouldn't it be better to move the manuals to github rather than keeping them
> on an svn server?

Why?

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2013–09–26 Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> Wouldn't it be better to move the manuals to github rather than
> keeping them on an svn server?

+1

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2013–09–26 Thangalin wrote:

> I registered an account, but have not seen any confirmation.

Supelec has problems with the mail system at the moment. So Taco
doesn't get a notification if someone requests commit access. I cc'd
him, so he should get notified that way. In case you still don't get
a confirmation, wait until next week, then he'll be back.

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013, Thangalin wrote:


Hi,

I registered an account, but have not seen any confirmation.

Kindest regards.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Marco Patzer  wrote:


On 2013–09–21 Marco Patzer wrote:


I did not have the ConTeXt manual source code on hand, so I could
not directly modify it.


  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals

Do not count on someone else to fix it. Create an account and fix
what you think could be improved, especially the grammar and
spelling mistakes. If you're unsure about something, write a mail to
the manual mailing list¹ for questions about the manual (style,
layout, etc.) or this list for everything else.

Note: The manual has not been updated since a while and it's broken
at the moment. I'll prepare a fix soon, so it will compile with a
recent MkIV.


I committed a fix today and now it should compile again. I did not
fix any of your suggestions. You are invited to fix the source or
send in a patch. I or someone else can review and merge them.

The dedicated mailing list for the manual seems to be broken at the
moment. Using this list for manual discussions is also fine, I guess.


Wouldn't it be better to move the manuals to github rather than keeping 
them on an svn server?


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Thangalin
Hi,

I registered an account, but have not seen any confirmation.

Kindest regards.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Marco Patzer  wrote:

> On 2013–09–21 Marco Patzer wrote:
>
> > > I did not have the ConTeXt manual source code on hand, so I could
> > > not directly modify it.
> >
> >   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals
> >
> > Do not count on someone else to fix it. Create an account and fix
> > what you think could be improved, especially the grammar and
> > spelling mistakes. If you're unsure about something, write a mail to
> > the manual mailing list¹ for questions about the manual (style,
> > layout, etc.) or this list for everything else.
> >
> > Note: The manual has not been updated since a while and it's broken
> > at the moment. I'll prepare a fix soon, so it will compile with a
> > recent MkIV.
>
> I committed a fix today and now it should compile again. I did not
> fix any of your suggestions. You are invited to fix the source or
> send in a patch. I or someone else can review and merge them.
>
> The dedicated mailing list for the manual seems to be broken at the
> moment. Using this list for manual discussions is also fine, I guess.
>
> Marco
>
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-26 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2013–09–21 Marco Patzer wrote:

> > I did not have the ConTeXt manual source code on hand, so I could
> > not directly modify it.
> 
>   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals
> 
> Do not count on someone else to fix it. Create an account and fix
> what you think could be improved, especially the grammar and
> spelling mistakes. If you're unsure about something, write a mail to
> the manual mailing list¹ for questions about the manual (style,
> layout, etc.) or this list for everything else.
> 
> Note: The manual has not been updated since a while and it's broken
> at the moment. I'll prepare a fix soon, so it will compile with a
> recent MkIV.

I committed a fix today and now it should compile again. I did not
fix any of your suggestions. You are invited to fix the source or
send in a patch. I or someone else can review and merge them.

The dedicated mailing list for the manual seems to be broken at the
moment. Using this list for manual discussions is also fine, I guess.

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-21 Thread Marco Patzer
On 2013–09–18 Thangalin wrote:

Hi Dave,

> During a recent plane ride, I started to read the ConTeXt manual
> to get a better understanding:
> http://www.ctex.org/documents/context/cont-enp.pdf

A more recent manual can be found at

  http://pmrb.free.fr/contextref.pdf

> If anyone has plans to revise it,

I assume everybody on this list had at some point plans to revise
the manual(s). Due to lack of time this has never happened.

> I have attached a file with corrections, specific comments, and
> general comments.

Thanks a lot for the corrections and suggestions.

> I did not have the ConTeXt manual source code on hand, so I could
> not directly modify it.

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals

Do not count on someone else to fix it. Create an account and fix
what you think could be improved, especially the grammar and
spelling mistakes. If you're unsure about something, write a mail to
the manual mailing list¹ for questions about the manual (style,
layout, etc.) or this list for everything else.

Note: The manual has not been updated since a while and it's broken
at the moment. I'll prepare a fix soon, so it will compile with a
recent MkIV.

> Take the comments with a grain of salt:

Take the existing manuals with a grain of salt ;)

> ConTeXT Manual Errata & Suggestions
> ===
> 
> Section 1.3.
> 
> The word "something" needs to be defined before it is used.
> For example, "\setupsomething" <- What does "something" mean?

A placeholder like foobar or whatever. I think it's clear from the
context, otherwise feel free to define it.

> The \defineenumeration[Question] creates a \Question command,
> but \definehead[Procedure][section] does not create \Procedure command?

It does:

\definehead [Procedure] [section]
\starttext
  \Procedure{something}
\stoptext

However, I'd suggest to instead use:

\startProcedure [title=something]
  …
\stopProcedure

> The \startnarrower requires an explanation on how it affects the
> resulting document. Likewise \startitemnize.

Feel free to add some info from the wiki.

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startnarrower
  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations

> What does the "of" in "\beginofAnswer" mean? Is it required?

It's not required. It's actually wrong.

> Where does it come from? Why is it not simply "\beginAnswer"?

MkII maybe?

> "Figure 1.1 is typeset this way" should include the page number.

That's more difficult than it seems to be. The manual is available
in different paper sizes and formats. This means the page number
can't be coded as \in{figure}[foo] on \at{page}[foo], since the
figure might end up on the same page. As far as I know ConTeXt does
not have a general mechanism for automatically placing the “on
page…” string if the reference is not on the current page. \atpage
comes close, though.

> Document processing is best done by TeXexec -- is this still true?

Well, your manual is from 2000.

> I thought the "context" program supercedes TeXexec?

yes

> Describe the relationship between TeX and ConTeXt. For example, why do the
> subsequent sections discuss TeX examples?

ConTeXt uses TeX and the following sections introduce some TeX
concepts that hold true for ConTeXt as well.

> Section 1.9.
> 
> Relatively empty page.

On purpose. The reader is invited to take a break and grab a coffee. ;)

> Section 2.2.
> 
> "It is advisable to type the document setups before the \start--command," --
> What start command? \starttext, perhaps?

\starttext, \startdocument, \startcomponent, etc.

Marco


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[NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Errata

2013-09-18 Thread Thangalin
Hi,

During a recent plane ride, I started to read the ConTeXt manual to get a
better understanding: http://www.ctex.org/documents/context/cont-enp.pdf

If anyone has plans to revise it, I have attached a file with corrections,
specific comments, and general comments. I did not have the ConTeXt manual
source code on hand, so I could not directly modify it.

Take the comments with a grain of salt: I have little ConTeXt experience. I
hope it proves useful.

Kindest regards.
ConTeXT Manual Errata & Suggestions
===

Section 1.3.

The word "something" needs to be defined before it is used.
For example, "\setupsomething" <- What does "something" mean?

The \defineenumeration[Question] creates a \Question command,
but \definehead[Procedure][section] does not create \Procedure command?
(Should the capital P not carry forward?)

The \startnarrower requires an explanation on how it affects the
resulting document. Likewise \startitemnize.

What does the "of" in "\beginofAnswer" mean? Is it required? Where
does it come from? Why is it not simply "\beginAnswer"?

"Figure 1.1 is typeset this way" should include the page number.

"The last example" -- does this refer to the previous example, or the
final example?

"The command \setupfootertexts, which we will discuss in detail in a later
chapter, has three arguments of which the first is optional. The first
argument defaults to [text]. Optional arguments are displayed as slanted
text." Can be: "The command \setupfootertexts, discussed in detail
chapter X, has three arguments. The first argument is optional as denoted
by slanted text, and has a default value of text."

"ConTeXt is able to keep track of the status of information on the
page, ..." is tersely written, "ConTeXt tracks status information per page,
such as the current chapter name."

Provide an immediate example of  arrow marks in a frame.

Section 1.4.

"TeX does a lot" is "TeX performs many".

Document processing is best done by TeXexec -- is this still true? I thought
the "context" program supercedes TeXexec?

Describe the relationship between TeX and ConTeXt. For example, why do the
subsequent sections discuss TeX examples?

Section 1.5.

TeX uses ASCII, but ConTeXt can use UTF-8. Is the information about ASCII a
bit misleading?

"ConTeXt fully supports PDFTeX, which means that you can generate PDF output
directly" can be written, "ConTeXt can produce PDF documents, because it fully
supports PDFTeX."

Section 1.6.1.
--
Still relevant with UTF-8?

Section 1.6.2.
--
Does \par hold true for ConTeXt? How would you use it? Show an example.

Section 1.6.3.
--
Avoid demonstrations that significantly reduce legibility.

Section 1.6.3.
--
"TeX is one of the few typesetting systems that does math typesetting right."
Can be: "TeX typesets mathmatical expressions correctly and beautifully."

"It does not hurt to know a bit about the basics of TeX, because that way one
can far more easilly write his or her own alternatives to, for instance,
chapter headers." Can be: "Knowing TeX basics allows developers and authors
to provide alternatives to default commands, such as chapter headers."

Section 1.6.4.
--
"Complete fontfamilies are" should be "Complete fontfamilies include".

Section 1.6.5.
--
"Characters have dimensions. Spacing between words and lines have dimensions.
These dimensions are related to one of the units of table 1.1. For example
the linespacing in this document is 14.83998pt." Can be: "Characters, spacing
between words (known as kerning), and spacing between lines have dimensions.
The line spacing in this document, for example, is 14.83998pt. Table 1.1
lists how dimensions relate."

Table 1.1 should split the "equivalent" column into two columns: "base" and
"equivalent", or be renamed to "equivalency". The millimeter might not be
necessary information (it is metric).

"Next to the mentioned dimension TeX also uses em and ex. Both are font
dependant." Better as: "In addition to the measures in Table 1.1, TeX uses
the font-dependent units of em and ex." (Note spelling mistake: dependant.)

Section 1.9.

Relatively empty page.

Unknown list of commands -- why are they there? What do they do? Should
they be moved elsewhere?

Section 2.2.

"It is advisable to type the document setups before the \start--command," --
What start command? \starttext, perhaps?

Section 2.3.

The \environment command should be introduced before it is used.

The bullet list should start with the word and then define it. For example,
"A *project* is a group of texts that belong together..."

The term "component" should be italicized like the other defined terms.

"Before a \start--\stop--pair commands can be added." Can be: "Commands
can be defined before a \start command."

The resolution process of searching for files in parent directories
is not clear. Use the 

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual

2008-06-18 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2008-06-18 um 16:36 schrieb TeXWorld:

> Where can I find the lastest version of ConTeXt the manual.
> Mine is november 12, 2001
> Maybe there are better manuals today. Can you tell me please where I  
> can
> find them.


Hello Nobody,
this is a FAQ: No, there's no newer manual. What you got is still  
valid. If you reckognize errors, post about them.

Additional information is in additional manuals or in the Wiki.


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt manual

2008-06-18 Thread TeXWorld
Hello,

Where can I find the lastest version of ConTeXt the manual.
Mine is november 12, 2001
Maybe there are better manuals today. Can you tell me please where I can 
find them.


Thank you.


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Alan Stone
>hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...

Good for HP, Epson, ..., cartridge manufacturers and resellers.

Not for our wallets.

Besides this detail... very well written manual though!  ;O)

Best,
Alan

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> Alan Stone wrote:
> > Ok thanks Wolfgang.
> >
> > One request though to the person/people who makes the manual(s)...
> >
> > Could you please refrain from using any background color on some pages of
> > the print version because it unnecessarily pumps precious ink/toner from
> the
> > cartridge.
> >
> > Would be *much* appreciated.
>
> hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...
>
> Hans
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread David C. Walden
At 07:23 AM 6/11/2008, Hans wrote:
>hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...

And it is useful for people who view the pages on the screen
or want to print a given page in color.  (When I print a
big manual, I use my laser printer which does not have
color rather than my inkjet printer which does have color.) 


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Stone wrote:
> Ok thanks Wolfgang.
> 
> One request though to the person/people who makes the manual(s)...
> 
> Could you please refrain from using any background color on some pages of
> the print version because it unnecessarily pumps precious ink/toner from the
> cartridge.
> 
> Would be *much* appreciated.

hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Alan Stone
Ok thanks Wolfgang.

One request though to the person/people who makes the manual(s)...

Could you please refrain from using any background color on some pages of
the print version because it unnecessarily pumps precious ink/toner from the
cartridge.

Would be *much* appreciated.

Thanks on beforehand for taking my small rant ;O) into consideration.

All the best,
Alan


On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Wolfgang Schuster <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Alan Stone
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I intend to print the
> > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf
> > manual ( dated 2001.11.12 ).
> >
> > However, before proceeding...
> >
> > Is there's an updated version available ?
>
> No but it should be still valid.
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Alan Stone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I intend to print the
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf
> manual ( dated 2001.11.12 ).
>
> However, before proceeding...
>
> Is there's an updated version available ?

No but it should be still valid.

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-10 Thread Alan Stone
I intend to print the
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf
manual ( dated 2001.11.12 ).

However, before proceeding...

Is there's an updated version available ?

Thanks,
Alan
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Source

2008-04-18 Thread Browder, Tom
Are the sources for the ConTeXt manuals publicly available?

If not, are you willing to show how the beautiful title page, contents,
and section headings are defined for "ConTeXt: the manual"?

Thanks.

-Tom
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Source

2008-04-18 Thread Zhichu Chen
This?
http://context.aanhet.net/svn/

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Browder, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Are the sources for the ConTeXt manuals publicly available?
>
> If not, are you willing to show how the beautiful contents and section
> headings are defined for "ConTeXt: the manual"?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Tom
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt Manual Source

2008-04-18 Thread Browder, Tom
Are the sources for the ConTeXt manuals publicly available?

If not, are you willing to show how the beautiful contents and section
headings are defined for "ConTeXt: the manual"?

Thanks.

-Tom
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